From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #140 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 140 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: *Joni and smoking [Nancy ] Re: Hugs NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC [Alison E ] Furry revelation ["Janine Sherman" ] oops NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Thank You! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: runaway from the record biz ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Hugs NJC [Barbara Hirahara ] re:showbiz runaway [christopher blake ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC ["Kakki" ] RE: Hugs NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz [Alison E ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC [jan gyn ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC [jan gyn ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC [jan gyn ] Re: Furry revelation [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hugs NJC [catman ] Re: Breaking news! - NJC ["hell" ] Re: Hell's travels - NJC ["hell" ] Re: chat room help ["hell" ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC [catman ] club creature guide (njc) [jan gyn ] Confessions/Back to the garden ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Hugs NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC [Les Irvin ] RE: Breaking news! - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: *Joni and smoking ["patrick leader" ] RE: Breaking news! - NJC ["patrick leader" ] Joni books ["kerry" ] Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC ["Kakki" ] Got Till It's Gone ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: Welbutrin NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Joni books [Mark Domyancich ] Covers #15 Lotto [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Eva Cassidy (NJC) [Penny ] RE: *'Insiders' jab - NJC ["Brett Code" ] RE: Hugs ["Brett Code" ] RE: Hugs NJC ["Brett Code" ] Re: Living in and Understanding Communities - NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Breaking news! - NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Hugs ["hell" ] Re: Hugs NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Hugs NJC [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:24:37 -0600 From: Nancy Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking I keep thinking that Joni made a comment, something like "Yes, I'm smoking!" when she came back outmaybe she caught someone's disapproving look? Does this seem familiar to anyone who was at the Chicago concert? I really don't think I'm dreaming! And yes, I *did* see Amy Grant there! :-) Nancy/IA >At the Chicago concert, where I could see her facial expressions much >better, I saw her grin knowingly, as if we all expected her to show up with >a fag in her hand. Like she was giving us what we expected. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:30:03 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Hugs NJC Jimmy wrote: > But Ashara, Paz probably doesn't own any Cheryl Wheeler CD's. He snores and > rarely bathes :~)........just kidding Michael, you can be SALacious again > this year. > Hmmmm....... Snoring..... rarely bathing...... but...... NO CHERYL WHEELER CD"S???????????? Mr. Paz, I am officially rescinding your rights to the bedroom! Hugs, Ashara P.S. Lest some of you listers actually (sorry Lori) believe that anyone is actually (sorry Lori) sleeping with Sal and I, IT IS ALL JUST A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:59:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC just cause i have a yahoo account, does that make me a yahoo motherf*cker? just curious, alison e. in nyc (also in favor of free speech...) np: dueling banjo's (I'm serious!) - --- jan gyn wrote: > -jan > Cheers! > PS- I also think the Inner Circle Game a bunch of > yahoo motherf*ckers. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:02:23 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Furry revelation Hi all, After a quarter of a century of listening to the album Hejira- vinyl and now CD, last night I had a major revelation. In the song, Furry Sings the Blues, have any of you heard Joni muttering or whispering two repeated lines???? I thought I was hearing things and I even brought it up to a list guru in the chat room last night. Please listen closely to this song and kindly post to tell me what you hear in between these lines: But there was one song I could really feel and There's a double bill murder at the......... Honest to goodness, I hear her saying a line, twice. I know what I think it is, I want to know what you think it is. How could I just hear this after twenty-five years???? If you don't hear anything, maybe I have a rare copy (NOT) I am not(like my husband teases) playing it backwards like it was rumored people did to the Beatles White album.......... Please help me confirm my sanity and auditory discrimination. Have a great weekend, XOXOXOXO Janine _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:48:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: oops NJC OOPs I mispelled Marian's name, sorry Marian! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:48:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Thank You! NJC Thank you Pat for the truly wonderful Joni movies! And thank you Alison for the Shawn concert report! I have heard wonderful things about her new record, can't wait & I do hope she comes to SB! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:48:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz >>I seem to remember Joni talking about the fact that they courted her, only not to promote her.