From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 187 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's popularity in the 70's, SJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Black Crow covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] FTR/ 1972 McGovern Tour question ["janine sherman" ] Walk On By - the history of the popular song [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay ["Paul Pennington" ] Joni to appear at Toronto's Harbourfront? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni to appear at Toronto's Harbourfront? [mags ] [none] ["shane mattison" ] Re: Black Crow covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: NJC[Fwd: Hirahara's News] ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC[Fwd: Hirahara's News] [Catherine McKay ] Walk on By ["Paul Castle" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:48:56 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's popularity in the 70's, SJC BachelorNumero2 said: > Well, "Hejira" had no singles that charted, nor did "Don > Juan"............(why does everyone say that "Mingus" > killed her radio > airplay when it looks like it was dead by the "Hejira" > period???? To which I say, "Hits, smitz." Are you _sure_ that "Amelia" and "Coyote" didn't 'chart'? These were very big at the moment and maintained our girl in the spotlight. BTW, while Rolling Stone disapproved of the _title_ of HOSL, they did approve of the music. RS was hip to the idea that Rock had evolved out of the "Rock n' Roll" / doo-wop era, out of the skiffle bands/garage bands era, out of the British invasion era, out of the psychedelic/mushroom-overcoat era. The Gospel according to Jann Wenner was that Rock was not Bubblegum and we were in the Singer-Songwriter era. With it's roots in Dylan's electric transformation, we had a major crop of supremely talented lyricists/musicians like Joni, James, Sly, Stevie (who had also made his own transformation), and 3 solo Beatles! At the moment of HOSL, Joni was far from a washout, regardless of her ability to chart. She was regarded by RS as one of the western world's premier singer-songwriters and that was a WONDERFUL thing to be. You had something for the ear and something for the mind. By then "Rock" was an Album Oriented Radio format and it was just about custom made for the Singer-Songwriters. So, no, Joni didn't have to sell 45 rpm singles because she was selling the higher-priced LPs. (If I remember right, the "single" market _was_ the 45rpm singles's sales market. I believe that the Billboard pop "singles chart" was not based on radio play then, but only on reported sales of 45s. (There was no music video channel then.) Only a few years before, pop was predominatly just "singles". For example, I believe that not many people purchased whole LPs of Chubby Checker, Petula Clark, or Pat Boone for example. People bought the singles. *** If you're interested in Joni as a pop icon, as a commercial sucess/failure cycle, then you're missing what I appreciate the most. To me, she's not Dolly saying, "I represent the folks from the holler and no matter where I go, I bring my past with me." She's not Madonna saying, "I'm gonna take over the world!" Joni's more like Dylan. More like, "I belong to **ME**! The record company doesn't own me. The public does not own me. The public gets to *look* but not touch. They look over my shoulder." Read the lyrics to "Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" to see what I mean. She's on this rollercoaster of life too. Joni _plays_ music for an audience. She does not _entertain_ an audience. She's not some break dancer, climbing the scaffolding and dodging flash pots, to amuse us. "My fingernails are filthy. I've got beach tar on my feet." She dabs paint on a canvas and then....... pauses.......... to reflect upon whether or not the latest dab is _expressive_. After those creative breakthroughs, Joni was asked by a dying Jazz composer to collaborate with him. Her decision was to follow her muse inspite of the prophecy from record company executives that the project would allienate and polarize. To an creative individual, warnings about air play over integrity sounds a lot like a dare. After Joni bolstering Beethoven's spirit, she had laid down the gauntlet for herself and *had* to follow the creative challenge of working with Charlie Mingus. Leonard Feather wrote an extremely positive review of "Mingus" for the most influential Jazz magazine, 'downbeat'. "Mingus" is not jazz-meets-swing. It's not jazz-meets-samba. It's not jazz-meets-middle-eastern-time-signatures. It's not even jazz-meets-ballads. "Mingus" is jazz-meets-Joni. And that's enough........... Enough. Enough, grasshopper. No more will I teach you today. Clear your mind.... Good. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:23:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Black Crow covers << Second favorite? Bryan's studio version on "wafers and wine". >> Which is just another way of saying that you haven't heard Will Taylor's exquisite version, or Lydia van Dam's breathy jazz version. But certainly no argument from me that Bryan tops them all! Bob NP: Colin Moulding, "I Overheard" -demo- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:32:13 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: FTR/ 1972 McGovern Tour question I love all the JONI threads and willingly admit that's what I'm on this list to hear!! Thanks for all the recent tidbits (esp. on Coyote and FTR). We'll be seeing JT in concert here at Hershey on July 11. "The last time I saw James was Canton in '72 " w/ Joni and P. Simon on the McGovern tour. I am trying to put together how that 1972 tour plays into their break-up and the material on FTR. Anybody willing to speculate or contribute on that one? The picture I located of the three of them from that tour shows her sorta glaring. Many thanks for all the insights. It is a gorgeous spring morning here and we are mailing in our youngest daughter's college deposit today. Finally, she made a decision! Enjoy the day, all. Barbara H. - I am sorry for your hard times. You seem to be a woman of heart and mind, hang tough. God Bless. Like Joni, we fall apart, pick ourselves up, and move on ; all in good time, all in good time. Janine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:24:55 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Walk On By - the history of the popular song Joni is on this tv programme on bbc tonight. They've had some really interesting people on it in the past few weeks, like the poetess of the girl groups Ellie Greenwich and music historian Ian Whitcomb (the first irishman to go top 5 in the US charts). Last week Lamont Dozier, Motown's writer in chief said that when he wrote them he expected the shelflife of his songs to be about 3 weeks and that there was a real competitive spirit between Motown, The Beatles and The Beach Boys, like industry analysing the competition's products. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:39:37 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay Guy; I'm interested in your find of a Quad JM record. I was wondering if you have the capability to recover the four-channel information? Now that some PC sound cards are beginning to offer multi-channel playback for movies, it would seem possible to dub all four channels to CD. Is it? Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:53:27 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Black Crow covers Ahhh... Ever the salesman! I _do_ want more covers but I need guidance O Wise one, not the whole thing! LIke the annoying non-mucic fans at work, I'm waiting for the 'Joni Covers: The Greatest Hits'. > -----Original Message----- > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Subject: Black Crow covers > > Which is just another way of saying that you haven't heard Will Taylor's > exquisite version, or Lydia van Dam's breathy jazz version. > > But certainly no argument from me that Bryan tops them all! > > Bob > > NP: Colin Moulding, "I Overheard" -demo- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni to appear at Toronto's Harbourfront? An article from this morning's Toronto Star. Of course, when I hear the words "gala" and "big-ticket", I make certain assumptions as to the affordability of it, and the likelihood of people like moi to be there, but one can dream, can't one? ______________________________________________________ Cultural leaders to join Toronto festival Martin Knelman ENTERTAINMENT COLUMNIST The world leaders are coming - and they aren't politicians. Forget George W, Bush. Think Frank Gehry, Stephen Sondheim, Joni Mitchell and Harold Pinter. They're among the heavyweights coming to town in the fall to say Happy Birthday, Harbourfront. It's all part of a blockbuster month-long festival - one of the biggest cultural/social bashes in Toronto history - celebrating the 25th anniversary of Harbourfront. Plans, which have been under way for months, have been designated top secret by Harbourfront CEO William Boyle until he unveils them at a May 1 media conference. But The Star has learned that Harbourfront will stage a series of high-profile evenings from late September until late October featuring some of the biggest names on the international cultural scene. Each will be the guest of honour at a gala, big-ticket event that includes dinner and a career retrospective tribute. Topping the list: Toronto-born architect Gehry; Broadway composer Sondheim; veteran singer-songwriter Mitchell; influential New York painter Robert Rauschenberg; enigmatic British playwright Pinter; theatrical writer/actor/director Robert Lepage; avant-garde choreographer Pina Bauch; music producer Quincy Jones; Japanese fashion designer Issey Miyake; and the entire troupe of Cirque de Soleil. The gala events cannot be held at Harbourfront since none of its venues is large enough to accommodate the number of people Boyle hopes to attract. Instead they will be held at another waterfront venue, possibly on the grounds of the Canadian National Exhibition. In order to fund such an ambitious undertaking, Boyle has landed the American Express Foundation, which operates out of New York, as the major sponsor. ``It's looking very much as if Joni will be there,'' said Sam Feldman, Mitchell's manager, from his Vancouver office. ``We're just working out the details.'' A spokesperson for Gehry's office in Santa Monica, Calif., confirmed that Gehry will be participating, and added that when he speaks he will be sharing the podium with his good friend Ken Dryden, the former Montreal Canadiens star who is now an author, lawyer and president of the Leafs. Each gala evening will have spinoff events at other venues, such as panel discussions about the work of the honourees. ``Part of the idea is to use the celebrities being honoured to attract other celebrities rallying around them,'' said one insider who preferred not to be named. _____________________________________________________ Here's the URL http://www.thestar.