From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #163 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 163 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: It's called HUMOR, folks NJC ["hell" ] joni in rock n roll survivor ["Garret" ] Re: being a friend [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: jmdl get-together NJC (kinda long) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Rolling Thunder and other stuff [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] Re: athiest not! NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: jmdl get-together/Willy NJC [dsk ] Re: iso artwork ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Being a friend [Catherine McKay ] Re: Mini JoniFest [Catherine McKay ] Mini NYC Fest ["Kakki B" ] Re: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! [dsk ] Joni Nuts ["Kakki B" ] Re: iso artwork [mags ] Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC [dsk ] RE: Piano Lesson in Survival ["Brett Code" ] Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday ["Brett Code" ] Re: Some thoughts [dsk ] Re: It's called HUMOR, folks NJC ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] Freddie Mercury & Our Joan/Church of Joni [Lindsay Moon ] "My Top 12" 1983 JM Interview [Lindsay Moon ] all this talk of holiness now -- lesson in survival [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:14:25 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: It's called HUMOR, folks NJC Tyler wrote: > The BEST thing about discussion groups like this is > hearing a wide variety of opinions about a wide > variety of subjects by a wide variety of people. > > The WORST thing about discussion groups like this is > people so full of their own self-importance that they > assume posts by total strangers with whom they have > one thing in common are personal attacks. Which is exactly what I was about to say. And there is another alternative, folks. It's called the delete key. I've used it frequently over the last year on subjects like: US Presidents, Florida (not Jimmy, but the election!), chads, bands I'm not interested in, etc., etc., etc. I don't start posting messages saying that everyone must stop because I don't like the subject matter - that's what an unmoderated list is all about, and the reason Les created the NJC tag. With 600 people on this list, chances are someone will post a message you don't agree with, or even find insulting. I'll use an expression that is common in my group of friends: If you don't like it, don't look! And for the record, I've loved the "Church of Joni" thread! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:02:04 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: joni in rock n roll survivor i was sent this wonderful oddity today: http://www.rollingstone.com/games/survivor/ remember, the point is to *not* vote for Joni, harsh as *that* may seem! i dont know if its been on the list already. i'm numerous digests behind!!! well, it is that time of year again- exams start in less than four weeks! GARRET np- Hole, gold dust woman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:57:55 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: being a friend well, with supporters like me who needs detractors eh? i hope i didn't put any words in your mouth with my reply, and think i may have! always a danger! anyway, i fear the list doth protest too much. and just between you and me, the very oldest (and weariest) ruse is "i was only kidding!" but to tell you the truth, yours was the only reply i looked for and only one of about 4 or 5 that i actually read. i don't have the time (or the inclination even if i did) to read them all, having an actual life to live...or a facsimile thereof. one thing this list teaches, from time to time, is that this too shall pass. good luck to you and all. ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:22:19 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdl get-together NJC (kinda long) In a message dated 4/5/01 5:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > introductions were made, and of course, it was the > lovely and wonderful willy the shake. he has a warm > smile and sparkle in his eye. shortly after > introducing me to his friend Fenny, Patrick Leader > showed up for a little while and we had some > stimulating conversation and cocktails. then, rose > showed up (after a customary two-hour drive and twelve > LOL, you're too kind to me. Thanks Alison for saying what I wanted to say, but ah I say it better with photos anyway. - -Rose Joy rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:40:26 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Rolling Thunder and other stuff Whoa, Did I read something about a "Dog Eat Dog" tribute album???? I hope to God this isn't a mean rumor being sent around to excite us and then dissappoint us!!!!!! Does anyone know about the now legendary tribute album and it's release date?? I've been going crazy with anticipation for it!!!!!! Other Joni info: I recently ran across a copy of the "Rolling Thunder Log" written by Sam Shepard...........It was published in the late 70's and it's Shepard's personal memoir of the concert tour complete with tons of photos............There are about 5 pictures of Joni (circa 1975, "Hissing" period) that are very cool, I had never seen them before........The book gives Joni's "Rolling Thunder" experience a little more light............. I have a promo copy of "How Do You Stop"..........non-remix...............If anyone wants to trade..................... And ............Is there a Joni site that contains photos? If so, where is that? thanks, PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:04:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: athiest not! NJC > I reitierate God does not need anything from us neither praise nor worship or belief. It is us who need and we need to be loved and to love and love is an action not a feeling. It does not include condemnation, hatred, callouness, indifference. Although I generally agree with most of your views on religion, Colin and although I was *not* going to get in on this particular thread, there is one thing I want to say. *In my opinion* whatever that unknowable being is that has laid out the vast unknowable plan of the Universe and given each of us the life that connects each & every one of us to one another and also connects each & every one of us to that being or force or God, if you choose to call it that - that being does want to be appreciated. Maybe it doesn't *need* for us to acknowledge & thank it for the incredible, miraculous gift of life and the wondrous universe all around us, but I believe it is pleased when we do so. On the other hand, I don't believe that it has the time or inclination to be concerned about a joke made about it or to get worried or angry or upset about one little human or group of humans' sex lives or whether they had too many cocktails or smoked too many cigarettes last night or any of the myriad other trivialities that many people seem to think 'God' concerns itself with. But I do believe it is pleased when we treat one another with love and respect. And I also think it wants to be loved, like Shug Avery told Miss Celie in 'The Color Purple'. But that's just my opinion. FWIW Mark in Seattle (really not meaning to offend anybody & apologizing for all those run on sentences) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:27:18 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: jmdl get-together/Willy NJC Alison E wrote: > introductions were made, and of course, it was the > lovely and wonderful willy the shake. he has a warm > smile and sparkle in his eye. Yes, I was quite taken with Willy the Shake, with such Scottish charm and a very pleasant slight burr in his accent (yep, *he* talked funny), and a warm and huggy personality too. I told him I'd looked forward to meeting him because his posts always include odd combinations of capital letters and lots of plus signs in among phrases I could understand and I was curious about how that would translate into actual speech. (Leave it to a New Yorker to lay it on the line, yes?) Well, turns out he had NO IDEA his posts looked that way. His keyboard apparently had a mind of its own, or a speech pattern of its own, and he was embarrassed, chagrined, appalled, to find out all his posts to the list had looked so jumbled. (A friend had told him a message he'd received was confusing and why, but Willy didn't realize ALL his posts to everyone, including the joni list, were confusing too.) I told Willy I had thought his posts showed he was an unusually creative person, who was saying something that I just couldn't quite figure out the code for. He is indeed creative, turns out, but CE+DVRN etc within his sentences isn't the way he expresses it. So, when he next has access to a computer and there are no unusual "codes" in his posts, don't worry, anyone. Willy's not depressed and he's still creative; he'll just be using a keyboard he can boss around. > unfortunately, i had to leave as i was dead tired and > had to work early the next morning. of course, this > makes me a big loser, as i did not get to hear willy > sing when they took the party back to Judy's Chelsea! Yeah, you missed a real treat! Willy sang "A Case of You" first, and after a little tentativeness while he and the pianist got into the same groove, it became the sweetest sounding and most emotional version I've ever heard. Very nice sound, Willy. And a while later, he sang "Free Man in Paris". Again, a very heartfelt rendition. > i had a bit of a hangover, and i didn't even stay out > that late! man, getting older sucks. Yeah again. There's supposed to be some wisdom stuff kicking in. Like that's a decent tradeoff to spending all night on the town whenever one wants to! Don't think so! > anyway, i think i have rambled on for long enough. a > great time was had by all, and i only wish that i > could have spent more time with willy while he was in > the city, and lori too! I've been doing some very pleasant hanging with Lori while she's been in town, and it's great she was able to get to the gathering too. She's here for work... work? When there's fun to be had? but yes, work including some very long WORKdays, so it was fun seeing her again. I hope Willy drops into New York again many times. And I was very happy to finally meet Rose after some "almost" opportunities and to also meet Fenny and Mark (more warm hearted folks) and to once again spend some time with goofy, aged Alison. I joined the gathering later than expected so I missed seeing David Lahm this time since he'd left by the time we returned to Judy's Chelsea. Last week Lori introduced me to him during our visit there, and he's a warm charmer too. Our chat then was too short but still very enjoyable, and Judy's is a comfortable, friendly, very welcoming place. (Hey, GREAT place for a jonifest!!!) It was so hard leaving there last night, with the piano playing and the singing and the relaxed atmosphere, but a couple of us were literally asleep with heads on the table so the rest of us took it as a sign to call it a night, finally. > willy asked me tell everyone hello, he misses > everyone, and that he had a really great time getting > together with the group and meeting up with us jmdler > freaks. > i think that's what he said... Sounds about right. I hope you had a good trip to Houston today, Willy, and good