From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #158 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, April 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 158 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My MTV Life (SJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Question??..... [liz@helloworld.tc] Re: My MTV Life (SJC) [mags ] The 2nd Video Tree (NJC) [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Question??..... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Testing..and then some (sjc) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Valley Distribution(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Question??..... [JRMCo1@aol.com] NJC Re: My MTV Life [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Got to be a trophy winner... [Catherine McKay ] Willy the Shake is in New York, Mini Joni Fest? NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #105 ["Donna J. Binkley" Subject: Re: My MTV Life (SJC) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > << But the scene out the windows > of your car is ever changing. Visions, places, sunsets, bridges, trees, other > cars, people walking by, it just always changes and living in San Francisco > and the bay area of course gives my eyes an endless stream of amazing views. > All of which brings me around to how much I like the CD player in my car. > Lately since Bob Mueller sent it to me I have had the Ashara Fest 2000 tape > on and I have this string of songs played by the ladies who played there that > lasts the precise time of my commute so in the early morning drive most > mornings I have been playing this group of songs. > Going through downtown SF in the darkness and the fog and listening to > Annes song was just ethereal as well. Of course then theres the real deal > which is Joni doing Good Friends from DED as I speed down the onramp to hit > the freeway. Then of course theres Emmy Lou. Which is how I practice my > singing. Maybe you have the same experience with your car as I do. It would > be interesting to know. >>> still waking up but moved by your post to say...yea I relate!!! Marcel, I know just what you mean. .. I dont have a CD player in my car...just a tape player however.... I completely relate to your post about driving to the music with scenes flashing before you, around you, inside you. Id love to have the luxury of choosing a song to the particular scene etc...however, the tape deck does the trick, for now...perhaps cuz I know no other way. I have a wonderful little Toyota Corolla... no fancy perks, not even auto locks. Its all good, sure beats Das Boat, the unbearable rustmobile of a tank I used to drive up until now. But alas, I digress. What strikes a familiar chord is that you practice your singing in the car....I always do that ... always. (just ask Brian ;) It is such a release of energy and everything. I also get stuck on one tape for a long while...right now it is Bruce Cockburn's Circles in the Stream....a live album recorded at Massey Hall in Toronto ... one of the city's treasures. (the hall and Bruce). Anyway....there is one song called Arrows of Light...with very simple lyrics and in it is the line "life is singing"...which is surrounded by a magnificent emsemble of percussion and sounds including a tabla, marimba and I cant tell what all else but every time I hear it, I am practically dancing in the car. I imagine us all at Ashara's doing this on stage. It is so inspiring... and I am sure that the Bruce Cockburn fans on the list know this song. thanks for the great post Marcel. take care, Mags. - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:16:33 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: The 2nd Video Tree (NJC) Wow! I want to say a big "THANK YOU!!!" to dear Ashara for putting together the two videos for the 2nd video tree. I finally found some time this weekend to watch them for the first time (I know I'm way behind everyone else on the list here!). Anyway - it was so great to see all the paintings, since who knows if or when I'll ever be able to see them in person. And congrats, Ashara, for getting featured in the CBC programme! I loved the Maidstone segment - the museum and pictures of Sharon Bell and seeing where Joni used to live. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Marian Vienna NP: Fall At Your Feet - Jennifer Kimball (thanks ChuckE!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:58:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Question??..... Hi Liz, Well, I'll be glad to tell you what I know about BYT...she has introduced the song in concerts by saying she wrote it in Hawaii, when she expected a paradise and looking out her hotel window, all she saw was a parking lot! She said this song was inspired musically by Chuck Berry, and you can certainly hear that in the intro and the rock n' roll riffs in the song. Besides, anyone who says they WEREN'T inspired by Chuck Berry is a big fat liar... The song has been covered by a number of artists throughout the world, the ones I'm aware of: Alexander , Monty Azevedo, Julie de Beazley, Del Big Country Brennan, Maire Buckingham, Lindsey & Mick Fleetwood Denjean, Claude Dogtrax, Dylan, Bob Eddie From Ohio Elmerhassel Faith, Percy Feddy, Jason, Gabor, BB Grant, Amy Grant, Lorna Grean, Lorin Green Day Haime, Vera Hollywood Session Singers Hyman , Dick J.R. & Sharon Kentucky Express Lilac Time Loach, Vickie-Maree Loaded Boxers Martini, Mia McLachlan, Sarah & Lilith Fair Modern Folk Quartet Negative Space Pinhead Gunpowder Scott, Lorraine Sir Douglas Quartet Sugar Beats Tar Heel Voices Taxi Gang The Albion Band The Neighborhood, The Take Toxic Audio Voce Warnock, James When The Cat's Away White on Black Yello Strom Lyrically, the song provided us with a proverb that has now become a part of the vernacular..."You don't know what you got 'til it's gone"...yet another example of Joni making what appears to be a simple statement but is actually very profound and prophetic. They paved paradise And put up a parking lot With a pink hotel, a boutique And a swinging hot spot Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot They took all the trees Put 'em in a tree museum And they charged the people A dollar and a half just to see 'em Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot Hey farmer farmer Put away that DDT now Give me spots on my apples But leave me the birds and the bees Please! Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot Late last night I heard the screen door slam And a big yellow taxi Took away my old man Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot They paved paradise And put up a parking lot The song appears at first to be an ecological plea, and it certainly works in that context. Joni, having grown up in a rural agricultural community, laments the destruction of nature for commerce, warning us that once we pave over paradise, there's no turning back. Meanwhile, she loses a lover, who calls a cab and heads on his way, and once again Joni says "You don't know what you got 'til it's gone", but THIS time she's describing her loss of love. This is one of her strengths, her use of lyrics to express a dual theme, and it almost foreshadows the thought she expresses in Hejira's "Song For Sharon"... Dora says "Have children" Mama and Betsy say "Find yourself a charity Help the needy and the crippled or put some time into Ecology" Well there's a wide wide world of noble causes And lovely landscapes to discover But all I really want right now Is find another lover Hope that helps! :~D Bob NP: Carla Helmbrecht, "Mood Indigo" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:05:38 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Testing..and then some (sjc) This is really odd - I'm receiving very little mail. Like REALLY little - only 5 messages on the overnight, which usually yields 20 or 30. Am I on the right list???? I'll take this opportunity to address the unfortunate pop tune "Joni Mitchell on the Radio" by Espen Lind. I was tooling around on Napster and came across the title, so I figured what the heck, it's free! (for now, anyway), so I downloaded it. A very whiny angsty male voice told me a story of someone who is tormented by the memory of a lover-no-more, the chorus ending with "I'm sleeping with the lights on low, and Joni Mitchell on the radio." HHHHHmmmmmmm. I guess the first question should be, what song are they playing, Mr. Lind? It is not my recollection that emotional bleeders like "All I Want" got much airplay...what station are you listening to? Maybe we're all missing out; perhaps he's on sonicnet. :~) Odd. Anyone else heard this ditty in their travels? - -Chris NP: Old 97's on W.E.R.S. Coffeehouse PS. I saw Eliza Carthy last night at Boston's Paradise Club; a local guy named Kevin So opened up. Both performances were brilliant, but the show was sadly underattended. Any Eliza fans out there? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:38:59 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Church of Joni Yesterday morning I heard the doorbell ring and it was two women handing out the standard religious literature about how evil the world is, how we all have to be saved, how I'm going to go to hell since I'm not "enlightened". They asked me if I'm religous with that tone of voice that implies they have all the answers and I'm a heathen. So next time, I decided I really am going to say that I'm a Joni Witness and go to the Church of Joni and hopefully I will freak them out enough so they won't know what to make of me and they will just leave. What if we walked door to door, handing people copies of Hejira, telling them how awful the music in the world is and that they won't really be enlightened till they listen to Joni Mitchell. It would seem like a really odd thing to do. I discovered Joni Mitchell on my own without any instructional materials, and developed my own thoughts about her. Most things are better discovered this way. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:40:10 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Valley Distribution(njc) I remember that someone on this list works for Valley Distribution. Could you please contact me off list. Thanks so much! Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:53:09 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Question??..... Liz writes: << Hey there I am a music student, currently writing a song analysis of Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi" What i am seeking out is any information at all, that anybody might have on the song. I am particulary concerned with the lyrics & meaning, the lyrics & music relationship, the use of instruments, her folk/jazz style or anything else that might be interesting to add.