<< A very common business practice. The company signs several artists & only promotes a few of them. The others are stuck with a contract that paralyzes their ability to record, play, etc. Sometimes it is a result of one artist showing the potential to sell, so the company puts their promo money into that artist & does nothing for the others (but they are still under contract). Sometimes it is more sinister in that the record company signs an artist just to keep them out of the competion. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:16:10 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: Hugs NJC Ashara, Would you please forward the necessary forms to attend Jonifest? I seem to have deleted them. Steve and I will bring the Sushi. Is there room for me to park my Westy? Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: re:showbiz runaway thinking 'bout all these broke recording artists... recorded music is a way to introduce the artist to the public so they may tour. touring is how most artists make their livelihood. now, if JONI would tour more often... have a great weekend all! - -christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:46:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC Hey guess what Jan, I don't make the rules around here. But the rules have changed and it is now an insult free for all, please let me know. Here's what Les the listowner sends to every new subscriber: 4) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance: To debate is divine, to personally insult really sucks. We love debate! We love a good conversation - a good discussion of the issues. We do so with respect for all involved. There are people from many countries and many cultures on this list. There are also those who are diplomatic, and those who aren't. There are tall ones and short ones and ... well, you get the idea. We are a very diverse bunch. In a nutshell, respect another's opinion and they will respect yours. It is not acceptable to personally insult someone publicly on the list. If you feel the need to do so, go listen to the "Ladies of the Canyon" album and calm down. If that doesn't work, take your differences off the list! > I thought what Artheo wrote was fine (although his taste in movies...:)) > Hey, we're all 'groanups' (cough), and I think if others can list their, > say, smoking=death views or their Jesus/Birkenstock tendencies or their > annoying use of lameass puns (cough), then Artheo can express hisself > however he likes. > -jan > > Cheers! > PS- I also think the Inner Circle Game a bunch of yahoo motherf*ckers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:25:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hugs NJC oh but i thought evian was the bed guest this year!!!! now you have ruined my complete gossip circuit until september, ashes!!!! wallyK ps: there is indeed astrological danger!!! venus, ruler of harmony at home, will be retrograde until april 19!!!!!! when venus is retrograde, bickering, abuse and a whole lotta yellin' take place. we also buy horrid [or dare i say... roddid?] clothes and lamps and stuff like aviators pants. i guess that we all will be badly dressed bitches until the second half of april. and then mars goes retrograde, oh my... - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de AsharaJM@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 23 de Marzo de 2001 04:15 p.m. Para: FMYFL@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Hugs NJC Jimmy wrote: > I haven't felt any tension personally, but to show my generosity I'm giving > up my bed space for someone at Joni-fest and plan to sleep in the master > bedroom between you and Sal :~) > Sorry Jimmy, that space has already been taken by Paz- he got first dibs on that last year!!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz very informative and interesting, kate. thanks for the insight. > Prince: > Prince changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol > (his contract was with > Prince) and wrote "Slave" on his cheek. it sucks for example that everyone thought prince was a nutball for changing his name to a symbol, when in fact it was brilliant strategy to escape the "shackles" so to speak, of the contract. it's all clear, now, since the contract expired. it was an inspired move. don't forget, too about ani difranco and her "righteous babe" records. she was motivated more by artistic freedom, i think, but the end result is the same. she owns the label, she pays herself and keeps the money her albums make. which is fairly substantial, i think. does anyone know if joni makes any "real" money off the sale of her paintings? i am thinking not, i dont' remember anyone mentioning it. i'm just curious. hasn't she done a couple of art shows in europe? alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:00:38 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Bruce Cockburn On Tv Tonight (NJC) For Bruce Cockburn Fans who have access to the CBC- He'll be on tonight at 9pm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:17:31 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC At 12:46 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Kakki wrote: >Hey guess what Jan, I don't make the rules around here. But the rules have >changed and it is now an insult free for all, please let me know. Here's >what Les the listowner sends to every new subscriber: > >4) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance: To debate is divine, to personally >insult really sucks. We love debate! We love a good conversation - a good >discussion of the issues. We do so with respect for all involved. There >are people from many countries and many cultures on this list. There are >also those who are diplomatic, and those who aren't. There are tall ones >and short ones and ... well, you get the idea. We are a very diverse bunch. Hey, guess what Kakki? I didn't think Artheo's comment that insulting. Heck, I'd rather receive those type of comments than be PREACHED at (the greatest insult of all), but then I fall outside of YOUR concept of diversity. Maybe we should put an 'attitude' rating system in our subject headers, no? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:25:36 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC At 12:59 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Alison E wrote: >just cause i have a yahoo account, does that make me a >yahoo motherf*cker? >just curious, >alison e. in nyc (also in favor of free speech...) >np: dueling banjo's (I'm serious!) Hah! Let's wait for 'The Mclaughlin Group' to weigh in on that one! - -jan np: someone's car alarm outside ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:02:34 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC Jan, I agree preaching to people can be insulting. The constant singling out of certain political groups or religions around here insults and degrades the whole *diverse* community. Maybe we should have an official short list of the people who always have carte blanche to call others religious fundamental facists and motherf*ckers without anyone raising a peep. Seems that there is a short list of others who are constantly called out for far lesser transgressions. I say let's just make it equal one way of the other. Kakki > Hey, guess what Kakki? I didn't think Artheo's comment that insulting. > Heck, I'd rather receive those type of comments than be PREACHED at (the > greatest insult of all), but then I fall outside of YOUR concept of > diversity. Maybe we should put an 'attitude' rating system in our subject > headers, no? > -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:56:20 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC At 02:02 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Kakki wrote: >Jan, > >I agree preaching to people can be insulting. The constant singling out of >certain political groups or religions around here insults and degrades the >whole *diverse* community. Maybe we should have an official short list of >the people who always have carte blanche to call others religious >fundamental facists and motherf*ckers without anyone raising a peep. Seems >that there is a short list of others who are constantly called out for far >lesser transgressions. I say let's just make it equal one way of the other. > >Kakki Cool school. I don't mind being on a sublist- I just don't want to be monitored for random flaminess or other flamboyant fun; however genteel, or gent(i)le, that monitoring may be. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:07:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Furry revelation << Please listen closely to this song and kindly post to tell me what you hear in between these lines: But there was one song I could really feel and There's a double bill murder at the......... >> Hey Janine, Sorry that you don't have a rare collectors' item worth a gazillion bucks! :~) I've always heard Joni singing (as Furry) "Ol' Furry's got nobody, ol' Furry's got no-o-o-o-o-body"... Of course, on the '79 tour, she sings (in that same space) "I got a woman on Monday, she shines up my shoes, Tuesday's woman brings me nothin' but the blues"...or something close to that. It's a masterpiece of a song, ain't it? The song is one good line after another, but this one: "he points a bony finger at you and says, 'I don't like you', and everybody laughs like it's Furry's standard joke, but it's true - we're only welcome for our drink & smoke" is incredibly chilling to me... Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Summer Soft" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:39:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hugs NJC > I'm giving up my bed space for someone at Joni-fest and > plan to sleep in the master bedroom between you and Sal :~) Good to know that Ashara and Sal will be safe. > > > always hugs for you! > Jimmy - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:49:12 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Breaking news! - NJC wallyk wrote: > i must have missed the news. does this mean that you're coming to > ashara's?!?!?!??! i can't believe it!!!!! i'm so happy i'll finally meet > you! please say it's true, and pardon my absent-mindedness either way. Yes! Depending on my obtaining enough money from my friendly bank ;o) but it looks pretty much like I'll be there. I'm definitely looking forward to meeting everyone too, and only wish I could take up ALL the offers of accommodation that have been offered. But in order to do that, I'd have to take at least 3 months off work - which I don't think my boss would be too happy about! But I will meet most people at Jonifest, and that's very cool! Hell - getting more and more excited by the day! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:51:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Hell's travels - NJC Jimmy wrote: > Well you know if you're flight to the U.S. comes to Florida, you're more than > welcome to stay at my bach and you'll feel home n hosed. So rattle ya dags > and get over here girl. While you're at it, stop by Sydney and kidnap John > Low! No matter where you end up staying, at least you'll be at Joni-fest, > and it will be so wonderful to finally meet you. Make sure you bring some > Kiwi wee wees :~) I doubt I'll get to Florida on this trip, but you never know what may happen in the future - you may regret making that offer! Not sure about bringing Kiwi wee wees - depends how much I "complimentary" drinks I have on the flight ;o) .... no, let's not go there! Looking forward to seeing you too! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:53:59 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: chat room help Christopher wrote: > okalee-dokalee, so i'm at the main jmdl site, and i > log in successfully, i click on'chat room' and now i > am at a large grey screen with a list of helpful > topics except how to begin chatting or viewing the > chat. the 'joining the chat' is of no use to me > because i see no 'connect' button or a place to enter > my username. please help a friendly newbie :} meet > others like yourselves. thank you Just be patient - sometimes it's take an AGE for that grey screen to go away, and for the logon on screen to finally appear in it's place. At times I've even gone away for 5-10 minutes before it finally shows itself. I guess it depends on the amount of traffic on the server, and the speed of your connection. But at least the grey screen means it's thinking about it! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:58:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC jan gyn wrote: > At 10:07 AM 3/23/01 -0800, Kakki wrote: > >Artheo, > >I know that you have apologized but what you wrote about Marcel was plain > >old vicious. There was no misunderstanding due to the lack of inflection > >and facial reaction in the email communication in this instance. What you > >wrote is a well-used perjorative slur commonly tossed out at people who are > >Republicans. Maybe you truly didn't know that and just used it by > >coincidence. > >There are two very common and dangerous myths that exist in this community. > >One is that everyone here is a Democrat/leftist and that Marcel is the only > >Republican. One good reason for that is anyone who disagrees with a right wing opinion is instandly labelled stupid and leftist and recieves either private or public rude posts. Expressing one's opinion is fine but not rudely. And yes, some people do get singled out for minor 'infractions'. It happened to me recently, some person moaning about a rude private post being answered publicly. That same person then sent my private reply to the list and hasn't had the decency to apologise for it. Passive agressive crap. It is quite simple: state your feelings/opinons freely. But so so without denegrating anyone else. It is not that hard. If you set yourself up as a target by forcefully and rudely stating your opinions, you are going to get the flack. It works that way. cause and effect. It is somewhat unrealistic to think the result would be different. > > >The other is that there are "insiders" or people from the "inner circle" As far as I am aware, there is only one person who thinks there is an inner circle and he even has the list of it's members! In the end we get the list we deserve. If we allow people to get away with tearing others down, they will continiue to do it. If we stamp on people who do object to this behaviour, it will continue. The thing that pisses me off the worst is the cowardice shown by people who post publicly one way and privately nastily or who support people's positon privately and but not publicly. I managed to stay naive until, my 30's. Until then I just could not understand how the Holocaust happened. Unfortunately i do now know. Otherwise good people sat back and did nothing. And no, I have not gone off on a tangent with this remark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:55:17 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: club creature guide (njc) Hi all- This handy dandy missive's was floating around the sf_indierock list some weeks ago, so I thought I'd share for those who frequent clubs. - -jan Anthropological Guide for Alternative Music Venues 1 . The World-weary Sound Guy He's seen it all before and just to remind you of that, he is critical of everything and everybody. Cigarette dangling from his lower lip, he grumpily sets up the microphones all the while muttering, "I could blow any one of you wankers off the stage if my girlfriend would just get off my back." 2. The Kid with the New Fake ID The sheer illicit giddiness of drinking in public for the first time might explain the stupid grin on his face, but more likely it has to do with the six whiskey sours he's downed in the past hour. By the end of the night he transforms into "The Kid with his Head in a Toilet You Wouldn't Even Sit On." 3. The Girl with the Killer Boots Her boots are most likely the coolest thing in her wardrobe, but they are absolutely fantastic. Her boots attract envious comments from everyone. Inevitably, three people will ask her where she got them, but no one will ever find such marvelous boots again. 4. The Creepy Predator Usually an accountant-looking guy in his early 40s, he is clearly out of place among the younger faces. He'll dress according to what he believes someone half his age will find hip in an attempt to lure some young thing back home with him. Do not, however, confuse him with... 5. The Aging Rock Critic Chances are he would have come to the show even if he weren't on assignment, but the free admission always helps. Most of the time, especially during the opening acts, he'll try to explain to his companion why the opening band is a cheap copy of some indie band no one has ever heard of. On occasion, however, the band will catch his fancy and he will suddenly become... 6. The Raving Fan This person will hoot between songs, nod knowingly during solos and grin madly while the object of their affection is on stage. Sometimes, this adoration will have sexual overtones, but usually it's merely the result of sheer joy. Often, this individual can be identified simply by the quantity of merchandise he has purchased. 7. The Bouncer with a Heart of Gold Built like a Sherman tank, this person could easily pound you into a tiny ball, which he would then deftly kick into the nearest garbage can. If you ask his friends, however, they'll all tell you that it's merely a front and that underneath he's the nicest guy you'd ever want to know. 8. The Shrieker Inevitably, she stands right behind you, usually a little to the left. Her enthusiastic screaming could place her in the "Raving Fan" category, but whereas the Raving Fan is relatively harmless, the Shrieker has been directly linked to brain tumors. 