From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #203 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 203 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC email troubles ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: HB (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Jazz Fest First Weekend Report (NJC) LONG ["Kakki" ] "It's Official" Joni is among the artists to be honored [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Jonifest Update: THE LIST!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #138 ["shane mattison" ] Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? ["Steve Harper" ] Regulation/Deregulation [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: john gorka etc. njc [Alison E ] Re: Mid-West Joni-Fest NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni at Harbourfront Toronto ["cassy" ] Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto [Heather ] Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto ["cassy" ] Brilliant lyric [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Cat question - absolutely NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: cat question njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: "It's Official" Joni is among the artists to be honored [Catherine Mc] Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Brilliant lyric ["gene mock" ] Memorial Day [Dflahm@aol.com] RE: Memorial Day ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Ever wonder why you never hear Joni on the radio? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Ever wonder why you never hear Joni on the radio? [Relayer211@aol.com] hi y'all [Kathryn Waters ] Re: hi y'all ["hell" ] Re: Regulation/Deregulation ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 01:07:53 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: NJC email troubles Hey y'all, First up, Happy birthday to the lovely and wonderful Mark from Seattle. The equally lovely and wonderful WallyK managed to catch him while he was changing. [Dude, where are my briefs??] Hee hee. Some of you may have tried to email me during the last couple of weeks: please try again at this address: roberto1011@hotmail.com The @home configuration has been wonderful for net surfing, but less than satisfactory for email. Love to all, Roberto _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:19:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: HB (njc) Happy Birthday to Mark - handsome, articulate, insightful and a JMDL treasure! Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:24:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jazz Fest First Weekend Report (NJC) LONG Paz, What a great report - please keep them coming if you are still standing the next time you check in! Arrr, I wish I could be there. I was so excited to hear about Pazfest knockouts Danzig, Wooley, Mache, Prevost and Solley playing the Jazz Fest and would have loved to have seen them again. Have a great time with Julius, May, Diane and the other JMDLers and please send a few photos when you can! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 06:49:26 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: "The 25th hour"-mystery novel In a message dated 5/2/01 1:42:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << relayer, is that a very very very old one? >> No, it was published this year. It's the author's first novel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:15:47 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Joni on Behind the Music today @ 1:00 eastern time Network: (VH1) Video Hits One Date: Wednesday - May 02, 2001 Time: 01:00 pm - 02:00 pm ET Featured Artists Judy Collins, Isaac Hayes, Paul Krassner, Paul McCartney, Joni Mitchell, Bernie Taupin, James Taylor (Popular) About: (#107) 1970 "1970: Behind the Music" traces the musical and social currents of a year which has come to represent a fascinating watershed in American life, one reflected by concurrent shifts of politics and popular culture, and one in which a climate of militant confrontation and violence ultimately gives way to quieter, soul-fulfilling journeys. Interviews include Joni Mitchell, Paul McCartney, Bernie Taupin, James Taylor, Isaac Hayes, Judy Collins, Tom Hayden, Paul Krassner, Bobby Seale, G. Gordon Liddy, Erica Jong and Robert Altman. Enjoy! Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:11:52 -0500 (CDT) From: scam1@freeway.net Subject: Re: Joni on Behind the Music today @ 1:00 eastern time [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] Wish I had the video going, but I had to be at school early! Maybe some other kind soul..... 24 days and counting until JoniFest NYC!!!! Sue Cameron NP: sound of elementary kids in the halls ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:12:17 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: newbie guitarist OK, OK. So I exaggerated just a bit. But not that much!!! LOL lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:39:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: "It's Official" Joni is among the artists to be honored OK guys, I've been waiting for Jim to give you all the "official" update on this event. It is now up on the Joni Mitchell.com site with a link to the Harbourfront's website. That's where I found the link to that kewl music video btw. Joni's hommage is scheduled for October 19th. As Michael would say.....I wanna gozzzzzz rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:59:45 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Update: THE LIST!!! Hi everyone! An update for the New England Labor Day Jonifest 2001: A list of who is going: (If you are not in the right category, or are missing from this list, please let me know and I will update your status.) **I will be there!!!!!!!!