>> Hi Liz: Funny you should ask. I've been reading a book called _Angels of the Night: Popular Female Singers of Our Time_, by Wilfrid Mellars (Oxford Press, 1986). The author is a noted musicologist, who has also done books on the music of the Beatles and Dylan. He was one of the first in the field to research popular music. Perhaps you've read it... Chapter 8 is an analysis of Joni's musical body of work up to that time, titled "White Seagull, Black Highwaywoman, Red Squaw: Joni Mitchell" (pages 141-168). I found it informative to some extent. In case you missed it, the following is what the author had to say re: "Big Yellow Taxi" (p. 151). Just for fun, I've added footnotes, with definitions below, for a few of the more obscure musicology terms: "The disc [LOTC, 1970] includes one number, 'Big Yellow Taxi,' that transmutes a folky idiom - the refrain is a primitive tumbling strain* [see footnote 1] - into city rockabilly, with agressive percussion and electric guitars. These are prompted by the theme, for this is an anti-city song about turning paradise into parking lots and putting trees in museums. Yet lyricism* [2] survives, and hints at an evolution for Joni's songs as she enters the seventies. Up to this point any Black tinge from the blues has been precipitated from White folk sources; from here onwards the impact of the urban blues, modifying the country heritage is direct. The melodies tend to be more chromatically [3] coloured, the harmonies tougher, the rythyms more nervous. Strumming, a technique seldom previously encountered in her work, now creates a continuum of sound to encourage twitching feet; while the *dis*-continuity of the line promotes fluidity, loosening the bonds by increased syncopation and more flexible alternations of duple and triple metres. Lyrical arabesques* [3] roam more widely, though jazz freedom is counteracted by the tighter rythyms Joni had picked up from rock and roll. This tension between freedom and discipline cannot - as Joni's later career demonstrates - have been easy to sustain. Both passion and pain are manifest in what Joni does with her voice, which now moves over a range of one and a half octaves, the timbre varying fr! om that of Whitest folk to Black est blues singer, with hints of other ethnic cultures thrown in for good measure." ___________ * [1] tumbling strain - a phrase invented by ethnomusicologist Curt Sachs to describe a frequent procedure in primitive musics whereby a vocal phrase starts at a high, strained pitch then tumbles wildly downwards with an effect of uncontrolled libido. * [2] lyricism - 1: personal direct intense style or quality in an art (as poetry or music) 2: exuberance of style or feeling * [3] chromatic - characterized by frequent use of nonharmonic tones or of harmonies based on nonharmonic tones. * [4] arabesque - a contrived intricate pattern of verbal expression <"arabesques of alliteration" - C.E. Montague> - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:16:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: My MTV Life <> My car CD changer is one of my true joys...it was funny, two weeks ago I took my wife to the VW dealer so she could pick up the new Passatt she bought. Now you have to get the total picture; my car is a 1990 Mitsubishi Galant, not a junker or a clunker but not new either. Plus now it's covered in bird poop because I made the mistake of parking under a bird-infested tree. Anyway, I parked next to this new bronze-colored beauty that my wife picked out, so it was quite a contrast. The dealer commented that my wife would have to keep me from driving it, to which I commented that I had absolutely no interest in driving it as it only had a tape player! He gave me a strange look which is OK cuz I get a lot of them anyway. So my car may not be the envy of the black, but the sound system is magnificent! A 10-disc changer, I get to listen to good music all week with no commercials, annoying DJ's, news, weather, all that. And I sing, I mean I WAIL away! Plus, it's about the only chance I have to really listen to the music and pick up all the subtleties or focus on what the writer is saying. Bob NP: Helmet, "Clean" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Got to be a trophy winner... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Well, I ran a little 5K today and won a trophy for > 3rd place in my age > category. 3.1 miles in 20:58...not too shabby imo! Good for you, Bob - more power to ya! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:51:34 EDT From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: James Taylor (NJC) I apologize if this has already been mentioned on list, but I just read about a new album called "Sketches of James." "Like the songs of Johnny Mercer, James Taylor's tunes are melodically rich, subtly rhythmic and complex enough to provide jazz musicians with an ideal place to start riffing. This tribute to 10 classic Taylor songs proves the folkies airy musings work well in smoke-filled grottoes. Produced by guitarist-arranger Tim Weston, 48, son of bandleader Paul Weston and 50's pop singer Jo Stafford, the collection lacks a marquee talent (there's nary a Marsalis on hand) but turns to medium-impact names, with an emphasis on such Latin stars as Flora Purim, Oscar Castro-Neves and Poncho Sanchez's Latin Jazz Band. Sanchez gets Taylor's most familiar composition, "Fire and Rain," which he renders in an admirably nondramatized congas-and-piano arrangement. Shirley Horn's typically introspective vocal, meanwhile, matches up beautifully with "Secret o' Life," Purim's vocal over Airto Moreira's Brazilian percussion on "Only A Dream in Rio" is heavenly, and Tower of Power puts some macho into "Steamroller." People Magazine, April 2, 2001 Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:57:21 -0400 From: jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff Clark) Subject: Re: Luka covers Joni <> It is good to see Luka's name out and about on this list--he is absolutely my favorite guitar player after Joni and is a highly poetic songwriter and