From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #205 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, May 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 205 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: hi y'all [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: hi y'all ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Memorial Day [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Joni moments? ["cassy" ] Joni moments? ["cassy" ] harborfront shows (only sort of JC) [Yael Harlap ] Harbourfront jmdler gathering [mags ] Re: hi y'all [Catherine McKay ] Re: hi y'all [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto [Jerry Notaro ] Re: njc, Wally Lamb [Kammass@aol.com] Re: hi y'all [Catherine McKay ] Re: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: hi y'all/People's Parties (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Harbourfront jmdler gathering [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: How to clean your cat [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: How to clean your cat (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: How to clean your cat ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: How to clean your cat ["Blair Fraipont" ] dido concerts (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: How to clean your cat NJC [Mark Domyancich ] guitar lesson [christopher blake ] Re: guitar lesson sjc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Foni Mitchell photo gallery and jmdl mentions !!! NJC [Fonimitchell@aol.c] Re: Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? [catman ] Re: How to clean your cat [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: How to clean your cat njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: How to clean your catNJC [catman ] 4 May 1970............NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: How to clean your catNJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] A Work in Progress - finished at last ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: 4 May 1970............NJC ["Brett Code" ] RE: A Work in Progress - finished at last ["Brett Code" ] Re: How to clean your catNJC ["hell" ] Re: Harbourfront jmdler gathering [mags ] Re: hi y'all njc [Randy Remote ] Re: hi y'all/People's Parties [Randy Remote ] Re: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) [Randy Remote ] harbourfront njc ["Stephen Epstein" ] Harbourfront NJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:12:18 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: hi y'all The "rose in her teeth" and "lampshade crown" are traditional images of carefree abandon (usually accompanied or induced by drinking quite a bit of booze.) Those images by themselves wouldn't necessarily be specific to "Breakfast at Tiffany's." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:33:12 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: hi y'all > From: Dflahm@aol.com > Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:12:18 EDT > Subject: Re: hi y'all > To: kathrynW@sxhealth.co.nz > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: Dflahm@aol.com > The "rose in her teeth" and "lampshade crown" are traditional images of > carefree abandon (usually accompanied or induced by drinking quite a bit of > booze.) > > Those images by themselves wouldn't necessarily be specific to "Breakfast at > Tiffany's." > > > DAVID LAHM There's a reference to Grace Slick at "this party" somewhere in the song. I don't know which verse it is. I probably would if I read it. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:42:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Memorial Day In a message dated 5/2/01 11:50:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dflahm@aol.com writes: > I am really looking forward to this and I hope there will be some late > additions to the following list of people who've said they're coming: > > The Mixons Ashara > Jimmy Stewart > Emily & Courtney Julius > Alison & Jeff > MG Victor > > Nikki > Heather Debra Shea > Tanya > Roberto Kay Ashley > Sue > Cameron > Willy The Shake > > What about me..... rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:23:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto Hey Catherine. How about a HUGE Jonifest that week, with about 100 house guests? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:30:31 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni reference I just read "She's Come Undone" by Wally Lamb and came across a Joni reference: The main character was asking someone who had just been at Woodstock if she had seen her friends: Naomi laughed. "That was the thing about Woodstock. You didn't think of people as individuals. We were all this....mass entity." "Oh," I said. "Right." She must have seen my disappointment. "I was two people back from Joni Mitchell in the portable toilet line, though," she said. "Joni Mitchell used the public toilets?" "Well, yeah. See the whole point was that we're all one, you know? You and me and Joni and that tall, skinny friend: a bunch of equals sharing the same small planet. It was a rush - very political!" Overall, it was an interesting book, but he obviously didn't check his facts on this one! :>) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:40:39 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni moments? I was recently thinking about the movie "Jerry McGuire," the scene in the elevator with the deaf couple signing and saying "You complete me." Then later in the move this becomes pivotal as Jerry tells his lady-love the same thing... I had never really thought about it in terms of Joni before but it really IS a Joni moment don't you think? Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:40:39 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni moments? I was recently thinking about the movie "Jerry McGuire," the scene in the elevator with the deaf couple signing and saying "You complete me." Then later in the move this becomes pivotal as Jerry tells his lady-love the same thing... I had never really thought about it in terms of Joni before but it really IS a Joni moment don't you think? Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:02:13 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) Hey all- >The full list of pace-setting honourees, each of whom >will be awarded a $25,000 Harbourfront Centre Prize, >includes: Now what I wonder is why the heck are they giving these already very wealthy people $25000 each? If they didn't do that I'm sure tickets could be half the exorbitant price that they are! :-) - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:13:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: hi y'all/People's Parties <> Hi Kathryn, and welcome to the bunch! As a southern boy in the US, it's nice to see someone else using "y'all"! As for People's Parties, it's not old ground here at all. In fact, it seems like no matter how many times we've looked at & examined Joni's songs, a new voice will bring a new perspective, so your thoughts and questions should be greeted with open arms... Like Mike said, Joni sings "Jack behind his joker & stone-cold Grace behind her fan", and it has been suggested that Joni's referring to Jack Nicholson and Grace Slick, but I've never seen that substantiated, even though it makes sense. She does introduce the song in a couple of her 1974 shows by talking about going to a party and being surrounded by superficiality...see-through white wine, see-through glass tables, and see-through people. I think she was just expressing her discomfort with the pretentiousness of it all. Again, welcome, and keep those posts coming! Bob NP(Now Playing): Midnight Oil, "One Country" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 09:39:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Regulation/Deregulation NJC <> Me too, which is why I don't do it! This morning I drove in listening to Bruuuuce's new live one, and it put me in an amazingly great mood. The song was "Out In The Streets", and like so many of the songs the band performs on this set, he has taken what was a simple song and expanded it to a much larger concept... The song in its studio incarnation was a statement from a blue collar guy who worked his day job, but at night could "walk the way I wanna walk" and asked his girlfriend to meet him out on the street and they'd hang out. But live, Bruce first shouts "New York, SIT DOWN" repeatedly, which of course whips them into a frenzy, and then he busts into the song, and significantly gives a line in the chorus to Patti, Nils, & Clarence, each of them singing "Meet me out in the street..." So the song turns into an invitation to the audience, both there in NY and those listening to the CD to join him and the E-Streeters and meet him in the "streets" of this concert event! It's a wonderful moment, and only one of literally dozens on this collection. And anyone who thinks Springsteen's best years are BEHIND him need only to listen to the chilling "American Skin (41 Shots)" & "Land of Hope & Dreams"... Like Joni, Bruce proves that maturing in the rock spotlight is not only possible, but additionally can open up whole new worlds of truth & beauty. Bob NP: Steve Miller, "Going to Mexico" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:43:13 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) my hunch is to entice them to come to the reception!!! Stephen in Vancouver Yael Harlap on 05/03/2001 06:02:13 AM Please respond to Yael Harlap To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) Hey all- >The full list of pace-setting honourees, each of whom >will be awarded a $25,000 Harbourfront Centre Prize, >includes: Now what I wonder is why the heck are they giving these already very wealthy people $25000 each? If they didn't do that I'm sure tickets could be half the exorbitant price that they are! :-) - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:13:31 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: RIP Papa John Phillips (NJC) Remembering this thread from a while back, thought this might be of interest to some on the list: >> Long-lost John Phillips album released A long-lost all-star album by the late John Phillips, formerly with the Mamas & Papas, has just been released. The celebrity album 'Pay Pack & Follow' features Phillips recording with Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Mick Taylor and Ron Wood of the Rolling Stones and is produced by Jagger and Richards. They started recording it in 1973 and was completed over a period of six years, but the tapes disappeared during Phillips' "lost" period when he struggled with drink and drug problems. At one point they were discovered in the cargo hold of the QE2 and they later turned up beneath a pile of rubbish in Keith Richards' shed. "From that moment on I slept with them under my bed," said Phillips, working on the album shortly before his death from heart failure at 65 last month. Completed by original sound engineer Harvey Goldberg, the album has been released by Eagle. The previously unheard tracks - all Phillips originals - include Mr Blue, She's Just 14, Pussycat, Zulu Warrior, Oh Virginia and 2001 and are a total departure from his work with Mamas & Papas. >>>>> PaulC (wondering what other goodies are in Keith's shed!