luck on the job, singing, creativity search. And, please, stay in touch. I'm looking forward to seeing you on the list again, and, you know, there is that demo cd to be done... atb, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:54:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: iso artwork Here's the info on Joni's UK appearance on the BBC in late 70. James has had a career ever since doing such gems as "Fire And Rain", and covers like Carole King's "Up On The Roof". This tape is widely circulated and available free to JMDLers. Lama - --- BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor, Paris Theatre Studios London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date), BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE (Recording #CN 1485/S) JONI MITCHELL 1. That Song About The Midway 2. The Gallery James Taylor 3. Rainy Day Man 4. Steamroller Blues JONI MITCHELL 5. The Priest 6. Carey James Taylor 7. Carolina On My Mind JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 8. California 9. For Free 10. The Circle Game 11. You Can Close Your Eyes JONI MITCHELL 12. Hunter 13. River 14. My Old Man JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor 15. A Case Of You JONI MITCHELL 16. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) - --- From: "Doomalone Doomalone" Subject: iso artwork I was thinking to myself if I can't find it here it's impossible so through a trade I became owner of a cdr with a Joni Mitchell concert listed as 'For Free' and from 29th October 1970 in London, England. Lot's of interesting things happen on this cdr that I want to know more of, especially the track list and who's the guy backing up. Please contact me off this list (I'm not a regular as to reading all the digests) if you have some answers, please. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Being a friend - --- Sue Cameron wrote: > Ric and Shane, > > As much as we may write things like that > on list those of us who had the opportunity > to meet Joni were very reverential in person. > Les and Wally paved the way for us. I know > Wally made a difference in how we acted toward > her in Detroit. > > Yes, Joni might be concerned at first with what she > read, but being a writer herself I think > she would understand the difference between what > people write and how they act. > I agree, Sue. I suspect Joni would say, "You people are nuts!" and she'd be right, but that, IMO, is a good thing. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mini JoniFest - --- rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > > Rose Joy created a SmashCast movie for you to see > at PhotoPoint. Rose, this is so cool! (But none of you look anything like I had imagined you.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:44:28 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Mini NYC Fest Rose and all, Thanks for the photos and reports. Rose, once again you've given us such great pics - the fun shone right through and I thought you all looked just mAHvelous. Good to hear that Lori is having some fun despite the workload and that Willy is shaking it up in the U.S. Thanks to Debra for decoding the secret of Willy's posts. I, too, always thought that he was just very creative in his expression - have always loved his posts so hope he doesn't do too much "correction" when he returns ;-) Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:51:28 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I got an e-mail this morning announcing the re-opening of The Handlebar, a great intimate concert hall. Victor & I saw Jonatha there back in '99 (although we hadn't met at that time). > > Anyway, they're re-opening in a new place and to kick it off in May they're going to have Richie Havens and Richard Thompson!! Awesome! > > Debra Shea, please come down to Greenville and be my date for the Thompson show! :~D This will be a great show!!! Richard Thompson plus Richie Havens... oh, I can hear the intense guitar playing now. I'll bet they do some songs together. Even if it was just RT this would be a great experience. I saw him a few weeks ago at Joe's Pub here in New York, small place, about 150 people, all acoustic, and it still amazes me the sounds he gets out of his guitar. (It would be beyond wonderful to see Joni in such a place.) And I have tickets to see him this month at Town Hall here, so... May... yeah, I could go for another RT encounter by then. Did I see mention of plane tickets and accommodations somewhere in here? .... I keep looking. :-) > I'm VERY excited about the chance to see some great live music again... Certainly understandable. Definitely go. And please let me know how it is. Did you get "Action Packed" yet? (It came out last week.) The remastered songs sound much different than the originals; his voice is more upfront, rather than balanced between guitar and voice, so on initial listen it's not instantly my favorite. A fan's gotta do what she's gotta do, though, so I have it and am glad I do. There's also a redone version of Persuasion on it with his son Teddy that has much fuller instrumentation and sounds downright lush. And there are also a couple of tracks that have never been on a cd and one I'd never heard, Fully Qualified to be Your Man, a "tired of just being friends" story from a guy's point of view. Worth the price of the cd, from a completist's viewpoint anyway. There's also a new live performance cd to be released soon through his new website. > NP: Hootie & The Blowfish, "Drowning" (saw these guys at a little club called Al's Pump House, about a year before they hit big) Being in the same space as the performer(s) is a wonderful experience! There's something mystical about the physical connection