From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 196 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni miscarriage [Randy Remote ] RE: Ella sings Coyote ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: YES! YES! YES! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: YES! YES! YES! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] "Yes" at JoniFest? NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:25:51 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni miscarriage I didn't know about the miscarraige. She was 47 at the time. janine sherman wrote: > I have been reading articles lately on the jmdl.com webpage and came = > across this article. > Did any list members know Joni had a miscarriage in 1990? Poor baby. I = > don't mean to bring bad news up for laundering, I just feel sad for her = > and can understand even more of her melancholy. Janine > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961208tm.cfm > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of The Mail, December 8, 1996.url] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:17:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Ella sings Coyote you're right, mark! i was making a hasty generalization. what i had in mind when i wrote that post was ella singing some of the stuff she recorded in [i think] the late 60's [the one that goes ''humpty dumpty my head over yooooooooouuuuuu...'', i don't remember the lyrics], te kanawa singing cole porter and bolton singing ''nessun dorma''. besides, i guess i was thinking of pop in the 30's as tin pan alley and that stuff and that the material that billie and ella recorded was already standard and no longer pop or, in billie's case, still a little ''underground'' to be pop. but of course there are lots of exceptions to what we call pop, jazz, opera, etc.. as to porgy and bess, i've always had trouble thinking of it as ''opera''. but then, i've never heard p&b from end to end and i am sure that i don't identify it as opera because one can sing summertime even if one isn't classically trained!!!!! so that's the extent of my prejudice... wallyK, humbly back to wagner and richard strauss, where i belong.... - -----Mensaje original----- De: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Abril de 2001 10:54 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; Doug Brode; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Ella sings Coyote Ok, meaning no disrespect to our beloved Birthday Fairy, but what do you think most of the so-called 'standards' of the 30s, 40s & 50s that Ella, Sarah & Billie recorded were? They were pop songs. The pop music of their day. Most of them didn't start out life as 'jazz'. There are exceptions of course (aren't there always?) Ellington & Strayhorn's songs come to mind. The great jazz singers & players made these songs into jazz with their treatment of them. I'm no expert on jazz so I don't know what chords or rhythms make a piece of music 'jazz'. But I am fairly certain that Rogers & Hart, Cole Porter, Harold Arlen, etc. wrote pop songs. True, some were influenced by jazz, but I don't think their songs would be considered pure jazz in their original forms. Gershwin of course was very much influenced by jazz. And speaking of Gershwin, he also composed an opera, as most of you probably know, called 'Porgy & Bess'. One of the songs from that opera is a lovely little tune called 'Summertime' which has been recorded by Janis Joplin, Billie Holiday and even Siquomb herself. Now did they sound silly singing 'opera'? Ok, so that's a bit of a stretch, but like I said, there's always an exception to every rule. Making generalizations on the JMDL is a dangerous game. Mark in ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:19:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: YES! YES! YES! (njc) hey anne!!!!! you lifesaver!!!! [what flavor?] i never knew one could actually sing to yes!!!!! thank you! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: asandstrom@macromedia.com [mailto:asandstrom@macromedia.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Abril de 2001 11:14 p.m. Para: Relayer211@aol.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; asandstrom@macromedia.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: YES! YES! YES! (njc) Hmmm... Check this out. http://yesworld.com/lyrics/Fragile.html I'll see if I still have my book for Fragile. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:28:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: YES! YES! YES! (njc) anne and relayer, combining both your replies, i get ''tell the moon dog, tell the march hare'', ''we have heaven'' and ''he is here'', and that's good enough for me!!!! AT LAST!!!!!! wallyK, np: mood for a day...YES!!!!! - -----Mensaje original----- De: Relayer211@aol.com [mailto:Relayer211@aol.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Abril de 2001 10:17 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; asandstrom@macromedia.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: YES! YES! YES! (njc) I think it's "tell the moon hog.tell the march hare","we have heaven".and "he is here." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:32:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Yes" at JoniFest? NJC Anne proposed doing "We Have Heaven" at JoniFest 2001. Yeah! I was reading the digest, composing the following when I read your idea. I'm in, Lord willing. My falsetto is pretty thin but I'm not shy about sharing it. :) - --- Wally said, >anne!!!!!! one more thing we have in common! and yes, i would love to do we have heaven with you at the jonifest... but you'll have to teach me the lyrics!!!! i never understood them! ''to tell the moon, to tell the march?????????'' - -- I'll take a stab at this Wally. "We Have Heaven" doesn't make any more sense to those of us for whom English is a first language! It's about the groove, repitition, progression, and harmony. (but i suspect you KNEW that.) Lama (BTW, has the traffic on the JoniFest list dropped to zero for the past 3 weeks?) Also, I was thinking that I'd like to hear Victor do some of the flute inspired Joni parts like "For Free" or "Cold Blue Steel". Maybe with Paz'es ultra precise guitar and Claud9's voice? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #196 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?