a very passionate singer and performer. He often mentions Joni in interviews and cites her as one of his primary influences (like we haven't heard *that* a million times!). On an earlier album he recorded a song called "To Begin to" which is a tribute to Joni, specifically an account of his first hearing her Blue album. This is something every Joni fan should hear. Jeff NP: Traffic-"Many a Mile to Freedom" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: James Taylor (NJC) On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 LeslieMixon@aol.com wrote: > folkies airy musings work well in smoke-filled grottoes. Produced by > guitarist-arranger Tim Weston, 48, son of bandleader Paul Weston and 50's pop > singer Jo Stafford, the collection lacks a marquee talent (there's nary a Funny you should post this, Leslie. I was just reading a write up and it struck me because I was a great fan of Paul and Jo's brilliant Jonathan and Darlene albums. And I recently sent David Lahm a tape I just received from an aunt of my Uncle Sam singing on radio with Paul Weston accompanying him on piano. Paul was a true musical genius. I had not known that his son Tim followed in his parent's musical footsteps. Jerry np: Laura Nyro - Walk on By ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:28:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Luka covers Joni NJC <> True, and sadly it's stuck on the weakest of his releases to date, Turf. I was introduced to Luka by way of "Riverside", which after all these years I still regard as his best. His new one is all covers, which is cool, but I love his original stuff even more...Riverside is one of the best sequenced records I ever heard, with the ballads balanced side by side with the more upbeat songs. "Gone to Pablo" is really gorgeous, and "An Irishman in Chinatown" gives me a big smile every time. The record opens with "Delirious" which indeed makes you feel that way. It ends with a pretty instrumental "The Hill of Allen". It's a treat from start to finish. A nod to his folk and Celtic roots without ever patronizing them. Acoustic Motorbike is worth a mention, but Riverside still rises to the top for me. I would bet that 99 out of 100 Joni fans would enjoy his work. Bob NP: P.M. Dawn, "You Got Me Floatin'" (Hendrix trib) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:03:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC NEW STATE SLOGANS.... Alabama: Yes, We Have Electricity Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't Be Wrong! Arizona: But It's A Dry Heat Arkansas: Literacy Ain't Everything California: By 30, Our Women Have More Plastic Than Your Honda Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only The Kennedy's Don't Own It Yet Delaware: We Really Do Like The Chemicals In Our Water Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids Georgia: We Put The "Fun" In Fundamentalist Extremism Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death To Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money) Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes ... Well Okay, We're Not, But The Potatoes Sure Are Real Good Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S" Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names Louisiana: We're Not ALL Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster Maryland: If You Can Dream It, We Can Tax It Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets) Michigan: First Line Of Defense From The Canadians Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes ... And 10,000,000,000,000 Mosquitoes Mississippi: Come And Feel Better About Your Own State Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars At Work Montana: Land Of The Big Sky, The Unabomber, Right-Wing Crazies, And Very Little Else Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest Nevada: Whores and Poker! New Hampshire: Go Away And Leave Us Alone New Jersey: You Want A ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##! 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And The Sheep Are Scared!!! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:38:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Willy the Shake is in New York, Mini Joni Fest? NJC Attention NYC JMDLers' and surrounding areas I know this is sort of short notice, but Willy the Shake is in town and I'd thought it would be nice to welcome him back to NYC, so we've got something planned for Wed. evening 4/4 at Judy's Chelsea. Alison and I will be there and maybe Jeff and Nikki too. So if anyone cares to join us, the more the merrier. Alison and I were thinking of just hanging out in the front by the piano bar so we can talk and smoke! LOL I am going to TRY to be there between 6-7PM. David will be playing that evening in the Cabaret room . They do serve dinners as long as you are seated by 7:00PM, I believe and there is a cover charge for that room. It would be a good idea to make reservations in advance if you would like to see the show and/or have dinner. Email either Alison or myself if you are interested. The address for Judy's Chelsea is 169 Eighth Ave. Tel. Phone# (212) 929-5410 Schedule: > Wed 4/04 8:30 pm - Judy Niemack in "Everybody's Boppin!" with David Lahm, > piano & Jeanfrancois Prins, guitar Cheers, Rose in NJ NP: The Hissing Demos Thank you Catherine!!! rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:24:54 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #105 Hi there, I have tried repeatedly to enter the joni chat room but keep getting an error message saying the password i'm trying to use is already in use. This may be, but it says