From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 144 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: one tin soldier rides away ["Louis Lynch" ] Movie NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Movie NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: For The Roses ["Louis Lynch" ] Joni's portfolio [evian ] Re: For The Roses [Penny ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:34:06 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: one tin soldier rides away Nuriel, One of my favorite songs, recorded by a one-hit band called "Coven." It was written by Dennis Lambert and Brian Potter. I have the original sheet music from when it was a hit on the radio. Listen children to a story that was written long ago. About a kingdom on a mountain and the valley far below. On the mountain was a treasure buried deep beneath a stone. And the valley people swore they'd have it for their very own. Chorus: Go ahead and hate your neighbor, go ahead and cheat a friend Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end There won't be any trumpets blowing, come the Judgment Day On the bloody morning after, one tin soldier rides away Now the people of the valley sent a message up the hill Asking for the buried treasure, tons of gold for which they'd kill Came an answer from the kingdom, with our brothers we will share All the riches of our mountain and the treasure buried there. Chorus Now the valley cried with anger, "Mount your horses, draw your swords!" And they killed the mountain people, until they won their just reward Soon they stood beside the treasure on the mountain dark and red, Turned the stone and looked beneath it. "Peace on Earth" was all it said. Chorus. In case you want to play it, it's in straight 4-4, two chords per measure: Verse: F C | Dm F | Bb F | Gm7 C7 | F C | Dm F | Bb F | Gm7 C7 | F Bb-F | (one measure turnaround to chorus...) F Am | Bb F | F Am | Bb F | F Am | Bb F | F Bb | Bb ... | F Bb-F | (turnaround back to verse) Regards, Harper Lou - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: one tin soldier rides away > i was wondering - is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone tell > me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the song's > lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs it? > she sounds beyond breathless. can you tell me more? > yours, > nuriel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:16:38 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Movie NJC As far as the recent little email wars, please, let's quit it. I am the moderator of a church online forum and I get enough bickering and name-calling and sarcastic barbs on that. I come to the JMDL for a happy community with mature people. Les told us to go out and get fresh air, so I went to the movies, where the air was not fresh, but I finally got to see Pollack. Wait for the video if you haven't seen it. Ed Harris was good and so was Marcia Gay Harden, but the film somehow missed telling me what was really under Pollack's talent and torment. Speaking of movies, I have my Oscar picks all made, but rather than start bickering over who actually deserves to win and whether the Oscars are a sham and all that, I will make these observations for films released in 2000: one of the best movies that I ever saw: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, although goodness knows we've argued about that and subtitles in here two movies to see that are splendid films: You Can Count on Me (an excellent movie, well scripted and acted and very thought provoking without ever being heavy) and O Brother, Where Art Thou. the movie I hope wins the big prize tomorrow: Erin Brockovitch. Hey, its about legal assistants (which I am by day, the minsitry being for the night and weekends) and even more, about legal assistants being smarter than lawyers, and that won my heart! I normally cannot abide Julia Roberts movies, but what an engrossing film and she was wonderful! As well, Traffic was also engrossing, although not as much fun, but Benicio Del Toro was wonderful and that idea about the bunny heads at the end of the movie could make smugglers of us all. biggest musical surprise: Emmylou Harris and Alison Krauss, with Gillian Welch, doing the intoxicating (as it should be, the were the Odessey's Sirens) song "Didn't Leave Nobody But the Baby" on O Brother Where Art Thou. That song is mesmerizing, in the movie and just as much on the cd. Movie that I knew would be confusing and was: Before Night Falls, since Julian Schnabel makes confusing films, but Javier Bardem was astounding, and got me really interested in reading Reinaldo Arenas's poetry, which I did get some of from Amazon.com. For people who don't mind confusing films, it is worth it. I defy anyone to pick out the second role that Johnny Depp plays in Before Night Falls (I know but I was tipped off), and I'd like to know which role Sean Penn played as I missed that one entirely. movie that was the biggest disappointment: even more disappointing than Castaway, was Chocolat with its gapping plot holes and garbled script and utter predicatability throughout. The movie is lovely to look at but it is like cotton candy, all sweetness but filled with nothing. Happy Oscar watching to those who watch, and happy nonOscar Day to those who don't. (the Rev) Vince, remembering today Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, who was martyred on this date in, I think, 1980 and I am going to look that up now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:11:01 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Movie NJC In a message dated 3/24/01 11:07:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << You Can Count on Me (an excellent movie, well scripted and acted and very thought provoking without ever being heavy) >> thank you for mentioning this excellent,beautiful movie.In addition to it's very fine acting,It's one of those rare movies where the characters seem like REAL people,not one dimenional stick figures only there to further the lame plot. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:27:03 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: For The Roses Scott, Kakki and all... What IS going on here? Some posters got a little nasty with their words. It might have been offensive, but we all have said offensive things now and again. For crying out loud, even Joni herself has said offensive things -- and she has even been known to call people names. Nonperfect people who aren't emotionally dead sometimes get carried away and say some mean things. Earlier I posted a comment about the rude exchange -- basically that I think people should be free to say whatever they want on this list, or anywhere. Surely, if they offend people, they will hear about it soon enough. As soon as I wrote that, I received a private e-mail from Kakki, which I would not describe as polite. I responded that I didn't understand where she was coming from -- I hadn't called anybody names. Now Scott tells us that she has left the list with "customary grace." Actually, Scott, your long post sounds like a "customary guilt trip." I'm sorry if Kakki feels compelled to leave because she didn't like the exchange between two people on the list. I didn't care for the exchange myself, but I have a Delete key on my computer. If Kakki was upset with the exchange, she could have expressed her concerns to them directly. She certainly didn't hesitate