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:17:42 -0500 From: mags Subject: Harbourfront jmdler gathering With this very exciting news of the possibility of her Joni-ness here, if there is going to be a contigent of Jmdlers coming to Toronto to see her, of course you realize this means the potential for another Fest or gathering or something. I know there are a few of us in the area already. (thinking out loud: my sister lives right downtown at Harbourfront ... hmmmmm. ) let the ideas fly.... Mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hi y'all - --- Kathryn Waters wrote: > Hello from a new member way down under in NZ. > I'm fairly new to Joni's music but I love it, it's > so complex and beatiful. > Welcome, Kathryn - you're not the only Kiwi on the list! Catherine (with a C), in Toronto, Canada. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:53:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hi y'all - --- hell wrote: > Welcome to the best > discussion list on the planet. You'll love it here > (and hate it because > it's addictive, I tried to leave but was back in a > week or so!), but you > won't find a nicer bunch of people. > Hell, I'm glad you said that. Now I know I'm not alone (I've tried to leave too! She says she's leaving, but she don't go!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto - --- "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" wrote: > Hey Catherine. How about a HUGE Jonifest that week, > with about 100 house > guests? > > Jerry Are you talking to me? AAAcckkk! Let's see - I've got a kind of cruddy basement; I have a backyard which could possibly accomodate a few TENTS for those of you (not me!) who enjoy that kind of thing. I'm the kind of person who practically goes into shock just *thinking* about having a few people over to dinner - you'd have to have paramedics on standby for the mere thought of 100 houseguests (I'm sure the neighbours would love it, ha ha.) I don't know about you, but I'd kind of like to understand a bit more about just what exactly these people are going to do. Is Joni going to talk, or sing? or is it going to be a bunch of boring celebrities yakking about her and showing videos and stuff? I don't know about forking about $175 if I don't even get near Joni (and if I did, I'd probably faint anyway!) For $175, I'd like to sit on her lap or something... Hmm, Jerry, I'll think it over and get back to you ... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:07:33 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto Catherine McKay wrote: > --- For $175, I'd like to sit on her lap or something... > > Hmm, Jerry, I'll think it over and get back to you ... I really was just kidding. But Toronto is a beautiful city with lots to do so maybe between you and Mags a minifest of sorts could be planned. Who knows, maybe a private concert for JMDL members by Joni. Well, as long as she's there......... Hopeful Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni reference - --- kerry wrote: > I just read "She's Come Undone" by Wally Lamb and > came across a Joni > reference: > > The main character was asking someone who had just > been at Woodstock if she > had seen her friends: > > Naomi laughed. "That was the thing about > Woodstock. You didn't think > of people as individuals. We were all this....mass > entity." > "Oh," I said. "Right." > She must have seen my disappointment. "I was > two people back from Joni > Mitchell in the portable toilet line, though," she > said. > "Joni Mitchell used the public toilets?" > "Well, yeah. See the whole point was that > we're all one, you know? > You and me and Joni and that tall, skinny friend: a > bunch of equals sharing > the same small planet. It was a rush - very > political!" > > > Overall, it was an interesting book, but he > obviously didn't check his facts > on this one! :>) > I read that - good book. His other one about the twin brothers is very good too. I suspect Lamb was being kind of tongue-in-cheek about that - putting those words in the character's mouth, to show you the character was pretty much full of s**t. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:10:43 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Wally Lamb Hi, I read that book and liked it a lot. I thought it was cool that a man could write through a women's perspective like he did. That Oprah, boy can see pick books, huh. I have another of his books, I Know This Much is True, waiting on the nightstand. I'm reading Mary Higgins Clark's new one right now, and then, that one is next. Kammy in Alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hi y'all - --- Mike Hicks wrote: > > From: Dflahm@aol.com > > Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:12:18 EDT > > Subject: Re: hi y'all > > To: kathrynW@sxhealth.co.nz > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > Reply-to: Dflahm@aol.com > > > The "rose in her teeth" and "lampshade crown" are > traditional images of > > carefree abandon (usually accompanied or induced > by drinking quite a bit of > > booze.) > > > > Those images by themselves wouldn't necessarily be > specific to "Breakfast at > > Tiffany's." > > > > > > DAVID > LAHM > > There's a reference to Grace Slick at "this party" > somewhere in the > song. I don't know which verse it is. I probably > would if I read > it. > ... and Jack behind his joker And stone-cold Grace behind her fan And me in my frightened silence Thinking, "I don't understand." Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) - --- Yael Harlap wrote: > Now what I wonder is why the heck are they giving > these already very > wealthy people $25000 each? If they didn't do that > I'm sure tickets could > be half the exorbitant price that they are! :-) > I wonder myself. Like they really need the money! $25k is a fair chunk to a working person like me, but it's not much to most celebrities. Is it meant to be a grant? Are they supposed to use it for a specific purpose (there's usually some kind of catch to this, isnt' there?) Let's see; Joni could use it to buy art supplies to paint pictures which Peter Gabriel could buy; Issey Miyake could use it to buy lovely materials for new gowns, which Joni could buy; Peter Gabriel would use it for... what, exactly? And so on... I suppose I'm being cynical, but don't you wonder why they chose these particular people? i'm not even going to argue who's a genius and who's not; to me that's not the issue. But I wonder what their criteria were in determining who'd be honoured? As a Canadian, I can safely say that it would be *very* Canadian to honour other Canadians - but that's not the case here - the honorees are a pretty international bunch. I wonder if Harbourfront (which gets gov't grants) is worried about running out of $ and thought this one up to make some more cash (spend a whole bunch, but earn back even more - in theory?) I dunno - I find it kind of weird, to tell the truth. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > I really was just kidding. But Toronto is a > beautiful city with lots to > do so maybe between you and Mags a minifest of sorts > could be planned. Well, of course you know, only the tourists get to DO those things! > Who knows, maybe a private concert for JMDL members > by Joni. Well, as > long as she's there......... It's the least she could do! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:46:58 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: hi y'all/People's Parties (md) I dont think the "Grace" in the song Peoples Parties is Grace Slick. I think it more likely that it would be Grace Jones the very tall black singer who was a model who did some albums about the time Joni penned the song and hung out in New York and Hollywood. Just my speculation. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:59:33 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? I think an importnat difference for me is that Joni employs melody alot more than Dylan. For instance there is the classic story when Joni and Bob had both just completed their new albums in a 3-4 month period. (Bob's "Planet Waves" and Joni's "Court and SPark") Well, in Joni's Opinion Bob's album was good, but not as good as everyone had thought it was. (people remarked that it was a 'return to form' etc etc). Everyone was in the studio, at this one moment, (including bob) and they were listening to Court and Spark as it had just been finished. Joni told us how the men in the control booth just feel asleep before the album was over, (including bob). People sometimes look at Dylan as this really masculine hero and some Dylan fans have dismissed Joni as "not-as-worhty" because she lacked the rawness and energy that Dylan had. but, what they don't realize that JOni's Melodys in combination with her wonderful lyrical sensibilty and truthfullness are RAW and ENErgetic, but not in Dylan's sense, they are Emotionally RAW and ENERGETIC, for many on the list would agree that they get some charge of spirit or mind when deluged with her music. That is my skewed opininon. I know I don't have the clearest thinking on this list and tend to ramble, But i hope some people understand what I am trying to say. Much love blair NP: Dillinger, "Jah Love" >From: "Steve Harper" >Reply-To: "Steve Harper" >To: joni@smoe.org, kenevans@umich.edu >Subject: Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? >Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:04:28 > >Hello, all! (I will here take up my boyfriend's challenge.) > >Ken and I are in the midst of listening to all of Bob Dylan's >released works(!) including some bootleg material (we are up to Nashville >Skyline.) > >(Major caveats: I am neither an expert on Dylan nor psychology, >and since many of you out there are, indulge me, please!) > >I mused recently with Ken on the subject of Bob and Joni being two sides of >the masculine/feminine coin: Bob--animus, Joni--anima. >Predominantly, anyway, and, I think, significantly from an artistic >viewpoint. > >His Bobness, as Ken likes to call him, often focuses on details >and references that can be quite obscure and open-ended. He will >weave an evocative story from which one can feel an importance to what he >is >communicating, even if the text cannot be completely explicated >easily. You know, "something is happening but you don't know what it is, >do >you, Mr. Jones?" > >While it would be an easy statement to declare Joni's lyrics >more accessible, they are often similarly inscrutable, except that >their focus is more on describing the emotions of situations, rather than >the events. Joni seems to me more