From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #167 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 167 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Interview [dsk ] yes yes yes bjork yes njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC 10 Reasons Why Bjork Rules NJC [Catherine Udall Turley ] bjork NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: virus alert!! [Heather ] JMDL gather at the Kashmir Klub NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] In defence of Bjork njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: virus alert!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: bjork NJC [Catherine McKay ] NJC Italian help [Vince Lavieri ] Jazz/etc/ SJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] bjork NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: JMDL gather at the Kashmir Klub NJC ["Paul Castle" ] Re: goodbye pork pie hat [Catherine McKay ] Re: bjork NJC ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] Stevie Nicks fans only njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni Interview [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: Subject: wit NJC ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: bjork NJC [jan gyn ] Re: bjork NJC [jan gyn ] This list - NJC ["hell" ] it made me sick! NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 03:59:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni Interview emmy burns wrote: > I'd like to know what questions you all would ask Joni if you had the chance. I'd ask her: Considering the difficulties in having a career as a musician, what has kept her going all these years? What percentage is the joy and challenge of creating new music? How much of her continuing is because of financial pressure, i.e., she must make *some* money when she releases a new cd? How much of it is fulfilling contracts? How much is it friends or other artists asking what she's doing? How much is continuing her self-identity as a musician? In short, what keeps her creative juices flowing enough to still be in the business? I'd expect a very long answer to these questions, with probably a different emphasis for different times in her life. I'd most like to know what is inspiring her right now. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:02:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: yes yes yes bjork yes njc i am ELATED at the number of people that DIG bjork on this list!!!! bjork is a force of nature. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 02:19:57 -0700 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: NJC 10 Reasons Why Bjork Rules NJC Diss Bjork??!! Fightin' words to drag me out me out of the corner where I've been sulking. ;-) (And Marcel, dear man, there is a certain thematic concern in your list that makes one wonder . . .) I realize she may not be everyone's cup of Icelandic thermo-tea. I salute everyone's right to dislike her. Here's why I love her: 10) "I used to think that anyone doing anything weird was weird. I suddenly realized that anyone doing anything weird wasn't weird at all and it was the people saying that they were weird who were weird." - --Paul McCartney 9) (Related to #10) She confounds so many people. A sure sign she is doing something right. Did your daddy (or granddaddy, depending ;-) like Hendrix? 8) Her videos. Remarkably creative. Head and shoulders above most everything else I see these days. 7) She's all over the musical map. Techno songs, an album of jazz standards in Icelandic, a duet with Joni, in concert with the Brodsky Quartet, covering "Satisfaction" with Polly Jean, etc. etc. etc. 6) Sometimes she soars, sometimes she sinks. Has the guts to take the risk. 5) Wears a Swan dress to the Oscars. 4) Quit the Sugar Cubes. Knew she had it going on all by herself. 3) Vocal range. Yeah, she has that breathy thing going on, she's all over the vocal map too and she can really let loose from someplace deep (and remarkably powerful) within herself and it can be very cathartic. "Birthday" from the first Sugar Cubes album comes to mind. 2) Is a great songwriter. Her material can almost transform other performers-- Madonna's "Bed Time Stories," to some extent, and more especially Annie Lennox's cover of "Mama." 1) She is Bjork! As others have eloquently noted, she is uncompromisingly herself. A tremendously difficult thing for most people to do under any circumstances, and she does it more or less in public, in an industry where there is more than the usual pressure not to be true to yourself. Bjork! Catherine T., back to my corner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 16:51:22 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Itzhak Perlman - Inspiring! This article from the Houston Chronicle about a more inspiring than usual performance by Perlman in 1995 was forwarded to me today. Maybe you haven't heard it before:--------------------- On Nov. 18, 1995, Itzhak Perlman, the violinist, came on stage to give a