From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #166 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 166 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Thursday at the Kashir Klub, London NJC ["Ross, Les" ] List Bugaboos NJC ["Ross, Les" ] Suspicous Reasoning ["Ross, Les" ] bjork...discuss NJC ["Ross, Les" ] Piano perc (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Suspicious reasoning [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: iso artwork [David Stork ] RE: Thursday at the Kashir Klub, London NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday [mags ] Bjork NJC [Yael Harlap ] Fwd: God's Perfection and Baseball (NJC) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni One, Two and three. ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni One, Two and three. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC (md) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "keep in touch....the years" ["shane mattison" ] Re: list mail [dsk ] Re: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! [dsk ] Re: list mail njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Piano perc NJC/golden mean [dsk ] Re: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] harvest moon in libra njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Kaki Crazy and Kashmir (NJC) ["Kakki B" ] Why I like Bjork (sjc) ["Kakki B" ] Re: Why I like Bjork - now with NJC [Catherine McKay ] Joni Interview ["emmy burns" ] Why I like Bjork NJC [susan+rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:24:28 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Thursday at the Kashir Klub, London NJC What a great idea that was. Well done Jacky for organising and Azeem for the idea for the location. A treat I will revisit. 'Show of Hands' were a real treat and what a great sound they had. And a good cross section of other music and all for free. Just excellent. Les (London on a sunny Saturday Morning at the office) NP NRH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:31:11 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: List Bugaboos NJC I've been suspecting for a while that not all the messages are getting through. I only receive the digest and often find that threads get picked up that I don't recall seeing the start of. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:48:21 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Suspicous Reasoning Apart from being a delicious little phrase in the context of the song, I have read this to mean reasoning that had a not so well hidden agenda. 'Rambling' in the environment within which Joni sings, turning up to see this friend in the night, seems to me like she is either trying to vindicate, justify or clarify something going on with her or, indeed, she may have been trying to get the guy into the sack and he doesn't want to be 'worked' in that way. Well, that is the take I had on it, from when first I heard the song. bests Les (London)....standing back. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:59:41 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: bjork...discuss NJC 'Post, Harper Lou.....' Yes, I have often wondered about the success of Bjork. Recommended as a must-listen-to by friends whose opinions I trust, I bought her 'Debut' album after it came out and was totally sideswiped. What the hell was this?! Don't get me wrong, when she hits a home run like on Big Time Sensuality (especially on one of the remixes with the big band horn section) she really gets you over the hill. But as to the majority of her eouvre, lost on me completely. At best whimsical, at worst impenetrable. For me she really overworks the breathy thing. Shame really 'cos she's clearly rated. Just not to these ears. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:30:36 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Piano perc (NJC) Interesting coincidence, following the discussion about the piano as percusssion instrument - At The Kashmir Chris Marshall and I were discussing Victor Wooten, the unbelievably good bass player with Bela Fleck & The Flecktones (who are playing four consecutive nights at different venues in London next month - not Cambridge unfortunately, Chris). Victor Wooten's brother, The Flecktones' percussionist, RayEl (known as 'Futureman') is, I read, also an inventor, who invented the 'drumitar' - a guitar-shaped instrument allowing him to replicate the sounds of the entire contemporary drum kit with just a few fingers. His latest creation is called 'The RayEl' - shaped like a piano on which "his music employs the power of science and of mother nature to attain the natural ratios of The Golden Means (PHI) and the keyboard is styled after the table of the Periodic Elements. It is no accident, he said, that the 'RayEl' resembles a keyboard since "more and more I see the piano as a drum set and the drum set like a piano." PaulC (can anyone explain what 'The Golden Means' means - or point me to a good source on the net? I think it has been discussed on the jmdl before but my memory..... and Chris, let me know if you'd like to borrow that Bass Tips video I mentioned, showing