From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #150 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 150 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BIMBO NJC [catman ] let me introduce myself [Jodcrazee@aol.com] Re: BIMBO NJC [catman ] Re: Fwd: dazed and confused NJC [Alison E ] Re: Julia Roberts and her dentist(njc) [catman ] JMDL goes on holiday [Les Irvin ] Re: Fwd: dazed and confused NJC [catman ] Re: Bette - NJC [catman ] Re: JMDL goes on holiday NJC [Mark Domyancich ] Re: clotted cream on strumpets NJC [Don Rowe ] Re: In my dweemz (NJC) ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] Anyone Going? ["Cooper, Michael" ] Re: Kasmir Klub - April 5th (NJC) ["Martin Giles" ] Joni's Jazz. [Richard Rice ] Re: Anyone Going? [Jerry Notaro ] more pissed offNJC ["Kate Bennett" ] more pissed offNJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni Art Influences. [Richard Rice ] more pissed off NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: more pissed offNJC [catman ] Re: more pissed off NJC [catman ] Re: more pissed offNJC [catman ] my long fall from grace... [Ricw1217@aol.com] paprika plains [Bruce Kimerer ] Even More Urgent [Emilia Bedelia ] Re: In my dweemz (NJC) [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: more pissed offNJC ["Harp@louislynch.com" ] RE: more pissed offNJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: more pissed offNJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: let me introduce myself [MGVal@aol.com] RE: Even More Urgent ["Deb Messling" ] RE: Joni's Jazz. ["Deb Messling" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 ["Sally A. Bowers" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:33:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: BIMBO NJC > Victor(my roomates and I are Seinfield/Simpsons/Friends junkies) > I like Friends tho i think they are all getting a bit old for it now! BETTE starts here next week. Am looking forward to that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:31:43 EST From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: let me introduce myself I e-mailed someone privately and she said I should have posted it to the group so I will. I told her how 'Hejira' was my first Joni studio album. Having worn out ' Miles of Aisles'- Complete with photograph of the place I saw her twice perform-PineKnob Clarkston, Michigan. I was 13 years old in 8th grade in 1980 and had no clue as to where to begin to collect Joni's albums. I chose 'Hejira' and I always thought that was why if I was ever forced to choose a favorite album it would be 'Hejira'- because that was really my introduction to her work. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the song and album poll and my favorite song "Amelia" was posted at the top along with 'Hejira'. I had grown alot and been through some of the things Joni sings about so when I got my first cd player and started collecting her music on cd I felt like I had discovered her all over again. Here is a cute little story. When her 13 yr. old daughter started isolating and listening to Joni Mitchell, my Mom was frantic. She went to my sister and said something had to be done. My sister said not to worry she would get me into Neil Young- well guess who my top favorite artists are?Here are some clues- they both come from Canada. They both were struck with polio and they share the same record company. Mother tried hard to 'get' Joni's lyrics but always got lost and wondered what she was missing. I gave my Mom and Dad a copy of BSN thinking Mother would relate better to that work. No feedback yet but Dad loves the cd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:33:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: BIMBO NJC Bambino is what i am used to hearing babies called, coming from a Spanish mother. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Fwd: dazed and confused NJC - --- catman wrote: > If anything, writing is far > more revealing. I only hope, > tho it will be a waste of time, that if posters > have children they don't speak > to them like they do us. > bw > colin i bet if posters had children, they'd be postcards! holy crap, i'm turning into muller! and catman, stay out of the sherry mid-day, darling! those animals have driven you past the point, as is clearly evidenced by said animals desperate pleas for help! ;-) alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:37:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Julia Roberts and her dentist(njc) > Victor > > ps. I think she is a great actress...We saw "The Mexican" last week and > thoroughly enjoyed it. She has a filthy laugh too! > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, > Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." > Victor Johnson - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:35:59 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Bette - NJC catman wrote: > > Victor(my roomates and I are Seinfield/Simpsons/Friends junkies) > > > > I like Friends tho i think they are all getting a bit old for it now! > > BETTE starts here next week. Am looking forward to that. Please don't get excited. I am a huge Bette Midler fan, but the show is really, really bad. Already canceled here in the States. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:39:29 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: JMDL goes on holiday Joniphiles - The JMDL is taking a day off... and not a moment too soon. :-) The gracious folks at SMOE, who host the list, are moving their servers to Boston (the International JoniFest Headquarters) from somewhere in Maryland this Thursday, March 29th. You will receive no mail from the JMDL on that day. Any posts sent to the JMDL will be queued and spit out all at once when the servers are back on line. The chat room and website (independent of SMOE) will continue to function as usual. Les - who knows that Bimbo Coles of the Cleveland Cavs is a TRUE Bimbo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:41:25 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Fwd: dazed and confused NJC > i bet if posters had children, they'd be postcards! groooan! > > > holy crap, i'm turning into muller! and catman, stay > out of the sherry ick! never touch the stuff. Or anyhting else for that matter. I am naturally crazy. > mid-day, darling! those animals have > driven you past the point, as is clearly evidenced by > said animals desperate pleas for help! ;-) Brad went to the vet today to have his willy looked at. He was very good once we prised his back legs apart. Had antibitoics squirted into his sheath. Didn't yell or squirm. Seems relieved. I also discovered that I have been worming my dogs with antibiotics! The pills look almost the same but not quite. Poor things. So