between people, all those actual sound waves washing over and through everyone. Ok, so it's just plain old enjoyable too; I can go for that. Have a good time with RT and Richie. I've met RT both times I've seen him in concert, so he's very accessible to his fans. Don't know if he'll hold your hand the way Joni did, though. I wouldn't count on that happening. An autograph and brief chat seems to be the usual procedure. :-) atb, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:49:34 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: Joni Nuts I've always just assumed Joni thinks we are all nuts. But I think with time she has come to see us as amusing ones (she did enjoy the cookbook/bios and has always been warm and open to those who have met her) plus I think her vanity and ego, like all mortal creatures, secretly kind of likes the fact that she, too, has her own little group on the internet, motley as we may be sometimes ;-) Kakki
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:52:40 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: iso artwork Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Here's the info on Joni's UK appearance on the BBC in late 70. James has > had a career ever since doing such gems as "Fire And Rain", and covers like > Carole King's "Up On The Roof". This tape is widely circulated and > available free to JMDLers. > > Lama > --- > BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor, Paris Theatre Studios > London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) > Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date), BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE > (Recording #CN 1485/S) > > JONI MITCHELL > 1. That Song About The Midway > 2. The Gallery > James Taylor > 3. Rainy Day Man > 4. Steamroller Blues > JONI MITCHELL > 5. The Priest > 6. Carey > James Taylor > 7. Carolina On My Mind > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > 8. California > 9. For Free > 10. The Circle Game > 11. You Can Close Your Eyes > JONI MITCHELL > 12. Hunter > 13. River > 14. My Old Man > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > 15. A Case Of You > JONI MITCHELL > 16. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) in my most humble, heartfelt opinion, I highly recommend this tape to anyone who does not have it. What a treasure! The chemistry between Joni and James is so special and heart warming. I especially love You Can Close Your Eyes... npimh: Bri singing that song... :~~~~ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:21:12 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > For a review of a recent club date (Blue Note in NYC) that mentions Brian's > affiliation with Joni, use the following link: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/arts/04BLAD.html Interesting review. Lori and I were at the Blue Note last Thursday to see Brian Blade and the Subterranean Sextet and what a wonderful experience it was! (Yeah, live music is great!) What we've seen of BB when he's with Joni is just a bit of what he's capable of. Leading his own band, he was a wild man behind the drums, making sounds I'd never heard come from drums before, and bouncing high off his stool, extremely physical and energetic (instead of his always gentle manner when he's playing with Joni), and grimacing and smiling and laughing, and just having the grandest time. Much of his sound is shimmery, like waterfalls, with lots of surprises thrown in, soft sounds underlaying the sharper ones, and it's completely unique (to my ears anyway). We stayed for his second set, which consisted of different songs; there's a new one that had mesmerizing repetitive sections and then the sound opened up again. Very beautiful. I hope it shows up on his next cd. He's quite soft-spoken and gracious when speaking; behind the drums I'm sure he's still those things, but the noisy way he speaks through the drums is a completely different language. The sounds he makes are sometimes so unusual and subtle and complex it makes sense to me now why Joni wanted to work with him. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:41:11 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Piano Lesson in Survival I feel that I have lived this song (with genders reversed). the guy is the one who you're dating on the rebound your soul mate left you you will always love him but you know your needs and you are willing to try to attempt to move on you have left your door open to your soul mate and you are waiting for him to change his mind In the mean time you know your needs and there was this cute guy you dated him a couple times you laughed you found things in common "Wow! You speak English, too!!" but you can only talk about your soul mate even when you come hungrily stumblingly into his living room you called he said "sure" you started to talk about how much you like him but which "him" became a question he asked you who you are talking about. You said something that sounded like double talk, trying to pretend that you were talking about him when you were really talking about HIM He saw right through your suspicious reasoning darkened his brow and your needs which you thought you knew and which caused you to sparkle as you stumbled hungrily became clear again and you were alone with this guy heavy company Brett. thanking Kakki for leaving the list and then coming back, cause I've been listening to FTR with all my might - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:12 AM To: pyramus@lineone.