9. The Stoner Brave Enough to Smoke in Public Although rarely seen, you can smell him as soon as the lights go down and the band takes the stage. 10. The Crying Girl No one knows why she cries. Maybe it's an ex-boyfriend, a stolen jacket or overwhelming musical passion. Nevertheless, she sits in the back corner and sobs while everyone else steals voyeuristic glances at her and kills time between sets guessing what is troubling her. 11. The Drunk Person Who Has Made Regular, Annoying Pilgrimages Through the Crowd to Get to the Bar, and Now Suddenly Needs to Get to the Bathroom Pronto! This person annoyed you the first six or seven times he/she shoved past you, blatantly disregarding your personal space and slopping beer all over you. Now, you must fight the urge not to let him/her past you, lest you wear the contents of his/her stomach. 12. The People Who Came to Socialize with Each Other Ever seen these assholes? They show up at a show, stand right in front and then proceed to carry on a loud conversation as the band attempts to play. Hey, if you haven't seen each other in years, go have your reunion in a restaurant or something.) 13. Asshole Mosh-Pit Guy This is the guy who is permanently stuck in a thrash show. You could be calmly watching Red House Painters, Low, Auburn Lull, Labradford (you know, something really chilled out) and this guy comes flying through the air, rams you in the back, and you go scrambling three rows of people forward slamming into ten other people who now subsequently think that YOU are the Asshole Mosh-Pit Kid. This same jackass kid gets his butt kicked at least once a show. I knew the next generation was brain-dead when I saw girls moshing at a Doors cover band show years ago! That guy left though... he's been replaced all the more efficiently by 14. Crowd-Surfing-Guy/Girl (which, IMO is infinitely worse than Asshole Mosh-Pit Guy). Crowdsurfing is the sure fire way to get a nonviolent person like me to punch random people. Something about a boot to the base of your skull to really release all your anger on an unsuspecting 15 year old... I almost felt sorry for that girl... nah. and then some more generic characters 15. the guy or girl who bought their tshirt before the show and now has to hold it awkwardly the whole time because its too big for any of their pockets. 16. the two guy/one girl showgoing party. the girl is always cute, and is either dating one or none of the guys. the guys both make her lots of mix tapes that she'll never be able to finish istening to. neither really have a chances with that girl, she's looking for the most "in my mind, i'm in suede" guy in the room. 17. the person who thinks [insert genre] means dressing like you're in the [insert 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's]. 18. pedal fetishists- immediately after they get their hand stamped, they saunter, oh so casually, but oh so intently, up to the stage and try not to act like they can scope every effect box on the floor. these people are hardcore. i've seen them ditch their dates at the door, pass up relatively empty bars, merch tables, all just to see what's gonna get some stomping that night. these aren't just guitar snobs, guitar snobs can check most everything out while the show is going on. pedal fetishists, by contrast, are people nerdy/precise enough to get to the show early. 19." I Can't Tell if I'm Stevie Nicks or Patricia Morrison" Girl- she's kinda goth, she's kinda hippie, but no matter how dark the dye is, the Birkenstocks let you know she's more Marley than Murphy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:29:15 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Confessions/Back to the garden So i escaped from work after lunch to get a Jonatha Brooke Ticket at the Aladdin Theatre its a pefect day in Portland finally 75 SUNNY the plums, pears camelias azealeas magnolias all bloming while im cruising back to work the long scenic way with Miles of Ailses on tape playing.I was driving slow on Fremont St when Woodstock came on so i had to turn it way up and sing along with Joni. Then I passed a lady trying to trim the suckers of a young Plum tree along the street I quickly pulled over a jumped off my white cloud and pulled out my very sharp "Felco Sectuers" and trimmed them off like they were warm butter. She asked me who i was and I replied "Archangelo" in my best Italian accent. The reason I drive down Fremont is that over the last Decade i have planted about Twenty Street Trees along this pleasant road,thru the Friends of Trees.please check them out on the web at www.friendsoftrees.org Love to All Brian Symes - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:51:30 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Hugs NJC Wally wrote: > oh but i thought evian was the bed guest this year!!!! Well Wally, I hate to disappoint, but Evian and his lovely wife Tracy are expecting a little bambino at the beginning of May, so I don't think they will be traveling too far this year. :-( And, of course, until I receive my Great Big Sea CD, he won't even be welcome through the front door!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:54:03 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC At 04:58 PM 3/23/2001, Colin wrote: >It is quite simple: state your feelings/opinons freely. But do so without >denegrating anyone else. Good advice. And very much the intended philosophy and spirit of the JMDL. Maybe we all need to turn off our computers for the weekend and get out into the fresh air... Then we can get back to discussing the life, music, art, and times of Joni Mitchell. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:52:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Breaking news! - NJC if you come, i'll sing a carole king song for you. [i know it sounds like a threat but it's supposed to be a promise!] wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: hell [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] Enviado el: Viernes, 23 de Marzo de 2001 08:49 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Breaking news! - NJC Yes! Depending on my obtaining enough money from my friendly bank ;o) but it looks pretty much like I'll be there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:33:46 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: *Joni and smoking ashara, i think you're right, joni didn't smoke at that show. i think she did at the msg theater show i saw a couple of days earlier. in the 98 fall tour, she always smoked during 'comes love'. made an event out of it. patrick, still remembering the joy of seeing joni from the second row. probably because i'm a dancer, i'm very twitchy and movey even while sitting listening to music. when joni looked down and saw me bopping in my seat to 'sometimes i'm happy', she gave me the biggest smile, and smiled my way a couple more times. i even think she forgave me for flirting with that cellist on the right... what a magnificent evening. np - handel - l'allegro, il penseroso ed il moderato. >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >AsharaJM@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:34 PM >To: nymets69_2001@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > > >Christopher wrote: > >> my joni BSN show was the oakdale theater in >> wallingford, ct (anyone else?). no sight of joni >> smoking and i was close to her - so close... :) >> > >I was in the second row center in CT with many of my JMDL buddies >including >our dear Kenny, may he rest in peace, and I seem to remember saying to >Patrick that it was amazing that she didn't smoke at all through the whole >thing!! (Patrick, am I remembering that right, or is old age >quickly seeping >through?) Anyway, too bad we didn't know you then, Christopher! You could >have joined us for a great evening of dinner and show!! :-) > >Hugs, >Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:33:56 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Breaking news! - NJC hell, jmdlers have since before time been drifting down new york city way after visiting ashara in topsfield. it's only four or so hours by train (that's a very short distance between cities in the united states) if you come to new york, i guarantee a place to sleep in my apartment, or at my sister's. and i'm sure other new yorkers will help me show you a great time here. patrick, looking forward to jonifest, and also to the minifest of david lahm's, memorial day weekend. patrick np - handel - l'allegro, il penseroso ed il moderato >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of hell >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:44 AM >To: JMDL >Subject: Breaking news! - NJC > > >Auckland, NZ - Local Joni Mitchell Fan Makes Extraordinary Announcement > >In breaking news this evening, Thursday 22nd March 2001, Helen (aka Hell) >announced that she would be making every effort to attend the >world renowned >"Jonifest", set to take place in Topsfield, Massachusetts, USA, at Labour >Weekend, September 2001. In making this announcement, Hell stated that she >would be in serious negotiations with her personal banking consultant in >order to raise/find/beg for the necessary funds and made the following >comment. "Oh, what the hell. You only live once, damn it, and I could be >hit by a bus tomorrow. What's another few thousand dollars debt? And >besides, Paz owes me a bottle of Tequila." > >Hell also commented on the logistics of flying half-way round the >world with >limited resources, and hinted that any offers of assistance, in >particular a >piece of floor to sleep on (albeit a fairly large, and preferably a very >soft piece of floor), in various US cities, would be gratefully received. > >The excitement, and dare we say, anticipation which will arise from this >announcement will no doubt stir the very furthest reaches of the internet >community. We will endeavour to keep you informed of news as it arrives, >and recommend you stay tuned. > > >Some unknown reporter in Auckland, NZ, who isn't sure of the spelling of >Massachusetts, but thinks she made a pretty damn good stab at it >____________________________ >"To have great poets, there must be >great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > >hell@ihug.co.nz >Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: >http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:39:37 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni books This may have been discussed before, but I was checking out Amazon's Joni stuff and they listed 2 books: "Joni Mitchell Complete", vols. 1 & 2, due to be published this month. Is this just an updated version of "Complete Poems & Lyrics?" They also listed this book: "Rock Troubadours: Conversations on the Art and Craft of Songwriting with Jerry Garcia, Ani DiFranco, Dave Matthews, Joni Mitchell, Paul Simon, and More" by Jeffrey Pepper Rodgers (Editor). Has anyone read this? It sounds interesting... Kerry NP - Jonatha Brooke, Linger - Yes, I caved in to peer pressure again! First, Emmylou, then Patti Smith... I wish you people would recommend some GOOD music, for a change. (insert heavy sarcasm into last sentence) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:08:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC colin wrote: >There are two very common and dangerous myths that exist in this community. >One is that everyone here is a Democrat/leftist and that Marcel is the only >Republican. > > One good reason for that is anyone who disagrees with a right wing opinion is > instandly labelled stupid and leftist and recieves either private or public rude > posts. That's a very broad statement, colin. My point was not about Marcel, it was