From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #143 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 143 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Lesson in Survival [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni's Portfolio. [Richard Rice ] Not Lurkers (was 'Insiders' jab) - NJC [susan+rick ] David Mead (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Joni's Jazz ["Garret" ] Re: Lesson in Survival [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Lesson in Survival [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Songbird (NJC) [catman ] jonifest fundraiser [catman ] David Geffen SJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: Lesson in Survival NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Good news. (was Re: Bad News...) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: one tin soldier rides away [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Urgent [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Lesson in Survival [Kammass@aol.com] RE: Urgent ["Garret" ] For Emilia ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Lesson in Survival NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: hammond plays waits NJC [BarBearUh ] Re: Urgent [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: New Music Alert NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] costello and von otter njc ["joe farrell" ] Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni BSN LA Smoking. [FWSCHNAUZERMOM@aol.com] whisper's of furry ["BRIAN SYMES" ] For The Roses [Scott Price ] Re: For The Roses ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Lesson in Survival ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: For The Roses [Michael Paz ] Joni and Los Angeles Magazine [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:45:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Cassy, What a beautiful, beautiful post!! Thank you so much for sharing it with us! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:42:10 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni's Portfolio. Hi All, Private as it is, I really like this thread about just how much Joni is making, or not making from her music. I guess I take her at her word when she says the money owed the record company for production has rarely been recouped from sales. Of course, everything is relative. Considering the cost of living the life she lives... Bel Air home, apartment in New York. What is eeking out profitsfor her would put me on Boardwalk, with a lot of stach left over. Those of you who are in the know about the music industry, please carry on with this thread. This is fascinating stuff. Would it not be fair to say that Joni did make profits with Blue, For the Roses, Court and Spark and Hissing of Summer Lawns? Lawns sold resonably well if I recall, in spite of the bad reviews. I can easily see how DJRD would not recoup the cost of making the record. It probably had to have one of the highest studio production costs of anything she put out; and none of the songs got any air play. The big money losers had to have been Mingus and Dog Eat Dog. Especially Mingus. Cosider the quality of players who performed with her. Consider as well that the record was recorded several times with different bands. The buying public replied to all this with a resounding lack of interest. Jazz purists, small market as they are, hated the record. And for the general public, this disk might as well have been music from Mars. I hold nothing against Geffen for not promoting this material. What possible way could one package these to a mass market audience in love with main stream, feel good pap? Do you really think 4 out of 10 average music buyers is going to listen to Wolf in Lindsey and think, "Coool. Let's get that album for tonight's party!" based on promotion? It may have drawn the curious enlightened few, but Joni's music doesn't 'fit' the general norm people buy and play music: as feel good listening entertainment, to dance to, as atmosphere at a party, or to make love to. She's too heavy, too off the beat, to verbose and cerebral, and too cynical for general consumption. Admit it gang, we're weird. Wonderfully enlightened, but weird. As for her paintings. Profits here are another story. The painting arts, when you have your act together at least, has a huge, huge magin between the cost of production (time and supplies) and the worth of the product. Considering it costs no more than 300 dollars to produce one of her largest paintings, and the fact that she can command prices in the 20 grand plus range, I'd say Joni is doing quite alright on the painting front regarding profit. Even if she does have to split the profits with her agent. I understand the music videos around the time of Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm were financed by an exhibit in Japan that sold well? The exhibit she had in Saskatoon is worth over a million dollars in market value. Perhaps Joan is more shrew that we give her credit. Perhaps all those recordings all these years were ploys to up the value of her painting catalogue??? John, not Rich. NP: Spring!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:11:07 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Not Lurkers (was 'Insiders' jab) - NJC On 3/24/01 5:56 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote > << I think we should search the JM lyrics for a suitable synonym >> > Well Brett, the obvious one to me would be the phrase from "People's Parties": > "Some are watching it from the wings" How about Wingers (left or right, it matters not). Then you could be "in the wings" or "watching from the wings." The term lurker has always been slightly distasteful to me too. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:23:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: David Mead (NJC) Hey Everybody- Is anyone hip to David Mead? While I was hanging with Jonatha last week we got to talking about what was on our hot lists and she mentioned this guy and likes him very much. I remembered this conversation this morning while I was slumbering and listening to the boys waking up from their short slumber. I went and checked out his web site and listened to a couple of tunes, but had trouble with most of the songs and one video there. If anyone is a David fan, could you possibly suggest which album is best to start with?? Thanks! Michael NP-Murder By Numbers-Sting w/Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:56:15 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni's Jazz In the tradition of "top five lists (but why limit it to five", i have a question: What are your favourite jazz or jazz-y Joni tracks??? and why? GARRET NP- God Must be a Boogie Man (from S&L) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:04:40 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/01 11:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: << I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. >> Cassy, that was far from being boring. I thank you for sharing such a beautiful story. You mentioned "Down to You" as one of the songs that motivated you to get on with life. I played that song quite a bit yesterday. After several months dealing with the separation from my ex, I just found out from the veterinarian neurologist that my little yorkie has GME (Granulomatous Meningoencephalitis). She has lesions on the cerebral part of her brain, which cause her to lose her balance. The cause is unknown, and it is terminal. I am putting her on high doses of steroids to help her out, but at least the doctor has assured me she is not in any pain. I was so sad yesterday and last night, and I listened to "Down to You" over and over. I was mostly focusing on the lines: "Everything comes and goes Pleasure moves on too early And trouble leaves too slow Just when you're thinking You've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking At your garden gate" I thought shit, here I've come such a long way in dealing with my break up and the powers that be have just thrown some more shit at me. Today I'm focusing on what you did Cassy............"It all comes down to You". I'm not going to wallow in sadness. I'm going to enjoy my little Maxine everyday while I still have her. It *all* does come down to me! Who knows? Miracles can happen. Thanks again for sharing your story and your life. That's why this list is so important to me. Have a nice weekend everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:04:39 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/01 10:38:21 AM Central Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: > I hope I > haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to > share how Joni got *me* through it. > > Cassy, There are tears my eyes, but trust me, not from boredom. What a beautiful and inspirational story! Having just gone through a quadruple bypass this past Valentine's Day, I can relate to so much of what you were saying, though I must admit, I don't think I faced nearly as many challenges as you did. I am so happy that you had someone like Thom to stand by you in your time of need. I know I couldn't have made it without the loving support of my wife Betty. Similarly, over the past month or so, I have had numerous communications with Brian and Mags, so I know how important Mags was in Brian's recovery. To all the Thoms and Bettys and Mags of the world - I salute you! During the recovery process, it is often difficult to be the loving partner that we should be - we're often too preoccupied with our own situation, our own pain, our own pity, to realize how difficult this situation is for you as well. Bless you for looking past these indiscretions, and supporting us any way. Cassy, like you, I often overlook Court and Spark. In my case, I think it's because I tend to dismiss it as Joni's Pop album. I recognize it as a classic, but when I'm searching for a Joni album to play, I tend to bypass it for the more heady stuff. However, once in a blue moon, the mood will strike me, and I'll play it, and I'll always be blown away by it. In fact, I can't wait to finish typing this, so I can run down stairs and play it. After hearing your story, this album will have a whole new meaning for me. As far as Joni music getting me through tough times, I would have to point to Hejira. This whole album was like listening to my life story at the time it was released. I was in the the death throws of a long term relationship with a woman whom I considered a soul mate. I couldn't imagine my life without her. I wasn't suicidal or anything, but I did have bouts of extreme depression. It would be hard to pick out one song that helped me through this time, though if I had to pick one it would be Song for Sharon. Throw in a little Hejira, Amelia, Blue Motel Room, Refuge of the Roads, Black Crow, Strange Boy, and Coyote and you had glimpse of my life. Oddly, though it was the opening line of the album that eventually rang the loudest and the truest - - No regrets, Coyote. What power these three little words have over me. And what a beautiful idea - regardless of where life takes us, through successes and failures, ups and downs, have no regrets. Welcome life with open arms. Savor the good times, and learn from the bad times. No regrets, Coyote. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:07:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Songbird (NJC) > Time after Time and has some > lovely tracks on it. Did you see the video of her singing Somewhere over the > Rainbow on Top of the Pops last night - beautiful! Yes-it grabs you sytaright away. Mind you I had heard it during Comic Relief where it was also a grabber. Such a lovely voice and a truly wonderful rendition of OTR. > > I don't know any of her other albums. > > Regards > Jacky - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:13:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: jonifest fundraiser I was thinking I might donate a sweater for raising funds for Jim. I am just not sure how best to do it. My thoughts: I could just make one and it could be either raffled or auctioned. Or I could offer to make one for the winner of the raffle/auction. The latter I can tell will be problem because I know from experience what a pain the arse people can be. 'could you do it this or that way or move this over there etc etc etc so actually, maybe the first suggestion is best! The sweater will be a jaquard, plain, with JMDL either knitted as a motif or embroidered on after knitting The yarn will be pure wool, probably Merino. The colour will have to be whatever I have! Crew necked, dropped shoulders are unisex. Thoughts will be welcome - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:24:06 -0500 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: David Geffen SJC hi everyone! last night i was watching some of VH1's "behind the music: john lennon, the later years" and although i have MUCH i could go on and on about lennon (he is a hero of mine), the one thing that struck me in a joni context was... the program was describing john's big "return to music" with the lennon/ono record "double fantasy" (a big favorite of mine). and how since they had made the album without a label, there was so much interest when it came to who was going to buy the rights to produce and release it (i think that's right -- bear with me on the technical stuff, i'm a little confused about how the music biz works). so they got many, many offers from various music industry people. but the one they accepted was david geffen. why? yoko explains: it was the ONLY letter they got which was addressed to her (she had been for some time in charge of all the business side of their work), and she showed that to john (who was so angry at how yoko was treated in general, the disrespect to her as an artist, business- woman, and person in general) -- and he said, "well, that's the one we'll take then, right?" she agreed, and they signed with geffen. pretty cool story, huh? i never knew that. somehow i have to believe that d.g.'s experience working with JONI was part of what taught him to recognize and respect women artists in their own right, like yoko (someone as fiercely uncompromising as joni.) - -- emily, who made a vow when she bought "double fantasy" to NEVER skip over yoko's songs, and who has now come to appreciate them and even like a couple! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:29:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival NJC << I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. >> Cassy, Simply one of the most poignant & beautiful pieces I've read here in over 3 years. Thanks for it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:42:38 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Good news. (was Re: Bad News...) pyramus said, > ..I bought 'Mingus' today which means I now have all of Joni's stuff on CD. Now what do I have to look forward to? > > Maybe the 'Hissing' tapes... Hmmmm. ***** Well, yeah. There's the Hissing Demos. There's still lots of primary material to be explored. There are hours of video, beginning with "Painting With Words and Music" (in print), and "Shadows and Light" (in print SOME places). In a special category by itself, are David Lahm's two volumes covering Joni in the Jazz idiom, "Jazz Take On Joni Mitchell" and the new one. Both are in print. - ---- If you're open to collecting Joni stuff that's not store bought, there's an additional world available to you. Like there are tons of concert cassettes. This stuff spans her entire career, from the pre-recording contract days in coffeehouses to the BSN tour of 2000. I make my collection (acquired through the grace and generosity of Simon) available on a blanks and postage basis. Others have made CDs available on B&P basis. You could delve into the JMDL video trees (on four tapes so far). I make them available on a blanks and postage basis (thanks to the grace and generosity of Ashara). Then there's "Refuge Of The Road" (out of print). - --- Or Bob Muller's Covers project. Through the first gazillion volumes, with contributions from around the world, he has mastered Joni songs covered by many, many artists. Available on CD from Bob on a blanks and postage basis. The latest volume, on 2 CDs, sports an audiophile mastering job by the Joni Archivist, Simon. Bob has vowed to keep the Covers coming until he "assumes room temperature". - --- And we are lucky enough to have lots of musicians and songwriters in our midst here at the JMDL. You can start exploring at http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm but some folks like Clark Carlton, Fred Simon, the Mixons, and the aforementioned David Lahm are not on this page yet! C'mon folks! - --- Then there are CDs of JMDLers singing Joni and non-Joni songs at JoniFests. These might be harder to find but there are some real gems. (Everyone has their favorites and I **won't** name mine!) Some of these folks don't have official releases yet but don't "pass this good music by." All the best, Lama As that sage Marcel Deste once quoted, "Don't worry about the No's, just focus on the Yes's. No's all have the same value (zero) its the Yes's that can buy you a new life." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:42:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: one tin soldier rides away << is one tin soldier rides away a joni song? can anyone tell me more about it? it seems like there's a beautifull story going in the song's lyrics. what's it all about? and who's that awfull singer that performs it? >> Nuriel, the title is "One Tin Soldier (The Legend of Billy Jack)". I forget who performed it, a simple search at google.com will probably tell you all you need to know. You probably saw it identified as a Joni song on Napster. I noticed while surfing for Joni on Napster that several people have it in their libraries as a Joni song... Bob NP: Will Taylor, "You've Been Haunting My Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:50:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Urgent << I'm doing a project on Joni for school and i need to know some of her personal favorites. >> Joni was on a BBC Radio 1 show in London, England on May 29, 1983. The name of the show was "My Top 12". Joni played some of her favorite songs, which were: Edith Piaf, LesTrois Cloches Little Richard, Lucille Lambert, Hendricks & Ross, Cloudburst Bob Dylan, Memphis Blues Again Laura Nyro, Captain For Dark Mornings Miles Davis, Nefertiti Burundi Drums (drum track / Jungle Line) Steely Dan, Gaucho Stevie Wonder, That Girl Billie Holiday, You've Changed Peter Gabriel, I Have The Touch Stravinsky, Rites of Spring (Introduction) Hope that helps you...btw, my son & I were big fans of the Amelia Bedelia books, back when I'd read to him at bedtime... Bob Np: Jonatha, "Digging" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:33 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Lesson in Survival In a message dated 3/24/2001 10:45:55 AM Central Standard Time, cassysweet@msn.com writes: > . I hope I > haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to > share how Joni got *me* through it. > cassy, what a truly wonderful story. you made me think what i would do in such a situation. cant say, but hopefully, something if not joni could inspire me the way you were. thanks for sharing your story. kammy Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.74]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:45:54 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:45:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id LAA28289; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:35:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id LAA28256 for joni-outgoing; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com [207.46.181.87]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id LAA28244 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mine ([63.59.210.62]) by cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: <003601c0b47f$eca73040$3ed23b3f@mine> From: "cassy" To: "Joni List" , References: Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:31:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2001 16:34:16.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[44BAA4B0:01C0B480] Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: "cassy" Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk From: > Anyone else have crucial "Joni got me through it songs?" Let us know! Many of you don't know (those who met me before the Pine Knob show do) that in the last couple of years I have suffered from two strokes. The first caused me to lose my ability to speak for a long time, the second, far more debilitating, had me hospitalized for a couple of weeks and living in a rehabilitation center for two months. The second stroke also left me wheelchair-bound for many months and until modern science realized all I needed was a little left-side support (a brace) I could not do many of the things we all take for granted. As I sat, in a deep state of depression, in my hospital bed ringing the bell, futiley, for the nurse to take me to the bathroom before I lost control and all sense of dignity, I had a lot of time for self-evaluation and deep thought. Joni's lyrics came to me in bits and pieces, in dreams and just out of the blue when I least expected them. I had time to think about the kind of person I'd dreamed of being and the reality of the person I'd become. I knew that some of the lyrics weren't written with my situation in mind nor did they really mean what I applied them to in terms of how they related to me at that time, for example "when you dig down deep, you lose good sleep and it makes you heavy company," but I had lived with Joni's words for all of my adult life and as many of you know it's hard to go through something traumatic and NOT think of a few of SIQUOMB's lyrics. I digress... The very excellent question at hand, "Joni got me through it" songs. At various times in my life different Joni songs have pulled me through but the ones that come to mind most vividly during this time are "Trouble Child" and "Down to You." I was physically a shell of my former self, I was depressed and didn't want to live let alone get out of bed each day to be tortured by physical, speech and occupational therapists who had the annoying habit of daring to be cheerful when I wanted to wallow in self-pity. Thom (my husband, my hero, my life), brought me a portable CD player and some headphones so I could perhaps let the music start to heal me from the inside out. He had a hard time deciding on which CDs to bring for me since I have quite a large selection to choose from and he hadn't been with me long enough, then, to know my favorites, he brought "Court & Spark" among