** Megan from NY Pearl and Steve from FL Victor and Holly from GA MG from CA Rose from NJ Maggie from MA Nikki from PA Paz from LA Kakki from CA Roberto from Canada Steve Polifka from WI Lama from ? Wally K. from Argentina Bob Murphy from RI Chris Marshall from England Bob Muller from SC Chuck E. from MA Anne Sandstrom from MA Patrick from NYC Jody from IL Alison E. from NYC Les from CO Julius from CA Stephen from Vancouver Chris from CT Mags from Canada Brian from NJ Marcel and So from CA Jimmy from FL Loren from MD Marcel and Soizic from CA Lori from DC Jeff from NYC Laura from IL Barbara and Steve from CA Yael from ? Hell from New Zealand Kerry from WI Garett from Ireland Russ from CA Brett from Vancouver Claud from PA John van Tiel from Holland Mark Jones from England **Maybes** Azeem from England Les Ross from England Janine from PA Kammy from Alabammy Debra from NYC Kate and Jeff from CA Terry from MI Leslie and Steve from CA Heather from CT **Not coming as of yet** The rest of you!! WHY NOT??????? You don't want to be left out of this "happening", believe me!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:43:32 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #138 that was valuable information, don, and its a gross and sickening situation...canada has more regulation, including 'canadian content' law...how long that will last is dubious, but for the moment, canadians long established as well as newcomers like jan arden get more airplay...our cbc is powerful...and in alberta, an independent station of university origin, CKUA has diverse and powerful multi-signalling, gathering a large audience...its somewhat like PBS...maybe more PBS like radio stations are an answer to this payola pork-barelling... ciao, shane - ----- Original Message ----- From: "onlyJMDL Digest" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #138 > onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 138 > > > > The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > > Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: > http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > newbie guitarist [Anne Sandstrom ] > Re: Music lessons SJC [Don Rowe ] > Re: newbie guitarist [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Re: Music lessons SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Ever wonder why you never hear Joni on the radio? [Don Rowe joni pics [Alison E ] > "In this age of stentorian amplification..." ["Steve Harper" Re: "In this age of stentorian amplification..." [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Siquomb/HisBobness, Anima/Animus [w evans ] > Re: joni pics [Randy Remote ] > Joni Music Video [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Another Joni Sims Object [slarty ] > Re: newbie guitarist [Michael Paz ] > Re: the album form [Michael Paz ] > "The 25th hour"-mystery novel [Relayer211@aol.com] > Re: newbie guitarist [RoseMJoy@aol.com] > Re: Joni Music Video ["Mark or Travis" ] > "The Sound of Trees"(Poem) [Relayer211@aol.com] > Re: "The Sound of Trees"(Poem) [Relayer211@aol.com] > Re: Joni Music Video ["hell" ] > RE: "The 25th hour"-mystery novel ["Wally Kairuz" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:41:34 -0400 > From: Anne Sandstrom > Subject: newbie guitarist > > Hi Rose. > > Wow! That's GREAT!!! I'm so happy for you. Welcome to the wonderful world of > wood and strings! > > Based on my own experience, I'd say to just remember that the first time you > play actual Joni notes (my gawd, it sounds just like the recording!!!) > you'll experience incredible ecstasy. Better than (you name it - chocolate, > sex, etc...) > > lots of love > Anne > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 06:53:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Don Rowe > Subject: Re: Music lessons SJC > > - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > I had my first official guitar lesson today! > > Lucky you! You'll soon find that, although music is > the greatest spectator sport ever invented, it's > infinitely more satisfying to be a "play-ah"! ;-) > > Don Rowe > > ===== > Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:01:22 EDT > From: RoseMJoy@aol.com > Subject: Re: newbie guitarist > > In a message dated 5/1/01 9:55:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > asandstrom@macromedia.com writes: > > > > Based on my own experience, I'd say to just remember that the first time you > > play actual Joni notes (my gawd, it sounds just like the recording!!!) > > you'll experience incredible ecstasy. Better than (you name it - chocolate, > > sex, etc...) > > > > Oh, I believe it! Thanks Anne. > > rosemjoy@aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:38:22 EDT > From: RoseMJoy@aol.com > Subject: Re: Music lessons SJC > > In a message dated 5/1/01 10:07:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Merk54 writes: > > > > It sounds like your teacher is keeper! > > > > > > Thanks for the encouragement Jack, I think I'll keep him for a while. Oh > gosh, but my fingers are too short. Yeah I know....Practice, Practice, > Practice. Now if I can just get over the silliness I feel of walking into > this music school with all these little kids sitting around. > You should try taking some lessons Jack, what harm could it do? > > - -Rose in NJ > It's a beautiful day! > > rosemjoy@aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Don Rowe > Subject: Ever wonder why you never hear Joni on the radio? > > Click here to find out: > > http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2001/03/14/payola/index.html > > Don Rowe > > ===== > Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 12:37:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alison E > Subject: joni pics > > i'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned this, but > i was browsing thise site for a specific photo and > came across these of joni. > > http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Catalog.1.html > > sorry if it's already been discussed, but i just > really like the one of her and nash. > > alison e. in nyc > np: live ani, THANKS BOBBY! > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:39:14 > From: "Steve Harper" > Subject: "In this age of stentorian amplification..." > > "...aren't we glad for Joni?" > > (Those radio ads are TOO much!) > > Bob, we got the stuff, and we are loving it! (Mr. Muller sent Ken and me > the Hissing Demos and other cool stuff.) > > (Cool sticker!) > > My (two-cent) commentary: > > There wasn't much left by Joni for the other musicians to develop on > Hissing, was there? The songs seem to be fully (or almost fully) formed. I > caught some lyric changes, notably in Shades of Scarlet Conquering. Fire is > better than flames for that first line. Less sing-songy. And she reversed > the order of greed and need: > "To walk around with so much greed, > to carry the weight of all that need..." > > (The final version is more elegant and poignant, methinks.) > > It is so nice to hear different vocal versions of these incredible songs. > > Do any of you who sing (or like to sing) perform "Shades?" Have you noticed > that the melody lends itself to wonderful reinventions, my favorite being > inverting the notes from a downward, falling pattern to a rising one in > places that occur throughout the song, such as: > > "dark things she feels" > "cast-iron and frail" > "covers her eyes" in the X-rated scenes > "man in the world" holding out his arms" > > In these places, Joni brings the melody downward in a "hook." Now I need to > go back to the Demos and notice if she sings them differently there. > > Minutiae, to be sure, but God is in the ... > > Steve > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:54:14 EDT > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Re: "In this age of stentorian amplification..." > > <<"...aren't we glad for Joni?" > > (Those radio ads are TOO much!)>> > > LOL! Yes, indeed...and don't forget the profound, "Joni Mitchell is...Joni Mitchell!" :~) > > Glad you got it, Steve, and I hope your comments spur on some chatter. "Scarlett" is a great tune, also done to perfection by Christine Collister... > > And how 'bout them kazoos on "Dreamland"!! ;~) > > Bob > > NP: Meat Puppets, "Never To Be Found" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:18:45 -0400 (EDT) > From: w evans > Subject: Siquomb/HisBobness, Anima/Animus > > Well, it's a catchy subject but I haven't too much to say. Rather, I'm > attempting to prompt Steve into writing down some of his thoughts about > these two sides... We met each other because of this list, because of > joni, but it so happens that I have 45 or so Bob CDs to his one (at least > that one is blonde on blonde, good start) and so for the last few weeks we > have finally been listening to everything Bob that there is, in order, and > we've gotten up to Nashville Skyline. well, Steve has some rather > interesting thoughts concerning a duality between His Bobness and Our Lady > of Duality, especially as it relates to his and mine personalities and > approaches to music. I let him write the rest of this. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 13:24:02 -0700 > From: Randy Remote > Subject: Re: joni pics > > Not just great shots of Joni (Big Sur) and other rockers, > but a visual trip through the '60's in the bay area. Cool site > and worth the time! > > > Alison E wrote: > > > i'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned this, but > > i was browsing thise site for a specific photo and > > came across these of joni. > > > > http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Catalog.1.html > > > > sorry if it's already been discussed, but i just > > really like the one of her and nash. > > > > alison e. in nyc > > np: live ani, THANKS BOBBY! > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:40:19 EDT > From: RoseMJoy@aol.com > Subject: Joni Music Video > > want to see a really kewl music video promoting "How do you stop"? > http://www.launch.com/musicvideos/view/not_start/1,,159182~1169,00.html?vo=l is > m > &p=RMP&b=56 > rosemjoy@aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:47:36 -0400 > From: slarty > Subject: Another Joni Sims Object > > For all you who enjoy "The Sims" I've just added the Joni Mitchell > Easel which you can download and add to your game. > http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/tiles.cfm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:19:13 -0700 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: newbie guitarist > > Anne Dear! > Please no need to go to extremes!!!! LoL. Rosy, I will very be happy to give > you a free Joni actual tuning lesson in Sept. OR perhaps VERY late August. > > Love > > Michael > > on 5/1/01 6:41 AM, Anne Sandstrom at asandstrom@macromedia.com wrote: > > > Hi Rose. > > > > Wow! That's GREAT!!! I'm so happy for you. Welcome to the wonderful world of > > wood and strings! > > > > Based on my own experience, I'd say to just remember that the first time you > > play actual Joni notes (my gawd, it sounds just like the recording!!!) > > you'll experience incredible ecstasy. Better than (you name it - chocolate, > > sex, etc...) > > > > lots of love > > Anne > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:19:33 -0700 