in a couple of days, i will have to worm them with the right stuff! > > alison e. in nyc > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:41:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Bette - NJC I am sure I will love it! Jerry Notaro wrote: > catman wrote: > > > > Victor(my roomates and I are Seinfield/Simpsons/Friends junkies) > > > > > > > I like Friends tho i think they are all getting a bit old for it now! > > > > BETTE starts here next week. Am looking forward to that. > > Please don't get excited. I am a huge Bette Midler fan, but the show is > really, really bad. Already canceled here in the States. > > Jerry - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:59:02 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: JMDL goes on holiday NJC THANK GOD! This is just what we need so we don't have to delete every post that says *Joni and smoking. Get outside people, breathe clean air and throw stuff at the people who smoke. :) NP-Phish, 7/21/91-Cavern At 1:39 PM -0700 3/27/01, Les Irvin wrote: >Joniphiles - >The JMDL is taking a day off... and not a moment too soon. :-) > >The gracious folks at SMOE, who host the list, are moving their >servers to Boston (the International JoniFest Headquarters) from >somewhere in Maryland this Thursday, March 29th. > >You will receive no mail from the JMDL on that day. Any posts sent >to the JMDL will be queued and spit out all at once when the servers >are back on line. > >The chat room and website (independent of SMOE) will continue to >function as usual. >Les - who knows that Bimbo Coles of the Cleveland Cavs is a TRUE Bimbo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: clotted cream on strumpets NJC - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > ''give me two really > plump strumpets, the kind > you fill in with clotted cream'' This reminds me of one of my French faux pas. While learning the language in Junior High, and on exchange with a French family one summer ... I was asked if I'd like seconds after a particularly, but typically elaborate, French dinner. To which I replied: "Non merci, je suis plain." Which I took to mean "No thanks, I'm full." What I'd REALLY said was: "No thanks, I'm pregnant." Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:21:50 -0500 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Re: In my dweemz (NJC) Carlton and all, It was a pleasure to vote for your CD on the poll. Feel free to ask anytime! As I told you before, I think you have a wonderful voice. Sexy and very rich. Even though I was glad to vote for "Boys in the Sand" so it would help get you up there in the polls, it's not my favorite on your album (I've never been big on that Beach Boys type beat). I LOVE your song "Most of All." Great songwriting, great singing! Work on getting that one up to number one! Check out Carlton's CD everyone, it's way worth a listen!!! Regards, Harper Lou - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: In my dweemz (very little Joni content) > I want to thank all of you who helped me fulfill my dream of having the > number one CD, SALT WATER, and the number one track, BOYS ON THE SAND which > rode high on the charts for two weeks at www.Outvoice.com. This week my > songs and an interview with me will be broadcast on the program THIS WAY OUT > which is featured on 125 public radio programs, so thanks for helping me get > some recognition! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:24:52 -0500 From: "Cooper, Michael" Subject: Anyone Going? Hi, I'm taking a shot in the dark here. If anyone is going to this show tonight and walks away with a magnetic memory I'd love to get a copy!!!! Mike MAMAS AND PAPAS SALUTE PHILLIPS The two surviving members of the MAMAS AND THE PAPAS, MICHELLE PHILLIPS and DENNY DOHERTY, will headline a tribute concert to group leader and songwriter JOHN PHILLIPS, who died last week of heart failure. Three of Phillips' children, singer CHYNNA, singer/actress BIJOU and actress MACKENZIE, will also perform, as will special guests MIKE LOVE of the BEACH BOYS and SEAN LENNON. The tribute is set for the Roxy in Los Angeles tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:32:49 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Kasmir Klub - April 5th (NJC) Hi Jacky Thanks for the details. I was just thinking - there are tables downstairs in the Kashmir, which you can reserve, and eat at. If we booked one of those, we would be able to talk and eat beforehand, and we would then have a seat to enjoy the performance. Without a table downstairs, you have to stand, and sometimes can't see too well. What do you think? atb, Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Kasmir Klub - April 5th (NJC) > Hi everyone, > > Here are the arrangements for Thursday, April 5th. The Kasmir Klub is the > downstairs part of a restaurant known as the Baker and Oven or Fabrizio's at > 6 Nottingham Place, near the Baker Street tube station and a table is booked > for us in the name of Walls at around 7 pm. That will give us a chance to > have a chat before going downstairs for the live music which starts later. > There's a "no talking" rule once the music starts in case you haven't been > there before. The phone no. is 0207 224 2556 in case you need to phone for > directions or anything. > > See you there, > Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:18:56 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni's Jazz. What makes Jazz? Forgive my speaking with feint knowledge... Most of Joni's jazz is Joni singing with Jazz inflections. Or jazzer band members adding a flurish of jazz flurishes (sp?) to her music. Shrew, er, shrewd as she is, Joni recognizes how these bits and pieces help color and give character to the music. But she has often admitted herself, her jazz isn't true jazz. Certainly, jazz purists would balk at the idea of including her in the core camp. Why? From a performance stand point, jazz singing requires improvisation. It's a lively, spur of the moment, heart felt spin on the melody line to bring something fresh to the bar each time the song is sung. Joni has toyed with her melodic lines here and there, but not quite in the jazz spirit of Ella or Sarah. Mostly because her music demands the telling of a narrative, more than the grace of the melodic line. Nor did Joni have the 'chops' I think, to pull this sort of thing off. From a compositional stand point, traditional jazz music has chord progressions and resolutions particular to the idiom. Joni's chords never fit that bill, although they are similar because they are also wide, having lots of higher notes added above the bass note. Perhaps you well informed jazz players might jump in here and enlighten us scrubs with a Jazz Harmony 101 lesson. What the heck is