that on everything i try, including my own first & last name. Any suggestions? Donna Binkley - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:00 AM To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #105 onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 105 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Luka covers Joni ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Luka covers Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE:tori does joni again [Jim Livecchi ] Re: tori does joni again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Tori does it again ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Did the list die? [Vince Lavieri ] slow Sunday [Vince Lavieri ] People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: For the Roses [Jason Maloney ] Plum Island rental [peves@marlboro.edu] Thanks [Emilia Bedelia ] Re: Thanks [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= ] Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) and Jonatha! [Phyliss Ward ] More Joni in NY Times [Vince Lavieri ] Re: For the Roses [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's name (was Icelandics) ["hell" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:11:47 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Luka covers Joni The other day, browsing in a record store, I noticed that Luka Bloom (Irish singer - brother of Christy Moore) had recorded a version of 'Urge for Going' on his new album 'Keeper of The Flame'. In addition to Joni, he also covers The Cures' 'In Between Days', Abba's 'Dancing Queen' and Radiohead's 'No Surprises', amongst others. On his website I found this in a recent interview with a German newspaper - "For me there is a connection between the songwriting of Thom Yorkes and Joni Mitchell. Both of them express their feelings. They just do it in a different way." I see he has a page where fans can make suggestions as to which songs he should cover - http://www.page27.co.uk/jan/suggest.htm - Someone had suggested 'Urge' - and someone else has suggested 'Free Man in Paris', I see. PaulC - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 06:55:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Luka covers Joni << I noticed that Luka Bloom (Irish singer - brother of Christy Moore) had recorded a version of 'Urge for Going' on his new album 'Keeper of The Flame'. >> That's a great record and a bunch of swell covers, Paul. Your fellow Brit Bill "Sgt. Rock" Pearson contributed it to the cause and it's safely contained in Volume 14. For the lowdown on the JMDL covers project, run don't walk to: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/index.cfm And thanks for the note - I need all the help I can get! :~) Bob NP: Crosby & Nash, "Urge For Going" - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:13:17 -0400 From: Jim Livecchi Subject: RE:tori does joni again To my knowledge, there is no studio recording of this song (official or unofficial). She was doing an improv version of the song during the Under the Pink tour. It's really snippets of the song, incorporated into her song "Cloud on My Tongue." I've seen it on a couple of bootlegs. One in particular is "Bells for Her." If I had a copy, I'd make you one. This is a quote of hers about "Cloud on my Tongue" which kind of explains the connection I think: "Yes, totally sensory self, that doesn't know - there's a wonderful acceptance in "Cloud On My Tongue," an acceptance of being in circles and circles again. That's its whirlpool vat. It all leads to that. Because I travel a lot around the world, and I went to all sorts of places, and I ran in to different people. Borneo had something that I didn't have. It was a very free, hot, jungly place, and the people that, or a person that came from there, had something that I didn't have that I desperately wanted, which was this no rigidity. When I say "Leave the wood outside, what, all the girls here are freezing cold, leave me with your Borneo." Hope this helps. - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:35:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: tori does joni again << To my knowledge, there is no studio recording of this song (official or unofficial). She was doing an improv version of the song during the Under the Pink tour. It's really snippets of the song, incorporated into her song "Cloud on My Tongue." >> Well, the version that we have on Volume 2 is a complete version, and is DEFINITELY a studio version, not a live version. It's to be found on Atlantic Records' 1995 release PRCD-6360-2 titled Spew U (Atlantic's CMJ Survival Kit). So consider your base of knowledge officially expanded! :~) NP: Tori, "A Case of You" (sent to me way back when by Kevin in Scotland...you still out there, buddy?) - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:53:45 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Tori does it again Jim wrote : "To my knowledge, there is no studio recording of this song (official or unofficial)." This is not true. There is an official studio version of "A Case of You" as a B-Side - I own it. It was issued with one of the singles for "Little Earthquakes" or "Under The Pink". Unfortunately, my ex sold off all my Tori CD singles during our break-up and while I was in the process of moving out, under the premise that I owed him money (which I did, but I'll never fully recooperate from the tactic!). Anyway, all that remains are cassettes from those recordings. The timing of the studio version is 4:38 - why not try Napster? I have it lumped together with "Home on The Range", "Strange Fruit" and "If 6 was 9" - I'm