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=987737557844&call_page=TS_Music&call_pageid=968867496921&call_pagepath=Entertainment,Life/Music&col=969048868981 Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:32:05 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: coyote guy doug, it was a pleasure to read your fine investigative work, and i greatly enjoyed and felt inspired by the cited excerpt of sam shepard with whose plays i've had a real background... i think part of the charm of 'coyote' is the compassion with which joni feels for the wanderin' coyote guy...its not gossip, but an important segment of her life - if we sense the compassion behind a song like this...there's humor in it, kinda like sam's plays, where the foibles of our characters can be placed in front of the backdrop of fun and good humour... goes without saying that because its a song, elements of composite and the universal get blended in with what at first may have been a fond recall on a very real person... he's not being slammed..."we're just from different sets of circumstances"...at one moment, 'cowboy coyote' is the wanderer, at another moment she is, so there's a composite coming in as if he's capable of more traditional ranching life when she has to flee somewhat...then, yes, the coyote metaphor takes over again and we get the impression its joni who could go for the higher love, while's he's rummaging through the out'skirts' of town...she's seen alot of coyotes in her time...and like many songs 'coyote blood' is in her too... keep informing us of different things... so long, shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:33:06 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: Joni to appear at Toronto's Harbourfront? Catherine McKay wrote: > An article from this morning's Toronto Star. Of > course, when I hear the words "gala" and "big-ticket", > I make certain assumptions as to the affordability of > it, and the likelihood of people like moi to be there, > but one can dream, can't one? I just wrote Catherine offlist and will tame my response for here.... OMGGGGGGGGGGGG well thats it IM GOING> done deal. Mags...who saw Joni for the first, one and ONLY time at the Maple Leaf Gardens and sore that Id never compromise myself again like that... as Michael says... I WANNA GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:02:11 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: [none] in the seventies, late at night, say 2 in the morning...there was one of those soft deep voices on the air who'd play whole albums at a time on a major station, CHUM fm...he'd say "this.....is daaav...id mars.....den" and go real low in his voice....making you go "oooooooo" as you were in la-la land sinkin' off to sleep in ''hogtown" (toronto)... ...the city where joni slung beer and played at the riverboat with the likes of lightfoot and ronnie hawkins...where yorkville was basking in hippie ideals...and an adolescent could just wander among the peaceniks and gurus with a newly acquired mantra...and my point is, joni could never go too commercial, and that's partly the reason many of us love her so...and how could she ever just repeat 'hits"... she enjoyed the roses, ...the fans who brought her bouquets...who seemed to understand that an artist of her calibre could never remain the same...what if she just 'chucked it all'....just 'bagged it'...and went to live out on the land and the sky as many others did...paul horn packing up his suitcase in LA and heading for new digs on the B.C. coast north of victoria...joni's secheldt hideaway...i went and stayed with some south pender island hippies who were still hippies in the early eighties... well i'm ramblin jack again...but thankfully things aren't just black and white...there's always some 'david marsden' to relay the artists to us at two in the morning...(i hope...) shane http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:21:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Black Crow covers << I'm waiting for the 'Joni Covers: The Greatest Hits'. >> What? And ruin my back catalogue? ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:27:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC[Fwd: Hirahara's News] dear barbara, i'll be thinking of you and steve!!!!! this list's power to sustain others in times of trouble is truly amazing, you'll see. much love and support, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:41:28 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay Guy, this is exciting news, and I've been meaning to compile a new sort of list, so this would be a good time to do it. If it is incomplete, anyone please feel free to add to or correct it. Joni Mitchell Music Released in Multi-channel Formats Court and Spark label/matrix #/issue date: asylum/?/1974? format: discrete quadraphonic compatable LP availability: out of print collectible Hissing of Summer Lawns label/matrix #/issue date: asylum/EQ 1051/1975 format: CD4 channel quadraphonic discrete availability: out of print collectible Hissing of Summer Lawns label/matrix #/issue date: asylum/8Q-1051/1975 format: quadraphonic 8 track tape availability: out of print collectible Shadows and Light label/matrix #/issue date: Panorama Entertainment, Hong Kong/ ?/2001 format: dvd(video), 5.1 surround, encoded all regions availability: 'grey market' i.e. ebay Painting With Words and Music label/matrix#/issue date: Image Entertainment/?/1998 format: dvd(video), DTS surround, encoded region 1 (US&UK) availability: in print Painting With Words and Music label/matrix#/issue date: Image Entertainment/?/1998 format: dvd(video), dolby digital 5.1/encoded all regions availability: in print Both Sides Now label/matrix#/issue date: Reprise (Warner Bros)/?