expressing her disapproval of my fairly benign reaction to the exchange. I find the majority of posts on this list entertaining and informative. I have enjoyed reading many of Kakki's posts. And I certainly would hope that she also realizes that the camaraderie and news available on this list has too much value to throw away, just because she sees an occasional comment she doesn't like. It's not a perfect world out there. But I have found this list to be a GOOD thing. And the people on the list are GOOD people. I don't think anybody on this list has ever "skewered" Kakki or anyone else. In fact, from my experience, virtually everyone on the list holds her and her opinions in most high regard. You imply that she's leaving the list because it's not "a place to be proud of." Scott, that's not the truth and I reject it thoroughly. Occasionally things go wrong between people. And, occasionally we are going to read things we don't like on the list. If Kakki feels that occasional disputes or e-mailed offenses are too overwhelming to remain a part of the list, many people will miss her. If her e-mails have all been flawlessly polite and sensitive and her dedication to the list has been as pure as what Scott claims, then we have lost a vital member of the community. But, it is Kakki's decision to lose the community, not the community's decision to lose Kakki! Hope to hear from you again soon Kakki, Harper Lou - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Price" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: For The Roses > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits and > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You > have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a > glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her > art. Kindred spirits who "get her." > > You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will > be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a > while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. > > A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is > spoken. Life is good! > > You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. Checking > for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in > so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" > has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, > eventually you're going to take some heat. > > But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open > and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if > you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much > to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of > the community. > > Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is > kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And > you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the > right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so > that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" > Joni encounters. > > Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal > attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go > forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack > of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What > did you do to deserve this? > > I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. > But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament > that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so much. > You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. > > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left > this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without > fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm > writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her > elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list > should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you > exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and > insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a > place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact > others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on > someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. > > What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the > ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to the > music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of > time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how > much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass > will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: baby, > this one's for you. > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:22:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: Joni's portfolio > I hold nothing against Geffen for not promoting this material. > What possible way could one package these to a mass market audience in > love with main stream, feel good pap? Do you really think 4 out of 10 > average music buyers is going to listen to Wolf in Lindsey and think, > "Coool. Let's get that album for tonight's party!" based on promotion? > It may have drawn the curious enlightened few, but Joni's music doesn't > 'fit' the general norm people buy and play music: as feel good listening > entertainment, to dance to, as atmosphere at a party, or to make love > to. She's too heavy, too off the beat, to verbose and cerebral, and too > cynical for general consumption. > This is certainly true and right on the mark for Mingus, but I think that CMIARS and NRN were seriously undermarketed -- CMIARS, in particular, could have been huge -- had all the right pop hooks, the gazillion guest artists, etc. However, the label basically left it there to rot, where it could have shot up the charts. Same thing for NRN, especially with the recent "come back" of Bonnie Raitt, Rondstadt, etc. But again, the label chose to throw millions into the latest Cher album, and spent a bundle on videos of Cher prancing around with her arse hanging out all over the place. Admittedly, I get really tired of the Joni "I make no money and the industry is out to get me" stories, but with those two albums, she's more than justified. Evian np: FTR (been listening to this all day, haven't played it for months... doesn't get any better than this) ps -- Just finished watching Almost Famous -- what a frigging awesome movie! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:58:38 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: For The Roses Thanks for the sad news, Scott. Very well written, but I truly doubt the ones that need to, can or will hear. Kakki, may I suggest something? Lurk or be a "winger", if that latest term catches on, and then send your wonderful posts to your long list of list friends who don't go out of their way to reply with digs, mocking, blanket (mis)characterizations of entire groups of people(s), baiting or just a springboard for yet another tired rant. Sure, the list proper loses because they've lost you, but you'll still have an outlet to share your love of Joni, general music appreciation and vast knowledge with many, while at the same time being spared the stress of feeling you have to respond to crap list posts directed your way. BTW, don't blame you a bit for calling it quits - but make sure I'm on your "send to" list! ;-) I've always appreciated your thoughtful and well expressed posts! Take care, Penny Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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