From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 1 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 200 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni talking (njc) ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen and US News and World Report [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: foni mitchell website (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni talking (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Mid-West Joni-Fest NJC [Steve Polifka ] Eric Andersen (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Article database thanks [Les Irvin ] Cat question - absolutely NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Cat question - absolutely NJC [catman ] Re: the album form/format wars njc ["Brenda J. Walker" ] My cat question - thanks for the suggestions - NJC [Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Joni talking (njc) Thanks, Kakki. I gave Les some articles, but I can't take any credit at all for how he set up the indexing. It's better than some of the professional periodical databases I've seen. > And if not in large part to you, Deb, this database may have never been. > See, it's all your fault that some of us have become walking datafiles of > Joni details ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:30:53 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Joni & Leonard Cohen and US News and World Report > Coyote Rick wrote: > > Gilgoff goes on to report "When Rolling Stone released it's Illustrated > History of Rock & Roll in 1992, only four of nearly 100 chapters were devoted > to women. The Ronettes, the Crystals, and the Shangi-Las were squeezed into > a three-page chapter titled 'The Girl Groups.' An entire chapter went to > Phil Spector alone." > Yes it always bugs me the way Spector single handedly gets credit for all those great records. The so called Spector sound could never have existed without Hal Blaine's explosive drumming and above all the performances of The Ronnetts. I suspect that when Destiny's Child ascend to world domination they will order a rewrite of those books :) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:36:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: foni mitchell website (NJC) <> Sorry to be late responding to this, Clive, but I must say I was really impressed with the site. VERY easy to navigate, and not too busy or cumbersome to want to see it all! Good work, mate. Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "Jimi Thing" PS: Ask Jo if she needs a lackey to tote her guitars for her! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:45:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni talking (njc) Deb Messling wrote: > Thanks, Kakki. I gave Les some articles, but I can't take any credit at all > for how he set up the indexing. It's better than some of the professional > periodical databases I've seen. Amen to that. Another librarian who knows. Jerry np: The Coors - Breathless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:25:29 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Mid-West Joni-Fest NJC Hi all! Here is the latest scoop on plans for Midwest Jonifest: We have chosen the weekend of June 16th, which is a Saturday. In the typical Milwaukee tradition, as Milwaukee has a corner bar on just about every block, we would have Midwest Jonifest at a nice corner bar called the 1100 Club. IF WE HAVE RESERVATIONS OF 20 TO 25 PEOPLE, WE CAN HAVE THE 1100 CLUB TO OURSELVES FOR THE WHOLE EVENING, INCLUCING DINNER. Michael the owner asured me of dinner prices to be around 10-12 dollars per person. (THEY SERVE GREAT FOOD, GENEROUS PORTIONS!)There would be live music/ jukebox/(karaoke?)afterwords- depending on how many performers show up. Since this is coming so fast and Kerry just though of it (lol)! We would like some input, feedback ASAP! If you are seriously interested, please contact myself or Kerry with the following: 4 menu choices How sure you are about coming Will you perform? Do you want this to be a whole weekend thing, or just a Saturday? Friday could be a meet and greet at one of the fine restaurants like Elsa's, with A Joni Boat Tour on Sat afternoon,, followed by dinner and music at the 1100 Club. Brunch could also be handled on Sunday at the 1100 Club. I am still working on hotel info for folks. The sooner I know how many people are seriously interested, the sooner Michael will give us his club! I have a week or so to let him know. We can have our party there regardless of how many people show, but if it's less than 20, the bar will remain open. Milwaukee is a summer city- there is a festival happening EVERY weekend in summer here- including Church festivals, all the typical touristy stuff, so there is plenty to do. Kerry and I would like to invite everyone- originally, it was just to be a Madison/ Milwaukee/ Chicago thing, but what the heck! This is scary! Ashara help! (Did I really type that?) LOL! Thanks so much! Steve Polifka Milwaukee, Cheese country, Wisconsin Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:42:44 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Eric Andersen (NJC) John Low wrote: >Maybe, he has developed a following in Europe. Also, you might be >interested to know that Richard Thompson plays on Memory of the >Future. Eric, Richard and Joni all shared the bill at the Troubadours of Folk concert in LA in '93. I was impressed with Eric's newer material. I saw him most recently at Folk Alliance in Cleveland last year. He shared a showcase with Tom Paxton - they were great together! Paxton ended up doing Eric's "Thirsty Boots" and Eric responded with Tom's "Last Thing on My Mind". - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:59:34 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Article database thanks At 05:02 PM 4/29/2001, Kakki wrote: >And if not in large part to you, Deb, this database may have never been. >See, it's all your fault that some of us have become walking datafiles of >Joni details ;-) But seriously, you can be very proud that what you started >has become such an important resource to so many, including authors such as >Stacy Luftig and other professional researchers. I agree! Deb Messling has contributed many, many, articles to the database since its inception - certainly more than anyone else. Without Deb, the database would be a fraction of what it is. And, I also want to credit Jerry Notaro (hot on Deb's heals for the title of Official JMDL Librarian :-) who also helps keep the article database fresh and growing. And, at the risk of leaving many people out, I also want to thank the amazing Judy Haugh and Les Ross. These two individuals have spent the last few months typing up articles like they are going out of style. The article database has grown by almost 100 articles since the beginning of this year, due in large part to the finger work of these two. A number of other people helped type as well, all of whom I will credit by name soon. Finally, another exciting development in the article database is Lindsay Moon's ongoing project of transcribing Joni's audio interviews. Among others, she's done the entire WMMR retrospective, the "My Top 12" tape, and the LACE "Amy Adler Curates Joni Mitchell" interview. Check the database out if you haven't visited in a while. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/ Thanks, Les NP: Los Super Seven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Cat question - absolutely NJC This has absolutely nothing to do with Joni, and is stricly related to cats and their behaviour and is kind of gross, so if you're weak of stomach, go no further and simply delete. Do any cat owners out there have any suggestions as to what could possibly be the reason why a cat would poop on the floor? This is the first time this has ever happened. Trouble is, we've got 3 cats and I'm not sure which of the little darlings is responsible for the lovely present; I checked to make sure that the door to the basement (where the litter box is) was open and it was, so we can't blame it on being caught short. One of the cats was kind of stinky last night and I thought maybe some of the caca had stuck to her bum (she's a long-hair and that does happen from time to time - see, I told you it could get gross!); but that doesn't seem to be the case, as I checked her out (carefully!) On the other hand, she may be paying me back for combing her perhaps a little too zealously earlier in the day (although she has never acted vengeful before, and didn't appear to be stressed out). I've had one of my cats pee on the sofa and it turned out she had a urinary tract infection. None of the cats has had a problem before with sharing the litterbox with the other two cats; and, even though I was using a different type of cat litter than I normally use, I had also been using this type for at least a week - and I had just changed the litter. Maybe it won't happen again (I certainly hope not!), in which case, I'll just chalk it up to stress or weird cat behaviour - and, if I do need to take a cat to the vet, it would help to know which one to take! If anyone has had this problem before with a cat and has any suggestions (apart from euthanising them all, and no, I really don't mean that), I'd be pleased to hear about it. Sorry for wasting space, but Joni has cats too. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:40:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Cat question - absolutely NJC Some tips: only 2 cats per tray. change it every day. you need 2 trays ofr 3 cats. Don't change litter. This can upset cats. I changed mine when I had a dozen or so cats. poop all over the place. Toileting somewhere else is often a sign of illness or the cat is upset about something. I bet it is the litter change in this case. What is more gross is stepping in cold cat puke, usually with a big fur ball in it, when you get up in the moring, or finding one on your pillow! Or skid marks evry where when they try to get a clinker off. The dogs do that too and yes they ahev long hair. If John is here I usaully get him to hold them so I can comb it our of their bums. He is such wimp-complains about the smell all the time. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:07:59 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: the album form/format wars njc Sorry to jump in this so late, but I think Philip makes an important point here. When you consider the recorded album in the historical perspective of recorded music and especially in the larger historical perspective of music generally, it appears as something of a recent conceit (the vinyl LP was introduced in the late 40's - 1948, I think). (I'm speaking only in terms of recorded music here; not in terms of long or short compositions with thematic threads.) When you think of the artists who lived in a time when albums were not a commercially available outlet, artists who we now know by CD "collections" - Bessie Smith or Robert Johnson for instance - we don't consider their work any lesser because they didn't create albums. Their artistry still made its way through regardless of the format. And to get the full experience, you had to go see the artist perform live. When I consider how the current music business in the U.S. has driven artists off the road (the oligopolistic ring of tour promoters, the mini-malling of commercial radio which is almost killing regional music diversity and the constant collective price manipulations and distribution lockouts of the label cartel, to name just a few) my greatest hope for the digital music "revolution" is that it will challenge the seating of existing recorded music formats (and they way they are released) and compel more fans to go see artists perform live. It would complete the circle in my eyes. I'll be excited to hear the first new artist who says screw releasing the single in support of the album and doing it all when a label tells me it fits in a two week slot - an artist who releases as many songs as they like as often as they like, but works to make sure they are always giving their fans their best in the best way they know how. Some artist will figure this out and the vitality of music will be better for it. Brenda philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > > > There seems to be a collective assumption that albums are somehow more > worthy and intellectual than singles. The record industry encourages > that because there's no profit in singles. That kind of thinking peaked > in the 70's when Led Zepplin refused to allow Stairway To Heaven to be > released as a single. It was a huge radio hit and the public paid full > album prices for the song. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:21:38 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Music lessons SJC I had my first official guitar lesson today! Oh my Gawd. Am I ever going to have the dexterity I need in these not so nimble fingers? My music teacher is a guy and his name is Les. Now I know three people with that first name, and yes all being males. He asked me what I listened to and I told mostly Joni. He said that he thought that she was probably the best music writers that ever lived. I think we're going to get along marvelously :~) He said he'd teach me some Joni stuff, but not in her open tunings. No, not quite yet, but eventually. So I guess there's my incentive. I'll keep you posted. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Music lessons SJC - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I had my first official guitar lesson today! Oh my > Gawd. Am I ever going to > have the dexterity I need in these not so nimble > fingers? Yes,you will, but unfortunately (like anything worth waiting for!), it doesn't happen overnight. Your callusses (calluses? calli?) will probably hurt like hell for a week or two, and then one day, it'll all seem normal and the pain will be gone. > [The teacher] asked me what I listened to > and I told mostly Joni. > He said that he thought that she was probably the > best music writers that > ever lived. I think we're going to get along > marvelously :~) Sounds like you got a good one! > He said he'd > teach me some Joni stuff, but not in her open > tunings. No, not quite yet, but > eventually. So I guess there's my incentive. I'll > keep you posted. It's a pain in the ass because you have to keep retuning the durn guitar, and it can't be healthy for it, but, once you start getting that Joni sound, you won't care! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:39:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: My cat question - thanks for the suggestions - NJC Thanks to everyone that offered suggestions on how to deal with my kitty's poopoo problem. So far (today), so good - it hasn't happened yet/again since last evening. I still can't figure out which one of the buggers is the culprit - they all have guilty faces. I think it may have stuck to the rearend fur of the long-hair (but it was too neat!) Or one of them is seeking vengeance for something. It's hard to tell with cats - they get into a snit for the weirdest reasons. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:43:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Music lessons SJC << I had my first official guitar lesson today! >> Congrats, Rosalita! I'm nominating you to do "Pat's Solo" at Jonifest 2001! ;~) Bob NP: W.O.W., "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:55:42 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Music lessons NJC In a message dated 4/30/01 8:43:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > Congrats, Rosalita! I'm nominating you to do "Pat's Solo" at Jonifest 2001! > ;~) > > Oh, I don't think so, maybe a melody like "A Bicycle Built for Two" LOL - -Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #200 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?