assuming they're all from the same single. Maybe 2. Cheers! - - -Chris PS. If my cassette version helps in any way, I'll send it to ya'! - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:03:09 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Did the list die? Bob, I don't think the list died, I think all of us (except you and me, and you more than me) have found ourselves speechless; me, I babble on regardless. :-) Maybe the off-day last Thursday gave everyone time to rest and recreate and maybe re-create. As I transferred volumes of stuff yesterday from old mac to new imac I read through maybe 210 emails that I had saved from the list. There are so many wonderful people in the JMDL! I discarded maybe 190 of the saved emails as I can't save everything forever, but what a reminder of so many great people and great times and laughs and sharing and caring and all that makes this not a cyber list but a real community. I guess I have been a member since February or March of 1999 so it has been slightly more than two years, and this was the best thing that I got involved with on the internet and what did I ever do before I had these wonderful people as my friends? Rock on, and thanks Joni and JMDL, (the Rev) Vince - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:30:16 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: slow Sunday For the newbies since last time I posted this, for the oldies who haven't seen it for a while, this is one of my favorite bookmarks: http://faculty.uca.edu/james.murray/joni150.gif I actually have no idea where this originated; someone posted it to the JMDL back in 1999 and I save it because it makes me laugh every time I look at it. I know it uses the dreaded words "folk singer" but... (the Rev) Vince No one has every made a cartoon like this about Jim Nabors. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:57:23 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) Well, folks, I'm sorry to report that my People Magazine which arrived yesterday has a not-so-shining review of Shawn Colvin's new album, "Whole New You." I was going to offset this with the glowing report they had of Jonatha Brooke's new album "Steady Pull," which they rated as their "Album of the Week" last week but I can't find that issue right now. I'll keep digging. In the meantime, here is the Shawn review, with nods to Joni, but unfortunately at Shawn's expense (asterisked comments are mine): People Weekly, April 9, 2001: "Whole New You," Shawn Colvin, Reviewed by Ralph Novak. "Still sounds like the same old her to us. Colvin's singing remains wispy and dyspeptic, her songwriting enigmatic and abstract. In short, Colvin is a denatured version of her role model, Joni Mitchell.* The delicacy and understatement that go along with Colvin's style have their rewards, but on such a tune as her own "Another Plane Went Down" -- which alludes to the explosion of TWA Flight 800 -- her imprecise diction at times makes it hard to understand what she's singing about. Complicating matters is the vague, almost subconscious sense of unrest that permeates her songs: "Roger Wilco" is merely a recitaton of military jargon without context. It's clear that we're supposed to disapprove, but it's not clear why. Even the backgrounds are bland, lest a strong backup singer or musician overpower her. Colvin would have been wiser to follow more closely the example of Mitchell, whose bold experiments with jazz backup singers** have given her new expressiveness and energy. Bottom Line: Sometimes less is less. * Ouch! ** What?! I thought *she* was the jazz singer ... My bottom line: Maybe they should get a review from my 4-year-old son who thinks Shawn Colvin is the greatest! Stay well all. Welcome back, Kakki (I hope! I'll come up there personally and talk you back on to the list!) and happy birthday, Paz! P.S. Any Neil Finn fans out there, I purchased his DVD, "Sessions at West 54th" and it's just amazing. Even my husband, who is Mr. Heavy Metal himself, said he thought it was very good, much better than he'd expected, and Neil is a great musician. Hey, think about it hon', do I waste my time with lousy musicians?? No! I distill it down to the best! All good wishes, Lindsay (Sheesh! I lurk for months on end and then you can't shut me up!) - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 18:32:01 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) Hi Lindsay, Well, I was listening to the Whole New You CD for the first time as your mail arrived. I'm finding it very enjoyable...I'm not enough of a SC connoisseur to place it in context with her other work, but it sounds wonderful, especially the first half-dozen tracks. Jason. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:58:18 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: For the Roses Some time ago a guy named Matthew Hall appeared on the list, saying that he was putting together a fanzine that would focus on current singer/songwriters. He was looking to find someone to write an article about Joni for the premier issue. I had always wanted to write my own take on Joni's career. So with the full realization that nothing would probably ever come of it and the knowledge that I was risking being plagiarized, I wrote a rather lengthy retrospective of Joni's career up to the release of BSN. I sent it to Matthew, heard from him once or twice and haven't heard from him since. That was a year or so ago. I really don't care since I'm not a published writer and had wanted to write something like this anyway for a long time. Any way, there's been some talk about For the Roses recently, so