up with those diminished 7ths and 13ths and whatever??? Paz? When Hissing of Summer Lawns came out, as striking as the music was, it was her new voice that reallllllllly floored me. Deeper, huskier and breathy, with a wonderful jazz inflection. Ignorant as I was, I mistook it for Jazz singing, but in reflection now, I see clearly it was not. Like jazz she is allowing her phrasing to come in on the bar with a great deal of freedom. It's off the rock beat entirely. Her jazz inflections and pitch are improved here with Centerpiece. Definitely more in tuned to the fabulous piano work behind her. Way to go, Mr. Sample. Blue Motel Room rocks my world to this day. Much as I like her doing jazz, but I prefer original Joni or anything. So to have a touch of both in one song....just heaven. Again, the chords aren't jazz chords. Just music "...with a jazz feel." By the time she added Cotton Ave. to her catalogue, I was thinking in my own mind, "Wouldn't an entire album of original Jazz material be nice from Joni?" -It seems Charles Mingus was thinking the same thing. Alas, as adventuresome as Mingus is, it fails as good jazz. Fails in the sense that the jazz idiom has so many brilliant, brilliant singers. If you want to strut in this ball park, it's best to change the underwear. Only goddesses walk in this camp and survive. In pitch, rhythm, intonation, you name it, Joni falls short. As she noted in interviews afterwards, -I'm paraphrasing here-... 'perhaps people were annoyed with a weariness in my voice.' Mingus lacks the snap and sparkle of voice that a real jazz singer like Ella would have brought to the table. It's beautiful music, for sure; very dense and rich with complexity. But hey, were talking Joni and Mingus here!!! Given both their natures, I actually think "Mingus" is rather tame with it's jazz tunes. I would love to here the tracks Joni did with the other bands before she settled on the album we got. Charles' original idea of having Joni distill T.S. Eliott poetry over a symphonic jazz track seems more the 'tough' material I would expect from the two of them. Mingus was not one to write piano music for the bar. "Order me a gin and tonic." And yet, the jazz songs recorded here are almost just that. Leave it to our Joan, brave soul that she is, to add a few tracks that have kick and bite to them in regard to being 'out of the norm.' 'God must be a Boogie Man' and 'The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey' certainly would make anyone go (!?!) on first listen. I may be wrong, but I think Joni has been determined ever since to prove her critics wrong as to ability to sing jazz. (As well as to prove it to herself.) I can't recall the tape tree it's on, but that early live performance of the Mingus material is proof of 'where she was' as a jazz singer. She stops and starts again, losing herself in the complex rhythm of the Dry Cleaner. Her pitch fails her here and there. It's verrrry awkward. (You should have seen the LOOK Rich gave me, -jazz purist that he is- the first time he overheard me playing this...) Joni's best jazz take? Easy. Hands down, her performance of 'The Man I Love" on Herbie Hancock's disk is absolutely brilliant, flashy, singing that is PURE, UNADULTERATED, AUTHENTIC jazz. When Rich heard that, he went "Wow. she really has improved. She's singing with feeling and passion in this song." And if his vote is not proof enough, I give you Herbie Hancock himself. I recall in an interview she mentioned him being floored when she recorded this track, asking her, I paraphrase again, "Where did you get this NEW voice?????" So there you have it. Joni. Jazz. Go no farther than "The Man I love." Close second, her pitch on SummerTime on the Day in the Garden disk is brilliant in spots. Hair standing on end brilliant. Unfortunately, by the end she's lost her voice a bit. Still, you can see in the smiles on her face on the video, she KNEW she was on. Rich still pokes fun at BSN from time to time. When I told him Joni was doing a jazz cd, he was expecting 9 or 10 tracks in a similar vein to "The Man I Love." Small, tight band, with her voice squarely in the foreground. I must admit, he's right from a jazz point of view, it would have made for a more original cd. One that might have put a disk of her's on the 'must' list of Jazz purists. O well.... them's the breaks. I still enjoy BSN, as I grew up loving the crooning style of Nat King Cole. BSN I would put more in a crooning class than a real jazzer class. Again, it's the improv that marks the difference. John. NP: pleading, begging, praying and more praying that Ashara stays with us. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:37:22 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Anyone Going? I'll bet Kakki will be there. Sad Jerry :-( "Cooper, Michael" wrote: > Hi, I'm taking a shot in the dark here. If anyone is going to this show > tonight and walks away with a magnetic memory I'd love to get a copy!!!! > > Mike > > MAMAS AND PAPAS SALUTE PHILLIPS > > The two surviving members of the MAMAS AND THE PAPAS, MICHELLE PHILLIPS and > DENNY DOHERTY, will headline a tribute concert to group leader and > songwriter JOHN PHILLIPS, who died last week of heart failure. Three of > Phillips' children, singer CHYNNA, singer/actress BIJOU and actress > MACKENZIE, will also perform, as will special guests MIKE LOVE of the BEACH > BOYS and SEAN LENNON. The tribute is set for the Roxy in Los Angeles > tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:20:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more pissed offNJC Don't listen to that dumb dog. She is a pain in the you know what. She is ten times my size, what do you expect? I HAVE to stay up high on counters & couches & stuff, just to stay ALIVE! It isn't easy being a cat when you have to live like this. I have been trying to send you all a message for weeks, but everytime I try, Kate just pushes me off the keyboard. Finally. Cleo ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:20:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more pissed offNJC Psst, Martha. its me, Luna, Kate's dog. She is away from her computer for now so I thought I would see how this thing works. I heard her laughing reading her email this morning, so I wanted to see what was so funny. It is kind of hard typing this cuz my toenails are getting kind of long...But I have to tell you... YOU think YOU have problems. I have never had ANY at all. Ever. Once there was this cute boxer that lived next door but they wouldn't let me do it with him. Then they took me to the vet and gave me an operation. At least you have the promise of someday, even if you have to wait til Christmas. I have nothing & I just don't care anymore. All I have is a dumb cat to play with who never wants to play with me. I get yelled at when I pounce on her & yelled at when I try & sleep on the couch. The cat is allowed to sleep on the couch and even sleep on the bed. But not me. She even gets to walk on the counter & the dining room table. I tried standing on the dining room table too once, but they even yelled at me for that. Martha wrote, >>>Men!!!!Here I am, maternal juices flowing, dressed to kill, leg a shaking and the bastard says not tonight! I have to wait for Xmas! Huh, like he will have to wait till Xmas. Girls, he just doesn;'t understand a woman's needs. I want BABIES. NOW! Any offers? I'll take anybody, really, no pedigree required. Just gimme some loving. Please? pretty please? oh **** you then! grr grr Martha-thinking of starting a politically correct left wing group for bitches who ain't getting it....