the different styles of Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, John Pattitucci and Steve Bailey. I shall be away next week so happy to lend it to you for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:46:10 +0100 (BST) From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Suspicious reasoning Thank you everyone for your replies to my original question about the 'suspicious reasoning'. It's always great to hear people's views on her wonderful lyrics. As Joni once said when questioned on a lyric, "Never mind what it means to me, what does it mean to you." I think she is creating a forum for discussing interpretation of her words on whatever level. Of course there is no right or wrong in this. My original interpretation of the song was that she was very nervous about the way her life was headed and what she really needed to survive, "I know my needs". She visits a friend and ends up rambling somewhat. The friend interprets this as something else and it darkens his mood. I can now see other facets of this particular diamond. Suspicious can mean suspecting of course. That works too. pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:06:37 +0100 From: David Stork Subject: Re: iso artwork The tape sound's amazing, how do you get hold of it? Saw Joni in Birmingham NEC about 18years ago, can't remember the exact date. It's the one and only time I've seen her live - what a presence!!! Anyone else on this list who saw her their?? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:19:13 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Thursday at the Kashir Klub, London NJC Les wrote:- > Les (London on a sunny Saturday Morning at the office) Les, You've got to stop this Saturday morning in the office thing. Seriously. Up here, it's a sunny Saturday out-to-lunch, and possibly punting. *This* is what Saturdays are for... - --Chris Chris Marshall (remotely, via the laptop) Secure Systems Integration Ltd chris@secure-si.co.uk T: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 F: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:42:47 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC . I respect > Michael Bolton, Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, and EVEN Bob Dylan for their > singing, even though I don't like the sounds of their voices. The > bottom-of-the-heap bad singing by Mr. Weir of the Grateful Dead can be > justified with drugs or just plain dancing your ass off. > But Bjork? What appeal does her voice have? Is it a young people thing? Am > I missing out on an issue of new drugs or something? Do people actually buy > her albums for real? > Let's see...I'm not sure if I picked this up from this post correctly or not but I'm guessing you don't like Bjork...am I right? Whew...I was worried there for a minute. She seems to evoke quite a passion out of you so maybe you really have a secret yearning for her icelandic singing voice.:>) I don't know much about Bjork but I take issue with classifying Bob Weir as "bottom of the heap" bad singing. I've listened to the Grateful Dead for years without taking drugs and while he doesn't have the greatest voice in the world I wouldn't put him at the bottom of the heap. He would be much higher towards the other end of the scale as I like his technique, his performance ability, esp. on songs like Looks Like Rain, Cassidy, Estimated Prophet, Weather Report Suite, El Paso(Robbins), etc...His voice is there, it's not great but then it doesn't need to be. His songs come across very well for me. And "technically" there's nothing wrong with his singing as far as hitting all the notes, having a good rhythm, and he really shows very good control of his voice and possesses good dynamics. I'm glad you brought up Mr. Weir as it gives me a chance to really appreciate what the Grateful Dead have meant to me all these years. Traditionally, I would have been seeing the Dead around this time of year but it is never to be again. I'm still hoping to get tickets for Phil Lesh and Friends on April 15. Now Phil doesn't really have a very good voice, but his songs "Box of Rain" and "Unbroken Chain" are two of the finest songs I ever heard them play. So have you considered checking into a Bjork Haters Anonymous Clinic? Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 07:59:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: God's Perfection and Baseball (NJC) In a message dated 4/7/01 2:46:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > "That day," said the father softly, with tears now rolling down > his face,"those 18 boys reached their level of God's perfection." > > Thanks for sharing this beautiful story with us Paul. - -Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:22:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: iso artwork << The tape sound's amazing, how do you get hold of it?