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: the album form > > Thanks to my dear friend I also have a copy of the Dido record and I like > her too. I saw a 15 min thing on TV about her last night before Morpheus > stamped me out for 11+ hours. I also have a real bad case of "huh" today so > whilst i catch up on all the latest, please forgive me if I sound a little > outta key. BTW Alison, thanks again for the John Gorka. Great Stuff!! > > Love > > Paz > > NP-Someday Soon-Judy Collins and Graham Nash 60's Folk Reunion > > on 4/26/01 1:44 PM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > > > --- philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > >> That's wrong, most of Joni's songs are single > >> pieces of music of 3 to 5 > >> minutes in duration. > > > > several others have refuted this statement well, so i > > won't bother. suffice it to say, it's um, WRONG??? > > > >> Dido music is soulless nonsense. > >> Philip > > > > as someone who owns her album and was overwhelmingly > > posessed by the song "thank you", i will say that Dido > > is certainly NOT SOULLESS NONSENSE! > > that is your opinion, you should state it as such > > rather than being flame-rific. > > Dido's album "no angel" is probably not the best new > > album i've purchased lately, but it is good, and i do > > like it. > > > > alison e. in nyc > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:53:28 EDT > From: Relayer211@aol.com > Subject: "The 25th hour"-mystery novel > > I just finished a wonderful mystery called "The 25th hour",by David > Benioff.I recommend fro all mystery lovers like me... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:01:32 EDT > From: RoseMJoy@aol.com > Subject: Re: newbie guitarist > > In a message dated 5/1/01 10:16:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > > > > Anne Dear! > > Please no need to go to extremes!!!! LoL. Rosy, I will very be happy to give > > you a free Joni actual tuning lesson in Sept. OR perhaps VERY late August. > > > > > > I'm much obliged, thanks Mikey. The more out of tune guitars, the better. > > rosemjoy@aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:04:33 -0700 > From: "Mark or Travis" > Subject: Re: Joni Music Video > > Thanks for posting this, Rose! This video is really cool! Joni & > Seal making a beautiful pair. I loved seeing the two of them > embracing & dancing together. Very cool! > > Mark in Seattle > > > > want to see a really kewl music video promoting "How do you stop"? > > > http://www.launch.com/musicvideos/view/not_start/1,,159182~1169,00.htm > l?vo=lis > > m > > &p=RMP&b=56 > > rosemjoy@aol.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:14:22 EDT > From: Relayer211@aol.com > Subject: "The Sound of Trees"(Poem) > > I wonder about the trees > Why do we wish to bear > Forever the noise of these > More then another noise > So close to our dwelling place? > We suffer them by day > Till we lose all measure of pace, > And fixity in our joys > And acquire a listening air. > They are that that talks of going > But never gets away; > And that talks no less for knowing, > As it grows wiser and older, > That now it means to stay. > My feet tug at the floor > And my head sways to my shoulder > Sometimes when I watch trees sway, > From the window or the door. > I shall set forth for somewhere, > I shall make the reckless choice > Someday when they are in voice > And tossing so as to scare > The white clouds over them on. > I shall have less to say, > But I shall be gone. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:26:33 EDT > From: Relayer211@aol.com > Subject: Re: "The Sound of Trees"(Poem) > > Sorry-I didn't mean to imply that I wrote this poem. Robert Frost wrote it. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:10:57 +1200 > From: "hell" > Subject: Re: Joni Music Video > > Rose wrote: > > > want to see a really kewl music video promoting "How do you stop"? > > > http://www.launch.com/musicvideos/view/not_start/1,,159182~1169,00.html?vo=l > ism&p=RMP&b=56 > > I love Launch.com. I tried Sonicnet, but found it too hard to program. > Launch.com works the same way, but it's really simple to set up, and very > easy to eliminate artists and/or songs or albums from your playlist. > > And the range of music videos is great - even some recent CSNY videos, which > definitely haven't had any air-time over here! > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Hell's Personal Photo Page: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 02:40:52 -0300 > From: "Wally Kairuz" > Subject: RE: "The 25th hour"-mystery novel > > relayer, is that a very very very old one? i remember my aunts had a mystery > called the 25th hour when i was a child. > i am reading the miss melville thrillers [miss melville regrets, miss > melville rides a tiger, etc..] they're a hoot. they're about an upper class > lady that misfires when she tries to kill herself and ends up killing > another person, thus beginning her very lucrative career as a ''hitwoman''. > i'm laughing my head off! > wallyK, np: aztec camera: deep and wide and tall > > - -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Relayer211@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 01 de Mayo de 2001 11:53 p.m. > Para: Joni@smoe.org > Asunto: "The 25th hour"-mystery novel > > > I just finished a wonderful mystery called "The 25th hour",by David > Benioff.I recommend fro all mystery lovers like me... > > ------------------------------ > > End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #138 > ********************************* > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:04:28 From: "Steve Harper" Subject: Bob: Animus; Joni: Anima? Hello, all! (I