others. I waited until late at night when my insomnia often had me alone, awake in the dark. I had savored the moment I would play C&S, like a child who has saved their favorite candy bar until all the other kids have gone home so they wouldn't have to share a single bite with the others, mouth almost watering in anticipation of the pleasure I knew I would find as the first strains of piano filtered across my ears. I listened more carefully than I ever remember listening before, knowing my own mortality now as I never had in the past. My mind eased into another world, my secret world of Joni. My heart-rate slowed, my breathing became easier and I felt myself relax for the first time in weeks as I let myself be carried away on the familiar flights and phrases of her fingers dancing across the keys. Until that night, Court and Spark had not been one of my favorite Joni recordings, I listened the familiar tunes silently until "Trouble Child" and as I melted into the lyrics and applied them to my current situation I cried my eyes out, sobbing until I was wrung dry of emotion, feeling sorry for myself and yet knowing it was time to live again, after all I had so much to live for: a child who needed a mother, a new love who seemed to be sticking by me regardless of the fact he wasn't getting all that he'd bargained for when we entered into our relationship. That night was a metamorphosis for me, I clicked back and listened to "Down to You," again, I realized that I couldn't sit around waiting for someone to wave a magic wand for me and make things the way they used to be, it just wasn't going to happen, it did come down to me, no one else could give me the drive and spirit it would take to get as back to normal as was possible for me and I could lie there and let my dreams go over the dam and watch my right to be human go over with them or I could motivate and stem the flood. I didn't go to sleep until the wee hours of the next morning and was exhausted when the nurses came around to take vitals and wake us for yet another day of torture. The difference that day was that I knew I was finally going to draw from within, no one was "giving" me anything except a little push to find my inner strength and man I needed that push many times over the next few months as I struggled to re-learn the simplest of tasks. It hadn't come as such a shock to know I really had no one, I knew it all along, I just needed a little reminder that I had to find the strength within me to recover. It all came down to the "river of changing faces" (the rehab staff) and above all to me. It feels wierd to give so much of myself out in a post to a public list, I am not one, usually, to share a whole lot of myself with strangers, but I see others doing it all the time here and it seems to be a pretty safe place to let people see our deeper selves. I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it. Cassy NP: "Car On a Hill" Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:31:35 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Urgent Hey Emilia, (i apologise in advance if you've already heard all of this, and i'm hoping someone will pick up the pieces and fill in the blanks for you) i just know that i've read all sorts of things in the vein you seem to belooking for. the biography section of jonimitchell.com would be a good place to start, and of course the articles on jmdl.com. if you let us know more specifially what you're interested in, you could probably gather all the info you need right here on the list. a lot of her influences were, of course, musical. she loved rock n roll as a yougner teenager didnt she? chuck berry in particular, i think. and then she got more into jazz. Coltrane, Davis (particularly Davis!!! there is an article from Grammy magazine with some great details about this, go to the section of the article subtitled Isles of Miles at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9703g.cfm) and so on. well, my point is she had long admired the famed artist Georgia O Keeffe, and Joni finally got up the courage to visit her in the early eighties (dates anyone??). this visit was extremely inspirational for Joni, and it resulted in a major increase in the number of paintings she produced. OKeeffe called her " a pretty curious visitor" after she started leaping around and chanting because she had bought some Indian accessories for herself:-D i think the story goes to the effect of O Keeffe waking Mitchell up early the next morning and insisting they go on a long coiuntry walk. or desert walk as teh case may have been. so, OKeeffe surprised Joni by being very energetic for someone in their 90s and Joni surprised OKeeffe with her chain smoking ((((it's that smoking thread back to haunt the list!!)))). so, OKeeffe told Joni she shouldnt smoke, lol, telling her that she should live!! (i guess if Georgia O Keeffe cant get Joni to quit smoking, noone will!lol) http://www.ellensplace.net/okeeffe1.html at this place you'll find a very good, detailed bigraphy of Georgia O Keeffe. of particular interest if the section about Alfred Stieglitz. you'll also find some great examples of okeeffe's pictures!! dylan also had an influenced Joni, and it could be argued that it's his fault *(mot juste??)