From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #161 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 161 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stolen Lyrics? ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: My MTV Life (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: My MTV Life (NJC) [catman ] Re: Question??..... [Dflahm@aol.com] iso artwork ["Doomalone Doomalone" ] NJC Bollocks? ["kerry" ] Re: Stolen Lyrics? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Bollocks? [catman ] Signs of Spring ["Sue Cameron" ] re: Lessons in Survival [christopher blake ] Re: BYT and Bollocks [Ian Cropton ] Church of Joni [Steve Polifka ] Brian Blade Rview VLJC [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC [Don Rowe ] NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: I'm New! [Don Rowe ] calling all analyzers ["shane mattison" ] Fiona Apple njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Liz's BYT Question - now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: I'm New! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Fiona Apple njc [Heather ] Re: I'm New! [Catherine McKay ] being a friend ["shane mattison" ] Re: I'm New! NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: Liz's BYT Question - now njc [JRMCo1@aol.com] Piano Lesson in Survival [pyramus@lineone.net] Singing NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: [I'm New!] NJC [Loren Carter ] Foni Mitchell (NJC but FC) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) ["Leslie Ross" ] Church of Joni-Commandments [Lindsay Moon ] RE: Church of Joni-Commandments ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: being a friend and getting rid of Jehovah's Witnesses ["Harp@louislyn] Web site funny (NJC) ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] Re: being a friend [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine ["Patricia O'Connor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:27:37 +0100 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Re: Stolen Lyrics? >P.M. Dawn, who are HUGE Joni fans, as well as one of my personal fave > >groups, sampled "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" in one of their songs, >and >they also use her melodic line from "I Had A King" in their song >"The Ways >of the Wind". I've heard you mention the PM Dawn connection before, and I thought I knew what it was, but the lyric I'm thinking of is from "The Boho Dance" not "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". Do we have our wires crossed, or is this yet another PM Dawn link? Their song "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss", their biggest UK hit, starts with the line: 'The camera pans the cocktail glass, behind a blind of plastic plants I found the lady with the fat diamond ring.' Compared with Joni's: 'A camera pans the cocktail hour Behind a blind of potted palms And finds a lady in a Paris dress With runs in her nylons' Then a few lines later they use: 'Subterranean by design' which appears earlier in 'The Boho Dance' as: 'Subterranean by your own design' More of a respectful nod than stealing. >Matter of fact, I heard 'Wind' before I heard 'King', and the first >time I >listened to Joni's first record (1998) it was weird because it >sounded >familiar, even though it was the first time I heard it! I heard "Set Adrift..." long before I heard any of HOSL, and always liked the line 'subterranean by design', so was immediately struck when I heard Boho Dance. Rob, thinking he should invest in more PM Dawn _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:53:14 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: My MTV Life (NJC) Kerry wrote: > I would add to your list of great inventions: garage door openers, self > clumping cat litter and "snooze" buttons. I don't have a CD player in my > car, but received a CD alarm clock for Christmas. Since I can choose the > wake-up track, I pick a different Joni song every 3 or 4 days. First, I hit > the snooze button, then when I'm semi-conscious, I listen to the song all > the way through. It's a WONDERFUL way to start the day; my little Joni Zen > moment. Sound wonderful. But in order to actually wake up in the morning, I need a full 21-gun salute - preferably very BIG guns - at the highest decibel possible. I've been known to sleep through my alarm (at very high volume) and also the sound of the woman in the unit above me banging on the floor with a stick (presumably) telling me to turn off my alarm.....finally woke up an hour after the alarm had initially gone off (old woman still screaming through the floorboards, according to my flatmate), and that was because the cat jumped on me - and the alarm was still blaring. If I had a CD alarm clock, and programmed Joni, I'd probably just drift off into a dream that I'm Joni's long-lost daughter, and that she's leaving me all her paintings in her will. Maybe it would work if I put in a CD of Michael Bolton, or Bryan Adams - the shock value alone would be enough to wake me from the deepest sleep! Mind you, I've also been known to hit the snooze button enough times to get an extra 2 hours sleep. I don't think it's inventor considered that possibility! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:05:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My MTV Life (NJC) > Sound wonderful. But in order to actually wake up in the morning, I need a > full 21-gun salute - preferably very BIG guns - My big disappointment was in 87 and the Hurricane. I was awoken by the phone early in the morning by a firend asking if I was alright. I was, before you woke me up! She said there had been a hurricane. I disbelieved her, thin king it was a leg pull. I opened the curtains to see devastation outside! I had not heard a thing. by the way, hell, you like Cornwall, I know. Have you ever read any Minnette Walters? I am reading The Shape Of Snakes right now. She really is very good, intellignet writer and grips you from the start. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:57:26 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Question??..... I'm sure it can be shown that Big Yellow Taxi IS similar to the blues and Chuck Berry; it does literally have only three different chords. But to me, what makes Joni Mitchell Joni Mitchell is that when I hear her do it on LOTC, it doesn't sound or feel like the blues or Chuck Berry. It is something wonderfully new, fresh, bold and unprecedented. That uniqueness is an inspiring challenge. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:18:09 +0200 From: "Doomalone Doomalone" Subject: iso artwork I was thinking to myself if I can't find it here it's impossible so through a trade I became owner of a cdr with a Joni Mitchell concert listed as 'For Free' and from 29th October 1970 in London, England. Lot's of interesting things happen on this cdr that I want to know more of, especially the track list and who's the guy backing up. Please contact me off this list (I'm not a regular as to reading all the digests) if you have some answers, please. Also if you know of a place on the web where I may be able to copy or download cover material. Thanks !!!!!, Rick. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:22:09 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: NJC Bollocks? >>And I have had no problem with them. they have given me much pleasure.>> TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!!!!! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:31:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Stolen Lyrics? <> I don't think there's a crossing of the wires, Rob...you are correct with the lyrical reference from Boho Dance to "Set Adrift". Musically, they sample "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". Their liner notes are almost always a challenge to read, but it's there. So, we're both correct! Oh, and btw, Prince/The Artist/The Symbol cops a piece of the "Help Me" lyric in his song The Ballad of Dorothy Parker on Sign o' the Times. Bob NP: Michael Holland, "They Used to Call it New Wave" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:57:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Bollocks? kerry wrote: > >>And I have had no problem with them. they have given me much pleasure.>> > > TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!!!!!! :~) better too much than not enough! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:18:54 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Signs of Spring Marcel's post got me thinking about why I love spring. Snow falls here in Northern Michigan about the first of November. Long winters are the best times to listen to Hejira, with the white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon. Here it is April 4th and we still have patchy snow on the ground like so many piles of dirty laundry. Yesterday temps got into the high 40's and it felt like Heaven. The sun radiating off the cold steel of my SUV turned the 40's into near 60's. I got in my vehicle, opened the moon roof, and stacked the six CD changer with Joni. Hits was fun. Bouncing along the frost freeing pot holed roads. Skipped over to NRH, where The Only Joy in Town reminded me of true spring with the fuschia reference. Of course for me Hissing is never far out of rotation, and the song that suits spring the best is Harry's House-Centerpiece. Don't know why, it just does it for me! Wondering if others find seasonal meanings in Joni's songs. Would I feel the same wind chill from Hejira if she were swimming in the pool on the inside sleve of the album as she is in Hissing? Sue Cameron NP: Blue Jays outside my window ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: re: Lessons in Survival << Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it" songs? let us know!>> i don't know how this will compare, but i guess that isn't really the idea - is it? i feel comfortable now amongst y'all to relate this. a woman with whom i co-habitated for four years needed to leave me (why? i don't know - she was losing herself she said). near the end the only thing we had in common was joni mitchell. i was a much more avid audiophile than she so we agreed that i could keep the cds if i reproduced them for her. the day she left i was eight days removed from having a blod clot removed from near my lung, a rib having been removed and a vein taken from my thigh to be grafted to the area exposed by absence of said rib. (why do doctors always present you with a photo of the inside of your body after the operation? - - i digress)anyway, i was a mess, physically and emotionally and mentally (due to all this plus pain killers). none-the-less i began to copy joni, not just cd by cd...no! that would have been too easy. i tried to make a long suite. at the time i didn't own all the joni (still don't - yet). i began with the overture from DJRD. throughout the process of making the tapes i *really* listened to lyrics and musical textures and found that many times joni was saying to her what i wanted to say to her, sometimes not, but putting together a three-volume 'message tape' of that magnitude helped ease the pain quite a bit. it was my first attempt at a long-term relationship and from beginning to end i thought of each mistake i made in it. sometimes i wonder if having a song like "stay in touch" to finish the collection is the classiest thing i could have said to her - and through joni, i did. thanx for listening. dang! i enjoy being amongst you folks! have an awesome day - christopher. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Cropton Subject: Re: BYT and Bollocks I've deleted the post where 'bollocks' was used, and then someone asked for its meaning. Here goes: Its a swear word common in Britain. Its actually a synonym for testicles (eg Arrgh I just got kicked in the bollocks) but is normally used as a synonym for rubbish (eg Thats a load of bollocks) or as an expletive (eg Oh Bollocks, I just missed the train). Finally as an alternative to admitting to screwing up, try 'I've just dropped a bollock' Cheers, Ian Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:06:52 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Church of Joni The one problem would be that the church would probably split into two factions. One, the For The Roses Synod, and the other, the Hejira Synod... Take it from a(n) (ex)Lutheran... Steve Which one would be more liberal???? ;-) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:13:36 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Church of Joni >Adding to the great theological debate of our lunchtime, would St >Joan of the 'arc of a modern romantic relationship ' be a disciple. ( >sorry how arch is that) .We could sell 'All along the watchtower' ( >wrong artist... but it is a homage) door to door, sing hymns to Her, >and make our own personal Hejira to Saskatoon. We'd need some commandments though....hmmm..e.g. 1. Though shalt not have any other God but She. etc. Any others?? Gordon Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:20:26 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Brian Blade Rview VLJC For a review of a recent club date (Blue Note in NYC) that mentions Brian's affiliation with Joni, use the following link: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/arts/04BLAD.html Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Brian Blade Rview VLJC - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > For a review of a recent club date (Blue Note in > NYC) that mentions Brian's > affiliation with Joni, use the following link: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/04/arts/04BLAD.html > > > Stephen From that review: "... overall sound of the group was the West Coast jazz-pop sound, particularly that of Joni Mitchell ..." Color me crazy, but can this mean that Joni's finally managed to shed her 'folkie' image? Nah ... couldn't be! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:27:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC The Handlebar Re-opens! Yippee!! I got an e-mail this morning announcing the re-opening of The Handlebar, a great intimate concert hall. Victor & I saw Jonatha there back in '99 (although we hadn't met at that time). Anyway, they're re-opening in a new place and to kick it off in May they're going to have Richie Havens and Richard Thompson!! Awesome! Debra Shea, please come down to Greenville and be my date for the Thompson show! :~D I'm VERY excited about the chance to see some great live music again... Bob NP: Hootie & The Blowfish, "Drowning" (saw these guys at a little club called Al's Pump House, about a year before they hit big) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: I'm New! Hi Vince, and welcome to the jmdl! Joni is not a member, but I am. And I'm pleased to report, since you wondered: > Has there ever been a tribute concert for Larry > Klein, or at least a > tribute album made to honor Dog Eat Dog? That yes, there is a tribute album in the works, with an all-star line-up covering Dog Eat Dog! Good Friends -- Depeche Mode Fiction -- Jon Anderson & Vangelis The Three Great Stimulants -- Rush Tax Free -- Willie Nelson, w/monologue by Samuel L. Jackson Smokin' (Empty Try Another) -- Bjork Dog Eat Dog -- The Dixie Chicks Shiny Toys -- Madonna w/Barry White on back vocal Ethiopia -- Sinead O'Connor Impossible Dreamer -- Sweet Honey In The Rock Lucky Girl -- Tracy Chapman Reprise doesn't have an official release date yet, but we expect it to hit the stores about 6 weeks following the Joni Trib CD. I'll keep you posted. Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:49:28 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: calling all analyzers i was intrigued to find out about the identity of the pink hotel...sometimes referred to as the pink palace...after a whole summer in maui...it was very hot...my x (who doesn't live in texas) and i on way back to vancouver took a few days in the pink hotel, and with the air-conditionaing, was welcome relief i might add...the room was gorgeous, and not knowing about joni having been there, i thought about elvis and how it was on his agenda...i also thought about the meaning of paradise..."this day you will be with me in paradise"...about paradisial love which i was then experiencing but have been on exile in main street ever since...and how, going to dinner, with the walls missing so you could look out upon the sunset and the palms...we heard the beautiful hawaiian music of the cazimero brothers (anyone ever heard them?)