will here take up my boyfriend's challenge.) Ken and I are in the midst of listening to all of Bob Dylan's released works(!) including some bootleg material (we are up to Nashville Skyline.) (Major caveats: I am neither an expert on Dylan nor psychology, and since many of you out there are, indulge me, please!) I mused recently with Ken on the subject of Bob and Joni being two sides of the masculine/feminine coin: Bob--animus, Joni--anima. Predominantly, anyway, and, I think, significantly from an artistic viewpoint. His Bobness, as Ken likes to call him, often focuses on details and references that can be quite obscure and open-ended. He will weave an evocative story from which one can feel an importance to what he is communicating, even if the text cannot be completely explicated easily. You know, "something is happening but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?" While it would be an easy statement to declare Joni's lyrics more accessible, they are often similarly inscrutable, except that their focus is more on describing the emotions of situations, rather than the events. Joni seems to me more emotionally direct, and I personally connect more closely with her "versions" of things, if you will, though I very much appreciate Dylan. It is as if Bob wants to bring attention to the world and say "pay attention, here's something you may have missed," and Joni says, more cosmically, to me, "oh, you remember THIS, don't you?" So, what different stimulation do we get from the very different songs of these two artists? When I listen to Bob, I tend to feel he is attempting to communicate how things ARE. When I listen to Joni, I feel her attempt to communicate how things FEEL. I respond more strongly and more consistently to Joni's way of communicating, and I'll leave it to Ken to share more of his thoughts. Though with any particular lyric we might say that here Joni is writing cerebral and there Bob is waxing poetic, I get an overall feel from them along these lines. (And of course it has something to do with their styles of music and the sounds of their voices, but I think their differences run deeper.) Men and women both find in their personalities pieces of the other's perspective. We need both halves to be whole. But does my personal identification with Joni's "take" on things make me more feminine; does it indicate that my psyche is more rooted in the feminine perspective, though I am male? For all of us men on the JMDL--self-identified fans, gay and straight--does our interest and appreciation of Joni suggest we are more (dreaded cliche) "in touch with our feminine sides" than others? Doesn't it make sense that the music that we "get," that we intrinsically understand somehow, should indicate something about us? (Well beyond gender stereotypes, of course.) Some beginning thoughts on the subject. Steve in Atlanta _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:05:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Regulation/Deregulation <> Yes it is...While I'm not a fan of big government, I think that we can clearly see that deregulation may benefit end users in the short run but in the long run results in oligopoly and sometimes even monopoly, and the end users are screwed. Look at what's happened in the airline industry. Flying used to be an enjoyable, reliable, safe experience. Thanks to deregulation the price of airfares may be more competitive, but look at the trade off. The same people screaming 'get the government off our backs' are the first to complain when service levels plummet. My Dad worked for the National Weather Service his whole life and during the 80's would come home shaking his head when he'd heard of the Feds deregulating and outsourcing services. In terms of radio, I NEVER listen to commercial radio, unless I'm travelling with my son and switch it to his "New Rock" station... With the options available to stream music over the internet, the sophistication of car and home audio, Napster, etc., I have NO reason to listen to the pablum found on the radio dial. Keep in mind I'm talking COMMERCIAL radio...college radio and some of the more eclectic NPR affiliates are still very much enjoyable and on the edge. And some are even HUGE Joni fans, and they let you know it - AMEN! Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Between A Laugh & A Tear" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: john gorka etc. njc oh mikey, you are so very welcome. he is playing here on the 24th, unfortunately the day before everybody (i think) gets here for memorial day lahm fest. if anyone is coming in on that thursday the 24th and wants to go, let me know and we'll work it out. i'm definitely going, as he is one of my favorite live performers. really alot of fun. sounds like you are having a great time for jazzfest, i wish i was there! alison e. in nyc - --- Michael Paz wrote: BTW Alison, thanks again for the John > Gorka. Great Stuff!! > > Love > Paz Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:25:07 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Mid-West Joni-Fest NJC Steve wrote about the Mid-west Jonifest: > This is scary! Ashara help! > I'm here if you need anything. I wish I could join you, but the band I play in has a gig that weekend. :-( Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:00:30 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto The following appeared in the Toronto Star Today, May 2, 2001: "The list of 14 honourees with gala dates: fashion designer Issey Miyake, Mon. Sept. 24; ringmaster Guy Laliberte (Cirque de Soleil) Mon. Oct. 1; furniture designer Philippe Starck, Wed. Oct. 3; architect Frank Gehry, Fri. Oct. 5; Broadway