From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #193 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 193 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bruce Hornsby (NJC) [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: the album form NJC [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: LSD and lestat ... and JT lyrics (NJC, really) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Any America fans here?(NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] New Midi File [slarty ] Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) [Alison E ] serious chocolate NJC [bbBear ] Mailing addresses? (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] MTV NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) [Alison E ] A Few Fundraising Announcements [AsharaJM@aol.com] Jonifest!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Any America fans here?(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Music-Sarah Harmer njc [Catherine McKay ] Ella sings Coyote [Doug Brode ] "Came Upon A Child of God" [Kammass@aol.com] Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" [RoseMJoy@aol.com] urbane myths (njc) [jan gyn ] Joni's influence on Bjork ["Garret" ] Re: the album form njc ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Blue versus Blood On The Tracks [Mitch327@aol.com] RE: rick wakeman njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: the album form njc [Randy Remote ] Re: emerson, lake, palmer [Randy Remote ] RE: Ella sings Coyote ["Wally Kairuz" ] covers question ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Ella sings Coyote NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: covers question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni cite in the National Enquirer [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Joni and women overlooked! [Vince Lavieri ] Re: rick wakeman njc [Michael Paz ] Re: the album form njc ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Ella sings Coyote/Aretha ["Brenda J. Walker" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:59:25 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) I recently purchased Bruce Hornsby's Spirit Trail and Here Come The Noise Makers CDs and have been listening to them at work. His music is really beautiful - I just love it! I know he has been around for awhile, but nobody here ever talks about him. Is it because you don't know about him? He mostly plays piano, but also organ and the dreaded ~accordion~. He has a great voice and his lyrics and melodies have a lot of heart. I have two of his other CDs - Hot House and Harbor Lights - and one LP - A Night On The Town. I especially love Hot House. He played with Grateful Dead for a time - not sure how long - then starting doing his own CDs. He has a website: http://www.brucehornsby.com/ where you can order his CDs and two music books containing transcriptions of his songs, and some other stuff. Marian Vienna NP: Sneaking Up On Boo Radley - Bruce Hornsby - from Here Come The Noise Makers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:31:20 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: the album form NJC I think singles are the essence of great pop/rock/soul music. No album can compare with the wow of hearing something like I Heard It Through The Grapevine for the first time. This kind of music continues to be about hit songs. Albums are just a convenient and economically viable way of packaging some hit songs interspersed with some filler or not so hit songs. Almost nobody of consequence in this type of music writes long suites. Joni has only one song that would not fit on one side of a 7 inch single. Mediocrities such as Texas and Dido flourish just as easily on single or album format. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: LSD and lestat ... and JT lyrics (NJC, really) These two things, back to back: > picture yourself on a boat with joni with marmalade dreams > and lookingglass eyes...suddenly lestat appears right before you > and pees on de roses and makes hairballish cries... > I don't think of Joni as a calming presence like the lady in this song. > I think of her more as someone who runs around alarming people. and first thing in the morning have me sitting here in a FIT OF GIGGLES! : D Thanks, Shane and Deb! Lori near DC ~ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:05:04 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: emerson, lake, palmer I just recently bought ELP's Trilogy mobile fidelity cd and listened to it...no, cranked it up last night. It was frightening how gooood it sounded. They were one helluva band. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:21:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Any America fans here?(NJC) <> You can put me in the bunch of folks who like America, their first three records, anyway... Their debut was a gem, even though Horse With No Name had some somewhat silly lyrics it was a good tune in a psychedelic western sorta way...Homecoming is even better, with Ventura Highway, Head & Heart, Only in Your Heart (which me and Paz are gonna try and pull off at Jonifest 2001, I hope...)and more great stuff. Beautiful harmonies. Their masterwork was up next, Hat Trick. OK, I admit it, I must be a slut par excellence, cuz I even like Muskrat Love on this record. Some great players on this one, including Joe Walsh, and America pushed their sound past the soft-guitar of Homecoming. After that, they were downhill, focusing more on coming up with new "H" words for their albums than on writing stellar songs. They got overly poppy and sappy, changed from trio to duet to solo and back again. But for those first three records, they were stardust, they were golden... I saw them once, in Raleigh's Dorton Arena, a cow palace. They were OK, but blowing them out of the water was Burton Cummings, touring his first solo record (remember "Stand Tall"?) but eschewing most of that to do old Guess Who stuff with his band..."These Eyes", "Laughing", "American Woman", "Undone"...he kicked ass bigtime. The other highlight of the show for me was an incident that happened in the audience. This Mom was sitting behind us with