...one brother with his high alto sitting like buddha raised up on a dais while the other chunkier one standing behind his base...they sang... "so on your way, unafraid, to face the dangers before you... as you face the dangers of the world..." well, unafraid was what i wasn't later on in vancouver, as i went through a worse experience than "the insider", but i have learned since that russell crow's two roles (with that of the gladiator) are not unrelated...the earlier flows into the necessity of the later...i could not remain just on the level of sensitive artist enjoying joni's sensitive songs...as i think about the friend from south africa...i think about the battle of the world...and that steal-ly resolve has to occur, to trust....and that is spelt TRUST...without it things 'fall apart'...with it you can conquer with love... and speaking of love...i have a question for the analyzers...who is joni singing of in 'a case of you?'... i had heard the rumour that it was leonard cohen and that they were once in love..."oh, canada', with your face sketched on it twice"...it was time i cleared up this matter...does anyone know? joni's had "alot of good guys gone through my door"...one of them was john hammond, who i played darts with one saturday at a pub...asking him, who was her lover after chuck mitchell what she was like, hammond replied in his characteristic way..."first class, all the way"...its interesting that those who have been closest to joni do not report of her ego the way certain other 'journalists' or 'critics' do (jealous?)...anyhoo a little side story about hammond...not sure how much it is known about them...but who is "a case of you?" bon chance, especially to our south african friend.... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:54:50 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Fiona Apple njc "If Jennifer Lopez could write songs like Fiona Apple's, she wouldn't have to spend so many hours at the gym." - -- GARBAGE's SHIRLEY MANSON I know that's a really bitchy thing to say... HOWEVER, how cool is that??? I always got the feeling Shirley Manson was pretty bright, and that is one of the smartest put-downs I've heard in years. I'll probably go straight to hell for siding with spite, but even we touchy-feely bleeding-heart liberals have to sharpen our claws occasionally... Anyway, the positive side is that Fiona Apple is indeed very very good - I remember all sorts of people chiming in with praise for her debut, including Sheryl Crow and one of the Marsalis Brothers, I think it was Brandford. "Sullen Girl" is especially good, one of the greatest accounts of rape and its consequences I've ever heard, up there with Tori Amos's Me And A Gun, though very different, much more oblique. I think Fiona Apple's two records to date stand up to just about any other contemporary singer-songwriter over the same period. Azeem in London, looking forward to seeing Oh Suzanna tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Liz's BYT Question - now njc - --- Paul Castle wrote: > > I'm going to assume that you mean no offense to me > > > or the author of this book which you haven't read, > > > Very sorry Julius - point taken - I certainly didn't > intend to > denigrate your efforts to help Liz - I agree I > probably over- > reacted to "aggressive percussion and electric > guitars", > and I was amused by the reference to 'uncontrollable > > libido' which I took to mean 'pretty turned on' - > which I > don't hear on this particular song. > > Sorry to sound flippant, though. I have to admit, as soon as I read the libido part, my eyes started rolling. It confirmed a suspicion already forming in my mind that the writer was full of it. Why can't people just speak plain English, for God's sake? Arrgh. I didn't express my opinion at the time, because I figured it would probably look like I was bashing Julius, which of course, would not be my intent at all, and I couldn't think of a way of responding that *wouldn't* sound that way, so I let it go. I didn't realize musicology had its own jargon, which is a pity, really, because IMO it makes the writing accessible only to a select group. And then, of course, my eyeballs, who seem to have minds of their own, can't resist rolling when they see that kind of stuff... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:40:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I'm New! NJC <> Hi Larry, always a pleasure for you to drop in on us! I would suggest you title that tribute "Dog Eat Doggie-Doo", although the Madonna-Barry White sounds interesting! ;~) Thought you might be interested in this comment I pulled off of E-Bay. Someone's trying to sell Ben Orr's record and they gave it the following note: "One of the first productions of the now-infamous Larry Klein of Joni Mitchell fame. " By the way, could you give me Joni's cell phone # again? I lost it while I was in Paris. Yours, David Geffen NP: Hothouse Flowers, "Shut up and listen" (Disclaimer: the line I quoted was REALLY on E-bay. The rest is utter bollocks! ;~D - Bob) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:46:28 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Fiona Apple njc Oh those Scottish girls! At 12:54 PM 4/4/01 -0400, AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: >"If Jennifer Lopez could write songs like Fiona Apple's, she wouldn't have to >spend so many hours at the gym." >-- GARBAGE's SHIRLEY MANSON > >I know that's a really bitchy thing to say... HOWEVER, how cool is that??? I >always got the feeling Shirley Manson was pretty bright, and that is one of >the smartest put-downs I've heard in years. I'll probably go straight to >hell for siding with spite, but even we touchy-feely bleeding-heart liberals >have to sharpen our claws occasionally... > >Anyway, the