/April 2001 format: dvd audio (5.1), region 1 (US&UK) availability: in print Notes: 1. Joni appears in the dvds: "The Last Waltz" and "Message To Love-The Isle of Wight Festival-The Movie" but neither of them are surround sound, the audio tracks are in stereo only. 2. I confess to not knowing the difference between the DTS and Dolby formats for the "Painting" dvd-someone hip me. 3. I've been searching for a direct source for the Shadows and Light dvd, but so far have not found one. The dvd has been readily available lately on ebay for $30-$40. The company that released it (I assume legitamately) is Panorama Entertainment, Hong Kong. Their website, so far, is just a 'coming soon' title page. FWIW, it's: http://www.panorama.com.hk/ Guy Brown wrote: > I'm bidding on it > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1425347308 > > and will dub it to CD and send it out to anyone who is interested (let me > know off list), after I win it (! we hope). > So we (JMDL Listers) might avoid bidding against each other here possibly > :) > > I'm excited because I was beginning to think the only Quad Hissing was on 8 > Track, but here's a vinyl piece sold by someone who has obviously looked > after it. > > GUY ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:49:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay As far as I know, it is not possible to record a multi-channel CD. Maybe one of the new dvd recorders could do it. Anybody know? RR Paul Pennington wrote: > Guy; > > I'm interested in your find of a Quad JM record. I was wondering if you > have the capability to recover the four-channel information? Now that some > PC sound cards are beginning to offer multi-channel playback for movies, it > would seem possible to dub all four channels to CD. Is it? > > Paul Pennington > Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:02:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: There's a Quadraphonic Hissing on EBay I neglected to label the first HOSL on my list, it is an LP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: - --- shane mattison wrote: > in the seventies, late at night, say 2 in the > morning...there > was one of those soft deep voices on the air who'd > play whole albums at a time > on a major station, CHUM fm...he'd say "this.....is > daaav...id mars.....den" > and go real low in his > voice.... Oh, God, I remember David Marsden! He used to annoy the hell out of me - wonder what became of him? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:53:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC[Fwd: Hirahara's News] - --- Barbara Hirahara wrote: > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Hirahara's News > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:51:26 -0700 > From: Barbara Hirahara > To: > > Dear Loved Ones, > > Well, we really thought things were calming down and > foolishly went and > let down our guard. Listen, my dear, you take GOOD care of yourself. All my best to you and your family. Many prayers and good thoughts are winging their way to you. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:49:28 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Walk on By Early Joni on telly last night - in a great programme called 'Walk on By' - a documentary series showing in the UK on BBC2 at the moment, tracing the history of popular song. Last night the weekly series had reached the late sixties/ early seventies singer songwriter period. The show started with Robbie Robertson talking about the ethos behind The Band moving to Big Pink, with some footage of them jamming back then and continued with interviews with David Crosby talking about the first CSN jam session - C and S played N a new song, "You Don't Have to Cry". At the end Graham just asked them to play it again - and again - and that was it. That was the sound as recorded on their first album. Garcia & Hunter talking about the Dead's writing process - Hunter described writing 'Ripple' on his first visit to London - looking out of the window on Devonshire Place - "it felt like I was writing gold - the gold just flowed out of me." Roger McGuinn talking about how in his first recording of 'You Ain't Goin' Nowhere' - before Dylan - he sang the lyrics slightly wrong - ie "Pack up your money and pick up your tent" which apparently pissed Bob off, hence in Bob's version - "Pick up your money Pack up your tent, McGuinn!" Early footage of Neil Young playing 'Heart of Gold' followed by David Crosby saying "how could we not asked him to join the band? - he was sooooo good!" And then Joni - playing BSN and California from that BBC concert - great strumming action on the dulcimer and her radiant smile, interspersed with a Brit music writer saying that, for him, her music was a little too mushy before LOTC and Blue, when she really hit her stride. [Cactus Tree? Mushy?", I hrrmphed to myself!] Bill Withers, talking about getting his first keyboard, finding a simple 1-3-5 C chord and saying to himself - "OK, take this shape up one step at a time to F and then back down again C" and having 'Lean on Me' - and how Graham Nash helped him through his recording insecurities by coming into the studio and sitting in front of him saying "You have no idea how good you are, Man!" Chris Hillman talking about Gram and The Flying Burrito Brothers. McGuinn again, talking about the first time the Byrds played the Grand Ole Opry and being heckled about their haircuts. Just a few of the highlights - PaulC ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #187 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?