From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #192 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 192 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc [Michael Paz ] Ian Whitcomb (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #130 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc [Randy Remote ] Re: the album form njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Casa Alegre (NJC) [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Hackberry Ramblers (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Re : the album form NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: the album form njc [Randy Remote ] Robert Downey, Jr. (njc) ["Kakki" ] Any America fans here?(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] RE: Corrections..... NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: the album form/this year's new music NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc ["Victor Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:43:38 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc YES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh My Gawd! More details you big tease. I just talked to Yes's current road manager who invited me out to see them in Atlanta on Aug 18 (I think if thats the Sat.) and I think i am gonna do it. Rick of course WILL NOT be there as he was replaced by Igor a couple years back. They ARE playing with an orchestra so it should be incredible. I would love to hook uo with any JMDL'ers in the area Victor, Bob, et al. But anyways I DIGRESS!! More info on what Rick said Wally come on??????? Paz NP-Nothin But Trouble-Charlie Hunter on 4/24/01 1:14 AM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > i'm just back from having the most delightful conversation with legendary > keyboardist rick wakeman. wakeman has just finished playing a series of > concerts in buenos aires and he was kind enough to receive a bunch of > friends and me backstage. we spoke about many things: his days with yes, his > relationship with howe, anderson and squire, and his next album. he said > that if he had enough money [!!!] he would buy an apartment in buenos aires. > nothing big: one bedroom and another room to put his grand piano. he said > this is the city where he has written his best music. [close to the edge? i > wanted to ask, but i thought better.] > > we are in the middle of the buenos aires independent film festival, and > torontonian enfant terrible bruce labruce is the star of the moment. every > night this week from 1 am to 3 am [that's the time we go to the movies here] > his gay hardcore movies will be shown in the theater district. i swear i > think i saw my mother on opening night. my friend/daughter willie and i will > spend the wee hours of thursday morning indulging in labruce's visions; > namely, wall-to-wall dick. > > and that's all the news that fits on this nippy autumn morning in BA. thanks > for watching. > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:51:30 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Corrections..... NJC I think this is REALLY incorrect. I don't think the Beatles were brolen up by Linda OR Yoko for that matter. I think the constant demand of the job, there horrendously huge egos, and all the elements involved in the biz, took it's toll on them as a group and made it impossible to go on. Later Paz NP-Epistrophy-Charlie Hunter on 4/24/01 5:33 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@home.com wrote: > Yesterday, I blamed "Linda McCartney" for the breakup of the Beatles. This > is, as I'm sure many have noticed, incorrect. > > The Beatles were, of course, broken up by "Linda Eastman", as she was known > then. > > This of, course is another stupid attempt at humor as we all know that Yoko > broke up the band. :) > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:11:23 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Ian Whitcomb (NJC) Philip wrote: >Yes I believe he went to Trinity and was in some beat groups in Dublin in >the 60s. That makes him more irish the most of the irish soccer team, >who were mostly born in England :) LOL! :) So, us Brits are good for SOMETHING, eh? :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:53:46 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #130 In a message dated 4/24/01 3:29:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I know that James Taylor wrote "Something in the Way She Moves" about his relationship with Joni Mitchell. Did Joni write a song about James? >> I don't think so ... nineteen year old Taylor hadn't met Joni at this point. Perhaps she made a tip of the hat to Taylor in See You Sometime ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:21:18 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc Wow, I'm flashing back to Winterland, Topographic Oceans Tour, the classic Yes lineup. When Wakeman did his 20 minute solo section, looking like God in a floor-length silver-metallic cape, his golden hair halfway to his waist, one hand playing one keyboard, the other riffing impossibly on another one in an opposite direction, playing stuff from the "Henry the VIII" album-the organ blaring with 20,000 watts of Bill Grahams' best sound system-wow-this shit is kicking in-the crowd is totally with this-I uh-,,,,,oh yeah,,, I mean that was a high