<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:02:25 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni Art Influences. Just in case you were wondering what the Canadian government is doing with the hard earned cash of Canucks... check this out: http://www.virtualmuseum.ca. It's the new virtual museum of Canada. Available for your viewing at a whopping cost of 19 million dollars. (Of course, in real dollars, -U.S.- that comes to 16,422 dollars and 75 cents...) Obviously the canadian government is interested in doing something other than moving snow... 19 million dollars on a website...!! Anyway, the Joni content... in the image gallery, one can find the work of the Group of Seven. Take special note of the artist A.Y. Jackson. You can definitely see his influence on Joni's work. I guess Van Gogh was not alone in stimulating our Diva. John. Still offering my fabu chocolate pecan pie to any lister wishing to come and break bread in big time Dekalb, Il. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:23:52 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: more pissed off NJC Hey...I don't know what all these dogs have to complain about. My name is Ziggy and I'm a tiger striped cat. I follow my owner Laura to school every day and hang out in the bushes outside until she is done and then I follow her home. I never cause any trouble and always behave but the stupid principle keeps threatening to call the Animal Control to take me away. He says that I'm dangerous but I'm just an innocent cat and only want to play. This morning, he made my owner Laura walk home by herself after school had already started and take me home. It made her very upset. I thinks he is a complete IDIOT and I'm going to send a letter to the schoolboard. Meow....... Ziggy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:00:16 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: more pissed offNJC > YOU think YOU have problems. I have never had ANY at all. Ever. Once there > was this cute boxer that lived next door but they wouldn't let me do it with > him. Then they took me to the vet and gave me an operation. At least you > have the promise of someday, even if you have to wait til Christmas. I have > nothing & I just don't care anymore. you count yourdself lucky. I had it with Brad last October. It wasn't bad. I let him do it 3 times. BUT then I started to get fat, real fat, he went right off me, just l,ike a man. Anyway, then 9 weeks later I got theese terrible pains in my belly and it worse than needing to go poo poo. SIX babies came out. SIX! They wer quite cute but I tell you after a few weeks of thos buggers chomping on my tits, I had had enough! Thank God the butler feeds them now. > All I have is a dumb cat to play with > who never wants to play with me. I get yelled at when I pounce on her We had some cats living with us too. It was great fun when we allc hased them and made them spit. But the butler sent them away cos he didn't think it right that 8 dogs should play with the cats that way. > & > yelled at when I try & sleep on the couch. The cat is allowed to sleep on > the couch and even sleep on the bed. But not me. She even gets to walk on > the counter & the dining room table. I tried standing on the dining room > table too once, but they even yelled at me for that. We don't have a dining room table but we do get to sleep on the bed and on the couch. In fact we are allowed where ever we fancy. I like the bed best as long as the butler moves up a bit. At weekends the butler has the other butler sleeping in there too! Then I can't sleep on the pillows. What a life! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:04:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: more pissed off NJC > I thinks he is > a complete IDIOT me too. an even better idea is to wait till he gets in the bath and then jump in after him, claws out! > and I'm going to send a letter to the schoolboard. > > Meow....... > > Ziggy - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:03:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: more pissed offNJC This was forwarded to me as I no longer live with those dogs! Praise be! It was anightmare. we couldn't come downstairs, we couldn't do anything. Those dogs made our life hell. they'd eat our food, eat our poo, and they tried to eat us! It was fun when it was just Martha and haley but then Phoebe came along and then Brad and all of a sudden they got mean and nasty. Low down dirty mutts. so we live a few doors away. heaven. Kate Bennett wrote: > Don't listen to that dumb dog. She is a pain in the you know what. She is > ten times my size, what do you expect? I HAVE to stay up high on counters & > couches & stuff, just to stay ALIVE! It isn't easy being a cat when you have > to live like this. I have been trying to send you all a message for weeks, > but everytime I try, Kate just pushes me off the keyboard. Finally. > > Cleo > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:03:36 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: my long fall from grace... ok listers. i am writing this on the sly because if my newly 17 year old daughter, rebecca, knew i was talking about her on this list she would make me pay...but i thought this was a kind of funny story and this list could use some levity. my willowy and lovely rebecca, a young woman now, has long endured my joni obsession. riding in my car, the cd player is pretty much all joni, all the time, and she has learned to groaning at my joni coffee mug from the both sides now tour. while she knows of this list she, i'm quite sure, just chalks it up to that side of her dad she would prefer to ignore. (she has learned, by osmosis, the words to big yellow taxi, and can sing it with her little sister to my never ending delight. but that's usually when she wants money...) anyway, a short time ago, she approached me as i sat at the computer, combing through my