From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 146 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: For The Roses (njc) [catman ] the oscars (njc) [Robert Holliston ] Re: Kakki [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Costello and von Otter (Small Joni content) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: the oscars (njc) ["hell" ] Re: For The Roses (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re:Amelia [Jodcrazee@aol.com] Re: Amelia [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jazz [christopher blake ] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: How sad. [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's Jazz [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) [Jerry Notaro ] Art gallery NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) ["louis.lynch" ] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) ["louis.lynch" ] Re: How sad. [mags ] how sad njc ["joe farrell" ] Kakki (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] RE: How sad. ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Lesson in Survival ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Dinner with Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem [jan gyn ] Re: For The Roses [Catherine McKay ] Re: How sad. [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's Jazz [Catherine McKay ] For The Roses ["Kate Bennett" ] cheer up! NJC [catman ] David Crosby on Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] dinner with joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's Jazz [christopher blake ] Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) [AsharaJM@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:18:01 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: For The Roses (njc) I don't know what happened to that Kakki felt she wanted to leave us. I have read thru the archives of the last two weeks and haven't seen a fight between her and anyone else. It is sad that she made this decision. However, it was her decision and to blame others for it is nothing but manipulation. Not hat I have seen Kakiki do this but I haver ead a few mails now where people are patronizing others and blaming them for Kakki's decisoon. this is not true and not fair. We are all adults and we make our own choices. It is up to us how we react to something. No one 'majes' us do or feel anything. Our thinking is and consequent reaction is our oen personal responsibilty. I hope Kakki will be back. She was here when i first arrived almost 4 years ago. She is part of this community. I look forward to seeing her post again and I am sure she will. Others handing out blame will not help the situation. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 02:16:46 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: the oscars (njc) Hi to everybody! Well, we go through this every year - the Oscars! Steve Martin was as good a host as anyone who isn't Billy Cristal could be, but imho he didn't have Billy's genius for diverting us from the basic boringness of the ceremony. We needed a Cher, or at least a Geena Davis!! My favorite moments were: - - the unexpected win of Marcia Gay Harden, a great actress in a great performance - - Dino DiLaurentis admonishing the big studios to trust young talent - - Tom Hanks expertly playing along with Steve Martin - - Steven Soderberg winning Best Director for Traffic - - Julia's speech (OK, I'm a big Julia Roberts fan - she's a genuine actress as well as a genuine movie star) - - the radiant and oh-so-classy Julie Andrews, looking spectacular at 65, and the unbelievably beautiful Catherine Zeta-Jones dressed simply in black - - Kevin Spacey's mention of Dame Judi Dench My least favorite moments were: - - when Kenneth Lonergan didn't get Best Screenplay for You Can Count On Me - - when Gladiator won Best Picture over Traffic This year, because of work, I had to tape the Oscar show and watch it later. This enabled me to fast-forward through the ads, some of the speeches, and the performance of Bjork, whose appeal eludes me. That's my Oscar report (see You Can Count On Me, that's all I have to say about that.) love to all. Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:56:21 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Kakki I have a ton of unread mail so I don't know the background but I'm sad to hear that Kakki is leaving. I won't forget her kindness to me and little thnigs that she dosen't even remember, like welcome back notes after I had been silent for a long time. The list won't be the same. Wait a minute - who's going to defend the Tom Scott years now ? Sorry Kakki, you can't leave. Us FTR folks need you. Looking forward to your next post Kakki. BTW when are you coming over to visit Tory ? . Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:57:24 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Costello and von Otter (Small Joni content) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Sadly no Joni tracks on the album although only 18 of the 27 recorded tracks made it. Perhaps there is an unreleased Joni item in there = wishful thinking? > I heard Elvis on his radio show saying that they considered doing a Joni tune but in a way I'm glad they didn't. To me Otter sounds sterile and overbearing. Her misreading of Kate McGarrigle's Go Leave.is almost laughable. It's a quiet heartbroken kind of song but Otter gives it a Shirley Bassey treatment. What was Elvis thinking. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:17:56 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: the oscars (njc) Roberto wrote: > Hi to everybody! > Well, we go through this every year - the Oscars! > Steve Martin was as good a host as anyone who isn't Billy Cristal could > be, but imho he didn't have Billy's genius for diverting us from the > basic boringness of the ceremony. > We needed a Cher, or at least a Geena Davis!! I've just watched the delayed coverage - no real surprises, although I did think Ang Lee might win best Director. But I guess when you've got two nominations, you've got a better chance! The best (and somewhat emotional) moment for me was hearing Russell Crowe (now you know what a "kiwi" accent is!) dedicate his award to his grandfather, and his uncle, David William Crowe. I knew Dave well - he was President of my cricket club for years - and I've never met a nicer, more generous man - he always had time for a chat. His funeral last year was testament to the great respect he received - the large hall at the Auckland Cricket Association was overflowing with people wishing to pay their respects. His ashes were scattered on our club cricket grounds, where I go at least twice a week over summer, and a bench has been erected in his memory, overlooking the grounds. I'm sure he was watching, and is immensely proud of his nephew's achievements. On a lighter note, I thought Steve Martin was great - I prefer him to Billy Crystal anyway - and I loved Julia's speech. Although I thought she might have mentioned Erin Brokovich! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: For The Roses (NJC) Harper Lou asks: > What IS going on here? I'm wondering the same thing. Friends of spirit ... I have so much to say but I'm readying myself for a great first day at a new job and so have just this to say to everyone, most especially doubters ... THERE IS NO INNER CIRCLE, THERE IS NO INNER CIRCLE, THERE IS NO INNER CIRCLE!!! There are list members who have the resources to travel a bit and who have be able to meet each other and (on a few occasions) Joni, too. Some have gone the extra mile to open their homes to us, which is kind and generous enough in a *normal* situation where one can meet others face-to-face beforehand. We have been so blessed here. Let's not be petty and jealous and spiteful and screw things up, or even screw up anyone's day. Please. Lori near DC ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:40:14 EST From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: Re:Amelia call me ignorant but what does the IMHO before "Amelia" stand for? I know I am going to kick myself ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:46:19 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Amelia In a message dated 3/26/01 7:45:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jodcrazee@aol.com writes: << call me ignorant but what does the IMHO before "Amelia" stand for? I know I am going to kick myself >> Internet acronym for In MY Humble Opinion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 05:20:13 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz - --- Garret wrote: > In the tradition of "top five lists (but why limit > it to five", i have a > question: > What are your favourite jazz or jazz-y Joni > tracks??? > and why? > GARRET > > NP- God Must be a Boogie Man (from S&L) hi garret...here goes: 5. dry cleaner from des moine 4. god must be a boogie man 3. twisted 2. goodbye pork pie hat 1. furry sings the blues i chose 'furry' no. 1 because of the lyrics and because of its "billie holiday" blues/jazz quality. have an awesome day. christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:25:12 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) J-Lo's dress was in fact the two highest points of the entire evening although you had to watch the pre-show to get this one. Put it this way she saves alot of money on bras and thin (very thin) material also means that the dress probably will be worn out by next years ceremony. She give s a very distracting interview when you can see the entire dress. Ashley Judds dress was really cool but her hairdo unfortunately got ruined when she went through a car wash with the top down on the way to the show.. Julia Roberts did an absolutely great impersonation of a bimbo. What an actress. Oh was that her actual personality? If thats the case then it means the rumors about her talking snifs out of whip cream cans in the supermarket that morning were true. It was really nice also for Bob Dylan to suprise me two ways. First of all anyone who can get out of an iron lung to perform a song gets a big prop from me. Secondly that song has to be maybe #475 out of Bobs 500 best songs but somehow he wins an award for this one. Whats up with that. Third his speech was really amazing. he sounded cogent, intelligent, and prepared, humble, thankful and likeable. OK, what have they done to Bob. While Im on the subject of music, does anyone know when Randy Newman was embalmed. Yo, Rand, its ok to move the UPPER lip too while you sing. Lastly I thought the field of candidates was really weak this year. I wonder if that fact has anything to do with the fact that 10 major theatre companies have recently filed for bankruptcy (true fact no joke). When pieces of cinematic garbage like Hannibal are not roundly condemned by the industry itself in the name of "art" then its no wonder they are turning off potential film goers. I saw an old film critic interviewed last night and he provided an amazing statistic. In 1965 (the year Sound of Music was the top Film) 45 million people went once a WEEK to the theatres. By 1969 (Midnight Cowboy) 