I thought I'd post my take on where it fits into Joni's life and the arc of her career. If any one is at all interested in reading my mini-novel on Joni, please let me know. I did some research on it on the JMDL & Joni Mitchell.com homepages but I'm not sure I got all my facts exactly straight. So if anybody wants to see it, let me know. Here's the part about FTR: Joni took a break from the L A music scene after recording 'Blue', retreating to the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia. She even considered giving up her musical career entirely at this time. But her creative muse was too strong to be silenced & she emerged from this period of solitude and reflection a stronger & wiser person. She was still vulnerable & a die-hard romantic, but less inclined to be knocked down by the ups & downs of life & love. She also came back with a collection of songs that would comprise her most ambitious & mature album up to that point, 'For the Roses'. In the song 'Woman of Heart & Mind' from 'For the Roses' (1972), Joni sings: 'I am a woman of heart and mind/with time on her hands, no child to raise/you come to me like a little boy/and I give you my scorn & my praise'. The song and the album are a declaration that she has emerged from her dark night of the soul a survivor, tempered & strengthened, better equipped to handle romantic relationships & ready to take on increasingly mature & ambitious work. While the lyrics are much more bare-bones & to the point than anything she had written before, the musical background she gives them is fuller & more complex. The album features woodwinds & reeds played by Tom Scott of the LA Express and also a string arrangement by Bobby Notkoff for the song 'Judgment of the Moon & Stars' . 'FTR' also produced Joni's first top 40 radio hit, the tongue-in-cheek country flavored 'You Turn Me On I'm A Radio' . Her voice shows an increasing maturity on 'For the Roses', employing less of her stratospheric upper register and taking on an earthier tone and the songs 'Banquet', 'Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire', 'Let the Wind Carry Me' and 'Blonde in the Bleachers' reveal increasing depth & maturity in her songwriting.. The title track from 'FTR' is the first of Joni's songs to express her growing discontent & disillusionment with the record business and the culture of celebrity. The first but not the last. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:25:27 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: For the Roses Hi Mark, Yes, I remember the Mathhew Hall thing...I also submitted something to him and never heard back. I ended up using the brief overview of Joni's recording career I'd written for his fanzine on my own website - so something good came of it. Some people who saw it on my site then commented on its lack of depth, but that was the whole point of my piece...it was supposed to be a condensed overview. I'd be interested to read your article. Jason. Mark or Travis wrote: > > Some time ago a guy named Matthew Hall appeared on the list, saying > that he was putting together a fanzine that would focus on current > singer/songwriters. He was looking to find someone to write an > article about Joni for the premier issue. I had always wanted to > write my own take on Joni's career. So with the full realization that > nothing would probably ever come of it and the knowledge that I was > risking being plagiarized, I wrote a rather lengthy retrospective of > Joni's career up to the release of BSN. I sent it to Matthew, heard > from him once or twice and haven't heard from him since. That was a > year or so ago. I really don't care since I'm not a published writer > and had wanted to write something like this anyway for a long time. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:55:37 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Plum Island rental Hi, I have access to a house on Atty May's street. It is available Sat, Sun and Labor Day. If anyone is interested email me off-line and I will connect you to a friend of mine who is the owner. Peg - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Emilia Bedelia Subject: Thanks I would like to thank everyone very very very much!!! All the help you have given me helped me a great deal!!!! I don't know my full grade on my project yet but I think I got the most points I could possibly get from Friday night when I had to be Joni!!!!! I bought 3 packs of candy ciggerets, and used all the info you all have given me!!!!! Thanks again!!!!! I'll get back to you w/ my final grade when i get it!!! Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:49:48 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: Re: Thanks And really, all I can say... What ever happened to that 3 p. of candy c., I know, I shouldn4t bother. So just f....off. E.B. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emilia Bedelia" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Thanks > I would like to thank everyone very very very much!!! All the help you have given me helped me a great deal!!!! I don't know my full grade on my project yet but I think I got the most points I could possibly get from Friday night when I had to be Joni!!!!! I bought 3 packs of candy ciggerets, and used all the info you all have given me!!!!! Thanks again!!!!! I'll get back to you w/ my final grade when i get it!!! > Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:03:22 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: People Review of Shawn Colvin (SJC) and Jonatha! Hi Lindsay! This SoCal lurker is sure glad to hear your voice! I bought "Whole New You" along with 5 other used but new to me cd's on Friday but haven't had the chance to listen to it yet. I'll let 'ya know... Glad to hear about Jonatha's rave review in People and would love you to post it when you find it. As you probably know, the album is fantastic. Kakki, my husband Bob and I went to see Jonatha play live Friday night in El Lay. She was with her band and Wow! A very rocking set. Kakki and I couldn't believe it. She had the guitar player doing Hendrix like licks and everything. The place was packed and apparently there were a lot of industry folks there to check her out including Julia Fordham, one of Kakki's other favorites. The crowd LOVED her. I don't think I've ever heard a crowd that size make so much noise. I'm very roughly guessing about 600 - 800 people but I'm really not good at that kind of thing. Even Bob, who isn't really as into it as I am said he would be very suprised if she doesn't make it really big. She was that good. (Eat your heart out Rick, you coulda been there! ; - )) Phyliss Lindsay Moon wrote: > Well, folks, I'm sorry to report that my People Magazine which arrived > yesterday has a not-so-shining review of Shawn Colvin's new album, "Whole > New You." I was going to offset this with the glowing report they had of > Jonatha Brooke's new album "Steady Pull," which they rated as their "Album > of the Week" last week but I can't find that issue right now. I'll keep > digging. In the meantime, here is the Shawn review, with nods to Joni, but > unfortunately at Shawn's expense (asterisked comments are mine): - - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:26:01 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni in NY Times letters Always nice to see Joni get mentioned so nicely. CHICAGO JAZZ A New Generation To the Editor: Thank you for the articles "Organized Sound From Chicago's Jazz Underground" by Adam Shatz and "Post Rock' Hipsters Look Back to Fusion," about the Chicago band Tortoise, by Ben Sisario [March 18]. It is heartening to see a "new thing" being acknowledged. I would argue that this movement is part of a larger trend: the musicians arriving on the scene in New York, Chicago and elsewhere are the first true "post- jazz" generation. They are young enough to have avoided the jazz orthodoxy battles of the 80's, and in their musical universe artists as disparate as Chopin, Stockhausen, Coltrane, Joni Mitchell, DJ Keith, OutKast and Radiohead exist on equal terms and are audible influences. PAT DONAHER Astoria, Queens - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:31:02 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: More Joni in NY Times The rest of the article can be found at http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/01/arts/01METC.html but I liked the beginning of the article best: April 1, 2001 MUSIC With the Auteur Passi, Rock Gets Impersonal EARLY 40 years have passed since rock 'n' roll, on the back of Bob Dylan, first got serious. In a span of a few years, he introduced the protest song to a mass audience, broke the three-minute mold for an airplay hit and imported an entirely new range of experience and allusion into popular music. After meeting Mr. Dylan in the mid-60's, three of the Beatles evolved from the cheeky moptops of "Love Me Do" into highly idiosyncratic songwriters, each with a sense of his own individual genius, not to mention stardom. For the next 10 or so years, the singer- songwriter label signaled rock's seriousness. For a broad audience there was James Taylor; for the cognoscenti the moping Leonard Cohen; for both, and everyone in between, Joni Mitchell, whose starkly confessional, musically complex albums are still widely regarded as masterpieces. While the term has since fallen into abuse, calling up images of self-indulgent drones, the movement's basic premise influenced virtually every rock act that followed: a singer should be responsible for writing his or her own material. No less important to rock than the auteur theory was to film, the singer-songwriter was radical in uniting stardom with creative control. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:09:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For the Roses - - --- Mark or Travis wrote: >If any one is at all interested in > reading my > mini-novel on Joni, please let me know. I did some > research on it on > the JMDL & Joni Mitchell.com homepages but I'm not > sure I got all my > facts exactly straight. So if anybody wants to see > it, let me know. I'd be interested, Mark - I always enjoy your posts. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:20:45 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's name (was Icelandics) Alison wrote: > does anyone ever wonder why joni kept the name > mitchell instead of going back to her birth > "anderson"? I'm a bit late replying but have been pondering this one. I'm guessing, but I think there were probably two reasons. (a) because she was already known as Joni Mitchell on the "coffee house circuit" (for want of a better term), and she probably had a small following already, and (b) having a different name maybe gives her a little bit of anonymity. She could go back to Canada as Joan Anderson, and I'd imagine that a lot of people (especially those not clued up to the latest in the music scene) wouldn't know who she was from her looks. Like I said, this is a complete guess, and I'd be interested to hear others views? Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #105 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #158 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?