concert at Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Center in New York City. If you have ever been to a Perlman concert, you know that getting on stage is no small achievement for him. He was stricken with polio as a child, and so he has braces on both legs and walks with the aid of two crutches. To see him walk across the stage one step at a time, painfully and slowly, is an unforgettable sight. He walks painfully, yet majestically, until he reaches his chair. Then he sits down, slowly, puts his crutches on the floor, undoes the clasps on his legs, tucks one foot back and extends the other foot forward. Then he bends down and picks up the violin, puts it under his chin, nods to the conductor and proceeds to play. By now, the audience is used to this ritual. They sit quietly while he makes his way across the stage to his chair. They remain reverently silent while he undoes the clasps on his legs. They wait until he is ready to play. But this time, something went wrong. Just as he finished the first few bars, one of the strings on his violin broke. You could hear it snap -it went off like gunfire across the room. There was no mistaking what that sound meant. There was no mistaking what he had to do. People who were there that night thought to themselves: "We figured that he would have to get up, put on the clasps again, pick up the crutches and limp his way off stage - to either find another violin or else find another string for this one. But he didn't. Instead, he waited a moment, closed his eyes and then signaled the conductor to begin again. The orchestra began, and he played from where he had left off. And he played with such passion and such power and such purity as they had never heard before. Of course, anyone knows that it is impossible to play a symphonic work with just three strings. I know that, and you know that, but that night Itzhak Perlman refused to know that. You could see him modulating, changing, recomposing the piece in his head. At one point, it sounded like he was de-tuning the strings to get new sounds from them that they had never made before. When he finished, there was an awesome silence in the room. And then people rose and cheered. There was an extraordinary outburst of applause from every corner of the auditorium. We were all on our feet, screaming and cheering, doing everything we could to show how much we appreciated what he had done. He smiled, wiped the sweat from this brow, raised his bow to quiet us, and then he said, not boastfully, but in a quiet, pensive, reverent tone, "You know, sometimes it is the artist's task to find out how much music you can still make with what you have left." What a powerful line that is. It has stayed in my mind ever since I heard it. And who knows? Perhaps that is the [way] of life - not just for artists but for all of us. So, perhaps our task in this shaky, fast-changing, bewildering world in which we live is to make music, at first with all what we have, and then, when that is no longer possible, to make music with what we have left. - - Jack Riemer, Houston Chronicle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:03:41 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Interview In a message dated 4/8/01 3:57:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > emmy burns wrote: > > > I'd like to know what questions you all would ask Joni if you had the > chance. > > I'd ask her: What has she been painting lately? What makes her choose her colors? With all the image-editing tools out there, why on earth doesn't she have a computer? When could I photograph her? (I can dream can't I?) Will she be attending Jonifest this year? Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:15:24 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC 10 Reasons Why Bjork Rules NJC (md) Loved your take Catherine. Rather than simply hurl insults your response was thoughtful and sincere and pragmatic. I appreciate what you did very much because while I was simply doing a satiricle post you responded with some real stuff. I think she still sucks but at least your like is based on something and it was very well written. Of course we do have a problem. If your view is the prevailing one, we will certainly have imitators "who arent as good as Bjork" to look forward to. The air-travelers bag please. love you to. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Interview emmy burns wrote: > > > I'd like to know what questions you all would ask > Joni if you had the chance. I don't have any questions, except, "So, how are you, Joan?" That's it. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:49:52 -0400 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: bjork NJC i'd like to publicly agree with ranger rick about marcel's post "about" bjork. i guess i'll never find a way to explain to certain kinds of people why making references to women with "knee pads" and "in ted turner's pants" as a reason for their achievements is a) offensive to the point of libel (i'm not marrying a lawyer for nothing!) b) less funny than he thinks and c) just plain pathetic so instead of even TRYING to do that (because, frankly, i feel sorry for people who put forth that kind of garbage even in "jest"), what i will do is suggest that anyone who is interested in bjork pick up "homogenic" -- and listen to the gorgeous trip-hop beats made by masters of this art, her silly and swooning vocals, and heart-breaking, funny lyrics: "i thought i could organize freedom / how scandinavian of me" for one, and also "i am a fountain of blood / in the shape of a girl." this album knocks me out. and makes me really happy that some people can't understand it. thanks, bjork. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 12:40:21 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: virus alert!! a big ME TOO on this one! my software virus alert caught this one. now i am wondering if this came through the jmdl. anyone else been exposed to this virus?? btw - this happen early last week. heather At 07:26 AM 4/6/01 -0400, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: >I received that Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs The True Story from >hahaha@sexy.net email w/ attachment this morning again. DON'T OPEN IT! IT'S A >VIRUS. DELETE IT and delete it from your recently deleted emails. Delete it >from your recycle bin. Get rid of the little worm. I suggest you'll update >your virus definitions and scan your PC's >Sorry for the bandwidth. > >-Rose > >rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:49:18 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: JMDL gather at the Kashmir Klub NJC Hi peeps, I just wanted to add a few comments to what has already been posted about our get-together on Thursday, starting with regret that I couldn't get there until towards the end of the evening. It was great to meet Paul Castle for the first time, after corresponding with him in the past; Rob, about whom I'd known very little before; and Joe and Jessica - I hope you understood all Tony's jokes! And, of course, it's always great to re-acquaint myself with Martin, Chris and Jacky (thanks for organising it, Jacky). It was lovely for me that the Kashmir Klub was the venue - as many will know, it is a pet place of mine, and it seemed a great time was had by all (I will have to have a word with the sound guy about the volume on the PA :-) BTW, if anyone in or around London is interested, the utterly wonderful Annabel Lamb is playing there on Wednesday (11th), along with Alisha's Attic - - it should be a great evening. TTFN, Azeem NP: same match, but Liverpool are now 2-0 up. Thought you'd want to know :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:49:17 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: In defence of Bjork njc Well, I thought that list Marcel posted was nasty, spiteful and totally unfunny - genuinely mean-spirited. It really made my blood boil. AND no, I am not saying Marcel or anyone else doesn't have the right to post whatever they like. I just think that is a really rank way of getting a cheap laugh. Even if the list had been about someone whose music I can't stand, I would have still found it objectionable. As it happens, I like Bjork a lot. I found the Sugarcubes a real breath of fresh air in the 80s, and that was largely down to Bjork's extraordinary presence. I think she is a true eccentric, in that she is unselfconscious about herself; reading interviews with her, she ALSO comes across as very clear-sighted about her music, and totally professional. She seems to have a lot more comon sense and humility than a lot of other prominent musicians. So, what about her music? And can she sing? As to the first question, anyone who saw her STUNNING "Unplugged" performance will have seen and heard that she is a true original. Everything about the performance works for me: the songs all sound like nobody else's stuff, and have both style and substance; the arrangements are exquisite and amazingly varied, and somehow right for the individual songs. And her singing is compelling. I totally accept that her voice may be a turn-off for many (she's hardly unique in that). Her pitching is eccentric, to say the least, and her phrasing, like just about everything else, is "sui generis". Yet I would submit that she CAN sing. Her first two albums are great, highlights being songs like Venus As A Boy, Come To Me and The Anchor Song from the debut, and Hyper-ballad, You've Been Flirting Again and Isobel from the second. I'm not crazy about the third (Homogenic), but the arrangements are never less than interesting; and some of the songs on the Dancer In The Dark soundtrack are wonderful. So there you go, some views from the Bjork camp. Make of them what you will, dear listers. Azeem in London NP: FA Cup semi-final, Liverpool against Wycombe, still no score... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:52:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: virus alert!! In a message dated 4/8/01 12:43:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luvart@snet.net writes: > a big ME TOO on this one! my software virus alert caught this one. now i > am wondering if this came through the jmdl. anyone else been exposed to > this virus?? > Yes, it probably did. It attaches itself to an email Aliases: I-Worm.Hybris Hybris is a worm that spreads itself by sending e-mail messages. How to avoid infection: > The worm infects WSOCK32.DLL and when an e-mail is sent, also sends a > seperate e-mail with the From: header that reads "Hahaha >", and the worm in the body of the message. As usual, DO NOT execute that > Signs of infection: > Hyris is one of the few worms that can download "plugins". It does this by > making NNTP connections to one of a list of news servers in a list, and > reading the newsgroup alt.comp.virus, where plugins are posted. It can also > post any plugins on an infected system to alt.comp.virus, as the plugins > are not transmitted along with the worm via e-mail. Depending on what > plugins are on an infected system, you may notice some or all of the > following occuring: > Altered ZIP and RAR archives where EXE files have been renamed to have an > extension of .EX$, and a copy of Hybris replacing the original filename. > Scanning other machines, and infecting machines that have the SubSeven > backdoor on them. > Affect EXE files on the local system so that they become "droppers" of the > worm. This can cause re-infection of a system after you think you have > eradicated the worm. > Display a back and white "spiral" on the screen on the 59th minute of each > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bjork NJC - --- Emily Kirk Gray wrote: > i'd like to publicly agree with ranger rick about > marcel's post "about" bjork. i guess i'll never > find > a way to explain to certain kinds of people why > making > references to women with "knee pads" and "in ted > turner's pants" > as a reason for their achievements is > a) offensive to the point of libel Apparently Marcel can only hold himself in check for so long. Too bad, Marcel - often you post items that are really worth reading. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:36:11 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Italian help Sorry to all the non Italians I am looking for JMDLers in Italy, particularly those who know who Christian Vieri is. Thanks! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:39:08 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Jazz/etc/ SJC With Goodbye Porkpie Hat I really think it should be thought of as a Mingus song, but that is just my opinion. I think it is great everyone is talking about the Mingus album, Because i feel that it is Spanktastic. Speaking of other Jazz, I just picked up this Pharoh Sanders record, "KARMA" it is quite interesting. SOrt of like John COltrane's "OM" but a bit more fucked up. That period of late sixties-early seventies really harvested some interesting music, whether you want to call it Jazz Fusion, Jazz-Rock, Complete Shit, INnovative, whatever, It was great IMHO. Everything from Miles Davis's "In a Silent Way" to "Get up with IT", early Weather Report, Donald Byrd's Black Byrd, Coltranes latter Sax freakouts like "INterstellar Space" and "Meditations." The list goes on and on. Most people would rather listen to earlier Jazz, which I love just as much and can understand why they would rather ignore the efforts past 1964 or so. I just am really fond of the experimentation that went on during the said period albeit if it was a bit naieve or over-the-top for the jazz medium. Much of the music turned out to be very influential on eletronic music of today. I think the Herbie Hancock Headhunters albums were big influences on the Chemical Brothers and DJ Shadow. But, that is enough from this peanut gallery. BLair (who has been in lurk mode for awhile) NP: Pharoh Sanders: "Colors" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:03:54 -0400 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: bjork NJC Marcel: As I have requested, please respond to my on-list posts only with on-list posts. I do not wish to correspond with you privately. Thanks. - -- Emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:30:31 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: JMDL gather at the Kashmir Klub NJC Azeem AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >BTW, if anyone in or around London is interested, the utterly wonderful >Annabel Lamb is playing there on Wednesday (11th) I agree about Annabel, Azeem - and her partner, Dave Dix, who is an excellent guitarist. A couple of years back I organised a five-night acoustic festival at The Rosemary Branch in Islington and Annabel and Dave turned up on the Saturday night to do a surprise guest spot - they were sensational. Last I heard they were going to Ireland to write songs with Paul Brady - if you speak to them, say Paul from Sons of Fat Harry says hello. Unfortunately I'll miss Wednesday as I'll be away next week - taking my elderly parents to the seaside for a few days. Great to meet you, too. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:47:21 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Kaki Crazy and the Kashmir (NJC) In a message dated 08/04/01 08:30:22 GMT Daylight Time, Kakki writes: > > Thanks for the report from the Kashmir. I've seen Azeem rave about it so > often here and if I ever get to London, I definitely want to go! Jacky - > that > horse Kaki Crazy has raced here at the tracks in California, too!! LOL - > Good > to hear she's still going strong and I hope you win! Hi Kakki, Unfortunately it fell at the 3rd but was in good company as only 4 of the 40 horses finished in the mud bath and 2 of those had been re-mounted! Fortunately, since this is the only race I bet on all year and because Kaki Crazy was such an outsider, I decided to back another horse as well. I was listening to some Dylan as I ran my finger down the list so settled on Blowing Wind which came in 3rd after re-mounting to I have some money to collect. Why bother studying form? The good news is that no horses or jockeys were injured. As for the Kashmir, let me know when you're going and I'll meet you there! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:47:31 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Thursday at the Kashir Klub, London NJC In a message dated 08/04/01 08:30:22 GMT Daylight Time, Les writes: > > What a great idea that was. Well done Jacky for organising and Azeem for the > idea for the location. A treat I will revisit. Glad you enjoyed it, Les. The next project is likely to be a Joni-fest at the 12 Bar Club with Foni Mitchell and other talented JMDLers. Reading this Saturday's digest it was a real treat to see so many contributions from the UK wasn't it? I began to think it had become a UK only list! Not that that would be a good thing, I hasten to add, but it's pretty unusual to see so many. Following up on Azeem's comment, there does seem to be something strange happening to the digest, anyone know why? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 12:10:07 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Why I liked Bjork's Swan Dress (trvial rant njc) More and more in recent years it seems that all the actors and stars have been drafted into service as walking billboards for the fashion industry at the Oscars. Much is made on the TV entertainment shows and in magazines both before and after the event on which person was sent how many different frocks from Versace, Vera Wang, Dior and other competing designers, and which one they picked and so on. As the stars arrive the pre-show commentators ask them who they are wearing, blah, blah, and then they twirl around like they are up on the catwalk. Anyone who dares to be original in their dress is usually roundly laughed at afterward, and ends up on the usual "worst-dressed" lists. Although I like to see the dresses and all, it has begun to bother me a bit that these creative individuals are now almost obligated to be pressed into service as models, too, on their big nights. Sure most of them have always worn designer outfits, but it just is becoming too multi-commercial for me. So when Bjork showed up in the swan, it was one of the most refreshing parts of the evening for me. I think she made a great statement, whether it was intentional or not. And I think the usual arbiters were at a loss at how to respond. It was so original, funny, and non-offensive that they really couldn't slam her like they usually do with others. Steve Martin's "so last year" remark about it was great, too. Besides Bjork my other favorites this year were people who wore vintage gowns and their own jewelry. No matter what I think audiences want to be entertained and experience surprises at the Oscars. Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:19:28 -0500 From: "MusicIsSpecial" Subject: Why I like Bjork I too was uninterested in the sugar cubes and the Bjork I heard on the radio. One day while in London, I caught part of a Jules Shear show on BBC and heard this woman playing backed by some strings and guessed it was Bjork but was not certain. She was absolutely mesmerizing! Suddenly I "got it" and saw there was a lot more avant-garde stuff going on than was apparent in the first few radio singles. I really like her work now. e ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: goodbye pork pie hat - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I wanted to share > a cover that you can > listen to RIGHT NOW! > > It's a big band from Norway called "Kjellerbandet". > They do a killer version > of Dry Cleaner, WITH a female lead vocalist adding > Joni's lyric! Dig the horn > section, man they are tight! > > http://www.stud.ntnu.no/studorg/kb/index_eng.html > That is EXCELLENT! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:46:04 -0400 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Re: bjork NJC Emily writes of Marcel's "top ten" dissing of Bjork: i guess i'll never find a way to explain to certain kinds of people why making references to women with "knee pads" and "in ted turner's pants" as a reason for their achievements is a) offensive to the point of libel ... b) less funny than he thinks c) just plain pathetic === Emily, Since I started the post, by avering that I have a strong dislike for Bjork's singing, I feel it necessary to defend Marcel against your mean attack. Yes, men (and women) occasionally joke about famous people (men and women) who have slept their way to the top. It's such a common joke it's cliche. Sure, it's what one would call "low humor." Many sources of "low humor" have succeeded: South Park, Richard Pryor, and William Shakespeare, to name but a few... Sometimes people laugh at things that don't meet the highest standard of elite intellectualism and political correctness, probably as an antidote to being forced to stomach so much elite intellectualism and political correctness. Marcel was joking. Obviously he doesn't think too much of Bjork's talent. He wasn't trying to disempower you personally. So, Emily dear, perhaps you could think about it a little more deeply. Because Marcel is NOT: 1) "Offensive to the point of libel" What Marcel wrote is called satire, and it's perfectly legal. He included some bawdy references, but you can't be arrested for that, either. Libel has to be untrue, malicious and, above all, damaging. I doubt that Marcel's humor is going to make or break someone so sure of herself she can wear a dead swan on national TV. Before you accuse someone of libel, you might want to learn what the word means. 2) "Less funny than he thinks." To you, perhaps. But, you already admitted that you could never explain why people enjoy that kind of humor. Therefore, in that particular genre of humor, you lack appreciation -- you are, in effect, humorless when it comes to bawd. Since you are humorless in that regard, you certainly are not qualified to judge what is funny or not. 3) "Just plain pathetic." Describing someone as just plain pathetic is incredibly abusive, stripping away any personal value or redeeming quality of that person. Pathetic is a word generally used for the hopeless dregs of humanity who are bereft of potential. It's a pretty hefty, and totally mean, word to use over a parody or a bit of bawd. Marcel is not "just plain pathetic" by any stretch of your embittered imagination. Think about it -- would you rather have someone make an obviously silly joke about you sleeping your way to the top, or would you prefer someone calling you "just plain pathetic"? Emily, when I wrote my little caustic e-mail about Bjork, I was seriously asking people to tell me why they liked her, because I can't appreciate her singing. Several people responded with comments that gave me pause to perhaps check out some of her other stuff. Marcel responded with a silly top ten list -- he was making a joke (Webster: "2. something said or done in sport and not seriously"). YOU chose to respond with an ugly personal attack against Marcel because he wrote something you didn't like. Thanks for sharing. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:58:25 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Stevie Nicks fans only njc Stevie will be doing a guest spot on the Chris Isaak Show tomorrow (Mon) night on Showtime network. I think the episode is called "The Real Me". I watched his show last week and it was pretty good. Also, Amazon has a pic of the new album cover for "Shangra-La" and is taking advance orders for May 1. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:19:51 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Interview Emmy Burns queried: I'd like to know what questions you all would ask Joni if you had the chance. Coyote Rick responds: Last summer in Saskatoon, I had this very rare moment to really talk to JM. It was just her and me -- in front of the ladies room. Me tongue tied. Her cool as ice, and seemingly expecting a question or three. A million thoughts flew through my mind, but the words just couldn't find their way. All I said (that I recall) is, "You are so lucky!" What a dope. Honestly, the first time I have been totally awestruck. What I would have asked is: 1. How many paintings did you lose in the Malibu storms? 2. Have you re-created any of them? 3. What was Cass Elliot like as a friend? 4. You want your jacket back? 5&6. Would be about people we both know (not affiliated with the JMDL or Jim's site). 7. Do you really hang out with Madonna? 8. Wanna go outside for a smoke? 9. How can you stand not knowing what the JMDL members (surely your most faithful fans) have to say about your pursuits? and 10. (We get ten don't we?) Why don't you blow off the New England Jonifest and come to my annual Labor Day party? It's much closer and you don't have to sing! (Sorry, Ashara and Rose!) 3, 5, 6, 7 and maybe 8 qualify me as a cub reporter for the Star or E! :-) Thanks, Emmy, for conjuring up these thoughts! Coyote Rick (Trying to look very butch, today) Marriott, Jackson, Mississippi (Yikes! Pray for me.