From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #165 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, April 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 165 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- What's happening to the digest?? njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: list mail (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: list mail njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Jonatha Brooke@Alladdin Theatre,Portland - njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: goodbye pork pie hat ["Deb Messling" ] suspicious reasoning ["Deb Messling" ] Jedi in the UK (NJC) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Church of Elvis NJC ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Jedi in the UK (NJC) [catman ] suspicious reasoning and DED [catman ] HURRY and VOTE NOW Keep Joni on! ["janine sherman" ] Re: HURRY and VOTE NOW Keep Joni on! [Janet Hess ] Molly McGhee and Sunny Sunday ["janine sherman" ] Re: goodbye pork pie hat ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night [Michael Paz ] Church of Joni [Michael Paz ] Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The naming of cats - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Jedi in the UK (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night (NJC) [Michael Paz ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dry_Cleaner_From_Des_Moines=22_cover_by_Kjell erbandet?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_p=E5_plate=2C_NJC?= [] Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] Preserve the Artic Wildlife Refuge (NJC) ["Craig Harris" ] snow white NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] God's Perfection and Baseball (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: suspicious suspect [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:15:18 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: What's happening to the digest?? njc Hi folks, the digest is doing something v strange today (and it did a couple of days ago): it's fine up to a point, and then it goes haywire, with no spacing and all the posts jumbled together, making it a real trial to read. I append an illustration below: has this happened to anyone else, or is my computer playing silly buggers?? I'll write about the London get-together when this is sorted out! Azeem << might- -----Original Message-----From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf OfSCJoniGuy@aol.comSent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:12 AMTo: pyramus@lineone.netCc: joni@smoe.orgSubject: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival<>Pyramus, this is a great question...I must admit that I came to FTR late inthe game, right about the same time I joined this group, so I haven't 'grownup' with these songs. (Note to self: spend more time with FTR)Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybesomebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTRwill pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~)Anyway, Joni's lyric here is:"I went to see a friend tonightWas very late when I walked inMy talking as it rambledRevealed suspicious reasoningThe visit seemed to darken himI came in as brightAs a neon lightAnd I burned outRight there before him"My take on this piece from Joni is that the confusion of the relationshipshe's in/out of has clouded her judgement & reasoning, and even in the midstof her own conversation she feels like she is being somewhat incoherent.Like she thought she had it together, but revealed to her friend (and toherself) that that just wasn't so.Certainly not the theme of the song, but maybe an illumination of yourquestion...?BobNP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan whojust happens to be on this list! :~D)------------------------------Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:26:45 -0600From: "Brett Code" Subject: Molly McGee's Sunny SundayAre Molly McGee (The Tea Leaf Prophecy) and the shooter in Sunny Sunday thesame person?Brett,thinking of a woman of heart and mindwho did go------------------------------Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:43:02 - -0400From: dsk Subject: Re: Some thoughtsDavid Stork wrote:> I am fairly new to this group, I've just been looking for a while.> At whatever level our problems are music will always be able to> help &> JM's is some of the best.Hi Dave,Welcome to the jonilist community!You'll get no argument from me (or anyone on the list probably) aboutthis. And I know what you mean about appreciating the relative freedompeople in certain countries have; as far as I know my occasional left-wingranting doesn't interest the government here at all.> I am coming to NY and Boston for 16days around 4th July. Is there> anything on that's JM related. I'm already going to James Taylor's gig> at Tanglewood 3rd July nut may have time for another gig.I don't know of anything at the moment; might be time around then foranother gathering here in NYC. We'll all have to think about that as thetime gets closer. Where are you coming from? (just curious) And what'syour favorite Joni cd? (just curious, again :-)And do you know about Siquomb and NP and NJC (other than reading RR'srecent very funny but not quite accurate explanations)? If not, let meknow privately and I'll fill you in.