her two pre-pubescent kids, who were trying to be cool in spite of the very uptight Mom, who figured that the kids would surely be bowing to Beelzebub by the end of the evening. Well, once the Mom smelled some pot, she went ballistic, stood up and made an attempt to pick out who was smoking it. Once she sat back down, a Coke "accidentally" spilled on her...OK, I'm an adult now, and this is a very immature thing, but back then I thought it was funny as hell! Bob NP: Living Colour, "This Is The Life" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:32:45 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) > I have two of his other CDs - Hot House and Harbor Lights - and one LP - A > Night On The Town. I especially love Hot House. He played with Grateful > Dead for a time - not sure how long - then starting doing his own CDs. Bruce Hornsby played with the Dead intermittently in the early nineties for several years along with their fulltime (ex-tubes) keyboardist, Vince Wellnick. He used to joke and say he didn't want to officially join as a fulltime member as their previous keyboardists, Pigpen, Keith Godchaux, and Brent Mydland, had all died due to various causes. Bruce Hornsby and the Range had already put out at least a couple of albums before the Dead collaborations, including "The Way it Is." I have an interesting vinyl copy of that album signed by Bruce. The cover, music, and sleeve, are all correct but the record itself was printed as if it was an Alabama album. I got him to sign his name over where it says Alabama. Seems kind of funny now that I think about it. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:45:27 -0400 From: slarty Subject: New Midi File Believe it or not I still maintain the midi file section on the JMDL site. Unfortunately I rarely find new ones and with Napster and other mp3 sites being so popular midi files are in decline. Be that as it may I have found a new version of Both Sides Now and if you are interested in Midi files you can find it here. http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/midi.cfm Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) well, there must be something in the air, because i have been on a big bruce kick lately--and as i was reading marian's post, bruce came on the radio! weird...anyway, i was just the other day looking around on his website, and i saw the info about his new live album. another purchase i'll have to make. spirit trail is really great, one of my favorites from him. i've seen him live many times (including with the Dead), but the best shows i've ever seen him do have always been at the telluride bluegrass festival. nothing beats hearing him do "white wheeled limousine" live with bela fleck and sam bush whipping away on banjo and mandolin. he is an amazing live performer, if you get the chance, don't miss him. alison e. in nyc np: harbor lights, an exceptionally beautiful song, on WNKU (thanks, jim, it really is a good station!) - --- Victor Johnson wrote: marian> > I have two of his other CDs - Hot House and Harbor > Lights - and one LP - A > > Night On The Town. I especially love Hot House. > He played with Grateful > > Dead for a time - not sure how long - then > starting doing his own CDs. > > Bruce Hornsby played with the Dead intermittently in > the early nineties for > several years > Victor Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:48:08 -0400 From: bbBear Subject: serious chocolate NJC Marian wrote: > I will send serious chocolate to anyone with videos of Jonatha playing > live! just want to affirm that this is truly serious yummy delicious chocolate! i was lucky enough to get some when Marian stayed at my house around the time of the first jonifest... forgot to mention in my last post - if you do come to see my movie at the philadelphia film festival, please come find me (shouldn't be too difficult) & say hi! ani sings "fuel" ('all the magazines agree with all the radios') in the film, a song that i truly love. barbara np: emmylou harris, red dirt girl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:01:54 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mailing addresses? (NJC) I need mailing addresses for Stephen in Vancouver, WallyK, Roberto and Jimmy S - finally finished the roll of film in my disposable, and want to shoot you off copies. Please send off-list. Kate, Coyote and Kakki, I have yours. There is a great shot of four different nationality jmdlers together - Wally (Argentine), Kate Bennett (US), Stephen E. (Canadian) and me (Brit) in Vancouver. Man oh man, jmdl gatherings are a blast! :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: MTV NJC RE: The sad part about watching MTV is that the commercials are usually better than the videos. That's so true! Does anyone watch MTV 2? I don't activel ywatch it, but will pause while channel surfing. They do these station id promos that are more interesting than most of the videos they play (and their video rotation is MUCH more interesting and diverse than MTV). They have a bunch of station promos that show people playing hand-made instruments. I was surprised to see a clip the other day of someone playing Harry Partch's Cloud-Chamber Bowls. I just wish they'd show more of that and less top 40 and rap videos! Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) marian, i was also going to add that if you like bruce hornsby, you might also like marc cohn. he had that song a few years back, "walking in memphis", off his first album. that whole album is really beautiful. alison e. in nyc np: cold blue steel and sweet fire, natch, given the conversations of late about FTR and james. FTR stands as one of my favorite joni albums. - --- M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > I recently purchased Bruce Hornsby's Spirit Trail > and Here Come The Noise > Makers CDs and have been listening to them at work. > His music is really > beautiful - I just love it> Marian > Vienna Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:13:35 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: A Few Fundraising Announcements Hi everyone! I've been taking a little break from the list, but it's good to be back, and I see everyone is playing nice. ;-) Some important reminders: I still very strongly encourage people to send checks in for Jim. (for those of you that are new, he was Wally's best friend, and took over JoniMitchell.com when Wally passed.) The need is great for this fundraiser, and every single dollar will make a difference. I am begging all of you to reach deep into your pockets with this particular fundraiser. Jim is battling serious medical problems at this time, and is not able to work to the capacity that he has been able to in the past. Also, the chek for Jim is a **requirement** for "admission" to the New England Labor Day Jonifest, so if you are planning on coming to the party in September, if would be great if the "admission" could be sent soon. Also........for EVERY SINGLE PERSON that sends a check in any amount, you will be eligible to win some of the WONDERFUL giveaways at Jonifest! Please make the checks out to Jim Johanson, and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA Also, a reminder about the print fundraiser. Info can be found at: http://www.jmdl.com/prints.cfm and http://www.jonimitchell.com/Fundraiser/Fundraiser.html Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:36:26 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest!!! It's time to get PSYCHED about the New England Labor Day Jonifest!! Make your reservations, send in your forms, and get ready to PARTY!!!!!!!!!! Ah....I can see some newer members saying "What the HECK is she talking about???? Go to: jmdl.com - New England JoniFest 2001: to find out! I have received very few giveaways so far. The whole list can participate in this!! If you have anything that would be great to have as a giveaway, Joni pictures, songbooks, magazines, memoribilia, CD's, videos, books, t-shirts, etc. and would like to part with them for this fun happening, please send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA Remember also that you don't have to be here in Topsfield to win something. The only requirement is to send a check in any amount, payable to Jim Johanson to the same address. A reminder to all Fest-goers and potential Fest-goers: PLEASE sign up for the Labor Day Jonifest mailing list!!! Send a blank e-mail message to: Jonifest2001-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:40:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Any America fans here?(NJC) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > The other highlight of the show for me was an > incident that happened in the audience. This Mom was > sitting behind us with her two pre-pubescent kids, > who were trying to be cool in spite of the very > uptight Mom, who figured that the kids would surely > be bowing to Beelzebub by the end of the evening. > Well, once the Mom smelled some pot, she went > ballistic, stood up and made an attempt to pick out > who was smoking it. Once she sat back down, a Coke > "accidentally" spilled on her...OK, I'm an adult > now, and this is a very immature thing, but back > then I thought it was funny as hell! > One of the kids must have been Cameron Crowe! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) - --- Alison E wrote: > well, there must be something in the air, because i > have been on a big bruce kick lately--and as i was > reading marian's post, bruce came on the radio! > weird...anyway, i was just the other day looking > around on his website, and i saw the info about his > new live album. another purchase i'll have to make. So, is Bruce one of those who refused to play the corporate games? He is one talented guy, recognized by other musicians (kind of like a certain Siquomby person), but who had maybe one or two hit singles and a hit album (not all that long ago, but I'm getting so old - it could have been 10 years or more!), then seemed to fade from view. And yet, everyone at the time thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not commercial enough? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Music-Sarah Harmer njc - --- susan+rick wrote: > I don't think I've ever seen her mentioned on this > list so I have to put in > a plug for Sarah Harmer ... > Anyway, check her out at her web site > http://www.sarahharmer.com where you > can listen to some of her stuff. Hope you like it. I > know it's been in > constant rotation in my changer for a couple of > months now. > That's a very well-designed, original website. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:48:54 -0400 From: Doug Brode Subject: Ella sings Coyote Please, NO! It would never work. These "above it all" singers just don't do well with a lot of music. Sure, Gershwin, Porter, they can do well, extremely well. But they can't do Dylan songs, or Joni sings, or Beatles songs, or others. The absolutely worst song cover I ever heard was Bing Crosby singing "Hey Jude." It was very sad to hear the great crooner tackling a song that just didn't fit his style or delivery. I cringe eery time I hear it. It was very embarrassing to listen to. Sinatra did a couple of Dylan covers too, and they were almost as bad. Obviously some producer has duped them into singing something "up with the times." What a mistake. It turns out as comedy -- not music. Ella was smart enough to stick with HER kind of music. Cheers Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:48:37 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: "Came Upon A Child of God" Hey ya'll, I bought this cd from amazon.com and got it today, but the artists names aren't listed anywhere! Can anyone help me on who is singing on this album. Which artists are singing which song? It's called "A Tribute to Joni Mitchell-Came Upon a Child of God". The songs: Big Yellow Taxi This Flight Tonight Both Sides Now You Turn Me On Woodstock-What instrument is that? Harp? Chinese Cafe Cary Help Me Chelsea Morning River I would appreciate any feedback whatsoever! Thanks, Kammy Np-Chelsea Morning-Donovan like? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:47:29 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" In a message dated 4/25/01 5:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kammass@aol.com writes: > I bought this cd from amazon.com and got it today, but the artists names > aren't listed anywhere! Can anyone help me on who is singing on this > album. > Which artists are singing which song? It's called "A Tribute to Joni > Mitchell-Came Upon a Child of God". > The songs: > Big Yellow Taxi > This Flight Tonight > Both Sides Now > You Turn Me On > Woodstock-What instrument is that? Harp? > Chinese Cafe > Cary > Help Me > Chelsea Morning > River > > I would appreciate any feedback whatsoever! > Kammass, I happened to stumble across this on ebay. A Joni Mitchell tribute cd. Long out of print and vary rare, features Sloan covering "A Case of You". Full track listing Big Faith - Free Man in Paris Sara Craig - This Flight Tonight Universal Honey - Carey Lorraine Scott - Big Yellow Taxi Molly Johnson - Black Crow Andy Stochansky - The Beat of Black Wings Marth and the Muffins - Shades of Scarlett Conquering Funky Bummer Featuring Anne Beadle - The Hissing of Summer Lawns Hugh Marsh, Jonathan Goldsmith, Rob Piltch, Martin Tielli - River Kurt Swinghammer - You Turn Me On I'M A Radio Spirit of the West - Coyote W.O.W. - Woodstock Jenny Whiteley - - Night In The City Sloan - A Case of You Squiddly Featuring Maria Del Mar - Blond In The Bleachers John Cody & Marti Jones - Songs to Aging Children Come Rocket Science Featuring Laura Hubert and Art Bergmann - Refuge of the Roads How is this CD, btw? Hope this helps. Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:43:12 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: urbane myths (njc) From Comedy Central: *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* URBAN MYTHS ABOUT URBAN LEGENDS. By Rick Larsen *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* The story about the gang members who drive with their lights off and shoot drivers who flash them was written in 1875 by Mark Twain. The rumor of the rat in the bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken was so distressing to Colonel Sanders that it led to his suicide in 1981. The woman who originated the tale of the guy who awoke in a hotel bathtub with his kidneys removed went on to write a soft-rock song about how she came up with the idea. On the recording, she accompanied herself on acoustic guitar and harmonica. It was a regional hit during a brief period in the winter of 1974-75. Every year, on the first Sunday in October, candlelight vigils are held in small towns around the world for the baby who was put in a microwave to dry. Most people relate to the story of the Mexican sewer rat that was mistaken for a Chihuahua because, at one time or another, they have mistakenly adopted vermin themselves. Over 50 percent of all traffic on the Internet consists of urban legends circulated via email. When Richard Gere angrily confronted a tabloid journalist who had printed the rumor about his liaison with a gerbil, they hit it off so well that he ultimately fathered three of her children: Jonathan Lipnicki, that little girl in the Pepsi commercials, and a boy named Seth, who is not famous, but is actually quite an accomplished vibraphone player for his age. Recounting urban legends as though they happened to you directly can improve your social standing immensely and make people like you. An Urban Legend is not just any apocryphal tale that is told as true. To qualify as an Urban Legend, a story must be officially sanctioned by the seven-member Urban Legend Committee of America. Committee members are selected on the basis of academic achievement, public service, and respectable dental history. Whenever a new president is elected, tiny white flags are flown from every rooftop in Decatur, Illinois. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:27:50 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni's influence on Bjork Bob mentioned that "a case of Joni" cd recently, and it got me to thinking about Bjork. actually, it got me thinking more about Janet Jackson- new album at last!!!! i had always thought that if Bjork were to cover any Joni song it would be the Jungle Line. but the Boho Dance is very up her alley too i guess. so anyway, slowly getting to the point, i bought Q a few weeks ago with REM on the cover. a good interview with Stevie Nicks in there too. somewhere in the news section in absolutely tiny writing is something to the effect of "visit our website...including new updated and rated discogrpahy of....Joni Mitchell" so i went to the website tonight and searched for Joni, and i came up with an article about Bjorks favourite albums, and here's what she had to say about Joni: "When I was about 10, I was listening a lot with my dad, to what he was getting into, like Frank Zappa, who I used to think was a dirty old man, but then got to appreciate a couple of years later, stuff like Don't You Eat That Yellow Snow (from Apostrophe} which I found hilarious, that someone peed in the snow and that someone else was meant to eat it. "When I was 13, though, I got into Joni Mitchell with my dad, and played it to pieces. I loved Don Juan's Reckless Daughter but Hejira was the one. It was more acoustic. I've always found guitars a bit difficult because my dad played since I was very little, and he was a bit of a Clapton and Hendrix kind of guitarist, and I've always been critical of that, but I loved her guitar sound very much, although it's very hard to say why. With hindsight, she was one of the first women I heard who weren't completely stupid. She had her own air of style and independence, whereas a lot of women just wanted to play men's music. I wasn't so much into her voice, more that she had her own world, with her own elements. You definitely knew that it was Joni the second you heard her. It was very strong, but very feminine, you know? It was natural and earthy but modern as well. "She was never my role model, though: I don't think any singer was, to be honest. Instruments influenced me more than singers, like brass and stuff. You might start puking when I say it but I never had the ambition to be a singer, I always wanted to make good music. It's like learning shorthand writing. It's not so much that you're into it, but it makes it easier to write anything. That's why I sing." GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:07:04 