positive side is that Fiona Apple is indeed very very good - I >remember all sorts of people chiming in with praise for her debut, including >Sheryl Crow and one of the Marsalis Brothers, I think it was Brandford. >"Sullen Girl" is especially good, one of the greatest accounts of rape and >its consequences I've ever heard, up there with Tori Amos's Me And A Gun, >though very different, much more oblique. > >I think Fiona Apple's two records to date stand up to just about any other >contemporary singer-songwriter over the same period. > >Azeem in London, looking forward to seeing Oh Suzanna tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I'm New! - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Dear Rev- > Welcome to the list ... > You asked > alot of good questions. I'll try to answer some of > them. > > Verrrrrrrrrrrrry funnnnnnnnnnnnyy!! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:37:44 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: being a friend to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be who they are...even jokes about 'church of joni' and the like would appall her...would she want to, stumbling across the list, hear phrases like that?...it would make her not want to ever see the list again, if even it is a tongue and cheek joke...some jokes are not funny...for to idolize someone is to set up an image which is for one's own self...and it doesn't even take the other person 'in'... there is no "come in from the cold" there...you set up an image and you've ended the possibility of openess...of listening to the others' humanity...i for one do not want to hear phrases like that even if well intended, even if it points at laughing at oneself...our whole culture is permeated by images...set up an image and you've lost a friend... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: I'm New! NJC David Geffen! As I live and breathe! I thought you croaked! Good to see that's not the case, and that you're the same lovable old SOB I remember so fondly whenever I fart! So how was Paris ... though I'm somewhat afraid to ask. The idea of you "unfettered" could give me nightmares for a week. Joni's cell phone number is 867-5309 (or wait a minute, maybe that's Jenny's ... I'll get back to you). I think you're still on her Call Blocker list. I'll say "Hey" for ya' ... Luv ya babe, don't ever change. Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:59:47 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Liz's BYT Question - now njc Hi Catherine: Reading musicology-speak to me is like reading Shakespeare with it's sometimes difficult language. When you come to terms with the language, there's really alot there to enjoy and learn from. At least that's been my experience with the Mellers book. I understand that it's not user friendly at first glance though. Sorry for any inconvenience, all. I should point out that "sexual drive" is only one of the definitions of "libido," albeit the most common one. The ethnomusicologist were probably referring to the follow definition: libido - emotional or psychic energy that in psychological theory is derived from primitive biological urges and is usually goal directed. - -Julius Catherine wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:31:01 +0100 (BST) From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Piano Lesson in Survival Julius said << the term "percussion" refers simply to the striking of any musical instrument...not necessarily a drum. >> Bob replied<> A very good example of this is Joni's piano in "Lesson in Survival" a personal favourite, where she really punishes those ivories, using the piano as a rhythm instrument as well as a melodic accompaniment. The lyrics in this song are simply stunning. "I came in as bright as a neon light and I burned out right there before him"....we've all been there. "Maybe it's paranoia Maybe it's sensitivity Your friends protect you Scrutinize me I get so damn timid Not at all the spirit That's inside of me Oh baby I can't seem to make it With you socially There's this reef around me."...indeed. Incidentally does anyone have an idea what the "suspicious reasoning" might be ? pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:37:59 +0100 (BST) From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Singing NJC Colin said<> I always sing in the car. I often wonder what it must look like to people travelling in the other direction. I must look like some demented goldfish. :) pyramus ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 2001 16:07:49 EDT From: Loren Carter Subject: Re: [I'm New!] NJC Rev, It's so nice when something I read on this list makes all of the problems at work disappear in a puff of smoke. I've never been a smoker or a big drinker (even though I make my own suds in the basement), but sometimes the little things at work get so overblown and take on lives of their own, that I want to go and quaff down many large cold ones. But, back to the point, Rev, your message brought a smile to this tired being. thanks, Loren..... Vince Lavieri wrote: > I am a new member to the JMDL! > > Actually, my new address is now official and it is revrvl@chartermi.net > > Since I have this chance to join the JMDL anew with my new address, let > me ask these questions: > > what does SIQUOMB mean? > > and lots more....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:13:38 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell (NJC but FC) Foni Mitchell gig guide update: May 4 The Railway, Birmingham May 18 The Bear Inn, Bearwood July 13 Robin 2, Bilston (with Quill) Sep 1 Baggeridge Festival,Staffordshire Sep 8 Robin 1, Dudley (with The Corrz) Best wishes to all JMDL'ers - keep the dream alive. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:33:22 -0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) I was listening to the local London news tonight and saw a brief article about the Photographer Mick Rock. Mick Rock featured heavily in the 70s as the photographer of choice to the Rock hierarchy and he has an exhibition of his work on here in London. What was interesting to us here in Joni-Land is a little snippet Mr Rock related to us about Freddy Mercury. Mick was the person responsible for the look of the opening sequence of the Bohemian Rhapsody video which was based upon an image of Marlene Dietrich from Shanghai Express. Anyway, Mick Rock ended up being quite the chum of Freddy and would pop round to his place in Kensington for a cup of tea and a gossip. Freddy would be there in his dressing gown and slippers while the two of them would chat about, well whatever, listening to Joni Mitchell records. Can you imagine the scene! So, unless Freddy Mercury's apreciation of our Joan is already a matter of record, and it wasn't to me, here, it seems, is the proof from the very excellent Mr Mick Rock. See also www.Q4music.com Les (London)from his home account and heading off-list for the night. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 8:59:20 +1000 From: john low Subject: Church of Joni (now NJC) Re a Church of St. Joan: There is a precedent - the "Saint John Coltrane African Orthodox Church" in San Francisco. Expressing their faith through the music and inspiration of John Coltrane, the congregation of this small church does much good community work from what I've read. John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:03:07 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Church of Joni-Commandments Gordon wrote: My contribution: "Thou shalt not call me a folksinger." Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:26:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Church of Joni-Commandments also: ''thou shalt hand me an ashtray now!!!!'' wallyK, mother abbess indisputable - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lindsay Moon Enviado el: Miircoles, 04 de Abril de 2001 08:03 p.m. Para: 'joni list' Asunto: Church of Joni-Commandments 1. Though shalt not have any other God but She. etc. Any others??> My contribution: "Thou shalt not call me a folksinger." Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:45:13 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Church of John Coltraine NJC john low wrote: > Re a Church of St. Joan: > There is a precedent - the "Saint John Coltrane African Orthodox > Church" in San Francisco. Expressing their faith through the music and > inspiration of John Coltrane, the congregation of this small church > does much good community work from what I've read. > John (in Sydney). John, the web site is: http://www.saintjohncoltrane.org/ I found this once on a slow day searching the web! (the Rev)Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:01:09 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine Hey Joni-maniacs, Been too busy to post, but it was nice to get ACOUSTIC GUITAR in the mail today with an article on the Joan. The May issue has two pictures of Joni, one wearing a marigold colored sweater, and a really great 3/4 shot on the Index page that looks like it might be around the time of CMIARS with a top that's got some Santa Fe/Native American influences. It's a good profile shot that shows up those awesome cheekbones. The article has tabs for "This Flight Tonight" and talks about BLUE as the champ that survives as a classic 30 years later from a time in which other women such as Joplin, Carole King and Carly Simon all had strong albums. The writer mentions a few interesting details, such as Joni's "backpacking" trip through Europe during the writing of BLUE in which the only instrument she carried with her was a dulcimer and a flute (!). The writer also extrapolates that it was the dulcimer which went on to influence her later guitar and piano playing which would be more deeply colored with drones and tonic notes. I disagree with this writer who says "My Old Man" is a song about an open relationship. Joni sings "We don't need a piece of paper from the city hall keeping us tied and true" and Joni always described herself as a serial monogamist. - - Clark Carlton www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton http://www.stonewallsociety.com/clarkcarlton.htm NP: The Planets - Holst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:02:41 -0400 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Re: being a friend and getting rid of Jehovah's Witnesses Shane wrote: > to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be > who they are...even jokes about 'church > of joni' and the like would appall her...would she want to, > stumbling across the list, hear phrases like that?...it would make her not > want to ever see the list again, if even it is a > tongue and cheek joke...some jokes are not funny... Thank you Shane for saying that and saying that so well, Although I don't mind a good Jehovah's Witness joke now and again, I wasn't amused by the "Church of Joni" strain. I thought it was demeaning, to a degree. I've heard her referred to as a "music goddess" and such, but something riled me about the recent mode of humor. Sacrilege to God as deity, perhaps? Insult to Joni as an artist, perhaps? I didn't write about this, because (and you