From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #162 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 162 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Commandments (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: My MTV Life (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Question??..... [Catherine McKay ] Re: Church of Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine [Catherine McKay ] RE: Church of Joni ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni [catman ] NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni (NJC) [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: Singing NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Piano Lesson in Survival [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Being a friend ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni [catman ] athiest not! NJC [catman ] Re: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni [catman ] Re: Church of Joni ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Church of Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] Mini JoniFest [rosemjoy@aol.com] Dulcimer [Steve Dulson ] re: Mick Rock, Freddie Mercury and Joni (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: Church of Joni [Don Rowe ] gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Mini JoniFest NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Church of Joni [Steve Polifka ] Re: Goldy, silvery and ironyNJC [catman ] Re: Being a friend ["shane mattison" ] Re: Church of Joni [catman ] RE: Piano Lesson in Survival ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Goldy, silvery and irony ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Mini JoniFest NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: being a friend ["shane mattison" ] Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Goldy, silvery and irony [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni [Don Rowe ] It's called HUMOR, folks NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc [catman ] jmdl get-together NJC (kinda long) [Alison E ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:35:51 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Commandments (NJC) Any others??> In my case - "Thou shalt not say 'bollocks' about which thou knowest nothing." (other than when thou breaketh thy guitar string!) PaulC (still blushing!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My MTV Life (NJC) - --- catman asked Hell: > Have > you ever read any Minnette > Walters? I am reading The Shape Of Snakes right now. > She really is very good, > intellignet writer and grips you from the start. Ooh,i read that - she's an excellent writer. I think I've read all of her books (there aren't enough). Very good writer, and plenty of plot twists. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Question??..... - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I'm sure it can be shown that Big Yellow Taxi IS > similar to the blues and > Chuck Berry; it does literally have only three > different chords. But to me, > what makes Joni Mitchell Joni Mitchell is that when > I hear her do it on LOTC, > it doesn't sound or feel like the blues or Chuck > Berry. It is something > wonderfully new, fresh, bold and unprecedented. That > uniqueness is an > inspiring challenge. I think I'd like to hear Joni do a Chuck Berry impression though, wouldn't you? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Church of Joni - --- Steve Polifka wrote: > The one problem would be that the church would > probably split into two > factions. One, the For The Roses Synod, and the > other, the Hejira Synod... > Take it from a(n) (ex)Lutheran... You have a point. There'd probably be a splinter group too, a sect, a cult just for Dog Eat Dog ;] Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine - --- CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > Hey Joni-maniacs, > > Been too busy to post, but it was nice to get > ACOUSTIC GUITAR in the mail > today with an article on the Joan. > I ordered a subscription to Acoustic Guitar through my kids' school (they get a %age of the funds)back in Oct and still haven't rec'd it yet. Called them the other day to find out what's going on and was told, due to technical difficulties (yeah, right) (this was the co. that handles this subscription/fundraiser thing, not AC itself), there was a delay - but I should be getting the May version. And now you tell me there's an article on Joan - my day is made! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: My last word on a possible church of Joni For god's sake people - it was a JOKE! I've seen plenty of things said here that I personally object to and plenty of jokes that I personally don't find funny. Do you think anyone here really *worships* Joni? I'm not going to tell anyone they're being overly sensitive because, let's face it, sensitivity is pretty subjective, and relative, and it depends on the time, the day, a whole bunch of things, how one reacts to anything. There are a lot of very good messages in Joni's songs and talk about how some religions try to bully you or shame you into doing things their way. None of it is serious (I hope not.) Besides, I'm an agnostic in any case - I don't worship anything - to me, if there is a god, he or she would be more like what Shane said - a friend, an equal, not an object to be worshipped. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 06:46:24 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine The May issue isn't online yet, but here's the URL for the Acoustic Guitar website, which will presumably include the Joni article when the time comes. http://www.acguitar.com/ - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:23:01 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Church of Joni Catherine McKay wrote, in jest:- > You have a point. There'd probably be a splinter > group too, a sect, a cult just for Dog Eat Dog ;] Definitely a cult, probably the underground, secretive, shadowy sort that the secret services are interested in. They'd have very close links with the WTRF cult too, I'd imagine. :-D (Ducking...) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:54:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni > - a friend, an equal, not > an object to be worshipped. too true. the idea that God needs to praised and worshipped is quite ridiculous and an invention of the human ego. It is people who like to be worshipped and praised! if God is 'whole' then She/He?It doesn't need to be told how wonderful She/He/It is! It seesm that most people have turnd God into a montrous version of US!(or maybe a pretty accurate reflection!) If God is our 'parent' then we are made of the same stuff-pure divine spirit. Can't be any other way. Horses don't give birth to cows. We are made in God's image, so we are like God and are God. > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:55:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Church of Joni > Definitely a cult, probably the underground, secretive, > shadowy sort that the secret services are interested in. > They'd have very close links with the WTRF cult too, I'd > imagine. :-D The real ouside edge cult would be the Mingus crowd. > > > (Ducking...) > > --Chris - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:23:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni <> My notion of worshiping God is more tied into service to others. It is *my* graciousness as a response to *God's* grace. Believe me, it's not ridiculous for me but rather is quite a reality. Jesus asks Peter if he loves him, and when Peter answers that he does, Jesus' simple response is NOT "Worship me" but rather "Feed my lambs"...so my interpretation of that is that we love (and worhip) God by serving and helping others. Sorry for the religious references, I know a lot of you disagree, but it's hard for me to remain totally silent on the topic, silence equating to acceptance and all that...if God hadn't helped me through a lot of crap in my life, I wouldn't feel like I had to defend my faith. But God has, and therefore I do. I also understand that my relationship with God is a personal one and that everyone else does what works for them, which is one of the things that makes the world such a cool place. Dammit, I promised myself I was not going to post on this one...;~) Bob NP: Richard Isen, "Fish Eye Curve" (I hope some of you are picking up on this wonderful disc...it's a perfect "morning" record) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:48:16 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni (NJC) In a message dated 4/5/01 3:56:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << For god's sake people - it was a JOKE! I've seen plenty of things said here that I personally object to and plenty of jokes that I personally don't find funny. Do you think anyone here really *worships* Joni? >> Well said, Catherine. What the heck is going on these days? As a dyed in the wool Episcopalian, it wasn't one of my favorite jokes, but IT WAS CLEARLY A JOKE!!! Some folks are having fun with the joke. Good for them, we need a heck of a lot more fun in this world of ours. I admit to a couple of chuckles, myself, but have always had a questionable sense of humor. :-) No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:43:57 -0500 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Re: Church of Joni Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of Joni, and that the rest were going to hell... God forbid that any of the grourps were to really SEE her! Yikes!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Steve Polifka" ; Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Church of Joni > > --- Steve Polifka > wrote: > > The one problem would be that the church would > > probably split into two > > factions. One, the For The Roses Synod, and the > > other, the Hejira Synod... > > Take it from a(n) (ex)Lutheran... > > You have a point. There'd probably be a splinter > group too, a sect, a cult just for Dog Eat Dog ;] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Singing NJC pyramus wrote: > I always sing in the car. I often wonder > what it must look like to people > travelling in the other direction. I must > look like some demented goldfish. :) Why, pyramus? Do you drive an AMC Pacer??? ; ) Lori, popping in for just a sec, in DC (http://www.unfoundation.org) Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:11:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival <> Pyramus, this is a great question...I must admit that I came to FTR late in the game, right about the same time I joined this group, so I haven't 'grown up' with these songs. (Note to self: spend more time with FTR) Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybe somebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTR will pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~) Anyway, Joni's lyric here is: "I went to see a friend tonight Was very late when I walked in My talking as it rambled Revealed suspicious reasoning The visit seemed to darken him I came in as bright As a neon light And I burned out Right there before him" My take on this piece from Joni is that the confusion of the relationship she's in/out of has clouded her judgement & reasoning, and even in the midst of her own conversation she feels like she is being somewhat incoherent. Like she thought she had it together, but revealed to her friend (and to herself) that that just wasn't so. Certainly not the theme of the song, but maybe an illumination of your question...? Bob NP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan who just happens to be on this list! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:36:55 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: Being a friend Ric and Shane, As much as we may write things like that on list those of us who had the opportunity to meet Joni were very reverential in person. Les and Wally paved the way for us. I know Wally made a difference in how we acted toward her in Detroit. Yes, Joni might be concerned at first with what she read, but being a writer herself I think she would understand the difference between what people write and how they act. My 2 cents. Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:34:16 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > My notion of worshiping God is more tied into service to others. It is *my* graciousness as a response to *God's* grace. Believe me, it's not ridiculous I didn't say it was. your idea of 'worship' is exactly the same as mine. Service to other lving things is what it is about. I don't call it worship tho. > > > Jesus asks Peter if he loves him, and when Peter answers that he does, Jesus' simple response is NOT "Worship me" but rather "Feed my lambs"...so my interpretation of that is that we love (and worhip) God by serving and helping others. > > Sorry for the religious references, I know a lot of you disagree, but it's hard for me to remain totally silent on the topic, silence equating to acceptance and all that...if God hadn't helped me through a lot of crap in my life, I wouldn't feel like I had to defend my faith. But God has, and therefore I do. Exactly but I was not attacking your faith. you have interprested what I wrote as an attack. I don't undertsand why. > > > I also understand that my relationship with God is a personal one and that everyone else does what works for them, which is one of the things that makes the world such a cool place. > > Dammit, I promised myself I was not going to post on this one...;~) > > Bob > > NP: Richard Isen, "Fish Eye Curve" (I hope some of you are picking up on this wonderful disc...it's a perfect "morning" record) - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:35:45 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Church of Joni Steve Polifka wrote: > Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of > Joni, and that the rest were going to hell... > God forbid that any of the grourps were to really SEE her! Yikes!!!! > But we already have a version of that. Some of us aren't true Joni fans because we don't like everything she has done and we don't have enough educashun to truly 'get' her. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:53:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: athiest not! NJC Furhter to you post. I really don't see why you took as a personal attack. we have the exact same ifdea as to what worship is. Love and service. To me this is entirely different from singing hymns and saying rote prayers telling God how wonderful S/He is! That is the sort of worship I think stems from the human ego and the ego's desire to be 'worshipped'. We shouldn't look so hard to be offended. Whilst we are on the topic, my thoughts of 'religion' are well known. However, some of you have equated that with being athiest. Couldn't be further from the truth. I have gone from being a very firghtened, stuttering, dysfunctional wreck who hated life and himself,to a person who really enjoys each day, who looks forward to experiencing each day. Who hold his head up, speaks his mind, gives what he can. For years I followed the route of meds and shrinks. Fat lot of good that did. Just added to my problems. I had no where else to turn and what i take to be God revealed the way to me. That way was the way of love and God sent me someone to help me heal and God gave me the strength to withstand it. Until you have been to the very edge of the abyss you don't know what it is. No joke, I thought the healing would kill me or send me insane. My 'faith'(tho i don't call it that cos it is more like 'knowing') is the most important thing in my life. It is the only reason I have a life. It comes before everything and everyone. Nothing is more important than my reltionship with God as I understand God. Yet, because I am not A Catholic, or a Born Again or a Presbyterian or Mormon or JW or whatever you choose, my 'faith' is considered nothing. Yet it is from the heart, it is my own and grows everyday in the way my God chooses. I reitierate God does not need anything from us neither praise nor worship or belief. It is us who need and we need to be loved and to love and love is an action not a feeling. It does not include condemnation, hatred, callouness, indifference. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:52:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni <> No, I didn't interpret what you wrote as an attack at all, Colin, merely a differing perspective. If what I said clarified what you said, so much the better! My apologies if you took it in another way than I intended. Bob NP: Bob Dylan & the Band, "Yazoo Street Scandal" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:04:16 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Re: My last word on a possible church of Joni > Believe me, it's not ridiculous for me but rather is quite a reality. > > > , I wouldn't feel like I had to defend my faith. these words are why i thought you felt attacked. If no thought of being attacked why the need to defend? Still, at least you clarified, I guess! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:10:31 +0100 From: catman Subject: springNJC We had 3 days of 70 deg weather, after months of rain an dsnow and cold. That was spring. Now we have had 3 days of rain and wind and cold.Kyoto anyone? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:37:42 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Church of Joni Having originally started this thread, I must say that my intention was to show how silly it would be to have a church of Joni and accordingly, how silly I think the Jehovah Witness spiel is. Ironically, it didn't occur to me that one would actually be created. However, I find it more of a joke than anything else and don't see anything to get offended about. Also, I don't think the point of having this list is to only share statements that we would say directly to Joni Mitchell. In a way, that sound more like "worshipping" to me, this idea that she is this unseen presence observing the list and being there without our knowledge, checking everything that we say. I find this list more a place of creative freedom, a place for satire, parody, and saying whatever you feel. My original point was that creativity can blossom freely and we can discover things on our own and at the same time, allow other people to be creative as well. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:28:40 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni In a message dated 4/5/01 9:02:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of > Not to hell, but to LARRY KLEIN!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:54:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Mini JoniFest Hi! Rose Joy created a SmashCast movie for you to see at PhotoPoint. Here is a brief description of the movie: I created this little slide show from our photos we took last night. Hope you enjoy! Cheers, Rose in NJ Simply click the link below to go directly to the movie. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/MM?u=1630229&s=100071182 Or, if you use AOL, use this link to see the movie. 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If you want to start sharing your photos online today, sign up for your free PhotoPoint membership. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AcctSignup?Expand=true Celebrate Your Life In Pictures(TM) at PhotoPoint today. http://www.photopoint.com Thank you, The PhotoPoint Family ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:56:26 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Dulcimer Clark wrote: >The writer mentions a few interesting details, such as Joni's >"backpacking" trip through Europe during the writing of BLUE >in which the only instrument she carried with her was a dulcimer >and a flute (!). I always thought that Joni took the dulcimer along to Mattala, etc. because it was easier to lug around than a guitar. >The writer also >extrapolates that it was the dulcimer which went on to influence her later >guitar and piano playing which would be more deeply colored with drones and >tonic notes. Yes, and as Patricia mentioned, slapping the strings. Does she do that before the Blue album? - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:19:36 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Mick Rock, Freddie Mercury and Joni (NJC) It is with an amazing amount of gratitude that I note with great satisfaction that what I suspected is true: that the Queen II cover/Bohemian Rhapsody shot was in fact inspired by that gorgeous frame of Marlene Dietrich in "Shanghai Express." "Shanghai Express" is one of the great Josef vonSternberg's masterpieces, a visual feast! In my mind, the shot of an emotionally distraught Dietrich relishing a cigarette in a corner of her train compartment lit only by a single overhead source is one of the most beautiful in all cinema. The cinematography by Lee Garmes and uncredited) James Wong Howe is almost unparalleled even since. von Sternberg was a master at moving camera and multi layered scenes. His contributions to the "vocabulary" of cinematic storytelling are legendary. This film is almost NEVER seen on television, and is available only in VHS format. Thank you Mick Rock for keeping that flame burning. And thanks Leslie for posting that tidbit! CC "Every picture has its shadows, and it has some source of light." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:29:38 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Goldy, silvery and irony Buongiorno Bambini ( lets not go through the bimbo one again..lol) Re: Church of Joni and the backlash.....doesn't irony have a place in our community? Let's not take things too literally. It's meant to be humourous....that's all....some light relief. Maybe its one of those cross-cultural misunderstandings. There is a great tradition here of lampooning and satire which may not carry well across the ocean.It knows no bounds. I'd be intrigued to hear how others 'know' how Joni would react. I think she'd laugh her head off ....