>> Just ask, David, someone will probably set you up. I'll be glad to, if nobody else steps up... <> Does April 14, 1983 ring a bell? That's the date the recording I have has on it, and it makes sense sequentially with the other '83 recordings I have. You need that one too? ;~) Bob NP: Ani, "Pulse" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:59:42 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: NJC Weir Fan Here! (was please explain Bjork) Who know how I pick up these things from the mail I skim over but, Victor wrote a bit in defense of Bob Weir and rightfully so. << don't know much about Bjork but I take issue with classifying Bob Weir as "bottom of the heap" bad singing. <>. He would be much higher towards the other end of the scale as I like his technique, his performance ability, esp. on songs like Looks Like Rain, Cassidy, Estimated Prophet, Weather Report Suite, El Paso(Robbins), etc. >> And I agree. Weir can sometimes have a raspy feel to his voice but Victor points out that his technique and performance ability is high level, specifying two of my favorite Dead tunes sung by Bobby: "Looks Like Rain" and "El Paso." He can really make those songs crack with emotion. And I've never attended a Dead show on drugs, although one time I took my homework there to do during intermission. And just like Lassie, who would thump her tail and pick up her ears at the sound of her owner's footstep, my audio tail will wag and my hearing alert will go on full tilt when I sense that Bobby is singing. He really brings a good feel to a lot of songs. MG - who feels that out here in California, the theory "scratch a Californian, find a Deadhead" is true more often than not. PS to Victor: I've sent out some information please emails to people at Valley and will let you know what I find out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:38:23 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Brett Code wrote: > << thing, that 'whatever-it-is' that keeps people, particularly certain women, > I guess, almost trapped with their spouse - 'til death, I guess, no matter > what kind of abuse, fear, hatred, boredom, whatever it is that causes one to > shoot out streetlights and wish, every spring, as night follows day, to be > gone, but not to go.>>> Many women who stay with abusers do so because they feel there is no way out. For some women, there is just nowhere to go. A battered self esteem can be found at the root of the problem for her. Little emotional support and lack of money are a couple of the many factors inhibiting her. She feels very early on that she has no choice but to stay and hope for the best and keep clinging onto the life raft dream of hope. The phrase no choice becomes the very thing that keeps her sane, otherwise she might succumb to temptation, slipping into cold black waters....she finds comfort in the idea of drowning. She lives inside her head, tries to make sense out of the hell hole she finds herself in. Socially, there is a whole dynamic set up that makes it very hard for her to escape. It feels kind of like being pinned down, you can barely breathe, you feel as though you are being held hostage, trapped against your will. You hold that gun in the middle of both of your clenched fists, adrenalin rises, you take aim, you think for sure this time..yes....you imagine hitting that target dead on, it gives you this rush, this temporary sense of power..you begin to believe that you really could leave this time, just this once, if only.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:38:33 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Brett Code wrote: > << thing, that 'whatever-it-is' that keeps people, particularly certain women, > I guess, almost trapped with their spouse - 'til death, I guess, no matter > what kind of abuse, fear, hatred, boredom, whatever it is that causes one to > shoot out streetlights and wish, every spring, as night follows day, to be > gone, but not to go.>>> Many women who stay with abusers do so because they feel there is no way out. For some women, there is just nowhere to go. A battered self esteem can be found at the root of the problem for her. Little emotional support and lack of money are a couple of the many factors inhibiting her. She feels very early on that she has no choice but to stay and hope for the best and keep clinging onto the life raft dream of hope. The phrase no choice becomes the very thing that keeps her sane, otherwise she might succumb to temptation, slipping into cold black waters....she finds comfort in the idea of drowning. She lives inside her head, tries to make sense out of the hell hole she finds herself in. Socially, there is a whole dynamic set up that makes it very hard for her to escape. It feels kind of like being pinned down, you can barely breathe, you feel as though you are being held hostage, trapped against your will. You hold that gun in the middle of both of your clenched fists, adrenalin rises, you take aim, you think for sure this time..yes....you imagine hitting that target dead on, it gives you this rush, this temporary sense of power..you begin to believe that you really could leave this time, just this once, if only.... Mags. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 09:41:24 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: Bjork NJC Harper Lou deplored...: >But Bjork? What appeal does her voice have? Is it a young people thing? Am >I missing out on an issue of new drugs or something? Do people actually buy >her albums for real? Hi Harper Lou and everyone... I'm not a tremendous fan of Bjork's but this post brought me out of the woodwork for some reason. I haven't bought any of her albums, and I don't know that I would want to listen to a whole album straight... though for me that is more about the electronic nature of her music than her voice. I kind of like the way she sings, even though it is clearly weird, fractured and effortful. The thing that is truly special about Bjork, imho, is the amount of herself she pours into her strange music. I find myself fascinated by her because my feeling, listening to her sing, is that the sound I am hearing is Bjork in her entirety. She is highly emotive, and in the strangest way, which to me just makes it seem like she is a strange person who is letting me see (hear) all her strangeness. I don't know how much sense this makes to other people, but if you see her in the movie Dancer in the Dark you might know what I mean - she is just so herself. Even Catherine DeNeuve, also in Dancer in the Dark, made some comment like Bjork does not act, she is just herself. So I stop and listen if I hear her or stop and stare if I see her on TV... and I like it. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:44:27 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: God's Perfection and Baseball (NJC) thanks, it was a beautiful story! Kammy Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:04:46 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [209.58.179.86]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:04:28 2000 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id IAA02404; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:01:16 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id IAA02395 for joni-outgoing; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id IAA02384 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Received: from RoseMJoy@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id v.c.13c0b5bf (4328); Sat, 7 Apr 2001 07:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 07:59:53 EDT Subject: Re: God's Perfection and Baseball (NJC) To: pdcmusic@freeuk.com CC: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: RoseMJoy@aol.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 4/7/01 2:46:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > "That day," said the father softly, with tears now rolling down > his face,"those 18 boys reached their level of God's perfection." > > Thanks for sharing this beautiful story with us Paul. - -Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:48:52 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC (md) 10 reasons why Bjork is where she is. 10) Knee pads extraordinaire. 9) Mom is an attorney for the publisher. 8) Dad is a big wig in the UN. 7) Raw extortion with compromising photographs of big time music executives. 6) Knows and likes Bill Clinton (know what I mean). 5) Formerly on the staff of David Geffen. 4) Cheers at Erin Brockovich publicly during screenings. 3) Absolutely despises anything other than the new world order. 2) Was last seen emerging from Ted Turners pants 1) She is the winner of the slot reserved in the music industry for musically challenged people who MUST be given a spot for humanitarian resons. Just get over it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:21:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni One, Two and three. > Did any lister purchase the Mingus-sans Joni Jazz recording? And if you > did, are the other melodies on the disk? I have a vinyl record called 'Chair in the Sky' by the group Mingus Dynasty that includes instrumental renderings of the Mingus melodies from 'Mingus' plus 'Boogie Stop Shuffle' and 'My Jelly Roll Soul'. However, BSS first appeared on 'Mingus Ah Um' so that rules that one out and the liner notes don't mention anything about Joni in relation to MJRS. The do mention Joni's collaboration with Mingus on 'Chair in the Sky', 'Sweet Sucker Dance' and 'Drycleaner'. So if this is the record you're thinking of, John, it would seem that the missing tunes are not on it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:15:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni One, Two and three. << So if this is the record you're thinking of, John, it would seem that the missing tunes are not on it. >> From what Simon has told me, and I consider him as the authority on the matter, these recordings are NOT in circulation. Hopefully, someday they WILL be! They are indeed the Holy Grail for us Joni collectors! :~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Real Men", (live 1/14/01) Thanks 2 my Dutch Uncle! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:21:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC (md) Bjork's voice, or "awk" as Joni calls it, is unique for sure. I think it's one of those voices that you love or hate. I don't care for it, but I'm certainly the first to concede that she has a passion for what she does (like Joni) and is not afraid to take chances in following her muse at the expense of popularity (like Joni). Harper Lou, if you don't dig the sound of her voice, I don't think you can get over that. I've had folks send me tapes of certain artists in order for me to better appreciate them, but it just doesn't work when I don't like their sound. Of course, Joni works in just the OPPOSITE way...I love her voice so much I have to make an effort to get past the *sound* of it to pick up on what she's singing... Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Stranger Than Fiction" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:32:19 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: "keep in touch....the years" whispers..."he was playin real good, for free" and i forgot his name, but i remember, yes, near the louvre...and then he busked in berlin and the leaves were listening as they breezed down the strasse..."the strains of benny goodman comin' through the snow and the pinewood trees" and peter falk watched him from the hotdog stand, and someone named helga...someone said he played in in montreal in the early years , in a dancing class...'the years, oh - keep in touch,' for i hear the wings of desire, but they cannot touch me (they try to touch me, from behind my shoulder, that i would rest my thoughts... let go...) they seem to know, the berliners, they seem to understand and that's why he went back there...to play and be heard...by something, by those who could wander to the columbia ice fields when he plays, by those who stand upon the monuments of berlin and no one sees them ("think what you'd like to have for supper, or take a walk a bridge a tree a river...in silence in a bell jar still a song...") she said, "she comes from germany...she's beautiful... and i like the way she dresses and i like the way she moves...we only acquiesce..... .....oh.....not quite..." she came to the yukon with all her german friends. she stayed with the bears...she photographed the bears...she knew he was playing for her ...she could hear his music in the icefields when she read rilke...he'd play of marlene dietrich she thought, not me (the distance, the cold)...he was thinking of marlene... 'anne thought he should 'sod off' with his 'integrity' and all, but i keep hearing, in the snow, the icefields, the bears...' ' i have to be with the dancers, the performance artists, the berliners' he would say... ' i leave it at THAT...' she would say, and the bears would go on with their dedication to fishing...to berries...to sleeping... and still he played long hours on the streets as the clouds rolled by and the americans would drop change in his clarinet case...and the rain played with his face and his fingers were cold...and still he played and only the angels listened... and the poet in the yukon... (see wim wenders' film ' wings of desire' jane siberry's 'dancing class' from cd "no borders here" or her website, http://www.sheeba marlene at http://www.marlene.com/ shane's site at http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactussongmain.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 13:52:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: list mail Hi David, It must have been someone else who mentioned your cd and Michael's comments to you because last I knew Michael was planning to listen in your suggested order, but hadn't found the time yet. All this talk of your new cd does inspire me to seek it out, this very afternoon, so I'm sure I'll have direct comments for you soon. atb, Debra Shea Michael Paz wrote: > I only commented that I picked it up (I think) and reminded people of your > request of sequence order. I have been trying find the time to spend on > putting down my feelings on the new record. So you haven't missed anything > yet! in response to what David Lahm wrote: > > I wonder if I too am not getting all the mail. Debra Shea told me the other > > night that Michael Paz had some nice comments on my new cd. I haven't seen > > that and of course I'd like to have that pleasure. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 14:17:31 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! Hi Bob, Yes, from what you'd written, I'd thought it was a double-header in celebration of the opening, but two nights of great music is much better. Twice the fun!!! And please do report on your RT experience. Is it the first time you'll have seen him live? If so, it's an extra-special treat. atb, Debra Shea P.S. Take your time with cleaning up the "extra" room. I'd hate to take you away from your cd-burning duties. ;-) NP: Richard Thompson, Cold Kisses, live performance, another jealousy, "do I measure up?" vulnerability story with beautiful guitar work; what a guy! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << Did I see mention of plane tickets and accommodations somewhere in here? >> > > Well, I can certainly offer the latter! But give me some notice so I can > clean up the junk room,...er I mean the *guest* room! ;~) > > Also, I didn't word my original post very well...Havens and Thompson aren't > together but rather will be presented on 2 seperate nights. My bad, but soon > to be my good! :~) > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 11:42:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: list mail njc Catherine McKay wrote:> > if you post something that's njc > without saying njc in your re: line, and then you want > to apologize to the joni-only crowd, should you put > njc in the re: line for the apology or not? I've often pondered this question in the depths of the night.... I think even an apology for not using njc is still njc and Joni only people do not want njc mail, so I conclude that you should put njc on the apology, which, of course negates the need for an apology at all. I guess it's like one of those zen koans.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 15:33:33 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Piano perc NJC/golden mean Paul Castle wrote: > RayEl's "... music employs the power of > science and of mother nature to attain the natural ratios of The > Golden Means (PHI) and the keyboard is styled after the table > of the Periodic Elements. > > (can anyone explain what 'The Golden Means' means - or point > me to a good source on the net? I think it has been discussed on > the jmdl before but my memory..... Hi Paul, I know the Golden Mean from art, where it's also known as the Golden Section, and is a system of deciding proportions devised by the Greeks based on the ratio of 1:1.618 (based on the shorter side is to the longer side as the longer side is to the sum of both sides, I think). Anyway, a canvas based on that ratio, a 3' x 4.85' one, for example, is inherently graceful and beautiful, and has a sense of order about it regardless of what's actually painted on it. The orderly feel is based on the fact that within the rectangle there exists a square (as peaceful and as grounded as a shape can be) and a remaining rectangle with the same 1:1.618 proportions, which again consists of a square and another rectangle with the same proportions and so on and on. The viewer doesn't consciously recognize this, but does feel it, probably because these same proportions are common in nature. Artists have made use of the Golden Section for thousands of years, either to invoke tranquility or to disturb it, just by the proportions of the canvas. That's my explanation from art. Anyone have a musical explanation? Here's a url I found that focuses on the mathematics of the Golden Mean and may be helpful to you: http://tony.ai/KW/golden.html atb, Debra Shea NP: RT, Beeswing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:04:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! << Is it the first time you'll have seen him live? If so, it's an extra-special treat. >> Yes, it will be...he played here a couple years ago and I missed him, but I won't this time around, barring unforeseen circumstances! Oh, and Ashara, Cheryl Wheeler is coming to this same small club, so maybe if you need to head down south for any reason... (I wish you could *all* be here today...temps are in the low 80's, the azaleas and dogwoods are opening up, it's really beautiful!) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:38:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: harvest moon in libra njc well, we're having the most fantastic and gigantic and yellow-est harvest moon tonight. [this is the southern hemisphere, thus early fall.] the moon is in libra tonight, making me more lightheaded than usual. i am in fact almost nauseous from so much dizziness and anticipation. i'm going to a party where i expect to meet the next great love of my life. with the moon in libra, however, this poor goat will be heartbroken and very lonely in a few hours. wallyK, np: BJORK BJORK BJORK BJORK BJORK BJORK BJORK [and no, bjork is not the reason why i will be alone for the rest of my life.] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:47:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: njc helga -- erste, zwite und dritte norne of mine!!!!! thank you for sharing erda's wisdom with me, darling! wallyK, your own private tochter babylons ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:22:49 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Kaki Crazy and Kashmir (NJC) Jacky, Paul, Azeem... Thanks for the report from the Kashmir. I've seen Azeem rave about it so often here and if I ever get to London, I definitely want to go! Jacky - that horse Kaki Crazy has raced here at the tracks in California, too!! LOL - Good to hear she's still going strong and I hope you win! Kakki (should be Kaki but all variations were already taken when I first got an email address ;-D