endless avalanche of email. "my god." she said. "all that email is for YOU???" (the implication in her inflection being fairly obvious, i thought...) "well, most of it is from my joni discussion list, so it really isn't all for ME..." i explained. i could tell she was intrigued. actually, baffled might be a more accurate word. "so all you guys email each other back and forth about joni mitchell?" i won't even try to describe the tone. many of you probably have teenagers, and most of you probably WERE teenagers once upon a time...the rest of you can use your imaginations. "no, no, no! we talk about all sorts of things! politics. religion. sexuality. other kinds of music." i think i was starting to sound desperate and i could tell she wasn't buying it. "look!" i said, pointing. "see that? that means "no joni content" that's so the members who don't want to read stuff that isn't about joni, can skip over those posts! LOOK at them all!" "what's that mean?" she asked. "SOME joni content," i replied, starting to feel embarrassed. sure enough, my explanation was given the dreaded eye-roll. but she was still there. i figured that meant SOMEthing! "can i read one?" she asked. i was amazed. sure! i said. and i moved out of the way so she could sit down. she moved the mouse up and down the long list of posts, as i stood to the side, wishing i'd subscribed to digest only. she selected a JC post. oh oh. ...now, allow me to interrupt this tale of woe to tell you something i am sure MOST of you already know. i am a cool dad! in fact i was voted number one by rebecca's very own peer group! it's true! maybe 7-10 teenage girls who have known each other since kindergarten, and all of the respective parents have come to know each other over the years. we frequently get together during the summer months for barbeques and soft ball. well YOURS TRULY was voted the "coolest father" by this group of girls in TWO categories. all around cool AND best dressed! (i think it was the fact that i owned alanis morrissette's "jagged little pill" before any of THEM had even heard of her that put me over the top.) anyway, as i watched rebecca scan up and down the list of posts, browsing through the subject lines, i knew what there was more at stake than just her perception of this wacky list. my coolness was at stake! well, you can guess the rest of this story. the post turned out to be someone musing on joni's 70's permanent and how joni would never succumb to a face lift, after all "happiness was the best facelift" and blah blah blah. rebecca turned to give me a look that could peel the paint off the side of a barn. "ok," she said in her most withery tone, "this is just weird." and she pushed the keyboard away and walked into her room. after only one post! the door closed without a word! "well, i think its weird too!" i called after her. but it was too late. i wonder if she will ever look at me quite the same way again. "am i still the cool dad?" i asked, laughing it all away... no answer. screw it, i thought. "clean your room" what the hell? if i am condemned to a long fall from grace, (probably not all that long!) the least i can do is make her clean her f-ing room. sigh. what's the matter with kids these days? peace. ric ps. play nice listers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:27:49 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: paprika plains Thanks, Jim, for your reply. Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:21:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Paprika Plains, njc You suggested: "You'll like the unreleased version of "Judgment of the Moon And Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" then. If you can imagine an orchestration that sounds like Aaron Copland's "Rodeo", you won't be far off." Yes, exactly. PP makes me think of music like Copland's. It's a great sonic picture of the weather and sky and landscape of the prairie. Intensely American. How does one hear unreleased versions of JM songs? Bruce NP: Silence ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: Emilia Bedelia Subject: Even More Urgent Hello again! I'm very thankful for all of the information you all have given me! I still have a question or two for you though. Since I have to dress up and actually be Joni on Friday i was wondering if anyone has any advice or tips on how i should talk, carry myself, ect. Any tips or advice will be extremely helpful to me!!!!!!! Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:28:22 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Re: In my dweemz (NJC) In a message dated 3/27/01 9:19:40 PM, louislynch@paonline.com writes: << Carlton and all, It was a pleasure to vote for your CD on the poll. Feel free to ask anytime! As I told you before, I think you have a wonderful voice. Sexy and very rich. Even though I was glad to vote for "Boys in the Sand" so it would help get you up there in the polls, it's not my favorite on your album (I've never been big on that Beach Boys type beat). I LOVE your song "Most of All." Great songwriting, great singing! Work on getting that one up to number one! Check out Carlton's CD everyone, it's way worth a listen!!! Regards, Harper Lou - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Clark Carlton: Thanks, Lou! I forgot to tell you that you were in the dream, too, playing harp right behind the Three Tenors. Also present were the amazing Richard Isen on piano, Master Paz on the VG8 and the lovely Kate Bennet on acoustic guitar. Actually, I would love it if you had played harp on Boys on the Sand. The Beach Boys used the harp to good effect. I'm glad you like MOST OF ALL. I think it's also the best song I've written and that's why I saved it for last. Hi to everyone on the JMDL -- I have been too swamped with work to post lately, but I do read the digests and just want to encourage everyone to keep a civil tongue and take their disputes off the list. love always, Clark www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton (to hear free samples) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: In my dweemz (very little Joni content) > I want to thank all of you who helped me fulfill my dream of having the > number one CD, SALT WATER, and the number one track, BOYS ON THE SAND which > rode high on the charts for two weeks at www.Outvoice.com. This week my > songs and an interview with me will be broadcast on the program THIS WAY OUT > which is featured on 125 public radio programs, so thanks for helping me get > some recognition! - ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:19:40 - -0500 Received: from paonline.com (paonline.com [207.44.20.2]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:19:29 -0500 Received: from louislynch [216.220.171.212] by paonline.com (SMTPD32-6.05) id A3DF1D00CE; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c0b703$f1020440$d4abdcd8@louislynch> Reply-To: "Harp@louislynch.com" From: "Harp@louislynch.com" To: , References: Subject: Re: In my dweemz (NJC) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:21:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:35:22 -0500 From: "Harp@louislynch.com" Subject: Re: more pissed offNJC To Kate, Colin, and all your miscellaneous pets: Is this list going to the dogs or what? Regards, John aka Humpin' Johnny (Official Shetland Sheepdog of the Harper Lou Household) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: more pissed offNJC You are SO lucky. I used to be able to sleep on the bed once in awhile when I was small & cute That was before that guy moved in. Now I can't even sleep in the room anymore! But I climb up on the the leather couch when they all go to bed. The guy feeds me tri tip scraps sometimes when Kate isn't looking. So does that little girl who stays here sometimes. She feeds me lots of cool stuff- cheerios, crackers, cheese, peanut butter. I really like her. I am glad these people took a break from their computers. Gives us a chance to talk. Luna Martha wrote: "We don't have a dining room table but we do get to sleep on the bed and on the couch. In fact we are allowed where ever we fancy. I like the bed best as long as the butler moves up a bit. At weekends the butler has the other butler sleeping in there too! Then I can't sleep on the pillows." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:09:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: more pissed offNJC yes & thank goodness. those people have so many problems- they should just take more naps. cleo the cat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:47:32 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: let me introduce myself In a message dated 03/27/2001 12:50:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, Jodcrazee@aol.com writes: << e-mailed someone privately and she said I should have posted it to the group so I will >> Hey that someone was ME! And you guys think that I'm just an inner circle ramble rouster! Now if only my kids would take my advice as quickly to heart s J. O.D. here! Seriously, I'm glad that you've posted this to the list and thrilled that you have joined our incredibly diverse collection of people. If you keep your mind and heart open and flexible, the potential to form relationships with wonderful, magical people is vast. I know that I've been blessed by the people that I've grown to love here. (some of you know who you are, some of you don't - but the guessing anticipation is fun). Keep posting and coming back for more. Welcome! MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:49:46 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Even More Urgent The first thing you need to do is chain smoke, but your school may frown on that. A candy cigarette, perhaps? If you're adept with make-up, try to accentuate your cheekbones and paint a bigger mouth. How to talk? Nonstop! Joni is something of a stream-of-consciousness gabber, and her stories go all over creation before setttling in on a point. Take care with this approach, however, because ordinary mortals are boring when they ramble, and Joni is fascinating. So try to be fascinating. > Since I have to dress up and actually be Joni on Friday i was > wondering if anyone has any advice or tips on how i should talk, > carry myself, ect. Any tips or advice will be extremely helpful > to me!!!!!!! Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:54:17 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni's Jazz. I think we need to stop referring to BSN as a jazz CD. It won the grammy for best traditional pop vocal, and that's as good a description as any, and as traditional pop, it's breathtaking! IMO. > Rich still pokes fun at BSN from time to time. When I told him Joni was > doing a jazz cd, he was expecting 9 or 10 tracks in a similar vein to > "The Man I Love." Small, tight band, with her voice squarely in the > foreground. I must admit, he's right from a jazz point of view, it would > have made for a more original cd. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:03:35 -0500 (est) From: "Sally A. Bowers" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 I sure hope I did not send the whole Digest, if I did, I am sorry. Please, I am getting my new Gatway on Friday, and this will never happen again from me...ever! Who was it that "Rondstadt" had a come back along with Bo JMDL Digest wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 144 > > > > The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > > Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: > http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: one tin soldier rides away ["Louis Lynch" ] > Movie NJC [Vince Lavieri ] > Re: Movie NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] > Re: For The Roses ["Louis Lynch" ] > Joni's portfolio [evian ] > Re: For The Roses [Penny ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:34:06 -0500 > From: "Louis Lynch" > Subject: Re: one tin soldier rides away > > Nuriel, > > One of my favorite songs, recorded by a one-hit band called "Coven." It was > written by Dennis Lambert and Brian Potter. I have the original sheet music > from when it was a hit on the radio. > > Listen children to a story that was written long ago. > About a kingdom on a mountain and the valley far below. > On the mountain was a treasure buried deep beneath a stone. > And the valley people swore they'd have it for their very own. > > Chorus: > Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend > Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end > There won't be any trumpets blowing, come the Judgment Day > On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away > > Now the people of the valley sent a message up the hill > Asking for the buried treasure, tons of gold for which they'd kill > Came an answer from the kingdom, with our brothers we will share > All the riches of our mountain and the treasure buried there. > > Chorus > > Now the valley cried with anger, "Mount your horses, draw your swords!" > And they killed the mountain people, until they won their just reward > Soon they stood beside the treasure on the mountain dark and red, > Turned the stone and looked beneath it. "Peace on Earth" was all it said. > > Chorus. > > In case you want to play it, it's in straight 4-4, two chords per measure: > > Verse: > > F C | Dm F | > Bb F | Gm7 C7 | > F C | Dm F | > Bb F | Gm7 C7 | > > F Bb-F | (one measure turnaround to chorus...) > > F Am | Bb F | > F Am | Bb F | > F Am | Bb F | > F Bb | Bb ... | > > F Bb-F | (turnaround back to verse) > > Regards, > Harper