about marginalizing a whole group of people for their political or religious beliefs. There are other Republicans and Libertarians on this list who have never been rude to anyone but do not post or have left the list because of the distinct message that ALL Republicans are considered rude, fascist, and the other assorted labels by the vocal majority here. There are others who are not Republican, but who may be religious and/or fundamentalists, who have never been rude to anyone here, but who rarely post or have left the list because of the same distinct message. I don't condone anyone being rude and nasty to people here. There are a few people of all stripes here who send nasty and unwelcome private email to others and many who know me will tell you that I have always condemned that. I just wish some people would stop trying to pin the whole issue on their beefs with Marcel, which is also a form of cowardice, and look at the labeling as it may affect the larger group. I'm done. Sorry to those whom I have offended. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:59:44 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Got Till It's Gone Hi all, I just had a Joni moment with MTV -- Janet Jackson's "Got Till It's Gone" video, where she samples Joni singing that line over and over. The one man raps "Joni Mitchell Never Lies" about three times. It was enthralling. The music was very sexy. But I don't understand what the hell the video was about! It was rather eerie visually, and I didn't understand the close-ups of the beaten man. I noticed that Joni had the distinctive honor of being the only Caucasian, via film clip, to enter on the video. Anyone know more about this? Is there a background that I am missing here? To Kate: Thanks for the insight into the record business. I'm glad I'm independent after reading how musicians end up buying everyone else's drinks - -- it SHOULD be the other way around of course. To Artheo, Catman, Jan and all: Having been the brunt of attacks because of certain unpopular views, and having been chastised for my big mouth and outspoken opinions, I have been watching these comments with interest. Honestly, I think that we should ALL BE FREE to say whatever we want any time we want. Generally, I've noticed that if someone crosses the line and becomes too offensive, too denigrating, or too nasty, the others on the list jump in and give the offender a "what-for." I personally love that dynamic about the list. I also love the fact that we're all pretty well educated people, with open minds. And even though opinions and tempers flare, we're all bound by the same muse -- so if we want to be vengeful little goddesses (or gods) sometimes, what the hell? Even with the occasional name calling and flare-ups, we are still more civilized than 99.99% of the general human population!!!!!! Oh, and I don't buy into Venus in retrograde causing all this bickering. It just doesn't work for me -- blaming things borne of human will on planetary spheres. I simply don't believe astrology is all that worthwhile. I guess that makes me a typical Libran, eh? Regards to the stars, the starry eyed, the supernova flare-ups of the list, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:24:24 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Welbutrin NJC In a message dated 3/23/2001 1:15:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << << it seems like Welbutrin is the drug of the millennium >> I like Prozac myself. >> Wellbutrin, an anti-depressant, has indeed been used for adult ADHD because of the stimulating effect it has. But it hasn't actually been approved for ADHD. Don't tell the docs that- Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:17:25 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni books At 8:39 PM -0600 3/23/01, kerry wrote: >This may have been discussed before, but I was checking out Amazon's Joni >stuff and they listed 2 books: "Joni Mitchell Complete", vols. 1 & 2, due to >be published this month. Is this just an updated version of "Complete Poems >& Lyrics?" This is two book guitar anthology. More info can be found at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/songbooks.cfm Don't know about the other one though, sounds interesting! More than likely it's a collection of interviews that Jeffrey did with all of them for the Acoustic Guitar magazine. NP-New Bohemians, 2/24/91-Strange Thing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:23:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #15 Lotto Just a reminder, y'all... A lot of you have made a guess to win a FREE copy of the 2-CD Volume of Joni Covers #15. Alas, many have not. So just in case you missed my post of a couple days ago, shoot me a 3-digit number and maybe you'll win! After all, somebody has to, it might as well be you! I promise that Ed McMahon won't show up on your door. Vad, get with it man, the contest expires Monday night! ;~D Bob NP: Del Beazley, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: Eva Cassidy (NJC) Jimmy wrote: >I just had the television on NBC's "Today Show", and they did a short segment on Eva and her life. They talked about the BBC and her albums being so successful in the UK. Since a lot of Americans watch the "Today Show," I'm sure it will boost her sales even more!!!! Maybe now she'll get the recognition in the US that she deserves. Take a look at what she's doing on Amazon.com right now. Something like 4 or 5 discs in the day's top ten sellers! Amazing! Penny Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:58:42 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: *'Insiders' jab - NJC While I understand the seriousness of this discussion - not a thread - I want to say something about the term "lurker". I am one, but it makes me feel maladroit. I think we should search the JM lyrics for a suitable synonym Brett, the