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: the album form njc Randy Remote wrote: > I read that the 'artists coalition' is not in favor of that but I wonder > why. I just emailed a colleague who works there and their concerns are these: 1) That the rate be set high enough to make for a worthwhile split but low enough to not discourage music use; 2) That the payments are collected independently and are made to the artists directly and not to labels who may try to recoup the amounts from unpaid balances; and 3) That performers will have rights to more than non-interactive DMCA webcasts (which is what proposals currently limit them to). When you consider the lobbying history and power that the RIAA has (along with money) the Recording Artists Coalition is going to have to work real hard to prevail on issues relative to labels. > ...one thing that occurs to me is that the current > copyright laws were written before there was widespread > ability to digitally clone copyrightable material. And to top it all off, the RIAA v. Diamond case (for the Rio) established that portable MP3 players are not recording devices under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, the law that was signed by Clinton with very little debate or discussion outside of the RIAA's lobbying. Hard drives are not recording devices either. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:05:34 EDT From: Mitch327@aol.com Subject: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks All, Hey no one ever responded to my post about "Blue" versus 'Blood On The Tracks" as best all-time album. I'm a new list member, I thought you guys would indulge me. All right, unless I hear otherwise "Blood On The Tracks" wins (this should elicit some responses). Mitch NP (Now playing?) - Kelly Joe Phelps "Lead Me On" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:21:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: rick wakeman njc ok here's the scoop. i asked wakeman if he still considered symphonic rock a relevant genre in today's music world. he said that SR was the only medium that allowed a musician nowadays to play WELL. he said that pop music didn't give any opportunity to musicians to do what they'd been trained for. i thought this answer was pretty cool because number one, it was coming from one of the last virtuosi in the history of rock and number two because it showed wakeman's commitment to his classical training even after so many years. i asked him if he felt that his son adam [also a f_king amazing keyboardist and currently playing with rick] was true to his classical training. he said that adam was even more of a purist than himself and that playing with his son was a treat in that he [rick] was challenged in every aspect of his technique [i confess that i was astonished at adam wakeman's technique!!!!!! he is arguably the only heir to the wakeman/emerson throne]. i also asked wakeman how far into the composition of relayer he had gone before he withdrew from the project. he didn't seem to like the question very much and he gave some bullshit about how everything was a team effort, blah blah blah. i wanted to know whether the keyboard parts had really been written by moraz [the cd credits say so but i have the impression that the original album notes were not clear about it] but wakeman changed the subject and began talking about buenos aires and why he had chosen this city to record his new album [he told me tat it will include music from return to the center of the earth and something i didn't catch!!!! he has a british accent...]. well, the rest of the talk was about argentina and buenos aires, so you probably won't be interested. in any case, when i [ever the crass interviewer] tried to steer the conversation back to yes, he ''politely'' said that his current band was the best band he had ever played with. i guess that he was trying to make a point there so i didn't bother him anymore. i have a couple of cool pictures of wakeman that i took at a local record store before his concerts. if you want i can e-mail them. if i remember anything else, i'll post about it! wallyK, the nancy drew of symphonic rock - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Michael Paz Enviado el: Martes, 24 de Abril de 2001 09:44 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc YES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh My Gawd! More details you big tease. I just talked to Yes's current road manager who invited me out to see them in Atlanta on Aug 18 (I think if thats the Sat.) and I think i am gonna do it. Rick of course WILL NOT be there as he was replaced by Igor a couple years back. They ARE playing with an orchestra so it should be incredible. I would love to hook uo with any JMDL'ers in the area Victor, Bob, et al. But anyways I DIGRESS!! More info on what Rick said Wally come on??????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:37:32 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks In a message dated 4/25/01 9:11:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mitch327@aol.com writes: << All, Hey no one ever responded to my post about "Blue" versus 'Blood On The Tracks" as best all-time album. I'm a new list member, I thought you guys would indulge me. All right, unless I hear otherwise "Blood On The Tracks" wins (this should elicit some responses). Mitch >> Sorry, but I agreed with the recent poll that voted "Revolver" the best all-time. And though I love Joni and like Dylan, especially Blood on the Tracks, neither of those would be in my top 5. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:47 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: the album form njc "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > And to top it all off, the RIAA v. Diamond case (for the Rio) established that > Hard drives are not recording devices either. That should come as a surprise to the major studios and recording engineers, half of whom are using ProTools! Really confused now, RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:56:23 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: emerson, lake, palmer In my book, one of the best albums ever Mike Hicks wrote: > I just recently bought ELP's Trilogy mobile fidelity cd and listened > to it...no, cranked it up last night. It was frightening how gooood > it sounded. They were one helluva band. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:41:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Ella sings Coyote doug! that's so true! why is it that opera singers sound so ridiculous when they try pop and that big jazz names can't do pop and that nobody can do pop except pop singers? what's with pop that's so elusive anyway??????? wallyK, sooner a crossdresser than a crossover - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Doug Brode Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Abril de 2001 05:49 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Ella sings Coyote Please, NO! It would never work. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:46:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: covers question bob forgive my inattention!!!!! has dolby's version of the jungle line been included in any of the MAHVELOUS cover cd's? what about blossom dearie's both sides now? wallyK, losing count ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:39:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Came Upon A Child of God" << I happened to stumble across this on ebay. >> Rose, the info you gave Kammy was incorrect. But you meant well! :~) The CD Rose described was a Canadian trib from 1992 called "Back To The Garden". I like it, but it's pretty radical. It was treed as a tape, I'll be glad to burn a CD of it for anybody who's interested. It's now out of print and available only on E-Bay, or from a kind JMDL'er! Now, Kammy, on to YOUR CD, the "Came Upon A Child of God"...the 2000 UK trib. They did not list the artists, but here they are: 1. Big Yellow Taxi - Vera Haime 2. This Flight Tonight - E-Clypse 3. Both Sides Now - Treasure 4. You Turn Me On - Vera Haime 5. Woodstock - Retail Snail 6. Chinese Cafe - David Hay 7. Carey - Vera Haime 8. Help Me - English Girls 9. Chelsea Morning - Ralph Martin Willey 10. River - Jennifer Hollywood All in all, this is pretty unspectacular. The Chinese Cafe is good, as it's the only cover of that one that I know of. And I like the arrangement of Chelsea Morning. The rest of it is pretty plain-jane. Bob NP: The Band, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:46:22 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Ella sings Coyote NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > doug! that's so true! why is it that opera singers sound so ridiculous when > they try pop and that big jazz names can't do pop and that nobody can do pop > except pop singers? what's with pop that's so elusive anyway??????? I think the training to sing opera requires very different skills than pop singing - the nature of the music, unamplified, its very form, requires something totally different in vocal development. It is just such a different form of singing. Jazz again requires different vocal skills. Pop has its own demands. I think it is like running: those who can do marathons are pretty bad in dashes, and those trained in middle distances can't run dashes not marathons well at all. Different things are required, different talents, training, muscle utilization. The opera singer who is trained to project un-miked to a 3.000-4,000 seat hall with certain requirements in enunciation is going to overwhelm a pop song. A pop singer sounds thin and reedy, at best amateurish, singing classical or opera. And only a trained jazz singer - or gifted untrained jazz singer - can handle the demands of that medium; can one imagine Samuel Ramey doing scat? I shutter at the thought... but even Aretha Franklin's Nessum Dorma at the Grammies was weak, although an act of great integrity, courage, and she carried it off well, but that praise is limited (with my great passion for Aretha and all her sisters, Erma being my old buddy) to the circumstances in which she sang it. Put her on the Lyric Opera stage and she'd be no good. Then again, Dawn Upshaw cannot touch the Queen of Soul on Aretha's turf. There are many styles of vocal music, many differing demands, and our lives are enriched by the artists in each of the musical genres. (the Rev Vince) NP: Oakland vs White Sox, 1-1 in the top of the 9th ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:50:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue versus Blood On The Tracks NJC << Hey no one ever responded to my post about "Blue" versus 'Blood On The Tracks" as best all-time album. I'm a new list member, I thought you guys would indulge me. All right, unless I hear otherwise "Blood On The Tracks" wins (this should elicit some responses). >> Well Mitch, there would be as many answers to your question as there are members on the list or even grains of sand on the beach! Both of these records are great, and I love the fact that I can listen to them both, and Revolver too! But none of those would top MY list... Now, if you want to be OBJECTIVE, the best all-time album based on sales (as opposed to a subjective basis) would be "The Eagles Greatest Hits" (27 million copies, it just passed "Thriller"). Certainly not on my desert island list, but you can't dispute the fact that more folks have picked this one up than any other, including Richard Clayderman, Boxcar Willie, and Zamfir & the Pan Flute! :~) Bob NP: The Band, "Whispering Pines" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:13:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: covers question Got the Dolby. Need the Dearie. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:32:16 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni cite in the National Enquirer http://www.nationalenquirer.com:80/breakingnews/breakingnews.cfm?instanceid=2770 IT'S A 'WHITE CHRISTMAS' for DOWNEY JR. Just a few months ago, Robert Downey Jr. was singing the blues behind bars ? now hes singing Christmas music! The latest addition to Ally McBeal joins his fellow cast members on the upcoming A Very Ally Christmas. Just six weeks out of the slammer, Downey was locked up in a recording studio after he landed his role on the popular FOX series. He contributes his vocal talent to two tracks on the disc, a cover of Joni Mitchells "River" and a duet with Ally music director Vonda Shephard on the classic "White Christmas." "Hes such a good actor and it translates musically as well," explained Shephard, who produced the album and sings on most of the tracks. "I think his passion and his pain and his longing come out through his voice." His passion and his pain? Oh, please! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:40:25 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Bruce Hornsby (NJC) Synchronicity!!!! I worked with Hornsby a few years back at Jazz Fest and he was wonderful to be around. Before his set we were hanging out backstage and he was talking to me for awhile and we exchanged war stories about the industry etc. We strated talking about our kids and sharing music with them and he shared this with me about his. He sez his kids have a sort of love/hate relationship with music, cause they LOVE sitting around the house playing and singing with dad, yet, they KNOW that is what takes dad away from them and keeps him working on the road so much. I have loved his music since the beginning and actually cover The Way It is and Mandolin Rain my ownself. I love his approach to keyboards.. Paz on 4/25/01 6:51 AM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > well, there must be something in the air, because i > have been on a big bruce kick lately--and as i was > reading marian's post, bruce came on the radio! > weird...anyway, i was just the other day looking > around on his website, and i saw the info about his > new live album. another purchase i'll have to make. > spirit trail is really great, one of my favorites from > him. i've seen him live many times (including with the > Dead), but the best shows i've ever seen him do have > always been at the telluride bluegrass festival. > nothing beats hearing him do "white wheeled limousine" > live with bela fleck and sam bush whipping away on > banjo and mandolin. he is an amazing live performer, > if you get the chance, don't miss him. > alison e. in nyc > np: harbor lights, an exceptionally beautiful song, on > WNKU (thanks, jim, it really is a good station!) > > --- Victor Johnson wrote: > marian> > I have two of his other CDs - Hot House and > Harbor >> Lights - and one LP - A >>> Night On The Town. I especially love Hot House. >> He played with Grateful >>> Dead for a time - not sure how long - then >> starting doing his own CDs. >> >> Bruce Hornsby played with the Dead intermittently in >> the early nineties for >> several years >> Victor > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:43:13 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni and women overlooked! http://www.usnews.com:80/usnews/issue/010430/music.htm Science & Ideas 4/30/01 Rewriting women and rock A new history helps set the record straight By Dan Gilgoff In the 1950s, male audiences jeered Big Mama Thornton if her voice sounded less than perfect, since she didn't offer much in the way of looks. Sixties-era production guru Phil Spector forced his wife, Ronnie, leader of the Ronettes, to drive with a blowup doll in the passenger's seat when he couldn't chaperone her himself. And Linda Ronstadt was so intimidated by male musicians when her solo career took off in the '70s that she constantly apologized for being "not that good of a singer." These are a few of the less glamorous vignettes collected in We Gotta Get Out of This Place, a new history of female rockers by longtime Rolling Stone Hirshey. Her book joins a flurry of recent literature aimed at setting the record straight on women's roles in the evolution of rock-and-roll. Credit report. Part of the problem has been faulty attribution. Ronnie Spector she has read books "crediting a man for certain things and romanticizing what they did to discover me, and it's not remotely accurate." Although Robert Johnson and Muddy Waters get credit for laying down rock's foundation with the blues, the first black blues vocal recording was Mamie Smith's "Crazy Blues," in 1920. In fact, women who sang the blues early on were actually better paid than men, with Bessie Smith earning nearly 15 times what the average black male singer made. But history has also distorted the significance of acknowledged leaders in the field. Carole King, who wrote or cowrote rock staples like "Will You Love Me Tomorrow," "The Loco-Motion," and "Natural Woman," is a far less respected member of the rock pantheon han Jim Morrison, who gets credit for hits he didn't even author, like "Light My Fire." New York Times critic Ann Powers, who has edited and contributed to anthologies about female musicians, says that male artists continue to hog the historical spotlight. "Are there 20 biographies of Joni Mitchell the way there are of Bob Dylan?" she asks. "I don't think so." When Rolling Stone released its Illustrated History of Rock & Roll in 1992, only four of nearly 100 chapters were devoted to women. The Ronettes, the Crystals, and the Shangri-Las were squeezed into a three-page chapter titled "The Girl Groups." An entire chapter went to Phil Spector alone. {for more good stuff, click the link above} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:48:52 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: rick wakeman njc Thanks for the info Wally. i would love to see the pics. Glad you got a chance to meet him. I met his several times along the way at different Yes shows and got a chance to have a beer with him once in Houston. He is one of the most amazing players of all time for me. I am absolutely queer for Yes and have seen them 20-something times. One year 4 times on the same tour (talk about queer!!!) I have yet to hear of any of Adam's recordings but have heard that he IS amazing. Hope they come to NO soon. Thanks again Paz NP-Grey Street-Dave Matthews Band(from the Lillywhite Sessions) on 4/25/01 5:21 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > ok here's the scoop. > i asked wakeman if he still considered symphonic rock a relevant genre in > today's music world. he said that SR was the only medium that allowed a > musician nowadays to play