Lou > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nuriel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:08 PM > Subject: one tin soldier rides away > > > > i was wondering - is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone > tell > > me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the > song's > > lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs > it? > > she sounds beyond breathless. can you tell me more? > > yours, > > nuriel > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:16:38 -0500 > From: Vince Lavieri > Subject: Movie NJC > > As far as the recent little email wars, please, let's quit it. I am the > moderator of a church online forum and I get enough bickering and > name-calling and sarcastic barbs on that. I come to the JMDL for a > happy community with mature people. > > Les told us to go out and get fresh air, so I went to the movies, where > the air was not fresh, but I finally got to see Pollack. Wait for the > video if you haven't seen it. Ed Harris was good and so was Marcia Gay > Harden, but the film somehow missed telling me what was really under > Pollack's talent and torment. > > Speaking of movies, I have my Oscar picks all made, but rather than > start bickering over who actually deserves to win and whether the Oscars > are a sham and all that, I will make these observations for films > released in 2000: > > one of the best movies that I ever saw: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, > although goodness knows we've argued about that and subtitles in here > > two movies to see that are splendid films: You Can Count on Me (an > excellent movie, well scripted and acted and very thought provoking > without ever being heavy) and O Brother, Where Art Thou. > > the movie I hope wins the big prize tomorrow: Erin Brockovitch. Hey, > its about legal assistants (which I am by day, the minsitry being for > the night and weekends) and even more, about legal assistants being > smarter than lawyers, and that won my heart! I normally cannot abide > Julia Roberts movies, but what an engrossing film and she was wonderful! > > As well, Traffic was also engrossing, although not as much fun, but > Benicio Del Toro was wonderful and that idea about the bunny heads at > the end of the movie could make smugglers of us all. > > biggest musical surprise: Emmylou Harris and Alison Krauss, with Gillian > Welch, doing the intoxicating (as it should be, the were the Odessey's > Sirens) song "Didn't Leave Nobody But the Baby" on O Brother Where Art > Thou. That song is mesmerizing, in the movie and just as much on the > cd. > > Movie that I knew would be confusing and was: Before Night Falls, since > Julian Schnabel makes confusing films, but Javier Bardem was astounding, > and got me really interested in reading Reinaldo Arenas's poetry, which > I did get some of from Amazon.com. For people who don't mind confusing > films, it is worth it. I defy anyone to pick out the second role that > Johnny Depp plays in Before Night Falls (I know but I was tipped off), > and I'd like to know which role Sean Penn played as I missed that one > entirely. > > movie that was the biggest disappointment: even more disappointing than > Castaway, was Chocolat with its gapping plot holes and garbled script > and utter predicatability throughout. The movie is lovely to look at > but it is like cotton candy, all sweetness but filled with nothing. > > Happy Oscar watching to those who watch, and happy nonOscar Day to those > who don't. > > (the Rev) Vince, remembering today Archbishop Oscar Romero of El > Salvador, who was martyred on this date in, I think, 1980 and I am going > to look that up now. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:11:01 EST > From: Relayer211@aol.com > Subject: Re: Movie NJC > > In a message dated 3/24/01 11:07:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > > << You Can Count on Me (an > excellent movie, well scripted and acted and very thought provoking > without ever being heavy) >> > > thank you for mentioning this excellent,beautiful movie.In addition to > it's very fine acting,It's one of those rare movies where the characters seem > like REAL people,not one dimenional stick figures only there to further the > lame plot. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:27:03 -0500 > From: "Louis Lynch" > Subject: Re: For The Roses > > Scott, Kakki and all... > > What IS going on here? > > Some posters got a little nasty with their words. It might have been > offensive, but we all have said offensive things now and again. For crying > out loud, even Joni herself has said offensive things -- and she has even > been known to call people names. Nonperfect people who aren't emotionally > dead sometimes get carried away and say some mean things. > > Earlier I posted a comment about the rude exchange -- basically that I think > people should be free to say whatever they want on this list, or anywhere. > Surely, if they offend people, they will hear about it soon enough. > > As soon as I wrote that, I received a private e-mail from Kakki, which I > would not describe as polite. I responded that I didn't understand where > she was coming from -- I hadn't called anybody names. > > Now Scott tells us that she has left the list with "customary grace." > > Actually, Scott, your long post sounds like a "customary guilt trip." > > I'm sorry if Kakki feels compelled to leave because she didn't like the > exchange between two people on the list. I didn't care for the exchange > myself, but I have a Delete key on my computer. > > If Kakki was upset with the exchange, she could have expressed her concerns > to them directly. She certainly didn't hesitate expressing her disapproval > of my fairly benign reaction to the exchange. > > I find the majority of posts on this list entertaining and informative. I > have enjoyed reading many of Kakki's posts. > > And I certainly would hope that she also realizes that the camaraderie and > news available on this list has too much value to throw away, just because > she sees an occasional comment she doesn't like. It's not a perfect world > out there. But I have found this list to be a GOOD thing. And the people > on the list are GOOD people. > > I don't think anybody on this list has ever "skewered" Kakki or anyone else. > In fact, from my experience, virtually everyone on the list holds her and > her opinions in most high regard. > > You imply that she's leaving the list because it's not "a place to be proud > of." Scott, that's not the truth and I reject it thoroughly. > > Occasionally things go wrong between people. And, occasionally we are going > to read things we don't like on the list. > > If Kakki feels that occasional disputes or e-mailed offenses are