non-maladroit lurker, who wants to meet you all chez Ashara - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of jan gyn Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:56 PM To: Kakki; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: *'Insiders' jab - NJC At 02:02 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Kakki wrote: >Jan, > >I agree preaching to people can be insulting. The constant singling out of >certain political groups or religions around here insults and degrades the >whole *diverse* community. Maybe we should have an official short list of >the people who always have carte blanche to call others religious >fundamental facists and motherf*ckers without anyone raising a peep. Seems >that there is a short list of others who are constantly called out for far >lesser transgressions. I say let's just make it equal one way of the other. > >Kakki Cool school. I don't mind being on a sublist- I just don't want to be monitored for random flaminess or other flamboyant fun; however genteel, or gent(i)le, that monitoring may be. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:04:09 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Hugs I have been totally afraid to turn up at a jonifest, 'cause I have little music al talent. It occurs to me on this discussion that I may be useful. By September, I'll have my full yoga teacher accreditation. Anyone think there'll be time for a little yoga out there? Brett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:09:40 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Hugs NJC One more thing on the Ashara hugs. When I was in Ghana, I needed one, she sent one, and all I could do was say thank you. Teh effect was so magnificent that thanks seemed inadequate. If she is making peace by offering hugs, everyone should close their eyes and contemplate joy. Brett np: the voice of Ashara which I have never heard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:19:16 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Living in and Understanding Communities - NJC YaY!!!!!! on 3/22/01 2:48 AM, hell at hell@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Paz wrote: > >> Did you get the contribution to your ticket fund?? I will add a bottle of >> Tequila (full) to the offer. > > Right. I'm coming to collect it. Does early September suit you? > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:16:42 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: *'Insiders' jab - NJC Tonight's my night. This is intriguing beyond belief. Paul can be a brute, it's true. But he is a genuine Joni lover. Ask him a lyrics question - he knows the lyrics, and he has a well- developed and personal sense of the divine JM. Paul takes heat on the list, but i think it undeserved. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:29:40 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Breaking news! - NJC Well MY DEAR!!! What WERE you thinking???? hmmmmm? on 3/22/01 6:17 PM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is GREAT news!!!!!!!! Holy cow!!!!!!!! Our > little Jonifest that started 4 years ago, with only about 25 people has > certainly grown!! Well, folks, all I can do is quote Arteho: "Well hell! IF > HELL can make it all the way from Kiwilan..." > No excuses from the rest of you!! I expect 800 people on Labor Day!!!! > > Hugs, > Ashara {who is getting ready to hold her hand to her forehead on September > 1st, and exclaim to Paz..."WHAT WAS I THINKING???"} > > P.S. Artheo, there is a wonderful golf course not 5 minutes from here at the > Sheraton, where several JMDLers are staying. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:34:56 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Hugs Brett wrote: > I have been totally afraid to turn up at a jonifest, 'cause I have little > music al talent. It occurs to me on this discussion that I may be useful. > By September, I'll have my full yoga teacher accreditation. Anyone think > there'll be time for a little yoga out there? Oh no! If musical talent is a requirement for attendance, then I'm in big trouble! The only time I ever sing, is when I'm drunk enough to actually think I can, and that's usually when I'm at my worst! I'm coming for the conversation and the music, but only intend to actively participate in one of these! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:40:49 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hugs NJC that COULD be a little uncomfortable for you since I have already booked that space. Move over Rover! Paz NP-12 screaming kids in the other room on 3/23/01 11:07 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/01 1:46:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com > writes: > > << Now, does everyone feel just a little better, and perhaps a bit more > generosity for each other? :-) >> > > Oh yes Ashara you sweetie! I haven't felt any tension personally, but to > show my generosity I'm giving up my bed space for someone at Joni-fest and > plan to sleep in the master bedroom between you and Sal :~) > > always hugs for you! > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:43:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hugs NJC Jimmy I have four words for ay hunny. nyah nyah nah nah HA HA HA AH AH AH AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hee hee on 3/23/01 11:31 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/01 2:15:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM writes: > > << Sorry Jimmy, that space has already been taken by Paz- he got first dibs > on that last year!!! ;-) >> > > But Ashara, Paz probably doesn't own any Cheryl Wheeler CD's. He snores and > rarely bathes :~)........just kidding Michael, you can be SALacious again > this year. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #140 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?