(metephorically). PS I have scabby knees all right but not from any religious experience darlings Love Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/5/01 9:02:20 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > > > > Oh, and all the factions would claim that they > were the one TRUE church of > > > > Not to hell, but to LARRY KLEIN!!! > > Stephen I am writing this to inform you that will not pursue the Archbishopric of The Church of Joni Mitchell-Klein. If nominated I will not run. If elected, I will not serve. Larry Klein ;-) ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:43:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: gathering at Judy's Chelsea last night Hey It was a good time had at Judy's Chelsea last night. I didn't get home till the wee hours of the morning, but what the heck. It was great to finally meet Willy the Shake, Debra Shea, Lorie Reason, and Willy's friends Mark & Fenny (who were a belly full of laughs I might add) Willy made his debut last night at Judy's Chelsea. He sang "A Case of You" accompanied by Tracey Stark on piano (just beautiful!) We drank, sang, smoked, talked and laughed a lot. Thanks guys for coming out to play. I could do this easily again soon. And...yes I got a little lost Paz driving all by myself in and out of the BIG apple. Rose in NJ a bit of a hangover NP: Richard Thompson Live 1988 Thanks Ali rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:19:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Mini JoniFest NJC In a message dated 4/5/01 11:03:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rosemjoy@aol.com writes: << I created this little slide show from our photos we took last night. Hope you enjoy! >> Thanks for the great slide show Rose!!! Looks like yall had a great time. I had no idea Laurie Reason was in the states. Laurie, where the heck have you been??? We miss you! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:22:43 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni In a message dated 4/5/01 11:37:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > I am writing this to inform you that will not pursue > the Archbishopric of The Church of Joni > Mitchell-Klein. If nominated I will not run. If > elected, I will not serve. > > Larry Klein ;-) > The question, dear Klein, is have you ever served? And if so, whom? :-) Stephen (Who loves DED) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > The question, dear Klein, is have you ever served? > I actually have a pretty wicked serve. It's my backhand that needs work! ;-) Larry K. ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:33:22 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Church of Joni You don't really believe that, do you? I've gone through times where I would shun a song or two, and now I've forsaken a few albums, but if I think about it, at the time I was into that particular song or album, I've gleaned and learned and assimilated what I needed to and have moved on- I have grown! "Were some have found there paradise Other's just come to harm..." "Well it never has been easy Whether you do or you do not resign Whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line... It's all personal choice. We like what we like! That's what makes you a unique part fo the JMDL! Steve At 02:35 PM 4/5/01 +0100, catman wrote: > > >Steve Polifka wrote: > >> Oh, and all the factions would claim that they were the one TRUE church of >> Joni, and that the rest were going to hell... >> God forbid that any of the grourps were to really SEE her! Yikes!!!! >> > >But we already have a version of that. Some of us aren't true Joni fans >because we don't like everything she has done and we don't have enough >educashun to truly 'get' her. > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:39:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Goldy, silvery and ironyNJC > . There is a great tradition here of > lampooning and satire which may not carry well across the ocean. you could say that! > > > PS I have scabby knees all right but not from any religious experience darlings LOL! Naughty boy! > > Love > Gordon - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:41:05 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: Being a friend Sue and Cameron, I don't think i wrote the same thing as ric, but i feel certain that Cameron said the same thing as Sue. Could we each be listened or responded to on the basis of our own comments and not someone else's? I wrote about a few ecclesiastical phrases being used. I was not referring to these others who had the privilege of meeting Joni.As someone who lived with an Anderson family member and is still close on a daily basis, I think because someone else acts proper when they meet her does not have much to do with those who use this liturgical language in this list. Can each person be responsible for themselves? I do not see it as an issue of Joni understanding the difference between behavior and words, though i think she also should be allowed the respect of having her own thoughts on the matter, but i do think, if there is an understated admission that such words are undesirable, then we should be encouraged to "talk our walk". The question I raised was would Joni like to read about the "Church of Joni?" perhaps by different people who she doesn't know? My 3 cents. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Cameron" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Being a friend > > Ric and Shane, > > As much as we may write things like that > on list those of us who had the opportunity > to meet Joni were very reverential in person. > Les and Wally paved the way for us. I know > Wally made a difference in how we acted toward > her in Detroit. > > Yes, Joni might be concerned at first with what she > read, but being a writer herself I think > she would understand the difference between what > people write and how they act. > > My 2 cents. > > Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:42:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Church of Joni Steve Polifka wrote: > You don't really believe that, do you? as you didn't quote, I am not sure what you are referring to. If you are referring to what i think you are referring to, and i referr to it now, it has been suggested or right out written here on this list. Of course I don't believe it! You will have to referr to others tho to see if they do! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:42:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Piano Lesson in Survival yeah, like, MARK FROM SEATTLE RESURFACE!!!!!!! wallyK, blossom head [blossom DEARIE that is] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 05 de Abril de 2001 10:12 a.m. Para: pyramus@lineone.net CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Piano Lesson in Survival Anyway, Lesson in Survival is certainly worthy of lots of discussion. Maybe somebody who is literate and highly intelligent and is also a big fan of FTR will pick up on my subliminal messages and help out! ;~) Anyway, Joni's lyric here is: Bob NP: Blossom Dearie, "Give him the Ooh-La-La" (dedicated to the #1 BD fan who just happens to be on this list! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:51:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Goldy, silvery and irony oh so the scabby knees were from PRAYING???? wallyk, knee pad wrecker extraordinaire [and not from too much hockey either...] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS I have scabby knees all right but not from any religious experience darlings Love Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:54:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Mini JoniFest NJC rosita querida!!!!!! delightful!!! willy the shake is so cute! which mark was that? and laurie reason in person? wallyK, fester from head to toes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:02:13 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: being a friend thankyou for your support in this issue...i didn't expect it, but i appreciate it... i was commenting on the ecclesiastical language being used...not on those who may have used it... to them i offer good will and hope they will not take it personally...i hope this little admission may soften this little 'ruckus' that seemed predicted by you...i attacked no one in particular...i just hope for a mature interaction on this list...and i believe i have experienced it so far... shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Ricw1217@aol.com To: cactussong@home.com ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: being a friend bravo shane. you aren't the only one who feels that way, believe me. but the others who agree with you do so silently (apparently) because they are too intimidated by the more vocal majority with their scabby knees, who have found a receptive audience here with all that genuflecting crap. i often think, and have said more than once, that much of what is written here would make joni mitchell run screaming from the room in search of several dozen restraining orders, and man, would she be justified. it makes my skin crawl, always has and always will. and, despite the fact that it will probably result in yet another tedious war, i thank you for having the balls to say so. ric and for those of you who feel attacked by this "thread" you can aim your venom at me and not shane, since he at least had the class to say it nicely! ...church of joni indeed! makes the gorge rise in my throat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:03:35 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) In a message dated 4/5/01 12:26:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > I actually have a pretty wicked serve. It's my > backhand that needs work! ;-) > > Larry K. > > Based on Joni's painting "Get Out Of The Kitchen", I assumed that it was your backhand that got you into trouble! :-) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:09:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc well, in the end, who cares what joni would think? ''i think'' is more important to me. i wouldn't like to think i'm hurting anyone [including joni] but to censor/censure what i write or say because joni might be watching -- i don't think so. i am a very religious person [roman catholic], and worshipping the lord is the source of all joy and comfort for me. [whether he needs my worshipping or gives a shit, i don't and couldn't know.] i'm not fond of blasphemy and i slapped my mother once when i was 12 because she took the name of the lord in vain. i'm not proud of having hit my mother. i just want to give you an idea of how much i dislike idle talk about anyone, including god. but humor is humor. and if there is a god and god has/is infinite wisdom and mercy then god's sense of humor must so very fucking good. wallyK, some days i'm agnostic too ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > Based on Joni's painting "Get Out Of The Kitchen", I > assumed that it was your > backhand that got you into trouble! :-) Funny you should mention that. Somber Russian that I am, the only dish I've ever managed to master is my sainted grandmother's "Double Borscht". In addition to being indescribably delicious, it's a kind of homeopathic antidepressant. See about half an hour after eating it, well it gives you this terrific gas, and pretty soon everyone's in stitches -- like being transported in a time machine back to 3rd grade. Can't stay depressed to say the least. But I digress. The inspiration for that particular painting actually comes from the last step of the recipe, which involves adding a half a fifth of vodka to the soup, just after folding in the sour cream, and igniting it. Past that, I think the picture paints the 999 other words ... so to speak! ;-) Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:28:14 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Goldy, silvery and irony In a message dated 4/5/01 11:41:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gordon.mackie@strath.ac.uk writes: << I'd be intrigued to hear how others 'know' how Joni would react. I think she'd laugh her head off ....