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival <> Pyramus, this is a great question...I must admit that I came to FTR late in the game, right about the same time I joined this group, so I haven't 'grown up' with these songs. (Note to self: spend more time with FTR) Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybe somebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTR will pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~) Anyway, Joni's lyric here is: "I went to see a friend tonight Was very late when I walked in My talking as it rambled Revealed suspicious reasoning The visit seemed to darken him I came in as bright As a neon light And I burned out Right there before him" My take on this piece from Joni is that the confusion of the relationship she's in/out of has clouded her judgement & reasoning, and even in the midst of her own conversation she feels like she is being somewhat incoherent. Like she thought she had it together, but revealed to her friend (and to herself) that that just wasn't so. Certainly not the theme of the song, but maybe an illumination of your question...? Bob NP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan who just happens to be on this list! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:26:45 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: Molly McGee's Sunny Sunday Are Molly McGee (The Tea Leaf Prophecy) and the shooter in Sunny Sunday the same person? Brett, thinking of a woman of heart and mind who did go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:43:02 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Some thoughts David Stork wrote: > I am fairly new to this group, I've just been looking for a while. > At whatever level our problems are music will always be able to > help & > JM's is some of the best. Hi Dave, Welcome to the jonilist community! You'll get no argument from me (or anyone on the list probably) about this. And I know what you mean about appreciating the relative freedom people in certain countries have; as far as I know my occasional left-wing ranting doesn't interest the government here at all. > I am coming to NY and Boston for 16days around 4th July. Is there > anything on that's JM related. I'm already going to James Taylor's gig > at Tanglewood 3rd July nut may have time for another gig. I don't know of anything at the moment; might be time around then for another gathering here in NYC. We'll all have to think about that as the time gets closer. Where are you coming from? (just curious) And what's your favorite Joni cd? (just curious, again :-) And do you know about Siquomb and NP and NJC (other than reading RR's recent very funny but not quite accurate explanations)? If not, let me know privately and I'll fill you in. > Best of luck to Kobus I wholeheartedly second that. Once again, Dave, welcome... enjoy your stay! atb, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:54:54 -0400 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Re: It's called HUMOR, folks NJC In reference to Shane's objection to the "Church of Joni" jokes, Tyler wrote > > The WORST thing about discussion groups like this is > people so full of their own self-importance that they > assume posts by total strangers with whom they have > one thing in common are personal attacks. > Sorry, Tyler, but Shane wasn't attacking anyone. He simply raised the possibility that Joni might feel uncomfortable, or turned off, if she read that people were deifying her. He made a valid point. He wasn't telling people what they could do. He wasn't full of his own self-importance. He only said he didn't care for the thread. That's all. I didn't care for the thread either. Although I do confess to enjoying Don Rowe's (or Larry Klein's) participation in the discussion. For those who thought it necessary to tell us it was only a joke, thank you, but we knew that already. For crying out loud, this Harper has taken a lot of flack for his own bizarre sense of humor -- I respect other people's right to make jokes, too. Feel free to make any jokes or comments you want. But also let others feel free to say what they think. If someone voices an objection to something or mentions a sensitivity to an issue or comment, it doesn't mean that the person is trying to restrict your speech, or that the person is so stupid that he/she can't understand the concept of joking. We know it's humor. But we're allowed to say we don't like it. If someone tells ethnic jokes or gay jokes or sexist jokes, would it be wrong to object or at least voice a concern? Same goes for any subject for which strong feeling can be attached. You are quick to accuse people of being "full of their own self-importance." For what? Saying what's on their minds? In that regard, everyone is full of their own self-importance, because it's impossible to say what's on other people's minds. I'm sorry, but from the way you position yourself, if seems as though YOUR opinion is obviously more important than Shane's or anyone else's. Read Shane's comments again with an open mind. He wasn't blasting anyone. He was just wondering what Joni might think. A lot of famous people are uncomfortable with stuff like that. Shane merely asserted that, because of the way he respects Joni Mitchell, he didn't like the strain of humor. I applaud him for being brave enough to say what's on his mind, and I hope everyone on the list feels free to do the same. You state that you want to be able to say what's on your mind and not "give a flying fuck" about what other people think. But yet you criticize Shane for saying what's on his mind. Think about it. Tiring of the hypocrisy, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:11:02 -0600 From: evian Subject: larry klein/ben orr njc Well DAMN, I *KNEW* there had to be a reason why I love the Ben Orr album so much!! I never even read the liner notes all those years. Good luck bidding, The Lace bidding wars get crazy.... sigh Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:17:01 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Freddie Mercury & Our Joan/Church of Joni Leslie Ross wrote: I've sometimes wondered about Joni's opinions about Freddie and Queen, thinking that she might have admired him/them that wonderfully complex music. I'm not familiar with much of their work other than the hits, but they always seemed to strive for excellence. Sorry to offend anyone with the Church of Joni thread in which I participated. I never meant any offense and certainly don't mean to make light of anyone's feelings about religion. My sense of humor tends toward the absurd. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:35:07 -0600 From: evian Subject: church of joni Hey y'all (y'all y'all y'all --- oops, sorry, been nipping at the cough syrup again), Yeah, the Church of Joni thread wasn't my thing and I began skipping the posts, but let's all relax a little -- I mean, it's a joke (which I am sure a million people have posted -- I am still one digest behind). I really don't think we are going straight to hell for laughing at it And I mean, come on y'all -- I know someone said something like "what would Joni think if she saw that" and I mean, big whoopie-fucking-ding, she'd either laugh, or think we were totally nuts, and either way, it matters not to me. What DOES give me the willies is always trying to be tasteful or "monitoring" my posts in case Joni one day gets drunk at a party and decides to read the archives for a laugh. THAT would ruin it for me, that unconscious ass-kissing. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in on the church of Joan thang. Oh well, I am converting to Stevie Nicksism anyway -- we're calling ourselves the twirling dervishes.... Of course, I may be back to the Dog Eat Dogites soon enough --- I'll miss dancing with the drag queens and the punks. TGIF, Evian np: damn cat in heat again, who won't take no for an answer from the dog... it's a hard knock life, lemme tell ya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:55:30 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: "My Top 12" 1983 JM Interview Would anyone happen to know the name of the interviewer who interviewed Joni on this show? I am transcribing it for Les's site and would rather have a name identifier when he speaks rather than "Announcer." A second announcer comes in at the end and speaks to him saying what sounds like "Thanks, Addy." Thanks for your help. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:01:42 -0600 From: evian Subject: all this talk of holiness now -- lesson in survival Well, since we HAVE been throwing out the whole thing about FTR and "Lesson in Survival" lately, and since we've touched on the religion thing kinda sorta, I was just wondering how close others feel to "Lesson in Survival" and how the song speaks to him/her. The song keeps coming into my head over and over lately, especially the "holier reminders that you're just not good enough" line. I mean, how much more brilliant of a line can that be? It speaks volumes to me, especially as I am trying to reverse my thinking and actions into finding joy and bliss again in religion, and trying to stop using it as a crutch of "OMG, everything is screwed up, get me through this". While the latter reasoning IS useful at times, I guess I am trying to be more positive and thankful and peaceful and... well... seeking joy in religion, because the "oh help me when I am in need and I'll try to remember you once in a while when things are going good" is just all take, no give to me. So, I guess what I am trying to say is that in my search for a return of joy/bliss/thankfulness to my spirituality, I DO often come against that whole "you're just not good enough" thought, which I think I have been taught in my various church experiences (which is why I don't belong to a church anymore, either, I suppose, but then again, I haven't tried for a while either). Anyway, just wanted to see if others have found that line or the song so poignant as well. "Lesson in Survival" and the Indigo Girls "Galileo" (and the "how long til my soul gets it right" line) are two songs that really say the things that I often think and never really articulate. Anyhooo, sorry for boring you with this, just wondering what your thoughts of the song/line are. Evian np: same ole cat, sounding like she's getting jiggy with the dishwasher door... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:34:16 -0700 From: "Kakki B" Subject: church of joni Evian wrote: >What DOES give me the willies is always trying to be tasteful or "monitoring" my posts in >case Joni one day gets drunk at a party and decides to read the archives for a laugh. I'd bet "monitored" posts would give JONI the willies. (This cracked me up to picture Joni after a few tequilas gathering her pals around someone's computer to have a good laugh at the archives. I would hope we'd give her many of them). >Oh well, I'm converting to the Stevie Nicksism anyway -- we're calling ourselves the >twirling dervishes....Of course I many be back to the Dog Eat Dogites soon enough We will never allow your release! Please instead consider affiliating with the Jonirosicrucians, a loosely assembled, non-sectarian group of FTR lovers and unregenerate music sluts, which actively welcomes all factions, including the Doggenites, the Hejiri, the Blues and related Turbulent Indigos, even the Celineistas. Makes for a more interesting music happenings when we gather for our "meetings." Want to hear Katrina and the Waves? You got it. Howard Jones? Coming right up. The complete, unabridged Stevie or CSN? Name that tune.... Kakki
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