* that Joni began writing songs. others on this list can tell you what Dylan song and probably what *lyric* of his inspired her so!! off the top of my head, i think that Cameron Crowe interview from rolling stone has something about her influences . you can find that at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790726rs.cfm no promises there though, it was a few weeks ago when i read that!! it might be a good idea to gather the names of joni's influences etc, and whatever other information you can force out of the list members, and then go to http://www.jmdl.com/articles/index.cfm, where you can do a "text search" and search for those names!! you never know!! and while i'm rambling on and on and on i'll just add VanGogh!! listen to the song turbulent indigo!!!! and the painting on the cover of the TI album is very similar to Van Gogh's "self portrait with bandaged ear" from 1889. while the background on the TI painting is just like that from VanGogh's "self portrait: saint-remy" from later in 1889!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:27:43 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: For Emilia Emilia, So you're doing your research for a school paper on the Internet, eh? How very 21st Century of you! To answer your question about music, Joni likes lots of different types of music. In an interview on "My Top 12" - from BBC Radio 1, London, England - May 29, 1983, Joni said that she is influenced by Edith Piaf (a French singer), Miles Davis (an American Jazz trumpeter), Warrior Drummers from Burundi in Africa, Igor Stravinsky (a classical composer) and these singer/songwriters: The Beatles, Little Richard, Lambert, Hendricks & Ross, Bob Dylan (yes, Jacob's father), Laura Nyro, Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder, Billie Holiday, Peter Gabriel. Joni's political thoughts are many including a song called "Borderline" where she says that people spend too much time divide each other into groups instead of pulling together in harmony. There are two excellent sources of information on Joni. The biography section on www.jonimitchell.com . To use this, click on "WITH FRAME INDEX". Then, at the left, click on "BIO". This is the best biography I ever seen on Joni but it's huge. Secondly, the collection of articles on Joni at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/bypub.cfm If time is running short, you can get an overview from an excellent article in "Vanity Fair" magazine at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9706vf.cfm . Consider including a picture of Joni in your report. Try http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1502641&f=0 , a site by a Joni Mitchell Discussion List member, Pat, who used to "open" for Joni in a coffeehouse in the old days. Maybe one of Joni's paintings might be just the thing. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/art/ and click on a few of Ken's links till you find a painting you like. If you're on a PC, right click and choose "Save Picture As". From there you can store the picture on your hard drive. Later, you can insert the picture into your Word document. Anyway, thanks for reading all this! I hope you enjoy reading about Joni and return if you want to ask more questions. You are always welcome here. All the best, Uncle Jim on 3/24/01 9:10 AM, Emilia Bedelia at hoops3119@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. I'm new to this and i need some information on Joni very very very > soon!!!! I'm doing a project on Joni for school and i need to know some of her > personal favorites. Like her favorite song and things like that! If any of you > know can you please send a post back? Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:28:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival NJC NJC > << I hope I > haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to > share how Joni got *me* through it. >> > > Cassy, > > Simply one of the most poignant & beautiful pieces I've read here in over 3 > years. Thanks for it. > > Bob > I have to put in a 'me too' here. This is the type of post I love to see. It illustrates so beautifully how much Joni means to so many of us. Plus it is so inspiring. Thank you, Cassy. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:57:21 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: Re: hammond plays waits NJC SCJoniGuy wrote: > Speaking of Waits, John Hammond, a great blues/roots > player, > has just released a record of all Waits material, I can't wait to hear > that! that sounds like a must buy! i'm really excited to hear that. love hammond, love waits. a heads up - i know john is on tour because he's playing in northern virginia within the next couple of weeks, so keep your eyes peeled. i wasn't going to go 'cause i've seen him 5 or 10 times, but now that i know he might be playing waits songs, i'm gonna try to make it. i'm also excited to hear about the new elvis costello project - i've been wondering lately what he's up to... barbara np; joy askew, the same desparado ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:05:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Urgent << others on this list can tell you what Dylan song and probably what *lyric* of his inspired her so!! >> According to the interviews I've heard it was the lyric from "Positively 4th Street" when he says: "You've got a lot of nerve to say that you're my friend" She says that when she heard that, she knew that songwriting could go farther than had been previously approached, particularly in the pop arena... Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Saturn" NPIMH: Foreigner, "Urgent" ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:11:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Music Alert NJC Just to correct a mistake in my earlier post about Rob Jackson's "Wire, Wood, and Magnets" CD...I said that there were musical textures generated by synths...I stand corrected, there are no synthesizers on the disc, which means that all the sounds are created by guitar which even makes it more incredible! I think I left the title out as well...reminds me of XTC's "Drums & Wires". Bob NP: Stevie Salas, "Amelia" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:46:39 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: costello and von otter njc Just got For The Stars the musical collaboration between Elvis Costello and Anne Sofie Von Otter and it's a wonderful album. Agree with all thats been said so far about it in various mailings. Nice to see the Joni mention, an added bonus. Really interesting and original choice of covers too, sensitively produced by Elvis. I agree with Pyramus the South Bank Show was fascinating. Cheers, Joe. NP Time After Time Eva Cassidy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:13:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival Cassy wrote, "It feels wierd to give so much of myself out in a post to a public list, I am not one, usually, to share a whole lot of myself with strangers, but I see others doing it all the time here and it seems to be a pretty safe place to let people see our deeper selves. I hope I haven't bored anyone to tears but I couldn't let this opportunity to share how Joni got *me* through it." Cassy, thank you very much for your courage & for sharing your story with us. You are very inspiring & I hope everything is much better now. You brought on tears, yes. Boredom? oh no. Thank you for reminding me of what a precious gift good health is for ourselves & our loved ones. Hope everyone is out there enjoying that fresh weekend air as Les so wisely suggested! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:16:23 EST From: FWSCHNAUZERMOM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni BSN LA Smoking. I'd watch Joni flip throught he yellow pages smoking a cig too. Amen. F in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:37:39 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: whisper's of furry At 2.20 into the the song Joni whisper's out twice Old furry's got nobody Old furry's got nobody Joni does not repeat this on Shadows and Light but fills out that The Daisy was a ballroom that fell to the status a movie theatre. Is that Joni playing the guitar at the end FSTB on SAL? This CD has very little information on who is playing on each song. Brian who came in from a rain storm NP God must be a boogie man - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:44:56 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: For The Roses It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits and before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her art. Kindred spirits who "get her." You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is spoken. Life is good! You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. Checking for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, eventually you're going to take some heat. But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of the community. Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" Joni encounters. Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What did you do to deserve this? I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so much. You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to the music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: baby, this one's for you. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:51:27 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Re: For The Roses I am speechless, save that one in my "Joni File" Right on Bro. Brian checkin out for rainbows as the sun appears again NP, Miles I thought about you - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:14:22 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Re: Lesson in Survival From STAS-FTR i was the shy poet nerd in JHS to HS I would listen to them over and over, Joni & Dylan back and forth.I think i missed a whole decade of evening TV reading and listening to Joni . As i read thru all the classic's By the time FTR came out i was into the modern San Francisco Writers I read thru Brautigan and all the previous beat writers, Kerouac etc. I think my parents thought i was gay,flirting with girls was a waste of time. Until college, and thats another story . NP. Persuance/Psalm John Coltrane - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:20:31 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: For The Roses Scott This is SO beautiful. It's truly amazing to me how one minute there are flames licking at us and the next we get such eloquent heartfelt posts from the likes of you and Cassy today. I was really sad at some of the recent posts and angered that they get twisted into such an evil way. I can only echo your hopes and pleas and pray that my dear friend heals from this and return at least to the ones who really appreciate her friendship and love her so much. I also pray that everyone learn to respect each other and rejoice in our differences instead of locking and loading. Just this past week Kakki offered me her apartment to stay in if I went to attend my friend Trisha's memorial. When she found out where the memorial was gonna be held (very near her folks house) she offered me that option as well. Unfortunatly finances and my obligation to family (Mikey's Birthday tomorrow), I decided to resist my heart and not go. I have seen Kakki offer this hospitality to lots of folks passing thru LA, without hesitation and is a wonderful hostess to all JMDL folk passing by. This is so sad. I think maybe Les was right, we all should just unplug these damn computers for the weekend. Love Paz NP-If You Could Only See-Tonic(the acoustic version) on 3/24/01 5:44 PM, Scott Price at sp@olympus.net wrote: > It starts with a web search. "Joni Mitchell." You sift through the hits and > before long find the Mecca. Joni-Mitchell-dot-com and