too > overwhelming to remain a part of the list, many people will miss her. If > her e-mails have all been flawlessly polite and sensitive and her dedication > to the list has been as pure as what Scott claims, then we have lost a vital > member of the community. > > But, it is Kakki's decision to lose the community, not the community's > decision to lose Kakki! > > Hope to hear from you again soon Kakki, > > Harper Lou > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Price" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:44 PM > Subject: For The Roses > > > > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits > and > > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You > > have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a > > glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her > > art. Kindred spirits who "get her." > > > > You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will > > be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a > > while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. > > > > A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is > > spoken. Life is good! > > > > You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. > Checking > > for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in > > so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" > > has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, > > eventually you're going to take some heat. > > > > But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open > > and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if > > you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much > > to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of > > the community. > > > > Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is > > kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And > > you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the > > right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so > > that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" > > Joni encounters. > > > > Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal > > attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go > > forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack > > of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What > > did you do to deserve this? > > > > I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. > > But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament > > that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so > much. > > You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. > > > > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left > > this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without > > fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm > > writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her > > elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list > > should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you > > exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and > > insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a > > place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact > > others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on > > someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. > > > > What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the > > ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to > the > > music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of > > time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how > > much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass > > will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: > baby, > > this one's for you. > > > > Scott > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:22:21 -0600 > From: evian > Subject: Joni's portfolio > > > I hold nothing against Geffen for not promoting this material. > > What possible way could one package these to a mass market audience in > > love with main stream, feel good pap? Do you really think 4 out of 10 > > average music buyers is going to listen to Wolf in Lindsey and think, > > "Coool. Let's get that album for tonight's party!" based on promotion? > > It may have drawn the curious enlightened few, but Joni's music doesn't > > 'fit' the general norm people buy and play music: as feel good listening > > entertainment, to dance to, as atmosphere at a party, or to make love > > to. She's too heavy, too off the beat, to verbose and cerebral, and too > > cynical for general consumption. > > > This is certainly true and right on the mark for Mingus, but I think > that CMIARS and NRN were seriously undermarketed -- CMIARS, in > particular, could have been huge -- had all the right pop hooks, the > gazillion guest artists, etc. However, the label basically left it > there to rot, where it could have shot up the charts. Same thing for > NRN, especially with the recent "come back" of Bonnie Raitt, Rondstadt, > etc. But again, the label chose to throw millions into the latest Cher > album, and spent a bundle on videos of Cher prancing around with her > arse hanging out all over the place. Admittedly, I get really tired of > the Joni "I make no money and the industry is out to get me" stories, > but with those two albums, she's more than justified. > Evian > np: FTR (been listening to this all day, haven't played it for > months... doesn't get any better than this) > ps -- Just finished watching Almost Famous -- what a frigging awesome > movie! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:58:38 -0800 (PST) > From: Penny > Subject: Re: For The Roses > > Thanks for the sad news, Scott. Very well written, but I truly doubt the > ones that need to, can or will hear. > > Kakki, may I suggest something? Lurk or be a "winger", if that latest > term catches on, and then send your wonderful posts to your long list of > list friends who don't go out of their way to reply with digs, mocking, > blanket (mis)characterizations of entire groups of people(s), baiting or > just a springboard for yet another tired rant. Sure, the list proper loses > because they've lost you, but you'll still have an outlet to share your > love of Joni, general music appreciation and vast knowledge with many, > while at the same time being spared the stress of feeling you have to > respond to crap list posts directed your way. BTW, don't blame you a bit > for calling it quits - but make sure I'm on your "send to" list! ;-) > I've always appreciated your thoughtful and well expressed posts! > > > Take care, > Penny > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2001 #144 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #150 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?