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------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:33:09 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Why I like Bjork (sjc) From the first I saw her perform with the Sugar Cubes on a show back in the 80s, I thought she was completely weird. But I think she is honestly weird and that's why I like and admire her. I think she is a true original and is not trying to be eccentric just to have a showbiz schitck. I always had a feeling Joni would like her and that was confirmed when Joni chose her to duet with over all the other bigger stars at the Stormy Weather benefit. It's too bad that the complete show has not been released because their duet was really good. Bjork was very strong and actually carried Joni through it (Joni seeming to be a bit shy out there on stage for some reason). As Bjork pranced around the stage and jumped all over Joni like a lovesick puppy, it was clear to me that she is a very sweet and endearing person. Despite the external trappings, she is very real. Unafraid to be uncool and a dork sometimes. I think she is great. Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why I like Bjork - now with NJC - --- Kakki B wrote: > From the first I saw her perform with the Sugar > Cubes on a show back in the > 80s, I thought she was completely weird. But I > think she is honestly weird > and that's why I like and admire her. I had never heard her, only of her, until tonight. I rented "Dancer in the Dark." I understand the music in the soundtrack isn't supposed to be "typical" Bjork, but at least now I know what she sounds like. You're right, Kakki, she is definitely weird. But I think she could grow on me, although she's not someone I'd likely be able to listen to a lot, or often. Speaking of weird - what a weird movie! In some ways, I loved it, in other ways hated it. Bjork's performance was very compelling, but why would the writer/director/anyone want to create such a character and then do so many horrible things to her? I was blubbing my eyes out for at least the last half hour. I really didn't want to watch the end, but I sort of had to by then. I'm no opera expert, but I'd say, that was an opera! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 20:11:42 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Why I like Bjork - now with NJC >--- Kakki B wrote: >> From the first I saw her perform with the Sugar >> Cubes on a show back in the >> 80s, I thought she was completely weird. But I >> think she is honestly weird >> and that's why I like and admire her. I saw her live a few years ago at the SF Warfield and it was really kind of cool- she had a 6 or 8 piece string section, and those were her only live musicians- the bass, guitar, keyboards and drums were all samples. Hell, it beats rehashed folk rock.... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:29:20 -0700 From: "emmy burns" Subject: Joni Interview Hi gang, I've been doing a massive amount of interviewing for my senior thesis regarding childbirth practices, perspectives and options of three generations of women in my family. During the transcription process I began fantisizing that instead of interviewing my family, I had interviewed Joni. When I got down to it though, I realized what a difficult process it would be to decide just what to ask her. I'd like to know what questions you all would ask Joni if you had the chance. In light of recent list discussion, one of my questions might be: whatever happened to the other three songs Mingus wrote for you? What's really eating away at you? Emmy
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------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:00:06 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Why I like Bjork NJC First a story that illustrates part of why I like Bjork: While travelling in Spain in 1971 (I missed Joni and James by a couple of years) I went to a party, not down a red dirt road but in a hostel in Algeciras. In one corner of the common-room a girl was singing and playing guitar, with a small but seemingly appreciative group of people around her. I couldn't figure out what she was singing and I could tell that her guitar was horribly out of tune. After puzzling it out for a while I realized that she was singing songs that I was very familiar with (Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, CSN) , but in a voice so void of pitch or control that the songs were essentially unrecognizable. But she sang with such feeling and unabashed pleasure that the people around her seemed to be completely taken in by her charm and lack of self-consciousness. She was singing herself through the songs she was playing. Bjork sings herself through her music. Her voice is not void of pitch or control but is exactly what she wants it to be. She is fearless in what she chooses to do, for better or worse. Sometimes I find her a bit over the top (I don't like her videos or lots of her second last album, for instance) but most of the time I find myself enraptured by her persona. She is totally in control of her musical output (much like Joni) and has a unique vision which puts her in a league by herself (much like Joni or Tom Waits). And when she growls "we'll go down to the baker to get the first bread of the morning" the sensuality and joie de vivre she puts into those simple lines gives me goose bumps. And really, Marcel, no artist deserves to be slagged the way you did Bjork. Say what you want about her music but I felt your comments were hitting below the belt. Whew, my longest post in ages. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #166 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?