composer Stephen Sondheim, Thurs. Oct. 11; Bernardo Bertolucci, Sat. Oct. 13; artist Robert Rauschenberg, Mon. Oct. 15; playwright Harold Pinter, Wed. Oct. 17; singer Joni Mitchell, Fri. Oct. 19; director, writer and actor Robert Lepage, Mon. Oct. 22; musician Peter Gabriel, Wed. Oct. 24; musician and producer Quincy Jones, Fri. Oct. 26; choreographer Pina Bausch, Tues. Oct. 30. Tickets, at $175, go on sale June 2 to the public and May 22 to American Express cardholders. American Express is the major sponsor of the event The entire article may be viewed at: http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagenam e=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=988688246653&call_page=TS _Entertainment,Life&call_pageid=968867495754&call_pagepath=Entertainme nt,Life/News&col=969483191630;http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/Ap pLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article &cid=988688246653&call_page=TS_Entertainment,Life&call_pageid=96886749 5754&call_pagepath=Entertainment,Life/News&col=969483191630 Warm Regards, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:37:01 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto Thanks Cassy! Is that US dollars or Canadian currency? Is it $175.00 to see each event? Heather At 08:00 PM 5/2/01 -0500, cassy wrote: >The following appeared in the Toronto Star Today, May 2, 2001: > >"The list of 14 honourees with gala dates: fashion designer Issey >Miyake, Mon. Sept. 24; ringmaster Guy Laliberte (Cirque de Soleil) >Mon. Oct. 1; furniture designer Philippe Starck, Wed. Oct. 3; >architect Frank Gehry, Fri. Oct. 5; Broadway composer Stephen >Sondheim, Thurs. Oct. 11; Bernardo Bertolucci, Sat. Oct. 13; artist >Robert Rauschenberg, Mon. Oct. 15; playwright Harold Pinter, Wed. Oct. >17; singer Joni Mitchell, Fri. Oct. 19; director, writer and actor >Robert Lepage, Mon. Oct. 22; musician Peter Gabriel, Wed. Oct. 24; >musician and producer Quincy Jones, Fri. Oct. 26; choreographer Pina >Bausch, Tues. Oct. 30. > >Tickets, at $175, go on sale June 2 to the public and May 22 to >American Express cardholders. American Express is the major sponsor of >the event > >The entire article may be viewed at: > >http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagenam >e=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=988688246653&call_page=TS >_Entertainment,Life&call_pageid=968867495754&call_pagepath=Entertainme >nt,Life/News&col=969483191630;http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/Ap >pLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article >&cid=988688246653&call_page=TS_Entertainment,Life&call_pageid=96886749 >5754&call_pagepath=Entertainment,Life/News&col=969483191630 > >Warm Regards, >Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:49:11 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto Hi Heather, My sister (who lives in a suburb of Toronto) tells me that's Canadian money which is roughly $117 American, and the price is the same for each event in the series. I am hoping to be able to go, I have overnight accommodations that were given to me as a wedding gift which I haven't used yet, October 18th is also my birthday so this would be a great way to celebrate! * note to myself to BCC this to my husband * I AM curious whether Joni will attend the tributes to Peter Gabriel and/or Issey Miyake. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:43:49 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Brilliant lyric You know it never has been easy Whether you do or you do not resign Whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line -Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cat question - absolutely NJC - --- hell wrote: > Kerry wrote: > > > Why is it in the cat rule book that hairballs have > to be thrown up at 3:00 > > in the morning??? > > For the same reason they must only get underfoot > when you're in a hurry, and > that they must demand dinner (as annoyingly as > possible) at 6pm, even though > they have no intention of eating it until at least > 9.00. > > Hell - wishing she had a copy of the rule book, so > she could make a few > "minor" alterations, like removing the clause > (claws?!) that says that cats > must only sleep in the exact centre of the bed. > ____________________________ The most important rule of all in the cat rule book is that the rules keep changing. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:03:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Judy collins' birthday Yesterday was Judy Collins' 62nd birthday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:01:43 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto >I am hoping to be able to go, I have overnight accommodations that >were given to me as a wedding gift which I haven't used yet, October >18th is also my birthday so this would be a great way to celebrate! That sounds like an excellent way to celebrate your birthday! ** note to birthday fairy .... did you get that date?? *** >I AM curious whether Joni will attend the tributes to Peter Gabriel >and/or Issey Miyake. I was curious about that too. Seems possible. I really hope Joni doesn't buy any more Miyake gowns. I like the style but I don't think it was very flattering on Joni. Did anyone notice that I tried (the emphasis on ' tried' ) to make the background of the nametags at last years Ashara's Jonifest similar to a Miyake pattern? I think I better stick to Chemistry :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cat question njc - --- evian wrote: > Catherine, > I would go back to the old litter and see if > that solves the > problem. With my cat, it doesn't matter what kind I > buy. However, as