WELL. he said that pop music didn't give any > opportunity to musicians to do what they'd been trained for. i thought this > answer was pretty cool because number one, it was coming from one of the > last virtuosi in the history of rock and number two because it showed > wakeman's commitment to his classical training even after so many years. i > asked him if he felt that his son adam [also a f_king amazing keyboardist > and currently playing with rick] was true to his classical training. he said > that adam was even more of a purist than himself and that playing with his > son was a treat in that he [rick] was challenged in every aspect of his > technique [i confess that i was astonished at adam wakeman's technique!!!!!! > he is arguably the only heir to the wakeman/emerson throne]. i also asked > wakeman how far into the composition of relayer he had gone before he > withdrew from the project. he didn't seem to like the question very much and > he gave some bullshit about how everything was a team effort, blah blah > blah. i wanted to know whether the keyboard parts had really been written by > moraz [the cd credits say so but i have the impression that the original > album notes were not clear about it] but wakeman changed the subject and > began talking about buenos aires and why he had chosen this city to record > his new album [he told me tat it will include music from return to the > center of the earth and something i didn't catch!!!! he has a british > accent...]. well, the rest of the talk was about argentina and buenos aires, > so you probably won't be interested. in any case, when i [ever the crass > interviewer] tried to steer the conversation back to yes, he ''politely'' > said that his current band was the best band he had ever played with. i > guess that he was trying to make a point there so i didn't bother him > anymore. > i have a couple of cool pictures of wakeman that i took at a local record > store before his concerts. if you want i can e-mail them. > if i remember anything else, i'll post about it! > wallyK, the nancy drew of symphonic rock > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Michael > Paz > Enviado el: Martes, 24 de Abril de 2001 09:44 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc > > > YES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh My Gawd! More details you big tease. I just talked to > Yes's current road manager who invited me out to see them in Atlanta on Aug > 18 (I think if thats the Sat.) and I think i am gonna do it. Rick of course > WILL NOT be there as he was replaced by Igor a couple years back. They ARE > playing with an orchestra so it should be incredible. I would love to hook > uo with any JMDL'ers in the area Victor, Bob, et al. But anyways I DIGRESS!! > More info on what Rick said Wally come on??????? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:49:26 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: the album form njc That ruling was made because the hard drive has other substantial uses beside recording music. Therefore, the RIAA was unable to argue that it was a recording device under the DMCA. Randy Remote wrote: > "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > > And to top it all off, the RIAA v. Diamond case (for the Rio) established that > > > Hard drives are not recording devices either. > > That should come as a surprise to the major studios and recording > engineers, half of whom are using ProTools! > Really confused now, > RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:53:30 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Ella sings Coyote/Aretha One singer has done them all . . . plus gospel and blues.... Aretha Franklin. Wally Kairuz wrote: > doug! that's so true! why is it that opera singers sound so ridiculous when > they try pop and that big jazz names can't do pop and that nobody can do pop > except pop singers? what's with pop that's so elusive anyway??????? > wallyK, sooner a crossdresser than a crossover > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Doug > Brode > Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Abril de 2001 05:49 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Ella sings Coyote > > Please, NO! > > It would never work. > Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:13:27 -0600 From: evian Subject: the album form njc now My fellow Canuck Catherine wrote: > Someone at work (who actually > watches Millionaire!?!) tells me the high-paying > question the other night was "What was Mrs. Brady's > maiden name"? (from the Brady Bunch.) Who the hell > CARES? Knowing the answer to something like that has > nothing to do with intelligence. We are a > trivia-based society. I suggest that's a symptom of > corruption, but correct me if I'm wrong. > Well, call me corrupted hillbilly white trailer trash, but that kind of pop culture fluffy crap is just the sort of stuff that I have fun with. A couple weeks ago, I emailed my best friend Michelle info about a tape someone was selling on ebay of 42 episodes of "The Facts of Life" and then we got on the phone and discussed all the episodes listed (Damn you Americans for getting Nick at Nite! I'd kill for Facts of Life, but I digress). This sort of thing is more part of my generation's need to reminisce than it is some sort of moral corruption. For someone who grew up in the 70's and 80's on Wonder Bread, Bubble Yum, 22 hours of television a day, etc., all of pop culture, good and bad, becomes part of our collective past, and I relish it for what it's worth. And damn, what WAS Mrs. Brady's maiden name?? By the way, y'all should watch the Simpsons, which I still think is the best satire and commentary on popular culture around. And, That 70's Show is something I never miss either! Of course, I was told by my 18 year old nephew tonight that "At your age, being over the hill, you shouldn't be a slave to fashion anymore because you are too old", so what the hell do I know? Have a good week y'all, Evian np: Family Feud on the Gameshow Network -- yes, I'll be getting the double wide real soon! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #193 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?