(metephorically). >> Similar to John Lennon's reaction to such talk, I don't think she'd find it funny at all, even if it was meant humorously. "Get a life," she might say. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:37:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) <> So, Larry, in other words it makes you think of ME a lot! :~) David "Please don't call me Dave" Geffen NP: Joe Jackson, "Five Guys Named Moe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < and pretty soon everyone's in stitches >> > > So, Larry, in other words it makes you think of ME a > lot! :~) > > David "Please don't call me Dave" Geffen Sorry Dav-id ... ;-) Well yeah it does, but what it all boils down to, if we can bury our hatchets somewhere other than each other's heads for a moment, is -- hey we're musicians. Which means we were all like Joni in Ray's Dad's math class. Lord knows if we'd been able to "keep the numbers in their place" we'd all have real jobs. Not that any of us WANT one for real, mind you ... but you get the point. So naturally, we're all going to be a little puzzled by this insistence to "mythologize" everything we say and do. You know, the whole "Geffen/Klein Mafiosi" bit about how we tried to resurrect an aging folkie's career with fledgling digital technology and slick production ... that sort of bollocks (love that word myself BTW!) Bottom line, you and I know it wasn't any more, or any less, than trying to make a good-sounding record. Sure we wanted it to sell ... but part of that meant putting out a quality product in the first place. And you and I also both know that's an idea that's pretty much gone by the waysides in today's market. So if folks hanker for that "old time religion" -- well let 'em, I say. Keep the peace. Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: It's called HUMOR, folks NJC The BEST thing about discussion groups like this is hearing a wide variety of opinions about a wide variety of subjects by a wide variety of people. The WORST thing about discussion groups like this is people so full of their own self-importance that they assume posts by total strangers with whom they have one thing in common are personal attacks. Would Joni approve of any of this? Who gives a flying fuck? I personally have never censoerd my own thoughts (or those of any others) based on the ASSUMED opinions of someone I have never met. We don't know for certain that "jokes about 'church of joni' and the like would appall her". For all we know she HAS a sense of humor, and is reasonalby intelligent as well and CAN TAKE A JOKE, apperantly unlike others on this list. RE: to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be who they are...even jokes about 'church of joni' and the like would appall her...would she want to, stumbling across the list, hear phrases like that?...it would make her not want to ever see the list again, if even it is a tongue and cheek joke...some jokes are not funny...for to idolize someone is to set up an image which is for one's own self...and it doesn't even take the other person 'in'... there is no "come in from the cold" there...you set up an image and you've ended the possibility of openess...of listening to the others' humanity...i for one do not want to hear phrases like that even if well intended, even if it points at laughing at oneself...our whole culture is permeated by images...set up an image and you've lost a friend... shane and... bravo shane. you aren't the only one who feels that way, believe me. but the others who agree with you do so silently (apparently) because they are too intimidated by the more vocal majority with their scabby knees, who have found a receptive audience here with all that genuflecting crap. i often think, and have said more than once, that much of what is written here would make joni mitchell run screaming from the room in search of several dozen restraining orders, and man, would she be justified. it makes my skin crawl, always has and always will. and, despite the fact that it will probably result in yet another tedious war, i thank you for having the balls to say so. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:07:40 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) In a message dated 4/5/01 1:20:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > But I digress. The inspiration for that particular > painting actually comes from the last step of the > recipe, which involves adding a half a fifth of vodka > to the soup, just after folding in the sour cream, and > igniting it. > So what you're saying, to paraphrase Joni: "You're a pretty good cook, You're sitting on your groceries" You want us to believe that this is why you can't stand the heat in the kitchen? I don't know..........I think that it had to do with some "nice kitty kitty". Stephen--wondering how we got here, and where we will end up. NP--Construction workers hammering outside my office window. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > --wondering how we got here, and where we > will end up. By travelling in some vehicle no doubt. Or by sitting in some cafe. When you're a defector from the petty wars, life slows down a bit. Besides, this thread was in desperate need of some imagination. As for where we'll end up -- somewhere between the forceps and the stone almost certainly. In the end though, it's the journey that really counts! Larry Klein np -- Guess! ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:39:18 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: the name of the lord and what joni thinks sjc Wally-what I can say. I almost pissed myself reading this! Salapping your mother because she took the Lord's name in vain? As a good a reason as any i suppose! I am sure God has a sense of humour. For instance he made all my perent's offspring gay! I've always thought was very funny and very clever. Put an end to that crazyness right there! And if he didn't have sense of humour he'd be might y pissed at the clobber some righteous people wear and their shows of piety. Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, in the end, who cares what joni would think? ''i think'' is more > important to me. i wouldn't like to think i'm hurting anyone [including > joni] but to censor/censure what i write or say because joni might be > watching -- i don't think so. > i am a very religious person [roman catholic], and worshipping the lord is > the source of all joy and comfort for me. [whether he needs my worshipping > or gives a shit, i don't and couldn't know.] i'm not fond of blasphemy and i > slapped my mother once when i was 12 because she took the name of the lord > in vain. i'm not proud of having hit my mother. i just want to give you an > idea of how much i dislike idle talk about anyone, including god. but humor > is humor. and if there is a god and god has/is infinite wisdom and mercy > then god's sense of humor must so very fucking good. > > wallyK, some days i'm agnostic too - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:03:45 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Church of Joni (now NJC) In a message dated 4/5/01 3:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: > Besides, this thread was > And it all started with those damned "Borderlines"! Stephen--enjoying the quite now that the construction workers have stopped for the day. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:57:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Let's Active Has anybody here besides me heard of this band? Let's Active was Mitch Easter's band; Easter was the pop wunderkind who produced REM's first record and gave it that great pop sound. He assembled his own band and put out a great EP called "Afoot" and three wonderful LP's. Like so many great groups of the 80's (The Replacements, Del Fuegos, XTC), Let's Active got lost in the shuffle... I transferred all their LP's to CD last weekend and I'd forgotten just how good they were. And wondered if anybody here had heard of them... Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Look Sharp" (Sydney, 1991) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:58:41 +0100 From: David Stork Subject: Some thoughts I am fairly new to this group, I've just been looking for a while. there's been some really interesting stuff about, especially from Kobus Louwrens. His story certainly makes me feel privileged to be in a free country, relatively untroubled. I've been to Cape Town some years ago and it is certainly one of the must places to visit. At whatever level our problems are music will always be able to help & JM's is some of the best. I am coming to NY and Boston for 16days around 4th July. Is there anything on that's JM related. I'm already going to James Taylor's gig at Tanglewood 3rd July nut may have time for another gig. Best of luck to Kobus Dave Stork ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: jmdl get-together NJC (kinda long) hey folks, just thought i would bust through the deep "church of joni" discussion ;-) to post about our most excellent "night in the city" as rose put it... (who looks fabulous with her new haircut, by the way!) i went straight from work to Judy's Chelsea, the lovely bar where David Lahm will be hosting the may get-together. i was the first one to arrive, and i ran downstairs to freshen up before anyone saw how haggard i looked after an evil day on the job. when i came back upstairs to the bar, i noticed a man at the bar in a tough-looking leather jacket who was giving me that "that could be alison, but that poor girl looks nearly dead! i hope i don't have to spend the entire evening with her!" look. i get this a lot. introductions were made, and of course, it was the lovely and wonderful willy the shake. he has a warm smile and sparkle in his eye. shortly after introducing me to his friend Fenny, Patrick Leader showed up for a little while and we had some stimulating conversation and cocktails. then, rose showed up (after a customary two-hour drive and twelve wrong-turn trip into the city!)luckily, david was able to hang out with us for a little while, and then we all enjoyed some delicious food. willy's friend mark also joined us, and he and fenny kept us in stitches. these guys were a blast, and i hope to get together with them again soon. i was surprised and delighted to meet lori reason, who was kind enough to waste the evening talking politics with me. this woman is so interesting and intelligent, and i am so glad to have finally gotten to meet her! (*bonus: i now have a place to stay in france, lol!) debra shea then met us for drinks at my favorite little pub around the corner, and we all sat around talking and drinking. unfortunately, i had to leave as i was dead tired and had to work early the next morning. of course, this makes me a big loser, as i did not get to hear willy sing when they took the party back to Judy's Chelsea! i had a bit of a hangover, and i didn't even stay out that late! man, getting older sucks. anyway, i think i have rambled on for long enough. a great time was had by all, and i only wish that i could have spent more time with willy while he was in the city, and lori too! willy asked me tell everyone hello, he misses everyone, and that he had a really great time getting together with the group and meeting up with us jmdler freaks. i think that's what he said... take care all, alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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