17 million. Seems the "new" film makers didnt like the idea that films should be uplifting and entertainment. They felt the "new objective in film art" was to shock. Hmmmm. Today, 27% of the population never, I repeat, never, go to the movies. Survey after survey says the same thing, too much bad language, too much sex, too much violence, and too much propaganda. It was interesting that the first film I have seen in awhile was Enemy at the Gates. Of course Hollywood just couldnt prevent itself from taking a perfectly good idea like two snipers in a warzone hunting each other down and mutate it into a "love" story with of course the obligatory screw scene. Only this time they screw in between two snoring old stinky men in a room filled with about a hundred old stinky men including one having a cigarette at the end of the room in an underground rat invested cavern. How romantic. Got to see her ass though. As Maurice Chevalier would say "But of course" They have all this incredible expertise and technology to make technically incredible films but they inflict suck-o predictable stories and politically correct crapola on the public time after time thinking that a little T&A and some special effects will make up for that.With 10 theatre chain companies going bankrupt you would think they would comprehend that they need to change. Maybe if they spent their time thinking up uplifting story plots instead of films like Hannibal they wouldnt have to worry about where their films are going to be shown in the future. The Oscar night used to be like the superbowl of the film industry. Today it is a self congratulatory reward night for those who play ball with the industry clique. I have never seen a weaker field ever for the top candidates in almost every category. I kept thinking about how many great stories from new writers the insiders must have tried to extort the credit from in exchange for allowing them into the club. Just like the in music business. With the candidates so weak in all the categories.that can be the only answer. Thats my take. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:25:42 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: How sad. mags wrote: > > feeling a bit speechless on this one... there has been just so much sad news > on my doorstep lately, I dont know what to say. I know I do need to say > something...oh Kakki, know I will miss you, one of our Ladies of the > Canyon, take good care of yourself and know that the door is always open. > Both Brian and I hope you will come back. You have our support and love. > Always.... Me, too, Kakki. How could you leave ? If the list has brought you pain, remember all the good you do for many members who have looked to you judgment and sense of fair play over the years. It just won't ever be the same........ Sad Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:45:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz <> I'll take a stab at it as well...good question Garrett! #1. Sweet Sucker Dance - features her best pure singing to date. #2. Trouble Man (Kyle Eastwood's 'From There to Here') - it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing, and Joni swings on this one! #3. Summertime (Herbie Hancock's 'Gershwin's World) - Again, for the singing and the luscious instrumentation. If only BSN had begun to approach the quality of this one... #4. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey - A very haunting song, it stops me in my tracks every time and I have to listen to it more than once. It still amazes me that Marian can play this one dead on! #5. Harry's House/Centerpiece - Again, an intriguing song. The way she weaves Centerpiece into the tapestry of the lyric is genius...HOSL flows so seamlessly it's almost hard to pick out one track. Only 5!?! Damn! I can't mention anything from the also-seamless Court & Spark, or Paprika Plains, or Barangrill, or Harlem in Havana...I take it back, Garrett...this is a TORMENTING question! ;~) Bob NP: Golden Smog, "Radio King" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:57:45 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) I read this right before going into Boston with my mom: > Julia Roberts did an absolutely great impersonation of a bimbo. What an > actress. Oh was that her actual personality? If thats the case then it > means > the rumors about her talking snifs out of whip cream cans in the > supermarket > that morning were true. > Of course, this was only only one small bit of the sniping that this post consisted of, and reminds me of an age-old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Yes, I have a delete button, but unfortunately, I read every post that comes through before I excercise that option. I feel it so unnecccesary to call people names like this. In the deep sadness I have had in the past few days, I am wondering where the beautiful community that was the JMDL has gone. Kakki, move over and make room. I very well may be next. Sadly, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:58:52 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) For those who get a chance to see it, see YiYi. An incredible Chinese movie making its way across the country in limited release. Would have gotten much more attention if it hadn't been for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 06:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: RE: *Joni and smoking - --- patrick leader wrote: > ashara, i think you're right, joni didn't smoke at > that show. i think she > did at the msg theater show i saw a couple of days > earlier. > > in the 98 fall tour, she always smoked during 'comes > love'. made an event > out of it. > > patrick, still remembering the joy of seeing joni > from the second row. > probably because i'm a dancer, i'm very twitchy and > movey even while sitting > listening to music. when joni looked down and saw > me bopping in my seat to > 'sometimes i'm happy', she gave me the biggest > smile, and smiled my way a > couple more times. i even think she forgave me for > flirting with that > cellist on the right... > > what a magnificent evening. > > np - handel - l'allegro, il penseroso ed il > moderato. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > >AsharaJM@aol.com > >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:34 PM > >To: nymets69_2001@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > > > > > >Christopher wrote: > > > >> my joni BSN show was the oakdale theater in > >> wallingford, ct (anyone else?). no sight of joni > >> smoking and i was close to her - so close... :) > >> > > > >I was in the second row center in CT with many of > my JMDL buddies > >including > >our dear Kenny, may he rest in peace, and I seem to > remember saying to > >Patrick that it was amazing that she didn't smoke > at all through the whole > >thing!! (Patrick, am I remembering that right, or > is old age > >quickly seeping > >through?) Anyway, too bad we didn't know you then, > Christopher! You could > >have joined us for a great evening of dinner and > show!! :-) > > > >Hugs, > >Ashara > > > hi patrick, you mentioned the cellist at the wallingford BSN show. i am acquainted with the bass player for the HSO. perhaps i may be of service? - - have an awesome day! christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:15:32 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Art gallery NJC I went to New Hope, PA yesterday to take some photos and browse around a bit. I came across this Art Gallery called "Gallery of Stars." They had paintings and signed Lithographs by famous musicians like John Lennon, Tony Bennett, Jerry Garcia, David Bowie, Tony Curtis and Bob Dylan to name a few. I thought some of you would be interested in their website. www.imagemakersart.com They were sure interested in Joni's art. The director is a huge Joni fan. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:47:56 -0500 From: "louis.lynch" Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) Ashara, With all due respects, Marcel was writing about the Oscars in jest. He has written humorous "reviews" like this before, and I personally find them entertaining. Let's face it, even the Associated Press referred to Julia Roberts' behavior as "giddy." I don't understand this recent epidemic of hypersensitivity -- perhaps Venus retrograde is affecting people. If people are going to threaten to quit the list at the slightest hint of wit, parody, sarcasm, criticism, belligerence, political opinions, disappointment, upset or even stupid little outbursts of anger, then I guess I have no choice but to threaten to quit this list! Considering that we are orbiting around the creative presence of one of the most outspoken, critical, and sometimes downright negative songwriters ever to be recorded, I find this ironic... Joni Mitchell has one of the cruelest tongues in the industry. We all profess to respect Joni's writing. We laud her for saying what needs to be said, for being free to express herself, for having the chutzpah to put "kiss my ass" in her lyrics. But now we start to criticize members of our own JMDL community for being outspoken?????? I'm sorry to see Kakki leave the list too. However, I have yet to understand what offense was so awful that it compelled her to leave. Now Ashara has hinted at leaving because of Marcel's tongue-in-cheek reference to Julia Roberts' decidedly bimboesque performance. Kakki obviously was aware that her leaving would upset people. Ashara, you KNOW that your leaving would virtually destroy the energy of this list. Why? Perhaps we could add a guideline that outright personal attacks on other listers won't be tolerated. But, other than that, people need to be free to express themselves. Or this will need to become the (Politically Correct) Kathy Lee Gifford Discussion List. Disappointedly, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:08:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: Cat Stevens (NJC) - --- pyramus@lineone.net wrote: >The general consensus amongst > Cat fans is that he peaked round about Tea for the > Tillerman in 1970. The follow up Teaser & The > Firecat is also highly regarded by Cat fans although > personally my favourite is Mona Bone Jakon. Catch > Bull at Four which followed in 1972 was probably his > last great album. Count me among those whose preferences are "Tea" and "Teaser". "MBJ" has some good stuff and some of the individual songs on "Catch Bull" are great, IMO, but after that, I think he kinda faded out. "Foreigner" has some good stuff, but I can't listen to it too often. I used to be madly in love with Cat Stevens, but lately, on listening again, (apart from "Tea" and "Teaser"), I have to wonder why - what I thought was love, was just a crush. Whereas my love for Joni grows deeper every day. (Ah, but it's a mature love!