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:52:53 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: Subject: wit NJC It also makes you realize not to take anything for granted. It could all be gone tomorrow. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:18:22 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: bjork NJC >YOU chose to respond with an ugly personal attack against Marcel because he >wrote something you didn't like. > >Thanks for sharing. > >Harper Lou What was so ugly about it? I thought it was apropos! Talk about calling the kettle black... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:22:15 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: bjork NJC At 02:03 PM 4/8/01 -0400, Emily Kirk Gray wrote: >Marcel: As I have requested, please respond to my on-list >posts only with on-list posts. > >I do not wish to correspond with you privately. > >Thanks. > >-- Emily I hate it when that happens; it's like being fondled or something. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:10:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: This list - NJC I joined this list for two reasons. 1. To find and share information about Joni Mitchell, my favourite singer/songwriter/artist/poet. 2. To make the acquaintance of people around the world. Since I've joined, I've achieved both those goals, and since the split into NJC and Joni-Only, I've discovered lots of great new music (eg. Jonatha Brooke), books, authors, actors, movies, etc., and I've had some wonderful (and intelligent) discussions on some incredibly varied subjects. I've loved this list and believe I've made some real friends here. It always seemed a place where opinions were valued, not denigrated. But recently every second post seems to be someone attacking someone else's opinion - and Marcel's post on Bjork, whether you liked it or not, was still just his opinion, expressed as he felt was his right - then it's someone else defending the original post, then someone else defending the opposer, etc., etc., etc. I'm sick and tired of wading through my daily mail, for the 10-20% of posts that are actually constructive. I've used my delete key more than the scroll key lately, which annoys me considerably. Seems like we've lost track of what we're about, and I don't think we can any longer claim to be "the nicest, friendliest discussion list on the 'net." This being the case, I'm unsubbing for a while, until people can accept that not every opinion will be the same as theirs, and that yes, sometimes people may write something that someone else finds offensive. The answer (and I've said it before recently, but maybe it was missed in the deluge of "I don't like what you said" posts) is the delete key. For God's sake, if you were in a room of 600 people, would you agree with and/or even like every person? I don't think so, so why should you expect it here!? I'll be back but it might be a while. Maybe when I return, people will have worked out how to be civil to each other again, and be a little more accepting of the fact that we're all very different, and only united by one thing. Joni. Helen ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: it made me sick! NJC All this discussion about Bjork and dancer in the dark made me want to throw out a side topic: Dancer in the Dark make me sick! Really physically sick. The Blair Witch Project did the same thing. I'm prone to motion sickness (not in vehicles, but when watching images move in certain ways). I've learned the hard way to avoid IMAX films, and many computer games, but was blindsided by Blair Witch. Halfway through that film, I realized I was feeling BAD. Spent the last half hour with my eyes closed, fighting nausea. Had to wait an hour before driving home till my stomach settled. i was prepared for the possibility of getting sick during Dancer in the Dark, and sure enough, it happened. I waited as long as I could, I really wanted to see the first musical number. Soon as it was over, I left my partner in the theater and spent the rest of the film in the lobby. Returned for the last 5 minutes. Don't know what to make of that film (the bit I saw of it). It was so melodramatic that it was almost comical, and filmed worse than my uncle's bad home movies. But something about it seemes really interesting as well. As far as Bjork is concerned, I find the way she uses her voice really interesting. Try 'Birthday' from the first Sugarcubes CD. Also like her second solo record, 'Post', but I am not a fan of the electronica sound she keeps edging closer to. All her videos are very interesting visually as well. I really hate most music videos, but hers are really original. Tyler NP: The Plastics 'Origato Plastico' Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #167 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?