> Best of luck to KobusI wholeheartedly second that.Once again, Dave, welcome... enjoy your stay!atb,Debra Shea------------------------------Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:54:54 -0400From: "Harp@louislynch.com" >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:18:30 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 In a message dated 4/6/01 2:32:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Incidentally does anyone have an idea what the > "suspicious reasoning" > might be ? >> > Just what it sounds like Good grief, are you in competition with IV Paul, or what? Come on, show some imagination, pally! It could mean a whole bunch of things. Pally . . . did you really say pally? Don't know what IV Paul said, but I'd have to guess it musta been spectacularly simple or I wouldn't be much competetion ... huh? Yes I've reduced it down to not using my "imagination" ... my take on Joni ... sometimes, I think, it's just that simple. And isn't "suspicious reasoning" rather a saying of sorts? I'll look it up in John Prine's Big Old Goofy World. Thanks so much for the enlightenment. My thirty years of listening to this woman and I'm back to the Freshman class. Peace, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: list mail (NJC) - --- catman wrote: > jimmy-I am not that daft! As soon as I read the > first sentence I knew just what > wickedness you were conjuring. Shame on you. > Now get on those knees..... > > FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > Kakki wrote: > > > > ....... and that's how Joni became best > friends with Carly Simon. > > > > Wow Kakki! > > > > That's the most interesting and amusing story I've > ever read. Thanks so much > > for sharing with all of us :~) > > Well, he almost had me reeled in but I caught myself just as I was about to bite! (horrible fishy metaphor that doesn't quite work, but I couldn't be bothered working on it). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:36:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: list mail njc - --- mags wrote: > well damn, i forgot the njc for one thing and just > to clarify what i meant in my > previous post... Question (which I've just discovered comes out wurdyion if you accidentally put your left hand on the wrong home keys) - if you post something that's njc without saying njc in your re: line, and then you want to apologize to the joni-only crowd, should you put njc in the re: line for the apology or not? Hmm. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I agree that she is merely using poetic license to > say suspicious instead of > suspect because suspicious reasoning flows better, > but I'm not sure about the > suspicion aspect. In my mind, she is saying he > talking as she rambled > revealed questionable reasoning, poor logic or > something to that effect. > Wow! Paul and I agree! But you said it better than I. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke@Alladdin Theatre,Portland - njc - --- BRIAN SYMES wrote: > J Bro rocked this little former neighborhood movie > theatre last night > showing up in this rainy night town dreesses in > Black Suede boots > Lipstick red leather pants and a tight blue thirt > with Starsky and > Hutch on the front. Check out her video at her website - http://www.jonathabrooke.com/core.html She's wearing that shirt! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:50:43 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: list mail I think there are problems. I know at least one post of mine didn't make it; a VERY IMPORTANT NJC post asking for advice on naming my new cat! (Too late for advice now; we named her Jenny. She looks like El Cafe). I am anxiously awaiting my copy of the new Jazz Takes CD! All I've heard are the Amazon.com clips, but they sound great! > I wonder if I too am not getting all the mail. Debra Shea told me > the other > night that Michael Paz had some nice comments on my new cd. I > haven't seen > that and of course I'd like to have that pleasure. > - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:50:44 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: goodbye pork pie hat I'm not an expert on Mingus, but I'm an expert on correcting people! My understanding from the press accounts was that Mingus indeed wrote all his compositions on "Mingus" except Pork Pie Hat with the Joni project in mind. I think he had working names of Joni 1, Joni 2, etc. > I'm not an expert on Mingus, but here's my understanding on it, > and somebody > correct me if I'm wrong. > A Chair In the Sky, Sweet Sucker Dance, Dry Cleaner, Pork Pie Hat > were all > Mingus compositions that existed WAY before this project. Joni added the > words. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:58:46 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: suspicious reasoning One thing I love about this list is the different interpretations people have of even the most "plain-speak" lyrics. I never in a trillion years would have thought about "suspect reasoning." I always assumed she was questioning a lover's fidelity, or a lover's something! She was talking to her friend about her relationship, and getting tangled up in her own distrust and suspicion. > In my mind, she is saying he talking as she rambled > revealed questionable reasoning, poor logic or something to that effect. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:21:29 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Jedi in the UK (NJC) There is to be a census in the UK in early August. (? 7th) One of the questions is what religion you are. If enough people (10,000) declare themselves to belong to a certain religion it must be recognised by the powers that be. An e-mail is circulating the UK urging people who do not hold any particular religion to enter "Jedi" in the appropriate box. If enough people do this, Jedi will become a recognised religion in the UK on August 8th, and all those who declared themselves to follow Jedi will be deemed to be Jedi Knights, and will presumably be allowed to put "Jedi Knight" in the occupation box on their passport! May the fourth be with you all! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:04:33 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Church of Elvis NJC In Portland, Oregun in Old town in an back alley some one decorated a store front Window with Elvis Pictures and memorablia and called it The Church of Elvis. Couples started showing up and getting married in front of the window. I think some of us has a particular American sence of humor about our stars and how we tend too worship them almost like royal's. My certain reverence for religion tends sometimes mirror Monty Pythons Movie "The Life of Brian". In the name of God humanity has killed and still is killing. But in the end a good Joni song now is the last cut on Wild things Runs Fast. Love to all Brian - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:28:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Jedi in the UK (NJC) > May the fourth be with you all! Jedi Kniights lisp? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:41:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: suspicious reasoning and DED I thought she meant her reasoning was flawed. I was playing DED on the 20 mile trip to get John from the station. I love this album. Anyway, I have meant to say before that although I have heard Empty describes as oriiginal, it reminds me of Money by Pink Floyd on TDSOTM, similar opening and trick. I then remembered to tell you that a new game show is starting here called Dog Eat Dog, another mean go for throat games show that seem to be all the rage now. I then got thinking about The Weakest Link and how I didn;t thinkt hat would go down well in the USA as it has a very rude presenter and the shows relies on shaming people. Basically if you get things wrong, Anne Robuinson sames you and throws you off the set saying'you are the weakest link'. I was quite wrong I guess as they are doing the show in the USA for USA tv and they are importing Ms Robinson do still be the quizmaster. now I can see that working. It would be like having a USA quiz hosted by Maggie T. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:01:56 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: HURRY and VOTE NOW Keep Joni on! If we are truly 500+ strong we can save her! Vote quickly, she's going = down. http://www.rollingstone.com/games/survivor/default.asp [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of RollingStone.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:31:32 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: HURRY and VOTE NOW Keep Joni on! I did my part! And they wouldn't let me cast a vote on behalf of Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty. At 09:01 PM 4/6/2001 -0400, janine sherman wrote: >If we are truly 500+ strong we can save her! Vote quickly, she's going = >down. > > - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:25:52 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Molly McGhee and Sunny Sunday Hi Brett, I think I have heard Joni say that the shooter in Sunny Sunday was a friend or roommate of someone (she) Joni painted with and Molly McGhee is supposed to be her mother. McGhee is her mother's maiden name, Myrtle McGhee. Janine Brett, thinking of a woman of heart and mind who did go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:29:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: goodbye pork pie hat > I'm not an expert on Mingus, but I'm an expert on correcting people! My > understanding from the press accounts was that Mingus indeed wrote all his > compositions on "Mingus" except Pork Pie Hat with the Joni project in mind. > I think he had working names of Joni 1, Joni 2, etc. Deb is absolutely right. Here is a quote from Cameron Crowe's interview with Joni for Rolling Stone in 1979: Mingus had written what would later become his last six melodies ("Joni I-VI, " he called them), and he wanted Mitchell to write and sing the lyrics for them. She spent the last year and a half working on the project, her first collaboration, working mostly in her apartment in New York's Regency Hotel. I wonder what happened to the other 3 melodies? If you leave out GBPPH which we've already established was written long before Joni's collaboration with Mingus, that leaves only 3 melodies that were actually penned by Charles Mingus on Joni's recording: 'Chair In the Sky', 'Sweet Sucker Dance' and 'Dry Cleaner From Des Moines'. I wonder if she ever tackled the other three? Oh for those missing demos! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:52:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night Being lost is GOOD especially with friends. Alone it is good too sometimes, but I prefer it with friends. This year at New England JoniFest I am NOT driving OR giving directions. I am gonna be a passenger/bystander that will probably be lost anyway, but no matter cause i will be with my friends. Glad you guys had a great time and can't wait to see Willy The Shake in the Crescent City. love Paz on 4/5/01 8:43 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Hey > It was a good time had at Judy's Chelsea last night. I didn't get home till > the wee hours of the morning, but what the heck. It was great to finally meet > Willy the Shake, Debra Shea, Lorie Reason, and Willy's friends Mark & Fenny > (who were a belly full of laughs I might add) Willy made his debut last night > at Judy's Chelsea. He sang "A Case of You" accompanied by Tracey Stark on > piano (just beautiful!) We drank, sang, smoked, talked and laughed a lot. > Thanks guys for coming out to play. I could do this easily again soon. > And...yes I got a little lost Paz driving all by myself in and out of the BIG > apple. > > > Rose in NJ > a bit of a hangover > NP: Richard Thompson Live 1988 > Thanks Ali > > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:03:54 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Now I am upset. (md) Actually Im just lonely. I feel left out big time. It seems that poor Victor made a simple innocuous comment concerning a way to appease religious prostelyzers who come to his door and it was actually very creative. Then before I know it there is this giant super nova of angst and consternation positively raging on the list. People getting all over the top and throwing virtual javelins at each other with intellectual histrionics aplenty. Hurt feelings, borderline War of the Worlds or is it Words. Anyway for once I had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Havent even opinied. Not a peep. Did ask a one sentence question to someone to try to get clariffication on one small point but never got a response. Thats OK. It feels funny. Normally i can start something like this without even trying but I must be getting old because I missed this one entirely. In fact sometimes I DO start things like this without even trying so I know how it feels. Keep the ol' chin up Victor. In a way its making me feel like Im losing it. Maybe I should just post the single word "Bimbo" and see what happens again. Hmmmm. Oh no, I'll wait until it gets boring again. Then Ill do that. Well back to my reading the book Im reading which is highly controversial but somewhat arcane. Its called "The Complete Abridged World History of the Development and Evolution of the Butterfly Ballot". Yeah I know Im a little different but ........I just hope Im not left out of the next great debate like I certainly was this time. Maybe next time prior to actually breaking out into useless banal arguments they can post an announcement like "Frivolous banal all out argument to begin at 0900 EST". Cheers Y'all. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:13:28 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: list mail I only commented that I picked it up (I think) and reminded people of your request of sequence order. I have been trying find the time to spend on putting down my feelings on the new record. So you haven't missed anything yet! I WILL tell you that Ladies of the Canyon is BY FAR my favorite track and I do like this record and encourage you all to go out and support our fellow lister David Lahm and his new record. I almost had to fight Freda who saw the new disc sitting on my desk and picked up and said, "I am gonna put this in my car to listen to", to which I replyed, "OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!!!!" She settled for the first one until I am good and ready to relinquish control of this new treasure. Hopefully I will get to do my review this weekend. Thanks Dave for your wonderful work! BTW I am still hoping that things might change for me on Memorial Day weekend and I will be able to join you guys. Have a great weekend, Paz on 4/6/01 10:56 AM, Dflahm@aol.com at Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I wonder if I too am not getting all the mail. Debra Shea told me the other > night that Michael Paz had some nice comments on my new cd. I haven't seen > that and of course I'd like to have that pleasure. > > > LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:19:40 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Church of Joni Start bringing out the hammers and the boards and the nails..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:33:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night In a message dated 4/6/01 9:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > Being lost is GOOD especially with friends. Alone it is good too sometimes, > but I prefer it with friends. This year at New England JoniFest I am NOT > driving OR giving directions. I am gonna be a passenger/bystander that will > probably be lost anyway, but no matter cause i will be with my friends. Glad > you guys had a great time and can't wait to see Willy The Shake in the > Crescent City. > > I didn't mind being lost and alone. It was kind of kewl driving through the almost deserted streets following the garbage trucks and the street sweepers. :~P You can get lost with me in my car, but no toenail painting allowed. Do me a favor will ya? If you see Willy, dub him a Joni Video. The guy has never seen Joni live. Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:38:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: The naming of cats - njc - --- Deb Messling wrote: > I think there are problems. I know at least one > post of mine didn't make > it; a VERY IMPORTANT NJC post asking for advice on > naming my new cat! (Too > late for advice now; we named her Jenny. She looks > like El Cafe). > I figure, in most cases, you have to live with a cat for a while before you can name it. Then the name will just hit you and it will be perfect. Every so often you know what a cat's name is the minute you meet the cat. I have one cat who must have about 20 different names. Despite all that, maybe because of that, she still answers best to "Kitty, Kitty, Kitty" (the ingrate). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jedi in the UK (NJC) - --- catman wrote: > > May the fourth be with you all! > > Jedi Kniights lisp? > > They thertainly do - whatth the problem, mithter? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:00:51 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night (NJC) You got it! One Joni video for Willy the Shake coming up. BUT I don't understand, why no toenail painting in your car??? on 4/6/01 7:33 PM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/6/01 9:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: Being lost is GOOD especially with friends. Alone it is good too sometimes, but I prefer it with friends. This year at New England JoniFest I am NOT driving OR giving directions. I am gonna be a passenger/bystander that will probably be lost anyway, but no matter cause i will be with my friends. Glad you guys had a great time and can't wait to see Willy The Shake in the Crescent City. I didn't mind being lost and alone. It was kind of kewl driving through the almost deserted streets following the garbage trucks and the street sweepers. :~P You can get lost with me in my car, but no toenail painting allowed. Do me a favor will ya? If you see Willy, dub him a Joni Video. The guy has never seen Joni live. Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 23:03:12 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni One, Two and three. Which would it be, Joni One, Two or three? Which one do you think she would want the world to see? Besides the original studio takes of Mingus... one wonders what ever became of the other Mingus melodies he wrote for her? He labeled them one through six. Yeppers, Bob, Pork Pie existed as a landmark composition of Charles' well before Mingus was recorded. Chair in the sky and Dry Cleaners were part of the new 6 that lived to see the sun, but what ever became of the other tunes??? If Joni and Charles had to copywrite them, could they be found through the Library of Congress? If I remember correctly, Mingus was recorded again soon after the release of Joni's take as a pure instrumental album with assistance from Charles' wife. I assumed at the time to give his music its 'due' without the clutter of Joni's lyrics and to put the work squarely in a jazz form. I didn't buy the disk at the time when I saw it in the store... but somehow, I don't recall the missing Mingus melodies being on this recording either. But perhaps they were? Did any lister purchase the Mingus-sans Joni Jazz recording? And if you did, are the other melodies on the disk? John, not Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:27:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dry_Cleaner_From_Des_Moines=22_cover_by_Kjell erbandet?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_p=E5_plate=2C_NJC?= ******WOO0 HOOO!!********* Wow! Bob Muller found a real gem this time! The band is Kjellerbandet from Norway. Their version of "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" is a rare treat. Great music AND great sound. IMO, this is what horns sound like. They have dynamics. This is a jumpiing, swinging, loud, in your face "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines". It even streamed perfectly for me. (That cat's got luck!) http://www.stud.ntnu.no/studorg/kb/index_eng.html Click on "Sound&Picture" on the left. Click on "Sound archive" when the drop-down opens. Beneath 'Our first official CD release - "Kjellerbandet pe plate" ', click on "Listen". Click on "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines". Whew! That cat's got LUCK! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 01:16:00 -0400 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Please Help! Explain Bjork... NJC Hi all, I hope some of you will be gracious enough to respond to my question at the end of this post. It's important to me! Kind Catherine Turley sent me the Stormy Weather CD. Thanks Catherine, I finally heard it. Yay! Sandra Bernhardt is particularly horrible -- campy singing on a campy song. Stevie Nicks' "At Last" is killer good wow! And, of course, two tracks later, there's that lovely "Stormy Weather" by Joni. Natalie Cole and Trisha Yearwood are super. Shawn Colvin tries way too hard, as usual. But, oh my -- someone should have listened to it before it was pressed. There's a major mistake on the CD. It includes a track by Bjork, who must have sneaked into the studio late at night to sabotage the album and the engineer forgot to erase it from the master. Bjork sings (?) "Gloomy Sunday." First time through, I had to skip it after about four lines. But second time through, since Bjork is right between Stevie and Joni, I thought I'd be a man and listen to the whole track. Besides, I was driving to Pittsburgh four hours away, and I had CD time to kill. ("Miles of Aisles" and Bobby McFerrin's "Medicine Music" were the main course.) I have been a musician all my life, and I thought I knew a lot about music appreciation. You know, I can see a reason why people like Wagnerian opera and N Sync and Ethel Merman and even Tammy Faye Bakker. But, this one stumps me. Could someone please explain HOW Bjork ever made it to national acclaim? I was dumbfounded when I heard people actually applaud for her. Her singing is horrible. It's way way way off-key, her phrasing is crippled, her delivery is banal, she breathes like she's on a respirator, and her voice doesn't sound nice. About the nicest thing I can say for it: it's very whiny. I can't believe she would be included in a compilation of jazz ballads featuring such a nice mix of female vocalists. Her attempt to sing a classic song like that was pitiful. I always thought I just didn't go for the trendy and dliberate weirdness of her original compositions, but I respected her right to be avant gardeand to wear totally looking dead swans. But, oooh, what is it about her singing that people like? Am I going daft and narrow in my old age that I can't even understand why people would applaud for Bjork? I don't like Gloria Estefan's voice at all, but she's a good singer and I can understand why people like her. Same with Peter Cetera -- I want to donate one of my bollocks to the poor bloke to bring his voice back into the male range. But I can understand why people like him -- he can sing. I respect