may all note this particular event for posterity) Harper Lou was afraid to share his opinion. After some of the recent bollocks busting on the list, I figured I had shared my share of opinions for a while, so I kept mum. So Shane, I'm glad you spoke up. Speaking of getting rid of Jehovah's Witnesses, my ex-wife and I used to live in a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania -- not another house in sight for miles. Sure enough, one day our trusty Alsatian Mickie started barking up a storm. There in our secluded lawn were two young Jehovah's Witnesses, who, after walking down a quarter-mile dirt lane, were brave enough to try to negotiate with a 110-pound dog who was not leashed. After we managed to get Mickie calmed down and on his tether, these two cheeky young men forged on to our porch and insisted on coming in and talking to us. Considering our dog almost killed one or both of them, we invited them in for some iced tea, which they rejected because of the caffeine. Anyway, they let out an instant spiel about true salvation and how people everywhere are going to hell and all. Carol pretended to listen intently for a few minutes, and I could tell by her smile that she was up to something. She waited for them to pause, and asked, "OK, enough with the small talk, how about both you young studs coming upstairs to have sex with us now?" I've never seen missionaries turn so many shades of red in such a short time. They gulped a few times and promptly walked out the door and down our lane, their faces too frozen in shock to speak further. Oh my, it was priceless. Plus I learned something. It works! Since we divorced and I've moved to a house in town, I've been visited by a pair of young Mormon males and again by another pair of Jehovah's witness males. As soon as I invite them to come upstairs and have sex with me, they are out the door in a flash! Don't worry folks, I'm not a professional, so feel free to try this at home! So far it has worked every time! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:08:36 -0400 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Web site funny (NJC) Hey kids, Check out: www.toostupidtobepresident.com Unless you're a Republican, of course. Love and kismet, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:10:40 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: being a friend bravo shane. you aren't the only one who feels that way, believe me. but the others who agree with you do so silently (apparently) because they are too intimidated by the more vocal majority with their scabby knees, who have found a receptive audience here with all that genuflecting crap. i often think, and have said more than once, that much of what is written here would make joni mitchell run screaming from the room in search of several dozen restraining orders, and man, would she be justified. it makes my skin crawl, always has and always will. and, despite the fact that it will probably result in yet another tedious war, i thank you for having the balls to say so. ric and for those of you who feel attacked by this "thread" you can aim your venom at me and not shane, since he at least had the class to say it nicely! ...church of joni indeed! makes the gorge rise in my throat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:18:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mick Rock, Freddy Mercury and Joni (SJC) << So, unless Freddy Mercury's apreciation of our Joan is already a matter of record, and it wasn't to me, here, it seems, is the proof from the very excellent Mr Mick Rock. >> Hey Les, I just always ASSUME that everyone appreciates Joni! ;~) But funny you mention it because just this day I got a copy of Queen doing "(You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care" (thanks Christopher!) Of course, Joni didn't write it, but their performance was from '86 so you have to figure that they brought out the old chestnut based on Joni doing it a couple years prior! Bob NP: Janis Siegel, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:29:12 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni in ACOUSTIC GUITAR magazine From: > carried with her was a dulcimer and a flute (!). The writer also > extrapolates that it was the dulcimer which went on to influence her later > guitar and piano playing which would be more deeply colored with drones and > tonic notes. This is interesting. I think of Blue as the turning point of Joni's guitar style, even though there are only 2 guitar songs on it. Her guitar style on FTR is so different, from what she was doing earlier and I attribute it to her dulcimer style. I remember reading an interview, where Joni said the change came out of admiration of Stephen Still's style of playing, that she began slapping the instrument around some...but she was slapping that dulcimer too. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:27:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: being a friend i for one kind of like it when my friends burn incense and offer human sacrifices at my altar. i don't see what the fuss is all about... wallyK -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de shane mattison Enviado el: Miircoles, 04 de Abril de 2001 03:38 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: being a friend to be a friend of a human being is to not objectify them...to allow them to be who they are...even jokes about 'church of joni' and the like would appall her... shane ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #161 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?