point.... Cool you got to meet him RR Wally Kairuz wrote: > i'm just back from having the most delightful conversation with legendary > keyboardist rick wakeman. wakeman has just finished playing a series of > concerts in buenos aires and he was kind enough to receive a bunch of > friends and me backstage. we spoke about many things: his days with yes, his > relationship with howe, anderson and squire, and his next album. he said > that if he had enough money [!!!] he would buy an apartment in buenos aires. > nothing big: one bedroom and another room to put his grand piano. he said > this is the city where he has written his best music. [close to the edge? i > wanted to ask, but i thought better.] > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:28:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: the album form njc Chris Marshall wrote: > The guy from Sony (perhaps not the same one?) said something along the lines of:- > > we'll firewall (or filter, if you like) you at the service > (i.e. Napster, Gnutella) > we'll firewall you at your ISP > we'll firewall you on your PC > Ho ho ho. The > day my hard drive makes the decision not to store something because > it thinks it's copyright is the day I abandon computers and start > sheep herding. Consider what happened to the C-band (big dish) satellite market- In the early '80's, HBO, MTV, ESPN, everything was free and unscrambled. They waited until the backyard dish market had expanded as much as it could-then slowly but surely digitally encrypted (scrambled) everything and started charging for it. In my most paranoid moments, I wonder if that could happen to the internet. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:49:28 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: Casa Alegre (NJC) In a message dated 04/24/2001 3:59:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes, (actually didn't Dulson write that? F---ing AOL.) << Joni people are the best, n'est-ce pas? >> I'll say AmenI to that line. I even dared to have some non-Joni (not-yet-converted) people in attendance. Some said a brave move on my part. Including Bradley. The next few days, my phone rang off the hook about "how nice Jimmy is," and "How totally cool the Dulson's are (and what's their phone number?)," followed by Clark is so talented, I can't believe he likes Joni Mitchell. Is he single?" then, "Kakki's like a Rolodex of music and List memorabilia. Has she eve been on Rock-N-Roll Jeopardy?" and finally, "Ken and Steve have really been together twenty years? All the time in Los Angeles?" My favorite, from a real newbie to my life and house, "Oh, I thought Joni Mitchell was gonna be there." My response to the latter, "It was a Jimmy-fest, not a Joni-fest! She's too busy painting a JMDL commemorative piece (yes, I modeled for all of you -- you should see me in Kakki drag, not to mention my interpretation of Jimmy's hairstyle) and packing her instruments for her until-now-secret Topsfield tour over Labor Day weekend." Anyway, you guys done me proud! I'm buying another bottle of Strawberry Hill. It was so popular! Hear it went down to you like a fine liquor. I am now in Austin till Sunday, so you know what it's like when I am on one of those biz trips, get your finger well-rehersed with the delete key - lots more posts coming! I promise no more on the electricity crisis! No regrets (heck, maybe for you), Coyote Rick Omni Hotel Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:03:20 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Hackberry Ramblers (NJC) Hey Steve- I meant to tell you that the Hackberry Ramblers are gonna be on Jukebox on May 3 along with San Fransisco based (friends of julius) D'Amphibians, and Blue Note artist Charlie Hunter. Have you ever heard of the Hackberry's? I thought since they are on the acoustic side of things you might be hip to them. They have been on once before and they are wonderful. Wish you were gonna be here for Jazz Fest along with the rest of the JMDL as well. Take care. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:03:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Re : the album form NJC Jason Maloney wrote: > For example, how about these albums: > > Kings Of Convenience - Quiet Is The New Loud > Neil Finn - One Nil > Shawn Colvin - A Whole New You > Turin Brakes - The Optimist > Jonatha Brooke - Steady Pull > Roland Orzabal - Tomcats Screaming Outside > > ...and these singles: > > Texas - Inner Smile > Outkast- Ms Jackson > Dido - Here With Me > Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood > Starsailor - Good Souls > Sugababes - Run For Cover > The Avalanches - Since I Left You > > ....not to mention the fact that both Eva Cassidy's Songbird and No > Angel by Dido have topped the UK album charts in 2001. > > Yes, if you turn on the TV and/or radio you are more likely than not > going to be swamped with tacky, brainless pop that has more to do with > selling image and sex (and I often can't tell the commericals from the > actual videos), The sad part about watching MTV is that the commercials are usually better than the videos. I like some of Nelly Furtado's stuff-it is commercial but good at the same time, and she writes her own stuff, plays and produces. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:04:26 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: the album form njc Thanks for clarifying some of this stuff. Your perspective is always illuminating. It seems to me that a statuatory rate would be the way to go. I read that the 'artists coalition' is not in favor of that but I wonder why. Concerning libraries: one thing that occurs to me is that the current copyright laws were written before there was widespread ability to digitally clone copyrightable material. Fair use when it was a book was a different matter. You couldn't copy it easily, copying LP's was more cumbersome and technically challenging than ripping and burning a CD. Not sure what the answer is, but the terrain has changed. Concerning the surtax on recording tape, music CDR's, and (consumer) recording equipment: The royalties to artists are divided up according to sales, so every time you buy one of these items, Britney, Radiohead, Celine, Eminem, Pink Floyd, Beatles, etc get a check. Neat, huh? RR "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > Randy Remote wrote: > > > They have said they do not intend to do that (for now?)-they > > know it would be suicide to their public image. Technology > > exists that can identify the 'fingerprint' of any recorded work- > > it is already being used to collect royalties-a search engine of > > that type is another possible way of dealing with it. > > The MPAA (movies) has already begun this process with Gnutella users and their > ISP's. One guy from Sony made a comment a few months ago that they would go as > far as snooping on hard drives and cracking down on a few individuals to make > the point. > > > > > But what is a library, exactly? > > There is a specific definition of a public institutions. So unless you bought > Tower and gave it to the public, you wouldn't be able to do that. > > > > As far as subscription services go, they are going to fail because the > > > major labels won't join together to do it, > > > > I thought 4 of the 5 majors had made a deal with Napster. I agree > > that if they fragment their catalogs to different providers, they will > > kill the golden goose. > > BMG (who owns a stake in Napster now) has given up on trying to get the other > majors to play ball with them. Warner, EMI and Sony are doing an AOL thing > involving Real (how much does Real audio suck??). And Universal has it's > service Duet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:57:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Robert Downey, Jr. (njc) Sad news - Robert Downey, Jr. was arrested early this morning for being under the "influence of a controlled substance" while walking in an alley in Culver City. He immediately checked into rehab again. I was halfway tempted to go Virgin tonight to see him and Vonda Shepard. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:59:07 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Any America fans here?(NJC) I'm a big fan of the band "America".I saw them a while ago at Mohegan Sun Casino. They were really good, they sounded just like they do on record. anyone else here like America? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:11:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Corrections..... NJC " A light that burns twice as bright only burns half as long. And you, my friend have burned so very, very brightly." Lama > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz [mailto:jmichaelpaz@telocity.com] > I think this is REALLY incorrect. I don't think the Beatles were brolen up > by Linda OR Yoko for that matter. I think the constant demand of the job, > there horrendously huge egos, and all the elements involved in > the biz, took > it's toll on them as a group and made it impossible to go on. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 04:07:51 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: the album form/this year's new music NJC Thanks Brenda, it's a pertinent slice of info about their sales performance with each album. I've only just heard of Outkast this year (in the UK, Ms Jackson was pretty much their breakthrough), but I read they'd been around for some time. I should've rephrased my post as "great new music this year", not necessarily new acts per se! Others I could (and should) have added to my list were Nelly Furtado (thanks for the reminder, Randy) and Shea Seger. Semisonic's latest album is also reported to be quite sensationally good, while an honourable mention also goes to David Gray's stunning Lost Songs 95-98 collection, which upon reissue this year reached the UK top 10. It's acts like these which keep the flame burning bright through the oppressive smog of mass-produced unit-shifters. Music seems anything but dead and buried at the moment, as in terms of cultural currency the net and technology in general have breathed new life into music's role in society. MTV/VH-1 etc have also revived the music video as an artform. Digital TV in the UK has around a dozen music channels running 24/7, often without presenters and - during the small hours - very few ad breaks. The range of acts is pleasingly diverse, too. Flick around long enough and you'll find just as many Badly Drawn Boys, Didos and Starsailors as you will J Los, Destiny's Childs (Children?) and Janets. Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk Brenda J. Walker wrote: > > Right on Jason... > > Just wanted to add that Outkast (listed under your singles) released their > first album in '94...the album that containing Ms Jackson (Stankonia) is > their fourth. > > Each album has sold more than a million units, with their numbers > progressively growing to nearly 8 million in sales over their career with > very little MTV or pop radio play (prior to Ms Jackson). > > And the album was widely traded on Napster before debuting at #2 on the > album chart and remaining in the top 20 for three months. > > They have a true album sales fan base. > > Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:03:29 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Corrections..... NJC Yes, I agree. Many people love to use Yoko and Linda as scapegoats. "Well, it was those damn broads." It is as if people were jealous of Paul and John getting married, as if they needed to be single (even though John was already married previously to CYnthia) BUt, what i am trying to say is picture you are in a band, you are 18-20. YOu and the other 3 band mates love playing together, you become famous, you live under this fish bowl under scrupulous attention of the public eye. Flashforward ten years, you are 30, much more mature, you want to be on your own, you love those guys but, it is starting to wear on you. I can imagine they may have thought these things. I wouldnt know really how they felt, this is just a dramatization of my somewhat offbeat thought process. It is good the Beatles broke up. Everyting great/good must end sometime, I suppose. ANd they did it before their songwriting craft got a little bit sloppy and uncohesive as it did in the mid 70's. (Not saying all their post-Beatles work was bad, just a bit trite, like some songs on Lennon's 'Mind Games' and WIng's "Silly Love Songs" and we cant forget Mr. Starkey's "Get Back Boogaloo" from '72.) Speaking of, I saw this hilarious video clip/promo of that song on MTV2 a long time ago. It is Ringo in a forest Being chased by this creature that looks like something from H.R. Puff n' Stuff. Really funny/weird Night blair NP: You're my Thrill, BSN, The Pink Peacock of Poetic Pleasure. >From: Michael Paz >Reply-To: Michael Paz >To: "Jim L'Hommedieu" , _JMDL >Subject: Re: Corrections..... NJC >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:51:30 -0700 > >I think this is REALLY incorrect. I don't think the Beatles were brolen up >by Linda OR Yoko for that matter. I think the constant demand of the job, >there horrendously huge egos, and all the elements involved in the biz, >took >it's toll on them as a group and made it impossible to go on. > >Later > >Paz > >NP-Epistrophy-Charlie Hunter > >on 4/24/01 5:33 AM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@home.com wrote: > > > > Yesterday, I blamed "Linda McCartney" for the breakup of the Beatles. >This > > is, as I'm sure many have noticed, incorrect. > > > > The Beatles were, of course, broken up by "Linda Eastman", as she was >known > > then. > > > > This of, course is another stupid attempt at humor as we all know that >Yoko > > broke up the band. :) > > > > Jim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:18:36 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: rick wakeman/bruce labruce njc > YES!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh My Gawd! More details you big tease. I just talked to > Yes's current road manager who invited me out to see them in Atlanta on Aug > 18 (I think if thats the Sat.) and I think i am gonna do it. Rick of course > WILL NOT be there as he was replaced by Igor a couple years back. They ARE > playing with an orchestra so it should be incredible. I would love to hook > uo with any JMDL'ers in the area Victor, Bob, et al I'm definately planning on going! I'll have to talk to you more about this... Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:24:00 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: New Music-Sarah Harmer njc I don't think I've ever seen her mentioned on this list so I have to put in a plug for Sarah Harmer, a Canadian who lost out to Nelly Furtado in the Juno awards for best new artist. Sarah's music is very up-front and personal, very much based on her own experiences. I'm always reminded of Joni's lines "Remember the days when you used to sit and make up your tunes for love and pour your simple sorrow to the sound hole and your knee." The arrangements on her album "You Were Here" are very simple and kind of unpolished, often giving the feeling of being recorded in one take. I saw her live recently and the sound was almost identical to the sound on the album (minus obvious embellishments like the occasional horn line.) Her voice is mixed way up front, giving a real sense of the personal quality of her lyrics. (And her song Open Window was written expressly for my niece's wedding but that's only how I was introduced to her music not why I like her so much.) Anyway, check her out at her web site http://www.sarahharmer.com where you can listen to some of her stuff. Hope you like it. I know it's been in constant rotation in my changer for a couple of months now. Ranger Rick who just found out the Emmylou Harris Gram Parsons tribute is on TV right now. Quick, someone grab me a blank tape. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #192 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?