I > discovered the other day, she still has this THING > for open bags of > litter. I bought a huge 50 lb bag of litter, and > had it sitting half > full in the laundry room under this old desk. Well, > when I looked the > other day, I saw that the little darling decided to > sit on top of the > bag and shit into it... and then she scooped up some > of the litter from > the bag, and pooped on that, and then knocked it to > the floor, and so I > spent a good half hour washing the damn floor with > javex because God > only knows what else she's done around that bag. Iwwww! I did see one of mine nosing around the litter bag the other day. I'm afraid to look! I think I figured out what happened though. I think the basement door WAS shut. My husband is very hard of hearing and is supposed to wear a hearing aid, but he just won't. As a result, he turns the TV up full blast and we have to keep asking him to turn it down. The TV's in the basement. Last night, I noticed that my son got out of bed and had shut the basement door. I have a feeling that's probably what happened the other night too except that after kitty shat on the floor, someone opened the basement door again. It was probably my husband who *just didn't notice* cat crap in the middle of the hall - you would practically HAVE to step in it just to get by, but well, men, you know. Anyhow it hasn't happened since and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn't again. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "It's Official" Joni is among the artists to be honored - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > OK guys, I've been waiting for Jim to give you all > the "official" update on > this event. It is now up on the Joni Mitchell.com > site with a link to the > Harbourfront's website. That's where I found the > link to that kewl music > video btw. Joni's hommage is scheduled for October > 19th. > As Michael would say.....I wanna gozzzzzz > rosemjoy@aol.com Here's an article from today's Globe and Mail. $175! Merde et merde encore! A cultural feast MICHAEL POSNER Wednesday, May 2, 2001 TORONTO -- In what may be the most ambitious cultural program ever mounted in Toronto, the city's Harbourfront Centre yesterday took the wraps off its long-awaited World Leaders: A Festival of Creative Genius. To be mounted over five weeks this fall (from Sept. 24 to Oct. 30) in the newly refurbished Liberty Grand entertainment complex at the Canadian National Exhibition, the festival will parade a global galaxy of cultural stars. The full list of pace-setting honourees, each of whom will be awarded a $25,000 Harbourfront Centre Prize, includes: fashion designer Issey Miyake (Sept. 24); Cirque du Soleil founder Guy Laliberti (Oct. 1); interior designer Philippe Starke (Oct. 3); architect Frank Gehry (Oct. 5); comedienne Lily Tomlin (Oct. 6); composer Stephen Sondheim (Oct. 11); film director Bernardo Bertolucci (Oct. 13); graphic artist Robert Rauschenburg (Oct. 15); dramatist and screenwriter Harold Pinter (Oct. 17); ******singer Joni Mitchell (Oct. 19);***** stage and film director Robert Lepage (Oct. 22); composer, performer Peter Gabriel (Oct. 25); composer, arranger Quincy Jones (Oct. 26) and dancer Pina Bausch (Oct. 30). Each evening hommage will begin with a preshow dinner, prepared by some of Canada's most distinguished chefs,and will be followed by a celebration and exploration of the artist's work, using film clips, interviews and performances by guest musicians, actors and dancers. Tickets will cost $175, and will go on sale to the public from June 2 and to American Express cardholders from May 22. A satellite cultural agenda of films, discussions, exhibitions, cabarets, lectures and performances will be held in other Toronto venues, to further honour these icons. More than two years in development, the program, Harbourfront CEO William Boyle said yesterday, is intended not only to salute some of the greatest creative geniuses of our time, but to "explore the underlying artistic innovation, the nurturing of the creative spirit and the seminal role that individual artists play in shaping the world around us." <> For more information, visit http://www.worldleadersfestival.com Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:47:02 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Harbourfront Toronto In a message dated 5/2/01 10:16:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luvart@snet.net writes: > Did anyone notice that I tried (the emphasis on ' tried' ) to make the > background of the nametags at last years Ashara's Jonifest similar to a > Miyake pattern? > Heather sweetie! You did a TERRIFIC job on the Miyake nametags last year, and of course we noticed. Don't know how you're gonna top that this year, but I'm sure you will. I'm already investigating a trip to see Joni in Toronto. I just hope that she will definitely will be there. Since my hometown artist Robert Rauschenberg will be honored a few days before Joni, it will be an additional bonus. I wish I could attend the entire month of honorees, since they are all gifted geniuses of our time. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:52:39 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Brilliant lyric yes, it is brilliant. reminds me of her earlier lyrics; "my friends and relations have names they must call me. for loving the freedom of all flying things. my dreams, like the gulls to fly out of reach out of cry. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Brilliant lyric > You know it never has been easy > Whether you do or you do not resign > Whether you travel the breadth of extremities > Or stick to some straighter line > > -Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:39:56 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Memorial Day I have spoken to Ratzo Harris (the bassist on MORE JAZZ TAKES...) and he will be with us at Judy's Chelsea. So anyone wishing to avail her or himself of a world class accompanist should either bring music for him (and me) or let me know in front your tunes AND KEYS. I will try to have parts prepared. I am really looking forward to this and I hope there will be some late additions to the following list of people who've said they're coming: The Mixons Ashara Jimmy Stewart Emily & Courtney Julius Alison & Jeff MG Victor Nikki Heather Debra Shea Tanya Roberto Kay Ashley Sue Cameron Willy The Shake ciao for now, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:17:04 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Memorial Day Hi David! Is there any update to the plans? Can you please remind us once again when the events are taking place? Thanks! I am excited to go! :-) Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Dflahm@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:40 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Memorial Day > > > I have spoken to Ratzo Harris (the bassist on MORE JAZZ TAKES...) > and he will > be with us at Judy's Chelsea. So anyone wishing to avail her or > himself of a > world class accompanist should either bring music for him (and > me) or let me > know in front your tunes AND KEYS. I will try to have parts prepared. > > I am really looking forward to this and I hope there will be some late > additions to the following list of people who've said they're coming: > > The Mixons Ashara > Jimmy Stewart > Emily & Courtney Julius > Alison & Jeff > MG Victor > > Nikki > Heather Debra Shea > Tanya > Roberto Kay Ashley > Sue > Cameron > Willy The Shake > > ciao for now, > DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:18:13 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Ever wonder why you never hear Joni on the radio? Hear Joni's "Furry Sings The Blues" on The World Cafe radio show tomorrow. Tune in to www.wnku.org at 2PM Eastern Time to catch the whole show. (7PM GMT) Lama ps. Happy birthday Mark in Seattle! Rock on dude. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:05:52 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Ever wonder why you never hear Joni on the radio? No,I DO hear Joni more on the radio.The oldies station recently added "Help me" to it's playing list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:14:57 +1200 From: Kathryn Waters Subject: hi y'all Hello from a new member way down under in NZ. I'm fairly new to Joni's music but I love it, it's so complex and beatiful. There's a song on Court and Spark, maybe People's Parties which I reckon has an allusion to a scene in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Something about 'a rose in her teeth and a lampshade crown', and also 'one minute she's so happy then she's crying on someone's knee' and maybe another lyric. Anyone else know anything about this?? Or am I hearing things......I'm not widely read on Joni's inspirations and sources so forgive me if I'm covering old ground. kiwi fan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:31:06 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: hi y'all Kathryn wrote: > Hello from a new member way down under in NZ. > I'm fairly new to Joni's music but I love it, it's so complex and beatiful. > > There's a song on Court and Spark, maybe People's Parties which I reckon has > an allusion to a scene in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Something about 'a rose > in her teeth and a lampshade crown', and also 'one minute she's so happy > then she's crying on someone's knee' and maybe another lyric. > > Anyone else know anything about this?? Or am I hearing things......I'm not > widely read on Joni's inspirations and sources so forgive me if I'm covering > old ground. Yippee!!! Another kiwi on the list - and not a lurker! Welcome to the best discussion list on the planet. You'll love it here (and hate it because it's addictive, I tried to leave but was back in a week or so!), but you won't find a nicer bunch of people. Hell (aka Helen) in Auckland ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:35:22 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Regulation/Deregulation > In terms of radio, I NEVER listen to commercial radio, unless I'm > travelling with my son and switch it to his "New Rock" station... With > the options available to stream music over the internet, the sophistication > of car and home audio, Napster, etc., I have NO reason to listen to the > pablum found on the radio dial. Keep in mind I'm talking COMMERCIAL > radio...college radio and some of the more eclectic NPR affiliates are still > very much enjoyable and on the edge. And some are even HUGE Joni > fans, and they let you know it - AMEN! Be thankful you don't live here! I HATE listening to the radio, particularly in the mornings, when for every song on the commercial stations (usually top 20 only), you get 10 minutes worth of ads. Recently my tape player in the car decided to die, leaving me with the radio. I now listen to Sports Radio which is commentary, interviews and talk-back. I love it, and I'm more informed that I was, but I want my tape deck back! There are alternative stations, but they don't play the kind of music I like, and there's no "skip" or "fast-forward" function! Honestly, my stress levels go up exponentially if I have to listen to crappy music first thing in the morning! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #203 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?