From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #152 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 152 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: POSITIVE!NJC [catman ] Re: Eminem is the villain, NJC [catman ] Re: wit NJC [catman ] 'Sour' Angelica [Gordon Mackie ] Absolutely njc - more four legged humour [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Absolutely njc - more four legged humour [catman ] Re: wit NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Absolutely njc - more four legged humour ["Victor Johnson" ] Re:Wally Breece [Jodcrazee@aol.com] Re: wit NJC [catman ] Re: Subject: Re: more pissed off NJC [catman ] heavyweight cultural analysis njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Icelandics SJC ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: wit / peyote NJC [Alison E ] Re: wit NJC ["C.A. Starkey" ] iceland NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Icelandics SJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: more pissed offNJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 [Catherine McKay ] RE: Synchronicity~ Get Together (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." ["shane mattison"] Re: iceland NJC [Alison E ] Re: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." [] Re: sugarcubes NJC [Alison E ] RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #151 ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: wit NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] offer withdrawn [catman ] re: ...long fall from grace [Susan McNamara ] re: Wally Breese [Susan McNamara ] Re: more pissed offNJC [Heather ] Re: my long fall from grace... [Heather ] Re: more pissed offNJC [catman ] Re: offer withdrawn ["Victor Johnson" ] Falling from grace too NJC ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Joni's Jazz ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Falling from grace too NJC [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: offer withdrawn [catman ] Re: Falling from grace too NJC [catman ] RE: more pissed offNJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 NJC ["Sally A. Bowers" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:20:02 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: POSITIVE!NJC excellent. I was introduced to this philosophy years ago and is the reason why I changed so much. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:22:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Eminem is the villain, NJC > The way I remember the Eminem thread, Michael Y. said that Eminem was merely > holding up a mirror to our violent, hateful society. Then everyone shrugged > and turned away. I think that is exactly why people turned away-they don't want to see themselves in those lyrics. he is mirroring our societies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:25:13 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: wit NJC > the above mentioned > peyote use is also merely alleged. I have not come across this word before, peyote, what does it mean? > > > np: shawn colvin "whole new you" > run, don't walk, to get this album... > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:38:42 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: 'Sour' Angelica Hi Ya ( This was used as the title for a Scottish version of 'Hello' magazine...it flopped pretty quickly. It is how many Scots greet each other) The 'bimbo' discussion reminded me of a simulation game I'm thinking about purchasing to explore cultural clashes with students. I'd be interested in knowing whether you think I should buy it ! The manufacturers description states: "Barnga introduces the shock of realising that in spite of many similarities, people form other cultures have differences in the way they do things. Their rules are different form our rules.Participants play a simple card game in small groups. Conflict begins to occur as participants move from group to group because the rules aren't the same. This simulates real cross-cultural encounters where people believe they share the same basic understanding of the basic rules. Instead, players must first recognise there are different rules, then struggle to understand and reconcile the different rules to play successfully. As I type this, I'm smiling to myself as my iMac tells me I spell recognise and realise incorrectly when in my culture these spellings are quite correct. The title of my post is a pretty poor play on words. 'Suor Angelica' (Sister Angelica) for those who aren't aware is a Puccini opera. The most famous aria is 'Senza mama, oh bimbo tu sei morto' very roughly translated as "Without your mother my baby you died" A cheery story of a woman sent to a nunnery for having an 'illegitimate' child. You say "Suor' and I say 'sour'. Lots of singing nuns ...very camp....makes the Sound of Music look like heavyweight cultural analysis. P.S. Bimbo in UK popular culture means one thing only and it has been defined already by others. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:37:07 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Absolutely njc - more four legged humour I couldn't resist, folks - this really made me chuckle A man buys several sheep, hoping to breed them for wool. After several weeks, he notices that none of the sheep are getting pregnant, and calls a vet for help. The vet tells him that he should try artificial insemination. The guy doesn't have the slightest idea what this means but, not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he will know when the sheep are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will stop standing around and will, instead, lay down and wallow in grass when they are pregnant. The Man hangs up and gives it some thought. He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means he has to impregnate the sheep. So, he loads the sheep into his truck, drives them out into the woods, has sex with them all, brings them back and goes to bed. Next morning, he wakes and looks out at the sheep. Seeing that they are all still standing around, he deduces that the first try didn't take,and loads them in the truck again. He drives them out to the woods, bangs each sheep twice for good measure, brings them back and goes to bed. Next morning, he wakes to find the sheep still just standing around. One more try, he tells himself, and proceeds to load them up and drive them out to the woods. He spends all day shagging the sheep and, upon returning home, falls listlessly into bed. The next morning, he cannot even raise himself from the bed to look at the sheep. He asks his wife to look out and tell him if the sheep are laying in the grass. "No," she says, "they're all in the truck and one of them is honking the horn." Return-Path: Received: from rly-xc05.mx.aol.com (rly-xc05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.138]) by air-xc02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:07:55 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f132.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.132]) by rly-xc05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:07:27 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:07:27 -0800 Received: from 213.219.26.178 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:07:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.219.26.178] From: "Emma Stanton" To: Amichae1@ford.com, AzeemAK@aol.com, marios.savva@river-island.com, Chris@chargeobject.freeserve.co.uk, davebeatles@hotmail.com, Adam_Dixey@hotmail.com, gpascoe@abs805.co.uk, Chris_HALLS@cofacelbf.com, Jamiew1@hotmail.com, janeycannon@hotmail.com, JOELCULLEN@HOTMAIL.COM, LPorter@refco.com, loulabelle08@hotmail.com, Lozewan@hotmail.com, slikapache@hotmail.com, MorettiN@BNP.com, scalesandrew@hotmail.com, helene.savva@telemate.fr, Karatek1d@hotmail.com, tmorant10@hotmail.com, amores@cwcom.net Subject: Fwd: Sheeps Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:07:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2001 09:07:27.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[82807DE0:01C0B766] X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) >From: Angelo.Pavlou@symbian.com >To: emmastanton@hotmail.com >Subject: Fwd: Sheeps >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:47:23 +0100 > > > > > > > A man buys several sheep, hoping to breed them for wool. After several > > > weeks, he notices that none of the sheep are getting pregnant, and >calls > > > a vet for help. The vet tells him that he should try artificial > > > insemination. The guy doesn't have the slightest idea what this means > > > but, not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he >will > > > know when the sheep are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will >stop > > > standing around and will, instead, lay down and wallow in grass when > > > they are pregnant. > > > The Man hangs up and gives it some thought. > > > He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means he has >to > > > impregnate the sheep. > > > So, he loads the sheep into his truck, drives them out into the woods, > > > has sex with them all, brings them back and goes to bed. > > > Next morning, he wakes and looks out at the sheep. 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He starts dialing numbers...like a telephone... on his hand, then talking into his hand. The bartender walks over and tells him this is a very tough neighborhood and he doesn't need any trouble here. The guy says, "You don't understand. I'm very hi-tech. I had a phone installed in my hand because I was tired of carrying the cellular." The bartender says "Prove it." The guy dials up a number and hands his hand to the bartender. The bartender talks into the hand and carries on a conversation. "That's incredible", says the bartender... "I would never have believed it!" "Yeah", said the guy, "I can keep in touch with my broker, my wife, you name it. By the way, where is the men's room?" The bartender directs him to the men's room. The guy goes in and 5,10, 20 minutes go by and he doesn't return. Fearing the worst given the neighborhood, the bartender goes into the men's room. There is the guy spread-eagle on the wall. His pants are pulled down and he has a roll of toilet paper up his butt. "Oh my god!" said the bartender. "Did they rob you? Are you hurt?" The guy turns to him and says: "No, I'm ok..... I'm just waiting for a fax." - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:22:45 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: wit NJC > > the above mentioned > > peyote use is also merely alleged. > > I have not come across this word before, peyote, what does it mean? Peyote is a hallucinagenic, used most notably in Native American culture in the course of a vision quest, a mystical search/journey for identity and self discovery. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:40:31 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Absolutely njc - more four legged humour A cowboy was trekking across the desert and happened to come across an Indian accompanied by a horse, a dog, and a sheep. The horse was extraordinary fine looking and the cowboy asked the Indian if he would mind if he checked out this fine creature. So the cowboy walked up, gazed admiringly, and said,"My what a fine horse you are!" "Thank you," said the horse. The cowboy nearly jumped out of his boots when he heard the horse speak, having never heard an animal talk. But he managed to compose himself and asked the horse how he was doing. "Well, we've been on the road several days now, but this Indian treats me really nice, and gives me plenty of food and water, and brushes my coat every day. Pleasure to meet you," drawled the horse. Naturally assuming the dog could speak as well, the cowboy asked the Indian if you would mind if he spoke with his dog, and the Indian gave a shrug, and obliged. "Hi dog," said the cowboy."How is your life?" "Oh, I can't complain," said the dog." I get to roam around as much as I please, chase the prairie mice and the rabbits, and this Indian always cooks me up a good meal...I can't complain" Now totally amazed at these speaking creatures, the cowboy could barely contain himself. Glancing over at the Indian, the cowboy nodded at the sheep and began to walk over to have a word. But the Indian, with a terrified look on his face, quickly blurted out, "Sheep no talk! Sheep no talk!" Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:40:24 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Eminem is the villain, NJC Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Jerry said, > > Nice try, Louis. > > A search of the dictionaries shows: > > > Cambridge Dictionary of American English: > > > bimbo noun [C] SLANG > > a young woman considered attractive but stupid > > This word is offensive. > > Jerry, > This is interesting but, with all due respect, it's a moot point. No one > called Julia Roberts a bimbo. Where was all this indignation about misogyny > when we were discussing Eminem? I felt like the only one railing against > his hateful, graphic lyrics. He doesn't just call women 'bimbos', but he > fantasies about torture and death for women and gays. I mean, let's not > demonize one of our own when the demon isn't even in the room! > > The way I remember the Eminem thread, Michael Y. said that Eminem was merely > holding up a mirror to our violent, hateful society. Then everyone shrugged > and turned away. Not I. I just took it off list, one on one. I did not agree with Michael. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:59:09 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Subject: Re: more pissed off NJC My mom told me that those crazy people on her list have started to let their animals post, so I had to chime in with my story. You won't believe the humiliation that I've gone through in MY short life. Everything started out great. I began life with a very macho name, Murphy. Then my mom met this woman who took a lot of her attention away from ME and on top of that, started calling me Myrtle! (She thinks all cats are feminine.) Talk about a gender identity crisis!!! THEN, my mom went along with it because Joni's mom's name is Myrtle. YIKES! The biggest insult of all is when they started calling me Myrtle-Moo because I put on a few pounds and my belly hangs a little. Geez- It happens to all of us. My moms don't exactly have perfectly sculpted bodies either!! Anyway, I'm learning to live with it. My mom uses my name for her e-mail address, so I guess it's a compliment to me. And the other one? She slips me liver sausage when my mom's out of town, so I'm trying really hard to live with a silly name and praying that my mom goes to Joni fest! Murphy (aka Myrtle) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:12:25 EST From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: Re:Wally Breece This was a very moving post. Got me thinking how Joni has remained one of my top favorite artists Oh I admit I strayed where I wasen't listening to Joni but I always came back to her. And it was with great pleasure to see her getting the recognition (oh I massacred that word along with massacre itself) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:34:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: wit NJC > Peyote is a hallucinagenic, used most notably in Native American culture in > the course of a vision quest, a mystical search/journey for identity and > self discovery. Oh, just like in Altered States. > > > Victor > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, > Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." > Victor Johnson - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:37:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Subject: Re: more pissed off NJC > She slips me liver sausage when my mom's out of > town, well Murphy you obviouly are not an English cat or you would have rephrased this! As for your mum's friend who insists cats are all feminine, spray on her and show her your balls! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: re: long fall from grace... hi ric. LOL. i love it! as for being seventeen...the more things change, the more they stay the same. have an awesome day - christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:05:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: heavyweight cultural analysis njc gordon! what synchronicity!!! yesterday i used the example of sublime suor angelica by supremely gifted giacomo puccini as an example of the use of ''bimbo'' in an authentically italian context. now what was that about culture clashes? wallyK, np: puccini's turandot, that ineffable peak of western culture. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gordon Mackie Enviado el: Miircoles, 28 de Marzo de 2001 06:39 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: 'Sour' Angelica The title of my post is a pretty poor play on words. 'Suor Angelica' (Sister Angelica) for those who aren't aware is a Puccini opera. The most famous aria is 'Senza mama, oh bimbo tu sei morto' very roughly translated as "Without your mother my baby you died" A cheery story of a woman sent to a nunnery for having an 'illegitimate' child. You say "Suor' and I say 'sour'. Lots of singing nuns ...very camp....makes the Sound of Music look like heavyweight cultural analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Icelandics SJC hmmm, i don't know who they are so i guess they haven't crossed the pond into my consciousness yet. who are they, rob? side note, that makes me feel groovy... my great great grandfather was named einar magnusson. grandpa ollie became ollie einarsson here in the US, and the spelling was eventually bastardized down to einerson. so if you ever meet another einerson, i'm most probably related to them. does anyone ever wonder why joni kept the name mitchell instead of going back to her birth "anderson"? alison e. in nyc who finds genealogy and name origin simply fascinating, and no, it's not just because i was raised by a pack of wild mormons, either! - --- Rob Ettridge wrote: > What about Magnus Magnusson? Emiliana Torrini? Or > have they not crossed > the pond? > > Rob Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:27:52 +0100 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Re: Icelandics SJC Magnus Magnusson used to present a TV quizshow called Mastermind and, pre-Bjork, was famous for being the only famous Icelander. Emiliana Torrini is only part Icelandic, hence her Italian sounding name. She's a female singer-songwriter, for lack of a better title, and not that disimilar to Bjork vocally, but more accessible music wise. Her album 'Love in a Time of Science' is rather good. The SJC bit is that she did a Joni cover, and it featured on one of Bob's Covers CD, but I forget which one and my CDs aren't to hand. Rob Alison wrote: >hmmm, i don't know who they are so i guess they >haven't crossed the pond into my consciousness yet. >who are they, rob? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:30:55 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: wit / peyote NJC - --- catman wrote: > > the above mentioned > > peyote use is also merely alleged. > > I have not come across this word before, peyote, > what does it mean? peyote refers to the bud or blossom of the peyote cactus. is a natural hallucinogenic or psychoactive that used to grow pretty much from texas to central mexico. it has been used for spiritual and ritualistic reasons by native cultures in those areas for thousands of years. it is still used by some for the same reasons, but because it is illegal here now, they have to fight for it or use it illegally in their ceremonies. it's also where natural mescaline comes from. alison e. in nyc and no, i've never done it. ;-) Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:51:23 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: wit NJC I opened this post thinking you were talking about the Emma Thompson movie. Which I saw part of last night. I cried like the proverbial baby. It's a good movie on HBO in America now, everyone should see it, especially if they never got a chance to see the play. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:50:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: iceland NJC one of my favorite places in the world is iceland!!!! i spent a whole january there a few years ago and the next year pearl and steve [where are you beautiful pearl?????] visited iceland too. it's a country out of this world, arguably the most advanced and at the same time most settled society in the planet. i could move to iceland like that! alison, according to icelandic laws your last name should have been your father's first name + ''dottir''. how would it have looked like? in iceland and other nordic countries last names almost always change from one generation to the next, so that one seldom has the same last name as one's parents had. wallyK, baking an apple pie [thanks for the recipe, epstein!] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Alison E Enviado el: Miircoles, 28 de Marzo de 2001 12:16 p.m. Para: Rob Ettridge; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Icelandics SJC side note, that makes me feel groovy... my great great grandfather was named einar magnusson. grandpa ollie became ollie einarsson here in the US, and the spelling was eventually bastardized down to einerson. so if you ever meet another einerson, i'm most probably related to them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:26:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Icelandics SJC <> She does a nice cover of "Chelsea Morning" from her CD "Merman". It's to be found on Volume 11, which seems like not so long ago and here I am working on #18! :~P Bob NP: Green Day, "Haushinka" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:00:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: more pissed offNJC Meow! Don't be catty! - --- catman wrote: > I understood there afew dogs on this list already! > meow > > "Harp@louislynch.com" wrote: > > > To Kate, Colin, and all your miscellaneous pets: > > > > Is this list going to the dogs or what? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 - --- catman wrote: > "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > > > I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I > did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway > on Friday, and this will never happen again from > me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come > back along with Bo > > JMDL Digest wrote: > > You did but don't worry about it. > Sally A. Bowers has a familiar ring to it. Is this a > pseudonym and borrowed from somene famous? Is it the > girl from cabaret? That was Sally Bowles, or Bowells (I don't know how it's spelled, but it sounds like the dish you eat cereal out of.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 - --- catman wrote: > "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > > > I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I > did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway > on Friday, and this will never happen again from > me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come > back along with Bo > > JMDL Digest wrote: > > You did but don't worry about it. > Sally A. Bowers has a familiar ring to it. Is this a > pseudonym and borrowed from somene famous? Is it the > girl from cabaret? That was Sally Bowles, or Bowells (I don't know how it's spelled, but it sounds like the dish you eat cereal out of.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:16:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Synchronicity~ Get Together (NJC) - --- asandstrom@macromedia.com wrote: > Yeah, and the time to REALLY worry is when the deja > vu ends and it all seems > new because you can't remember a damn thing :-) > Ha! You worry now... but you won't when it happens. (So why worry?) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz. - --- Richard Rice wrote: > What makes Jazz? Richard Thompson once said something to the effect of, "If you play one wrong note, it's a mistake. Play that same wrong note three times ... jazz." ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:10:31 -0700 From: "shane mattison" Subject: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." sitting with my morning java...i contemplate the prairie sun filtering through my den blinds, a prairie sun that knows no borders...so thoughts on "paprika plains" from my favourite joni album DJRD... favourite because it was a kind of creative peak... it had some of the polish of "hejira" but added an experimental edge, coupled with the romantic ravings of jaco taken just a little further...a wide variety of creativity here with links to all points of joni's creative career, there is stompin' beat, romantic rhapsody, social satire, symphonic composition, and the sublime acoustic reverie "silky veils of ardour" finale....the satisfaction of "paprika plains" covering the whole side of the LP, a piece that shares joni's canadian prairie identity...both of my parents were raised on sakatchewan farms and i spent many days there on tractor and combine... i know this heartland...and its glorious! Yes, there are no borders in the sense that the piece is similar to aron copeland....on the other hand, joni is referring in the above subject quote "they would have cleared the floor" to maidstone, saskatchewan, joni's home after being born in fort macleod, alberta,...moving to sask at age 3...so, let's admit it...this is canadian geography and topography we're talking about... these saskatchewan farmers would indeed have cleared the floor...calgary's 16"s of rain per annum would have seemed a luxury to them...because its a great composition it becomes universal and can just as easily be identified with in nebraska or kansas... but properly speaking we are dealing with saskatchewan...a prairie province of canada...where wheat is king...where joni's parents still reside...where she still returns "home" every year...where she took larry klein to share its stark landscape...and she sees don freed in between his musical journeys to the always present native communities...saskatchewan is joni mitchell and they can be proud that she is and will always be their accomplished daughter... shane mattison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: iceland NJC - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > one of my favorite places in the world is > iceland!!!! yes, i am hoping to visit there this year. anyone else with any great iceland tourism advice is welcome to flood me with it off list! > alison, according to icelandic laws your last name > should have been your > father's first name + ''dottir''. how would it have > looked like? my name would have been melvinsdottir, ha ha. or danielsdottir, if you count my real father, but i don't. (my dad's side