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:17:12 -0500 From: "louis.lynch" Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) Ashara, With all due respects, Marcel was writing about the Oscars in jest. He has written humorous "reviews" like this before, and I personally find them entertaining. Let's face it, even the Associated Press referred to Julia Roberts' behavior as "giddy." I don't understand this recent epidemic of hypersensitivity -- perhaps Venus retrograde is affecting people. If people are going to threaten to quit the list at the slightest hint of wit, parody, sarcasm, criticism, belligerence, political opinions, disappointment, upset or even stupid little outbursts of anger, then I guess I have no choice but to threaten to quit this list! Considering that we are orbiting around the creative presence of one of the most outspoken, critical, and sometimes downright negative songwriters ever to be recorded, I find this ironic... Joni Mitchell has one of the cruelest tongues in the industry. We all profess to respect Joni's writing. We laud her for saying what needs to be said, for being free to express herself, for having the chutzpah to put "kiss my ass" in her lyrics. But now we start to criticize members of our own JMDL community for being outspoken?????? I'm sorry to see Kakki leave the list too. However, I have yet to understand what offense was so awful that it compelled her to leave. Now Ashara has hinted at leaving because of Marcel's tongue-in-cheek reference to Julia Roberts' decidedly bimboesque performance. Kakki obviously was aware that her leaving would upset people. Ashara, you KNOW that your leaving would virtually destroy the energy of this list. Why? Perhaps we could add a guideline that outright personal attacks on other listers won't be tolerated. But, other than that, people need to be free to express themselves. Or this will need to become the (Politically Correct) Kathy Lee Gifford Discussion List. Disappointedly, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:22:04 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) "louis.lynch" wrote: > Ashara, > > With all due respects, Marcel was writing about the Oscars in jest. He has written humorous "reviews" like this before, and I personally find them entertaining. Let's face it, even the Associated Press referred to Julia Roberts' behavior as "giddy." Maybe you don't see the difference between giddy and bimbo, but one is definitely sexist and insulting. To "review" a woman who has reached the pinnacle of power in Hollywood, a "man's" town for sure, is to reduce the significance of her achievements. Does Marcel have the right to? Of course. Does he also put himself in a position of critical comment? Of course. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:23:06 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) I must agree with Harper Lou here. There is big difference between insulting listmembers and taking jabs at celebrities. There has been some meanspritedness recently directed towards some people on this list which I find unacceptable but this is merely one person's review of an entertainment event and not directed at anyone. There's been some nasty incidents in the past from which we have survived but I think for the most part, they are few and far between, and if my memory serves me correctly, were rarely instigated by anyone who has been a regular contributor to the list. Perhaps everybody should listen to this song below, from "Fullingness' First Finale". Smile Please A smiling face is on earth like a star A frown can't bring out the beauty that you are Love within and you'll begin smiling... They're brighter days ahead Don't mess your face up with bitter tears 'Cause life is gonna be what it is It's okay, please don't delay from smiling... They're brighter days ahead. Bum Bum bum di ti bum Bum bum di ti bum Bum bum di ti bum di ti Bum Bum bum di ti bum Bum bum di ti bum Bum bum di ti bum A smiling face you don't have to see 'Cause it's as joyful as a Christmas tree Love within and you'll begin smiling... They're brighter days ahead Love's not competing it's on your side You're in life's picture so why must you cry So for a friend please begin to smile- Please They're brighter days ahead. music and lyrics by Stevie Wonder Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:33:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) "louis.lynch" wrote: > Ashara, > > With all due respects, Marcel was writing about the Oscars in jest. He has written humorous "reviews" like this before, and I personally find them entertaining. Let's face it, even the Associated Press referred to Julia Roberts' behavior as "giddy." > > I don't understand this recent epidemic of hypersensitivity -- perhaps Venus retrograde is affecting people. I don't like the way this was written either. i can't see the humour. I have never enjoyed humour that relies on putting people down. However, i would not say it should not be written. As I can see, some people do enjoy it. It takes all sorts. As for people getting upset enough about it to want to leave, I am surprised but we should consider that the goings on in our personal lives can effect the way we perceive something. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni books At 8:39 PM -0600 3/23/01, kerry wrote: > >This may have been discussed before, but I was > checking out Amazon's Joni > >stuff and they listed 2 books: "Joni Mitchell > Complete", vols. 1 & 2, due to > >be published this month. Is this just an updated > version of "Complete Poems > >& Lyrics?" > - --- Mark Domyancich wrote:> > This is two book guitar anthology. More info can be > found at: > http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/songbooks.cfm > I noticed the "complete" vols 1 & 2 as well and e-mailed Amazon for more info. unfortunately they weren't able to provide much - they just provide what the publisher gives to them which, in this case, was very little. I wanted to know whether this was reprints of previously released music books that I already have - vol 1 contains the songs from the first 3 (STAS, Clouds, LOTC); vol 2 has the next 3 (Blue, FTR, C&S). They couldn't tell me. i was hoping for something that truly was COMPLETE. Durn, I want something with Hejira and so on (but let's face it, most of these books contain few, if any, real Joni-tunings and you can get these through the jmdl website in any case). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:59:17 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: How sad. Catherine Udall Turley wrote: > < excuse for thoughtlessness or a lack of restraint. > > I don't know the particulars of what's up with Kakki, and I agree that > it was her personal decision to leave, but when someone who has been so > generous both with the larger community and with dozens of individual > listers, someone who, IMO, has been as fair and accepting and balanced > as anybody else on the list--when somebody like her just can't take it > anymore, then I'd say its not her problem alone. > > I'm profoundly sorry she has gone. Feels like someone leeched the light > out of the room.>>> and now me: > Thank you for this most insightful post Catherine. I feel that the > situation which has been and continues to brew is definitely our > collective problem. I ask all of you, is it not our responsibility as > members of this warm, loving, caring community to sit up and take notice > that there IS something we can do? This whole thing can be perceived as a > great big wake up call, an opportunity to effect change before the walls > come tumbling down around us. Yes, people do make their own decisions to > leave, but the question at the end of the day is why? A great big > resounding why? > Perhaps now is not time to be in our heads by trying to analyze this from > a rational thinking place, but rather, from the tender place deep inside > our hearts. In my heart, I know that many, many people here love our dear > Kakki, our sister and our friend. We will miss her terribly. > Now that Ashara is feeling the way she is, well what are we going to do > about it? Imagine Ashara leaving too. It is with great pain and sadness > that I contemplate that possibility. I know I am not going to sit back > and say nothing and just let that happen. No way. Mags, really struggling with this situation this morning. - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:09:59 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: how sad njc I am saddened to read of Kakki's decision to leave the list. I respect her decision to do so but i will miss reading her insightful and interesting mails. A valuable contribution by a generous and thoughtful person will be lost to us by her leaving. Hope she reconsiders. Take care Kakki, best to you for the future, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:36:24 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Kakki (NJC) I know nothing is permanent, and perhaps there is especially little permanence in internet communities such as this. Some of the people on the list that I have felt closest to, Sherrie Good, Duane Kaschak (sp?), Bob Hanna and Ken Corral have all decided to leave before now. I still miss them all. Major gaps in my life have been filled by the camaraderie, friendship, openness and vivacity of the people on this list, particularly in the LA Joni community, and particularly by Kakki, our ultimate den mother, with her unstoppable energy. This list will be a lesser place without her. I send her my love and respect, and all best wishes. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:45:11 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: How sad. Thinking about the number of people who I've seen write anything contentious of late lead me to do some bistro maths. I came to the following conclusion:- For each person who writes something that causes someone about think of leaving the list, there's probably something like a hundred other people who would rather that particular someone *didn't* leave. I hope that this can be viewed as a positive motivating factor for people to stay. OK, so the numbers aren't exact, but the orders of magnitude are. Please stay, folks. Please. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:53:16 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Do you own Wyclef's The Carnival? IMO One of the best hip-hop, rap, rock albums in the past ten years. If you like Ecleftic, you will love this album. A masterpiece! >From: IVPAUL42@aol.com >Reply-To: IVPAUL42@aol.com >To: MGVal@aol.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:27:50 EST > >In a message dated 3/24/01 6:20:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com >writes: > ><< That's one thing that makes me feel sad about today's young market >music. >I > don't see anything that's out there that inspires kids to keep on the > headphones, study the lyrics and find a beacon in the darkness. But then > again, I don't know the words to ALL of the Brittany Spears songs. (:-D > >> > >You're wasting time on Britney, MG, but you oughta try out Wyclef Jean's >"Ecleftic" CD. >My younger fiancee turned me on to him and after several listens I'm >finding >there is some genius in his lyrics. "Perfect Gentleman," "Diallo" and >several >others. Even an interesting cover of Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here." >My 8-year-old son now even asks to listen to Ecleftic instead of N'Sync! > >Paul I _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:05:44 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz In a message dated 3/26/01 8:52:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << #3. Summertime (Herbie Hancock's 'Gershwin's World) - Again, for the singing and the luscious instrumentation. If only BSN had begun to approach the quality of this one... >> Having heard several other recently released versions of "Summertime," including Peter Gabriel and others (not just comparing to the old Janis Joplin cover), as well as Joni's while driving with my son on our Spring Break trip last week, I have to say that I think Joni's version is lifeless. Considering what a great job she does on "Trouble Man" and some of her other more recent covers in that vein, I was very disapointed in her "Summertime." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem I too, am glad to see Dylan win -- and was frankly amazed at the grace and lucidity of his acceptance speech. And is it just me, or did Bob look REMARKABLY like Vincent Price last night? Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:50:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Dinner with Joni Rick wrote: She has a table for six -- you are one of the guests, who would be the other four and why? By the way, Joni is picking up the check... My husband, my son, her daughter, & a date of her choice. Afterwards we would go play music. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:33:28 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem At 10:07 AM 3/26/01 -0800, Don Rowe wrote: >I too, am glad to see Dylan win -- and was frankly >amazed at the grace and lucidity of his acceptance >speech. >And is it just me, or did Bob look REMARKABLY like >Vincent Price last night? >Don Rowe I was thinking Casper Weinberger. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:19:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For The Roses Scott, that was eloquently written, and Kakki, if you're reading, I hope you don't stay away. You are a valuable part of this list and it would not be the same without you. Be well. - --- Scott Price wrote: > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You > sift through the hits and > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com > and JMDL-dot-com. .... > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list > that Kakki has left > this "community." She departed with her customary > grace and without > fanfare. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: How sad. - --- Catherine Udall Turley wrote: > Quite awhile ago (a couple years, maybe) JulieZWebb, > who hosted one of > the first in-person Joni fests, posted a long > insightful account of the > psychological logistics of hosting a list > get-together. How there were > egos to be negotiated and list squabbles to remember > and sort out, > people to keep separated, etc. At the time I read > that post, I was > fairly new to the list and thought it sounded overly > complicated and > pessimistic. Now that I've hung around long enough, > I think she was > right on the money. The list can be a fantastic > place to be, and it can > also be quite complicated and perilous. And thats > not a problem unique > to this list-- it is part of the cyber beast Not just part of the cyber beast, darlin'! It's part of being family! The last time our family tried negotiating Christmas, it was fraught with peril! And we *know* each other! (ha!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:31:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < tracks??? and why?>> > > I'll take a stab at it as well...good question > Garrett! > > #1. Sweet Sucker Dance - features her best pure > singing to date. etc. A while back, the question came up: what is folk? Now I need to ask, What is jazz? esp. as relates to Joni? Where does jazz begin? Where does it end? You could say everything on "Mingus" is jazz. But what about the rest of it? To me, "Hissing" is jazz. Most of it. Maybe all of it. But why? Sages of jazz, answer me do. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:25:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: For The Roses all i can say is me too. wally wrote >>>kakki dearest,i am so sad to hear that you have decided to leave the list. i respect your decision but i can't help feeling extremely sorry that i won't be enjoying your intelligence and humor anymore. your absence will be felt, i can assure you. couldn't you possibly reconsider your decision?<<<.******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:03:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: cheer up! NJC Tech Support calls "You" for help. Someone at work tells you a joke and you say LOL When someone says "What did you say?" you reply "Scroll up!" You have to get a second phone line just so you can call Domino's You have to be pried from your computer with the Jaws-of-Life You have a vanity car tag with your screen name on it You no longer type with proper punctuation, capitalization, or complete sentences . You begin to say heh heh heh instead of laughing You know more about your online friends daily routines than you do your own family's. You lie to others about your time online and when they complain You keep begging your friends to get an account so "we can hang out" You meet people from the Internet in public and have no idea what their real name is, so you call them by their screen name That your phone was busy you claim it was off the hook You have an identity crisis if someone else is using an s/n close