Michael Bolton, Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, and EVEN Bob Dylan for their singing, even though I don't like the sounds of their voices. The bottom-of-the-heap bad singing by Mr. Weir of the Grateful Dead can be justified with drugs or just plain dancing your ass off. And, Eminem has talent in rapping, even though I hate everything he does! But Bjork? What appeal does her voice have? Is it a young people thing? Am I missing out on an issue of new drugs or something? Do people actually buy her albums for real? Someone please tell me why you like Bjork's singing! Maybe I can learn to respect her because someone whose taste in music I respect respects her. Validation by association. Wretching at the memories of Bjork's high notes, even with several Joni albums hence, Harper Lou PS. I recall someone saying that the "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" on Miles of Aisles was awful. I'm not sure of the words used, but someone listed it as one they didn't like. Well, you're wrong! It's wonderful. It was wonderful the first time I heard it. It was wonderful every time I've heard it since. And it's still wonderful. In fact, today, it was wonderful three times back to back because I repeated the track! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:40:07 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Let me try to answer my own question. thanks to everyone who told me that McGee is Joni's Mom. I guess the more interesting question is whether she, like both Molly and the Shooter, wants (or wanted) to leave but can't (or couldn't). And why. Does Joni ever really go to the why? Or does she only describe the fact of will-less desire. The shooter always misses, but the day she hits that's the day she leaves. Always missing means never leaving - and never is a long, long time. As for Molly, the seasons go round and round and she says she's leavin but she don't go (How dare she write such brutal grammar -- can we go there again???) Joni is hinting at something here, wanting to get to the essence of that thing, that 'whatever-it-is' that keeps people, particularly certain women, I guess, almost trapped with their spouse - 'til death, I guess, no matter what kind of abuse, fear, hatred, boredom, whatever it is that causes one to shoot out streetlights and wish, every spring, as night follows day, to be gone, but not to go. Don't know what you got til it's gone. Brett, Waiting for Godot in a joni lyric collage - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brett Code Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:27 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Are Molly McGee (The Tea Leaf Prophecy) and the shooter in Sunny Sunday the same person? Brett, thinking of a woman of heart and mind who did go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:52:50 -0700 From: "Craig Harris" Subject: Preserve the Artic Wildlife Refuge (NJC) I hope this doesn't start a debate, but those of you who are interested in this, Here's what you can do: If you haven't already, go to http://www.savearcticrefuge.org and sign the petition urging Bush and Congress not to drill in the Arctic refuge. The wealthy special interests will use every available legislative method to exploit this unique national treasure. The U.S. Geological Survey says the amount of economically recoverable oil from the refuge would amount to less than a six-month supply for America. It's not worth endangering this vital wilderness and wildlife refuge for so little oil. "The Arctic Refuge is our greatest wildlife sanctuary, and drilling there would be like drilling in Yellowstone National Park or the Grand Canyon. The coastal plain is its biological heart. Called "America's Serengeti," it is home to polar bears, musk oxen, wolves, millions of migratory birds, caribou and hundreds of other species - and is one of the few truly wild places left. The industrial disturbance would be immense and spills inevitable. Polar bears could abandon their dens, leaving cubs to die. BP's facilities at nearby Prudhoe Bay constitute one of the world's largest industrial complexes, and in 1999 alone it had 293 spills of 44,551 gallons! And remember all the wildlife killed by the massive Exxon Valdez oil spill." Craig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:54:36 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: suspicious suspect It is so easy and so intellectually dishonest to assume that Joni chooses one word over another because it sounds better Only a country bumpkin believes that the right way to say something is the local expression when applied to the turns of phrase the innuendo subtlety and depth of a poet of Joni's genius. Yeah, Billy-boy, she'd a went "suspect reasonin" if she'd ever even finished grammer school. Such reductionist nonsense inflames me. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: snow white NJC This has nothing to do with Joni or e-mail viruses, but that post reminded me of Donald Barthelme's novel Snow White, which is a postmodern retelling of that story, complete with sex and weirdness. Recommended for those who like that difficult experimantal fiction that seems to have fallen out of favor in recent years. I received that Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs The True Story from hahaha@sexy.net email w/ attachment this morning again. DON'T OPEN IT! IT'S A VIRUS. DELETE IT and delete it from your recently deleted emails. Delete it from your recycle bin. Get rid of the little worm. I suggest you'll update your virus definitions and scan your PC's Sorry for the bandwidth. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 07:32:42 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: God's Perfection and Baseball (NJC) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Brooklyn, New York, CHUSH is a school that caters to learning disabled children. Some children remain in CHUSH for their entire school career, while others can be mainstreamed into conventional schools. At a CHUSH fundraising dinner, the father of a CHUSH child delivered a speech that would never be forgotten by all who attended. After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he cried out, "Where is the perfection in my son, Shaya? Everything God does is done with perfection. But my child cannot understand things as other children do. "My child cannot remember facts and figures as other children do. Where is God's perfection?" The audience was shocked by the question, pained by the father's anguish, and stilled by the piercing query. "I believe," the father answered, "that when God brings a child like this into the world, the perfection that he seeks is in the way people react to this child." He then told the following story about his son Shaya: "One afternoon, Shaya and I walked past a park where some boys Shaya knew were playing baseball. Shaya asked, 'Do you think they will let me play?' "Shaya's father knew that his son was not at all athletic and that most boys would not want him on their team. But Shaya's father understood that if his son was chosen to play it would give him a comfortable sense of belonging. Shaya's father approached one of the boys in the field and asked if Shaya could play. The boy looked around for guidance from his teammates. "Getting none, he took matters into his own hands and said 'We are losing by six runs and the game is in the eighth inning. I guess he can be on our team and we'll try to put him up to bat in the ninth inning.' Shaya's father was ecstatic as Shaya smiled broadly. Shaya was told to put on a glove and go out to play short center field. In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shaya's team scored a few runs but was still behind by three. In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shaya's team scored again and now with two outs and the bases loaded with the potential winning run on base. Shaya was scheduled to be up. Would the team actually let Shaya bat at this juncture and give away their chance to win the game? "Surprisingly, Shaya was given the bat. Everyone knew that it was all but impossible because Shaya didn't even know how to hold the bat properly, let alone hit with it. However, as Shaya stepped up to the plate, the pitcher moved a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shaya should at least be able to make contact. "The first pitch came and Shaya swung clumsily and missed. One of Shaya's teammates came up to Shaya and together they held the bat and faced the pitcher waiting for the next pitch. The pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly toward Shaya. As the pitch came in, Shaya and his teammate swung at the ball and together they hit a slow ground ball to the pitcher. The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could easily have thrown the ball to the first baseman. Shaya would have been out and that would have ended the game. Instead, the pitcher took the ball and threw it on a high arc to right field, far beyond reach of the first baseman. "Everyone started yelling, 'Shaya, run to first. Run to first.' Never in his life had Shaya run to first. He scampered down the baseline wide-eyed and startled. By the time he reached first base, the right fielder had the ball. He could have thrown the ball to the second Baseman who would tag out Shaya, who was still running. But the right fielder understood what the pitcher's intentions were, so he threw the ball high and far over the 3rd baseman's head. Everyone yelled, 'Run to second, run to second.' Shaya ran towards second base as the runners ahead of him deliriously circled the bases towards home. As Shaya reached second base, the opposing short stop ran to him, turned him in the direction of third base and shouted, 'Run to third.' As Shaya rounded third, the boys from both teams ran behind him screaming,"Shaya run home." Shaya ran home, stepped on home plate and all 18 boys lifted him on their shoulders and made him the hero, as he had just hit a 'grand slam' and won the game for his team. "That day," said the father softly, with tears now rolling down his face,"those 18 boys reached their level of God's perfection." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:39:07 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #108 In a message dated 4/6/01 6:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << - IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I agree that she is merely using poetic license to > say suspicious instead of > suspect because suspicious reasoning flows better, > but I'm not sure about the > suspicion aspect. In my mind, she is saying he > talking as she rambled > revealed questionable reasoning, poor logic or > something to that effect. > Wow! Paul and I agree! But you said it better than I. >> Because I had your statement to build upon. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 02:56:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: suspicious suspect In a message dated 4/7/01 2:03:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bcode@istar.ca writes: << It is so easy and so intellectually dishonest to assume that Joni chooses one word over another because it sounds better >> Are you suggesting that the singability of a lyric is not a factor in her choice of words? If so, I strongly disagree. Paul I ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #165 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?