is a mix of euro origins) alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:36:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "back in my home town, they would have cleared the floor just to watch the rain come down..." <> Great post, Shane...always great to hear a lyric interpretation from one who has lived it! Hope you continue with your take on some of Joni's work from that perspective! And speaking of Larry & the landscape, I finished watching the "Come In From the Cold" video this weekend, (many thanks to my good friend that shared it with me) and really enjoyed this part where she talks about she & Larry driving around, looking at and photographing the landscapes & barns, and superimposing their faces onto the pictures. Some of them were very haunting. I guess I'd never thought of Joni as the accomplished photographer she is, as if her talent can ONLY be limited to 1 or 2 genres. Thanks again for your words! Bob NP: Green Day, "Jackass" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: sugarcubes NJC - --- evian wrote: > Alison, who has good taste, wrote: thank you kind sir. we true believers in the indelible contribution of '80s music must stick together... unfortunatly though, this whole sugarcubes discussion forced me to go and order "life's too short" and "today, tomorrow..." on cd. i only had their stuff on tapes...thanks alot, evian! ;-) alison e. eating annie's mac & cheese for a week due to all these recent music purchases. > Oh man, I absolutely loved the Sugarcubes! Well, I > still do -- The > lyrics are so bizarre, because of the translation > (or whatever). I have > been hooked ever since I heard her growl "This is > hot meat/this is > metallic blood/this is hooooooot mmmmmmmmmmeeeeeat". > Evian Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:50:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #151 Rev Vince, I am so glad you are staying! Thank you for your wonderful contributions to this list! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:07:44 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: wit NJC Thanks for bringing this up Alison. I saw the last part of this show & it was amazing. (I didn't realize it was a play). Emma T. is an extraordinary actress. It was so honest & real to me as I was with my Mom when she passed away. I cried my eyes out too. (Gonna get my SC CD today!) "wit" on hbo tonight, a film adaptation of the stage play. it was a successful play, i don't know who else has here might have seen it. well let me tell you, if you want to know what an actor really is... it's emma thompson. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:18:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: offer withdrawn Now it's my turn to bitch: A few days ago I made an offer which in terms of time would have cost me at least 3 days and about $100. This was to donate a joni/jmdl sweater. This was no little hurried job. You would have had a quality, professional garment worth about $150. It doesn't bother me that you weren't interested. What bothers me is that not one person even bothered to reply. I wil now donate that time and money to the LAC for PRA research. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:28:09 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: ...long fall from grace Hi Ric: I also have a daughter who was excruciatingly embarrassed by my Joni obsession for years. well the other day she called me from college and said, "Mom, I can't believe I'm asking you this question but .... can you tape me some Joni!" What goes around comes around!! :-) sue (glad to be back on the list again!) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:32:00 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: Wally Breese Wow, thanks Vince for that beautiful tribute...synchronistically I was thinking of Wally this morning. A truly good and beautiful friend. I miss his phone calls very very much. God bless you Wally!!! I'm not sure what departure facilitated this because I've been out of touch for a while but thanks anyway. sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:47:09 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: more pissed offNJC hiiiiiiii - (slap slap slap) weeee aaarrrre heeeaaatherrrrs goooldfiiiish raaaaalph aaannnd laaaauren. weeee aaarrrrree geeettting the keeeeeybooooaaaard alllllll wet .... heeeeeee heeeeeee (slap, slap, slap) At 12:03 AM 3/28/01 +0100, catman wrote: >This was forwarded to me as I no longer live with those dogs! Praise be! >It was >anightmare. we couldn't come downstairs, we couldn't do anything. Those dogs >made our life hell. they'd eat our food, eat our poo, and they tried to >eat us! >It was fun when it was just Martha and haley but then Phoebe came along >and then >Brad and all of a sudden they got mean and nasty. Low down dirty mutts. so we >live a few doors away. heaven. > >Kate Bennett wrote: > > > Don't listen to that dumb dog. She is a pain in the you know what. She is > > ten times my size, what do you expect? I HAVE to stay up high on counters & > > couches & stuff, just to stay ALIVE! It isn't easy being a cat when you > have > > to live like this. I have been trying to send you all a message for weeks, > > but everytime I try, Kate just pushes me off the keyboard. Finally. > > > > Cleo > > > > ******************************************** > > Kate Bennett > > www.katebennett.com > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > ******************************************** > >-- >bw >colin > >colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk >http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:54:15 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: my long fall from grace... ohhh .. you are still a cool dad! anyone else get the old eyeball roll from family and friends when they know you are e-mailing about joni? heather At 06:03 PM 3/27/01 -0500, Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: >ok listers. i am writing this on the sly because if my newly 17 year old >daughter, rebecca, knew i was talking about her on this list she would make >me pay...but i thought this was a kind of funny story and this list could use >some levity. > >my willowy and lovely rebecca, a young woman now, has long endured my joni >obsession. riding in my car, the cd player is pretty much all joni, all the >time, and she has learned to groaning at my joni coffee mug from the both >sides now tour. while she knows of this list she, i'm quite sure, just >chalks it up to that side of her dad she would prefer to ignore. (she has >learned, by osmosis, the words to big yellow taxi, and can sing it with her >little sister to my never ending delight. but that's usually when she wants >money...) anyway, a short time ago, she approached me as i sat at the >computer, combing through my endless avalanche of email. "my god." she said. > "all that email is for YOU???" (the implication in her inflection being >fairly obvious, i thought...) "well, most of it is from my joni discussion >list, so it really isn't all for ME..." i explained. i could tell she was >intrigued. actually, baffled might be a more accurate word. "so all you >guys email each other back and forth about joni mitchell?" i won't even try >to describe the tone. many of you probably have teenagers, and most of you >probably WERE teenagers once upon a time...the rest of you can use your >imaginations. "no, no, no! we talk about all sorts of things! politics. >religion. sexuality. other kinds of music." i think i was starting to >sound desperate and i could tell she wasn't buying it. "look!" i said, >pointing. "see that? that means "no joni content" that's so the members >who don't want to read stuff that isn't about joni, can skip over those >posts! LOOK at them all!" > >"what's that mean?" she asked. "SOME joni content," i replied, starting to >feel embarrassed. sure enough, my explanation was given the dreaded >eye-roll. but she was still there. i figured that meant SOMEthing! "can i >read one?" she asked. > >i was amazed. sure! i said. and i moved out of the way so she could sit >down. she moved the mouse up and down the long list of posts, as i stood to >the side, wishing i'd subscribed to digest only. she selected a JC post. oh >oh. > >...now, allow me to interrupt this tale of woe to tell you something i am >sure MOST of you already know. i am a cool dad! in fact i was voted number >one by rebecca's very own peer group! it's true! maybe 7-10 teenage girls >who have known each other since kindergarten, and all of the respective >parents have come to know each other over the years. we frequently get >together during the summer months for barbeques and soft ball. well YOURS >TRULY was voted the "coolest father" by this group of girls in TWO >categories. all around cool AND best dressed! (i think it was the fact that >i owned alanis morrissette's "jagged little pill" before any of THEM had even >heard of her that put me over the top.) anyway, as i watched rebecca scan up >and down the list of posts, browsing through the subject lines, i knew what >there was more at stake than just her perception of this wacky list. my >coolness was at stake! > >well, you can guess the rest of this story. the post turned out to be >someone musing on joni's 70's permanent and how joni would never succumb to a >face lift, after all "happiness was the best facelift" and blah blah blah. >rebecca turned to give me a look that could peel the paint off the side of a >barn. "ok," she said in her most withery tone, "this is just weird." and she >pushed the keyboard away and walked into her room. after only one post! the >door closed without a word! > >"well, i think its weird too!" i called after her. but it was too late. i >wonder if she will ever look at me quite the same way again. > >"am i still the cool dad?" i asked, laughing it all away... > >no answer. > >screw it, i thought. "clean your room" > >what the hell? if i am condemned to a long fall from grace, (probably not >all that long!) the least i can do is make her clean her f-ing room. sigh. >what's the matter with kids these days? > >peace. ric > >ps. play nice listers! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:01:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: more pissed offNJC Heather wrote: > hiiiiiiii - (slap slap slap) > > weeee aaarrrre heeeaaatherrrrs goooldfiiiish raaaaalph aaannnd > laaaauren. weeee aaarrrrree geeettting the keeeeeybooooaaaard alllllll wet > .... heeeeeee heeeeeee > > (slap, slap, slap) > aaarrrggghhhh fish! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:42:51 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: offer withdrawn > A few days ago I made an offer which in terms of time would have cost me > at least 3 days and about $100. This was to donate a joni/jmdl sweater. > This was no little hurried job. You would have had a quality, > professional garment worth about $150. > It doesn't bother me that you weren't interested. What bothers me is > that not one person even bothered to reply. I read that offer and I thought it would be a generous contribution to the JMDL. However, I didn't think of replying as I don't have very little to contribute at this time though it sounded like a great gift for someone who felt like contributing some substantial amount. Most of the time I post things very few people ever respond with any kind of comment though I appreciate people who do. I can understand that you would have liked some kind of response. I recently posted the lyrics to a song that was inspired by the jonifest and Joni and I think only one person made any kind of comment so I can understand where you are coming from. But anyway, the JMDL is just not the top priority for me right now so it just didn't occur to me to respond at this time. I do think people would appreciate something like that very much though. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:22:17 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Falling from grace too NJC So far this is my secret place. NP On a Local Jazz Station. In France they Kiss Ete.Etc D Lahm - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:46:15 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Joni's Jazz When I heard "The man I Love" on our local jazz station. I went right out and Bought the HH CD and was slightly dissapointed Joni was not on every track, But at least she had two. I Agree with a lot of What Richard said in his post, But you can not Label Joni Doing Jazz songs as Jazz. I think of Joni's Music in the League of what Frank Lloyd Wright was in Architecture. Something so distinct that you can not Label it. A quality with out a name. NP Etta James, Some one to watch over me - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:56:43 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Falling from grace too NJC In a message dated 3/28/01 7:44:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, briansymes@Office.com writes: > So far this is my secret place. > > is it a place no amount of hurt and anger can deface? do you put things back together there? does it all fall right in place? i hope so. we all need, at least, one... with love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:05:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: offer withdrawn > I read that offer and I thought it would be a generous contribution to the > JMDL. However, I didn't think of replying as I don't have very little to > contribute at this time though it sounded like a great gift for someone who > felt like contributing some substantial amount. The idea was that it would be raffled or auctioned at the joni fest. No one would have to lay out anything but a small sum. Not a lot different to bringing a cake except this would have been substanially more time and effort and money on my part! The proceeds would have then gone to the cause, which I think was Jim's medical expenses. Anyway, it didn't appeal so it is rather a mute point now! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:07:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Falling from grace too NJC Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/01 7:44:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > briansymes@Office.com writes: > > > So far this is my secret place. > > > > > > is it a place no amount of hurt and anger can deface? > do you put things back together there? > does it all fall right in place? oh yes it is. we all have that place inside us. whatever happens, our self, our inner essence is always whole. We just don't usually understand that or feel that. The secret place is eternal. > > > i hope so. we all need, at least, one... with love, ric - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:10:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: more pissed offNJC yum, fish. here fishy fishy.. cleo the cat Heather wrote: > hiiiiiiii - (slap slap slap) > > weeee aaarrrre heeeaaatherrrrs goooldfiiiish raaaaalph aaannnd > laaaauren. weeee aaarrrrree geeettting the keeeeeybooooaaaard alllllll wet > .... heeeeeee heeeeeee > > (slap, slap, slap) > aaarrrggghhhh fish! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:43:06 -0500 From: "Sally A. Bowers" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 NJC It sounds like you have sour bowels!!! Mike In Boston Catherine McKay wrote: > > > --- catman wrote: > > "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > > > > > I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I > > did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway > > on Friday, and this will never happen again from > > me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come > > back along with Bo > > > JMDL Digest wrote: > > > > You did but don't worry about it. > > Sally A. Bowers has a familiar ring to it. Is this a > > pseudonym and borrowed from somene famous? Is it the > > girl from cabaret? > > That was Sally Bowles, or Bowells (I don't know how > it's spelled, but it sounds like the dish you eat > cereal out of.) > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #152 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?