to your own You would rather tell people your bloodshot eyes are from partying too much instead of the truth (all night online) You marry your cyber boyfriend and you both sit at your own computers and chat to each other every night from across the room You type messages to people while you are on the phone with them at the same time You won't work at a job that doesn't have a modem involved You sign on and immediately get 10 messages from people who have you on their buddy lists You look at an annoying person off-line and wish you had your ignore button handy You have withdrawals if you are away from the puter for more than a few hours You use Internet lingo in everyday life (if you still have one...hehehe) Your buddy list has over 100 people on it You wake up in the morning and the first thing you do is get on-line before you have your first cup of coffee You wait 6 hours online for a certain "special" person to sign on You don't know where the time has gone You end sentences with three (or more) periods while writing letters in pen/pencil. Your relationship online has gone farther than any real one you have had You get up at 2am to go the bathroom but go turn on your computer instead You don't even notice anymore when someone has a typo When you enter a room and 23 people greet you with {{{Hugs}}} or ***Kisses*** You stop typing whole words and use things like ppl, dunno and lemme Your voicemail/answering machine message is "BRB, leave your s/n and I will TTYL" You type faster than you think Being called a newbie is a *MAJOR* insult You are on the phone for a min. and need to do something else you say "BRB" or "BBL" You spend at least 30 minutes making sure you say good-bye to everyone in a chat room - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:57:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: David Crosby on Joni Another Joni quote by David Crosby from a recent show: >>>He also joked about how he doesn't normally play other people's songs "because of his huge ego" but that there were some artists that were better than him and "I hate to break it to you guys, but one of them is a girl" and then played Joni's Real Good For Free.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:59:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: dinner with joni I forgot to mention, on my dinner with joni, although i don't smoke anymore, i think i would bum one of her american spirits & have a smoke with her after dinner! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > < > tracks??? and why?>> > > > > I'll take a stab at it as well...good question > > Garrett! > > > > #1. Sweet Sucker Dance - features her best pure > > singing to date. > > etc. > > A while back, the question came up: what is folk? > Now I need to ask, What is jazz? esp. as relates to > Joni? Where does jazz begin? Where does it end? > You > could say everything on "Mingus" is jazz. But what > about the rest of it? To me, "Hissing" is jazz. > Most > of it. Maybe all of it. But why? Sages of jazz, > answer me do. > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca hi catherine. some friends of mine studied at berkeley school of music in boston. the school was loaded with jazz players and fanatics all of whom seemed troubled by my definition of jazz: rock with mistakes. peace to ya - christopher. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:05:22 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Oscar Night Post Mortem (md) Harper Lou wrote: <> First of all, it wasn't a threat. I wrote writing my feelings from the heart, which is the only place I know to write from. And those feelings certainly were not from "the slighest hint" of anything. It is from being on this list for many, many years, and seeing many, many posts from people just being plain mean. I am tired. Tired of reading them, tired of the feeling in my gut when I read someone being unkind. <> Again, my feelings stem from many previous posts over many years, not from one post from one person. This is the second time someone has refered to Julia Roberts in this fashion. I agree with Jerry who said: << Maybe you don't see the difference between giddy and bimbo, but one is definitely sexist and insulting. >> Colin said: <> Maybe I am just a very sensitive soul. I also cannot abide these kind of "jokes." We wonder why children shoot their peers at places like Columbine. If everyone would be more embracing to each other, and more accepting of all that we bring to this world, maybe, just maybe, it would be a better place to live in. I'm sure some people here may think I am a "Pollyanna", or another Kathy Lee, but frankly, I'd rather align with those two women than someone who needs to put others down for whatever reason. Victor wrote: <> I disagree. Insults are insults no matter who they are aimed at. Meanspiritedness is the same no matter what language or package it comes in. I am all for free speech, and I certainly honor Les's decision to make this an unmoderated list. I simply stated that I missed the JMDL community I have grown to know and love, and I am so tired, so very tired of the petty wars, and unkind comments no matter who they are aimed at. We have had many discussions and disagreements in the past without being nasty. We are all capable of expressing our feelings without putting people down. For me, it is the preferred way. I realize that for many of you, it isn't. I honor that. I choose to be in a different space. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #146 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?