From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #141 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 141 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Amelia - futility? you can't be serious ["Brett Code" ] Re: Confessions/Back to the garden [Michael Paz Subject: RE: Amelia - futility? you can't be serious Sorry, this just is not possible. Futility. Remember the first Lilith Fair tour? At every show, those incredible artists and up and coming artists acknowledged the trail blazed by Joni every night by coming out on stage and singing Big Yellow Taxi as a tribute to Joni and the possibilities she had opened up for them. Amelia did the same - opened up possibilities. To me, the result is dramatic, and the world is a better place. Futility would have been if they all came out and sang 'Pretty Woman'. Virtually every female performer out there has a "Kiss my ass" debt to pay. For 3 years, during Lilith Fair, they gave something back. I understand the attraction of the maudlin poetic interpretation, but, in my humble opinion, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Joni or her career. Brett - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Vince Lavieri Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:41 PM To: Yael Harlap Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Amelia The lyrics end with Joni alone in a motel room - alone, in a place one goes to on a journey, alone in a place where one goes with a lover, she is alone. Dreams, dreams, and false alarms... whatever Joni had hoped for, whatever her dream was, it was crashed, it had crashed (see penultimate verse), just as Amelia Earhart had a dream, a journey she wished to make, she flew in the icy altitutdes, and her dream crashed and she was alone - and dead. Amelia was the pioneer woman who had a dream in man's world, Joni has her dreams in an induistry also male dominated and they both pushed the limits of doing it their war. I see the song "Amelia" as an elergy, as an evocation of a place that Joni is in, an emotional or psychological place, where seeing the ending of a dream. The dream may have been, for Joni, a happy relationship. Whatever it was, it had crashed and Joni's dream, like Amelia's, ended in futility. A related, somewhat opposite, image appears in the movie The Great Waldo Pepper, made about the same time, where in the end Waldo has accomplished his dream and flies off in his bi-plane into a cloud, alone, never to land; his bi-plane lost its landing gear, but the crash that is to come (and kill him) is meaningless as Waldo has accomplised his dreams and flies off, alone, in the cloud. The above: all IMHO. Greg Kot of the Chicago Tribune has written of that song as if it is the one that moves him the most. Even my very obtuse former partner, who said when we were halfway through the S&L video, "have we had enough Joni?," was caught by the poignancy of that song. Amelia, whether we understand the words, we all understand what she feels, what she is saying beyond the mere words with her music, with the entire sound. Like an opera, we don't need to understand the words to relate to the emotion. That is why IMHO "Amelia" is one of Joni's most moving songs. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:48:07 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC Jan Oh please! sadly Paz on 3/23/01 11:47 AM, jan gyn at jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us wrote: > > I thought what Artheo wrote was fine (although his taste in movies...:)) > Hey, we're all 'groanups' (cough), and I think if others can list their, > say, smoking=death views or their Jesus/Birkenstock tendencies or their > annoying use of lameass puns (cough), then Artheo can express hisself > however he likes. > -jan > > Cheers! > PS- I also think the Inner Circle Game a bunch of yahoo motherf*ckers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:59:09 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Confessions/Back to the garden What a beautiful picture you painted! Have fun at the Jonatha concert and give her my love. Best, Paz NP-Noise starting to subside! I am giving them 30 more minutes then I am getting the stun gun out. on 3/23/01 4:29 PM, BRIAN SYMES at briansymes@office.com wrote: > So i escaped from work after lunch to get a Jonatha Brooke Ticket at > the Aladdin Theatre its a pefect day in Portland finally 75 SUNNY the > plums, pears camelias azealeas magnolias all bloming while im > cruising back to work the long scenic way with Miles of Ailses on > tape playing.I was driving slow on Fremont St when Woodstock came on > so i had to turn it way up and sing along with Joni. Then I passed a > lady trying to trim the suckers of a young Plum tree along the street > I quickly pulled over a jumped off my white cloud and pulled out my > very sharp "Felco Sectuers" and trimmed them off like they were warm > butter. She asked me who i was and I replied "Archangelo" in my best > Italian accent. The reason I drive down Fremont is that over the last > Decade i have planted about Twenty Street Trees along this pleasant > road,thru the Friends of Trees.please check them out on the web at > www.friendsoftrees.org > Love to All > Brian Symes > > > > > ----------------------- > Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #141 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?