JMDL-dot-com. You > have followed her career, every step and every song, for decades. It's a > glorious discovery...there are others out there who truly appreciate her > art. Kindred spirits who "get her." > > You lurk for a while and one day take the plunge. You wonder how you will > be received after that first post, and check your e-mail constantly for a > while, hoping that response(s) will be positive. > > A few exchanges begin, on-list and off. Friendships are born. Siquomb is > spoken. Life is good! > > You develop relationships. With the list, with individual listers. Checking > for "new mail" becomes fun and important to you. You open up more, and in > so doing, find that not everyone is nice. You learn that this "community" > has its share of dysfunction, and if you're a contributor to the list, > eventually you're going to take some heat. > > But your love of Joni's craft is unwavering and you are by nature an open > and generous person. You couldn't change these personality traits even if > you wanted. You could lurk, or you could toss it in, but you have so much > to give, so you stay. And you become a very visible and revered member of > the community. > > Years pass. Concerts, fests large and small, tapings, exhibits. Fate is > kind. You share the experiences. By default you become a ringleader. And > you're damn good at it. Serendipity puts you in the right places at the > right times, and you warmly and skillfully report back to the community so > that we who are interested may live vicariously through your "real life" > Joni encounters. > > Despite all your contributions, skirmishes develop. Unwarranted personal > attacks lead to despair. You put so much into the group and would go > forever without so much as a "thank you" but it's worse than that...a lack > of acknowledgement would be OK, but the skewering...for what reason? What > did you do to deserve this? > > I don't blame you for leaving. I've gone away before myself a time or two. > But each time I return it's with a more jaded view. Nobody would lament > that for me, but for you...ahh...you're different. You represented so much. > You were the ideal JMDLer. And now you're gone, perhaps never to return. > > It is with much sadness that I announce to the list that Kakki has left > this "community." She departed with her customary grace and without > fanfare. She's not pining, she's not sulking, and she doesn't know I'm > writing this. In fact she is spending the weekend taking care of her > elderly father. But she's withdrawn from the JMDL, and I thought the list > should know that. I want you to consider, prior to the next time you > exercise your right to "free speech" and post away with insulting and > insensitive words, that if we really want this discussion group to be a > place we're proud of, we've got to consider how our posts can impact > others. Please use temperance the next time you put a name or a label on > someone. That isn't preaching, BTW...it's a plea. > > What does a particular Joni song or album mean to you? A question for the > ages. Tonight I'll put on her favorite, "For The Roses." I'll listen to the > music and I'll think of what we've lost. I'll hope that her memories of > time spent here will be of the good times, not the bad. I'll remember how > much she has enriched my own experience, and give thanks. A martini glass > will be raised, the ice cold elixir savored, with one simple thought: baby, > this one's for you. > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:20:11 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni and Los Angeles Magazine So, this month's edition of Los Angeles magazine has yet another Joni mention. I swear Kit Rachlis (the editor-in-chief) either has a Joni fascination or is her best friend. In his monthly *From the Editor* column, he is talking about the idealistic Los Angeles of yesteryear. In his fantasies, he writes: "...That golden age goes something like this: Family farms dot the San Fernando Valley and orange groves fan out from the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains, the Doors are performing at the Whiskey and X is putting on a show at the Masque; the movie palaces on Broadway are booming; the public schools rank among the country's finest; Groucho Marks and JONI MITCHELL [emphasis added] are holding court at the Brown Derby and Bette Davis and Frank Gehry are regulars at Spago; jazz and R&B are pouring out of Central Avenue; Dewey Weber and Tom Morey [my personal hero] are surfing off Zuma; the beaches are never crowded; and the air is so clear you can see the glint of the Pacific from as far as Sierra Madre. The clanging of the red cars can be heard down the boulevards. And thanks to freeways, everything is just twenty minutes away..." Me again: I am supposing that, in this fantasy, Joni held court at the Brown Derby separate and apart from Groucho. I can't really see Joni at the Brown Derby - - it was like a smokey, ancient relic from the golden days of Hollywood - the last one (it was a chain) closed in the early 1980s. I certainly can't fathom Joni with Groucho. So my question to you all. We'll assume Joni went to the Brown Derby to swill down a few Brandy Alexanders and have a few Winstons (American Spirits weren't around then). She ordered the Cobb Salad, made famous there, and for dessert, strawberries with whipped cream. She has a table for six -- you are one of the guests, who would be the other four and why? By the way, Joni is picking up the check (even though her music makes her no more money than she needs to buy and keep a Bel Air mansion.) No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #143 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?