emotionally direct, and I personally >connect more closely with her "versions" of things, if you will, though I >very much appreciate Dylan. > >It is as if Bob wants to bring attention to the world and say "pay >attention, here's something you may have missed," and Joni says, more >cosmically, to me, "oh, you remember THIS, don't you?" > >So, what different stimulation do we get from the very different songs of >these two artists? When I listen to Bob, I tend to feel he >is attempting to communicate how things ARE. When I listen to Joni, I feel >her attempt to communicate how things FEEL. I respond more strongly and >more consistently to Joni's way of communicating, and I'll leave it to Ken >to share more of his thoughts. Though with any particular lyric we might >say that here Joni is writing cerebral and there Bob is waxing poetic, I >get >an overall feel from them along these lines. (And of course it has >something to do with their styles of music and the sounds of their voices, >but I think their differences run deeper.) > >Men and women both find in their personalities pieces >of the other's perspective. We need both halves to be whole. >But does my personal identification with Joni's "take" on things >make me more feminine; does it indicate that my psyche is more rooted in >the >feminine perspective, though I am male? > >For all of us men on the JMDL--self-identified fans, gay and >straight--does our interest and appreciation of Joni suggest we are more >(dreaded cliche) "in touch with our feminine sides" than others? > >Doesn't it make sense that the music that we "get," that we >intrinsically understand somehow, should indicate something about us? (Well >beyond gender stereotypes, of course.) > >Some beginning thoughts on the subject. > >Steve in Atlanta >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hi y'all/People's Parties (md) - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > I dont think the "Grace" in the song Peoples Parties > is Grace Slick. I think it more likely that it would > be Grace Jones the very tall black singer who was a > model who did some albums about the time Joni penned > the song and hung out in New York and Hollywood. > Just my speculation. marcel deste Grace Jones makes more sense to me than Grace Slick. I can't imagine Slick as "stone cold" (stoned, maybe) or hiding behind a fan. But Grace Jones is very stately looking and could come across as cold; and the fan thing - sounds like something a fashion model might do. On the other hand, maybe it's some Grace none of us know. Or maybe it's just a made-up name for some other person. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:20:30 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: How to clean your cat Thoroughly clean the toilet. Add the required amount of shampoo to the toilet water and have both lids lifted. Obtain the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom. In one smooth movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids (you may need to stand on the lid so that he cannot escape). CAUTION: Do not get any part of your body too close to the edge, as his paws will be reaching out for anything they can find. The cat will self-agitate and make ample suds. Never mind the noises that come from your toilet. The cat is actually enjoying this. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a "power wash" and "rinse" which I have found to be quite effective. Have someone open the door to the outside and ensure that there are no people between the toilet and the outside door. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids. The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will dry himself. Sincerely, The Dog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:37:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: hi y'all/People's Parties (md) <> That would get my vote...Amazing grace, maybe? ;~) Bob NP: Keb Mo, "Don't Try to Explain" (Can't wait to hear his BYT!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:38:22 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Looking to Sublet in New York City NJC Hi there everyone, I may be moving to New York City temporarily from late August to May of 2002 for a possible Theatre Internship. I do not know whether I have recieved it yet, but I thought it wouldnt hurt to look ahead of time. If anyone knows of anyone who wouldnt mind subletting to a theatre student for that time period, whether they live in Manhattan, Queens, Jersey City, Brooklyn or Even near Columbia University, could you give them my name email, and info Blair M. Fraipont Jahwaka80@hotmail.com Thanks for your time. NP: Dillinger, "funky Punk" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:41:46 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Harbourfront jmdler gathering Mags, Count me in! How could I pass up a chance to visit one of my favorite cities, meet with a bunch of JMDL'ers (I hope Brian can make it as well), and see Joni all at the same time? We have to make this happen! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:41:43 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: How to clean your cat NJC What A great IDEA!! I have never thought of that one before. How Cruel and unique. Gosh all those years of bathing the cat in the tub. Too bad I don't have a cat anymore. She was a good compainion, was 15 when she passed. We used to dress her up sometimes as an angel, devil, spacecat, jogger, or professor. Blair le Frair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:16:05 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: CM / NJC Hello everybody I am back with a new address. Office.com shut off free email and I lost over 150 of the very best posts from the JMDLers O my goodness The Dutchman sung by Steve Goodman came on the radio and It brought back memories Of Chuck Mitchell playing his 12 string Guitar at the Phoneix in Motown and the Margeret I knew back then, now I have got to blow my nose and wipe my eyes. Brian Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:18:31 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Harbourfront jmdler gathering I'm thinking on it. It's only 476.7 miles from where I live in NJ. Hell, if I can do North Carolina in a single day, I can do this. Alison, how about another road trip? ;~) rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:47:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: How to clean your cat At best this is inappropriate material for this list. At the very least it shoudl have been labeled NJC. May I suggest that an inappropriate posting such as this result in the voluntary suspension of posting privileges to the list for one week. Paul I In a message dated 5/3/01 2:25:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will dry himself. Sincerely, The Dog >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:17:14 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: How to clean your cat (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Re: How to clean your cat > At best this is inappropriate material for this list. At the very least it > shoudl have been labeled NJC. > May I suggest that an inappropriate posting such as this result in the > voluntary suspension of posting privileges to the list for one week. > Paul I Yes you may. But, this objection was inappropriate and therefore you must suspend your posting privileges for one week. See you in a week! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:54:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: How to clean your cat marcel, three words: label label label! you see, even paul iv [i've always wondered if iv is some reference to paul's intravenous effects on people] is on your case. fondly, wallyK, a pet lover that can take a joke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:59:49 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: How to clean your cat Oh come now. This isnt the Elementary school where Johnny can't play on the swings for a week cause he pulled Suzie's hair. I am sure we are all mature people here. Stress on the mature. blair NP: "For Duane" Frank Zappa >At best this is inappropriate material for this list. At the very least it >shoudl have been labeled NJC. May I suggest that an inappropriate posting >such as this result in the voluntary suspension of posting privileges to >the list for one week. Paul I _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:59:55 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: How to clean your cat Oh come now. This isnt the Elementary school where Johnny can't play on the swings for a week cause he pulled Suzie's hair. I am sure we are all mature people here. Stress on the mature. blair NP: "For Duane" Frank Zappa >At best this is inappropriate material for this list. At the very least it >shoudl have been labeled NJC. May I suggest that an inappropriate posting >such as this result in the voluntary suspension of posting privileges to >the list for one week. Paul I _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:28:25 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: dido concerts (njc) for those interested in dido concerts: June 10 Vancouver, Canada General Motors Place June 11 Seattle, WA Key Arena June 13 San Francisco, CA Shoreline Amphitheater June 16 Irvine, CA Verizon Wireless Amphitheater June 17 San Diego, CA Coors Amphitheater June 18 Las Vegas, NV Hard Rock Hotel & Casino June 20 Atlanta, GA Lakewood Amphitheater June 22 Columbia, MD Merriweather Post Pavilion June 24 Boston, MA Tweeter Center June 27 Wantagh, NY Jones Beach Amphitheater June 29 Camden, NJ Sony E Center July 1 Hartford, CT Meadows Music Theatre July 2 Buffalo, NY Darien Lake Performing Arts Center July 4 Toronto, Canada Molson Amphitheater July 5 Detroit, MI Pine Knob - DTE Music Theatre July 6 Chicago, IL New World Music Theatre July 8 Minneapolis, MN XCEL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:41:51 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: How to clean your cat NJC Nevertheless, it was an NJC post that needed the tag in the subject line. Mark NP-Tim Reynolds, You Are My Sanity > From: "Blair Fraipont" > Reply-To: "Blair Fraipont" > Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:59:55 -0400 > To: IVPAUL42@aol.com, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: How to clean your cat > > Oh come now. This isnt the Elementary school where Johnny can't play > on the swings for a week cause he pulled Suzie's hair. I am sure we are all > mature people here. Stress on the mature. > blair > NP: "For Duane" Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: guitar lesson hi rosalita! congrats on the guitar lesson. since bob has already nominated you do "pat's solo", may i have the honor of doing a tune with leading into same? rock on! have an awesome day - christopher Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:54:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar lesson sjc In a message dated 5/3/01 6:23:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nymets69_2001@yahoo.com writes: > since bob has already > nominated you do "pat's solo", may i have the honor of > doing a tune with leading into same? rock on! > Thanks for the vote of confidence Chris. I'll give you the honors. It may not be until after October till I'm even up to speed on playing anything Joni. I'd be surprised though. Ouch my aching fingers, Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:15:23 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell photo gallery and jmdl mentions !!! NJC Hello again. Our new site (because AOL let us down big time)now contains lots of pictures in the gallery. Have a look at Jo live at Folk Plus and let us know if she reminds you of anyone! Also - check out the credits - you are all there !!! The address is: http:/website.lineone.net/~fonimitchell Best wishes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 01:55:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? Blair Fraipont wrote: > I think an importnat difference for me is that Joni employs > melody alot more than Dylan. The important difference for me is that joni at least sounds like she can sing! Sorry all you Bob fans, I think he sounds atrocious. Best let others sing his stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:56:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: How to clean your cat In a message dated 5/3/01 5:00:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donjuansrd80@hotmail.com writes: << Oh come now. This isnt the Elementary school where Johnny can't play on the swings for a week cause he pulled Suzie's hair. I am sure we are all mature people here. Stress on the mature. blair >> a mature person would not have posted that crap. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:07:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: How to clean your cat njc oo la la!!!! i forgot to label too!!!! suspended ad eternum???????? wallyK, so absent-minded ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 02:21:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: How to clean your catNJC Here wo go again! Paul if you are going to castigate people for not labelling NJC at least make sure you use it yourself. Not disagrreing that it should have been labelled NJC. Just don't like hypocrisy. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/3/01 5:00:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > donjuansrd80@hotmail.com writes: > > << Oh come now. This isnt the Elementary school where Johnny can't play > on the swings for a week cause he pulled Suzie's hair. I am sure we are all > mature people here. Stress on the mature. > blair >> > > a mature person would not have posted that crap. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:20:12 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: 4 May 1970............NJC Again I post my annual reminder that tomorrow, May 4th, is the anniversary, now it has been 31 years, of the murders at Kent State University of Jeffrey Glenn Miller, Allison Krause, Sandra Scheuer, and William Schroeder. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:21:07 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: How to clean your catNJC In a message dated 5/3/01 9:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << Here wo go again! Paul if you are going to castigate people for not labelling NJC at least make sure you use it yourself. Not disagrreing that it should have been labelled NJC. Just don't like hypocrisy. >> Sorry, but that doesn't make sense because if Marcel is a joni-only subscriber, he would not have received my reply. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:31:00 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: A Work in Progress - finished at last At the risk of being accused of blowing my own horn and just in case anyone might be interested, Les has kindly put the article I wrote about Joni for the fanzine that never materialized into the JMDL article database. I expanded it a bit from it's original form (those of you who read the original are all rolling your eyes in disbelief as you read this, I'm sure.) It doesn't contain anything earth-shattering or amazingly original but it does discuss all of Joni's records in chronological order and attempts to show how she evolved artistically from STAS up through BSN. Since I'm not a musician, I couldn't be too precise or technical. But I've always wanted to write something like this and I put my heart & head into it and thanks to Les it isn't going to just take up space on our hard drive (sit in a loft up in some room somewhere?) It's mostly just my thoughts about each album and how each one built on what had come before it. I also made some attempt to fit the records into Joni's personal life where it seemed appropriate to do so. The piece is called 'Joni Mitchell: A Work in Progress (a fan's perspective)' (Sheesh, can't he even be brief with the title, fercrissake?!) Thanks again, Les, for doing me the honor! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:44:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Foni Mitchell photo gallery and jmdl mentions !!! NJC << Our new site (because AOL let us down big time)now contains lots of pictures in the gallery. >> Thanks, Clive, looks great! Of course I HAD to look at the Jo pics first but I was quite impressed with your arsenal of stringed instruments! All the best with the gigs! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:51:51 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: How to clean your catNJC Can we spin this out any more and annoy any additional people that have been missed? Point has been made and agreed with. Now: ENOUGH! SHUT THE WHATEVER UP! Marcel's post was funny and didn't contain NJC which it should of and now ENOUGH!!!!!! Moments like this I want to play Survivor with you all and vote a bunch of folks off! (The Rev) Vince who loves everyone but has had it with snippy never shut up and leave it alone posts from people who need to get a bit more of a life, please! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:11:56 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: 4 May 1970............NJC Thanks, Vince, I was 10 when the Kent State murders happened. It was a turning point for me, as it was the first time I was aware of state action and its potential to do real harm. Suddenly, soldiers and guns weren't toys anymore. As I grew older, I learned more and, while it is not the most significant date in my life, it is the one day upon which I burn a candle. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:15:00 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: A Work in Progress - finished at last Mark, This is such a cool thing. I'm dying to read it. Just the idea alone is wonderful. Thanks for doing it, for putting yourself out there as a writer about Joni. I'll bet you get more than one compliment. Brett - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:21:09 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: How to clean your catNJC (The Rev) Vince wrote: > Moments like this I want to play Survivor with you all and vote a bunch > of folks off! > > > (The Rev) Vince who loves everyone but has had it with snippy never shut > up and leave it alone posts from people who need to get a bit more of a > life, please! And just to really annoy everyone even further - me too! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:25:21 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: Harbourfront jmdler gathering Count on it Jack...and yes you can count on seeing Brian here for the festivities too :-))))) come on up any old time Jack...we'd love to see you. mags & bri npimh: Map of the World ... Pat Metheny.... listened to it on the way home...tks Bri ;)) Merk54@aol.com wrote: > Mags, > > Count me in! How could I pass up a chance to visit one of my favorite cities, meet with a bunch of JMDL'ers (I hope Brian can make it as well), and see Joni all at the same time? > > We have to make this happen! > > Jack - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:44:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: hi y'all njc Hi Kathryn & welcome to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:46:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: hi y'all/People's Parties SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > As for People's Parties, it has been suggested that Joni's referring to Jack Nicholson and Grace Slick, but I've never seen that substantiated, even though it makes sense. I had always imagined that "Jack" was Jack Cassidy, bassist for Jefferson Airplane. But what the hell do I know. Grace Jones-was she even around in '74? RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:45:57 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: harborfront shows (only sort of JC) I would wager that the honorees will donate the money to their favorite cause. "get into ecology or find yourself a charity" RR Yael Harlap wrote: > Hey all- > > >The full list of pace-setting honourees, each of whom > >will be awarded a $25,000 Harbourfront Centre Prize, > >includes: > > Now what I wonder is why the heck are they giving these already very > wealthy people $25000 each? If they didn't do that I'm sure tickets could > be half the exorbitant price that they are! :-) > > -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:07:48 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: The top 10 Joni songs... ...as voted on by those who have registered at the JMDL website: 1 - A Case Of You (50 votes) 2 - Amelia (49) 3 - Hejira (46) 4 - Song For Sharon (45) 5 - The Last Time I Saw Richard (41) 6 - Edith And The Kingpin 40) 7 - Woman Of Heart And Mind (39) 8 - River (39) 9 - People's Parties (39) 10- Refuge Of The Roads (38) Have you voted yet? http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/songpoll.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:17:18 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: harbourfront njc Mags wrote: " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:38:22 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Harbourfront NJC Sorry all for the last post/mistake- having computer problems and can't seem to cut and paste- thanks Wally!!! Mags mentioned in her recent post that she was NP Pat Metheny- A Map of the World- a great movie and soundtrack. Urge you all to rent it and listen to PM. Made me think that Pat has done other soundtracks, most noteably, Falcon and the Snowman- years ago- w/Sean Penn and Timothy Hutton. It was directed by Joe Schlessinger- a lovely movie, and fantastic soundtrack- Bob- help me out here- doesn't David Bowie do a song w/Pat on this one? Stephen in Vancouver NP: David Gray- White Ladder ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #205 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?