From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 138 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC New Laura Nyro!!/Shawn Colvin ["Christopher J. Treacy" [Richard Goldman ] I guess the shine's off the ring [Don Rowe ] Cat Stevens's later albums(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Cat Stevens's later albums(NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Kashmir Klub NJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: S&L video ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Zealots, (NJC) ["Stevie Mitchell" ] Doobie Tree NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Cat Stevens's later albums(NJC) [Les Irvin ] smoking ["Garret" ] at last! NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Breaking news! - NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni and Smoking & Them Damn Joggers(NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [AsharaJM@aol.com] at last! NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: at last! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Shadows & Light DVD ["Steve Polifka" ] RE: runaway from the record biz ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: runaway from the record biz ["Kakki" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: introduce myself NJC [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: "socially incorrect" (NJC) [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: smokin' (NJC) [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Hell's travels - NJC ["hell" ] RE: runaway from the record biz, nearly njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: stupid bitch NJC (md) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Breaking news! - NJC ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:13:47 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: NJC New Laura Nyro!!/Shawn Colvin Hey all, Just a further heads-up, according to a Rounder Records ad in the new Performing Songwriter the new Laura Nyro CD can be ordered NOW by phone. Also of interest, Shawn Colvin is on the cover of the new issue, and I must say the show I attended at The Bottom Line on Tuesday night was AWESOME. Shawn did mostly the new CD, which I have an illicit advance copy of and is WONDERFUL!!!, plus she played my request ("Four Season's In One Day"), and also let her 2 year old sing "Itsy Bitsy Spider" and "Somewhere Over The Rainbow". The dress was a little odd, as Shawn's outfits tend to be...other highlights? John Leventhal has a NICE ASS! - -Chris NP: Shawn - "Matter of Minutes" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:49:30 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: joni and "Snakebit" Hi, Slouching out of lurkdom to ask a question: I went to see the play "Snakebit" last week, west coast production here in San Francisco at The New Conservatory Theater Center, written by David Marshall Grant (his first ouvre as a writer, though his acting career is well known: he wsa nominated for a Tony for playing "Joe", the uptight closted banker in the original Broadway production of "Angels in America", has had many acting roles, and in film was in 'and the band played on', and and also has the dubious spot in gay US american television as being the first man to appear in bed with another man, as the character "russell" on "thirtysomething" way back when...). So...anyway: he wrote "Snakebit" which had its Off-Broadway premiere in 1998, and just made it California. I loved the play a lot. There are several lines in it which refer to the main character's CD collection: James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan. And before the lights go down, while the audience is filling their seats, the set is exposed, a living room, you hear lots of songs (this particular director's choice I assume): Joni from Blue, James from Mud Slide Slim, et al. I know the script has been published, because they were selling autographed copies in the lobby of the theater, though I didn't get one, so can't quote the lines from the play re: Joni. I was wondering... if there has been a thread already on here about "Snakebit", the play, and references to Joni, ... and if so, could someone point me to that particular archive? I'd love to read about people's reactions/response. I loved the play, and having Joni's music played during our 'seating/pre-lights-do-down' really added to the ambience, as well as the well-timed references to her music, which spoke more about one of the character's sensibilities than about the time/setting of the play (it's set in 1998, in LA). Richard in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: I guess the shine's off the ring So far as the chatroom is concerned. And I must say, it's good to see densely packed Joni-content messages in triple-digit numbers showing up again. It was inevitable I suppose! I'd jump in on this whole smokin' issue -- but you guys already know how much I love DED! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:04:40 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Cat Stevens's later albums(NJC) There are now remasters of all of Cat Steven's albums on CD. I own 2 of his earlier albums,which are supposed to be his best. What does everyone think of his later albums? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:32:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Cat Stevens's later albums(NJC) <> What are you referring to as his "later" albums, Relayer? Where would you split between earlier & later? I bought "Izzitso" & "Down to Earth", both of which I would call "later" records, when they came out & they both sucked major root! Bob NP: Gin Blossoms, "Cheatin'" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:40:46 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Kashmir Klub NJC Hi Kate You wanted to know about the Kashmir? You can go to the website which is www.kashmirklub.com to get an idea. I try to get along there as often as I can, which unfortunately is all too rarely in recent months. It's a small place in the basement of an Italian restuarant just off the Marylebone Road in London. Any folks from abroad been touristing to Madame Tussaud's or the Planetarium? You were sooo nearly in the right place! There is a guiding philosophy to the venue which is to have a place where music exists for music's sake. So there is no money involved. You don't pay to get in. The artists don't get paid to perform. The compare, the sound man, the guy who organises and books the talent - they don't get paid either. The PA was donated for the price of a 'shout'. No money. You might think that the whole thing would be totally 'amatuer' in quality, but nothing could be further from the truth. The quality of the performers is mostly good, and very often completely stunning. The size of the venue means that the atmosphere is very intimate, and you can pick up the most subtle of nuances in a performance, not least because the audience is there to listen and not talk. Several of the performers there have told me that they love playing there beacause they can try out the most delicate songs, and know that they will be heard and appreciated. This is helped by the fact that the PA sound is extremely good. Azeem was the person who intruduced me to the Kashmir, for which I am eternally grateful. I was getting to the point in my life when I was beginning to think that I was actually falling out of love with the first love of my life. I work in a recording studio, and listen to music all day, everyday. I thought I had just had my fill. Actually, it just turned out that I'd just had my fill of certain kinds of music. Many a night at the Kashmir, I've had a wonderful feeling of rediscovery - of that excitement and emotion I used to feel with music when I was younger! The place is getting a powerful 'word of mouth' vibe to it these days, and so I suppose that's how people like Sheryl Crow come to play there. I bet she really appreciated the opportunity to play to a small, attentive audience, with none of the normal commercial trappings associated with 'stardom'. Unfortunately, I missed that night. Dammmn! atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:56:50 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: S&L video Jim (Hi Jim) said.. Hey Steve, In your version of S&L, is the second song "Edith and the Kingpin"? The vhs release (official in the us) is missing this track even tho it's on the box'es list. Maybe they wanted to keep the running time down to 60 minutes, lest viewers overdose on excellence?? I have a copy of this on VHS - it's the Japanese NTSC import version available from CDNow etc. EATK is very definitely on it -playing it now! atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:23:13 -0000 From: "Stevie Mitchell" Subject: Re: Zealots, (NJC) All this talk of smoking and the zealous behaviour of the "anti" lobby reminded me of a Lily Savage (UK drag queen, now hosting prime time quiz shows) monologue in which she said that she had been on a trip to California . . . . . "And there I was in the airport gasping for a fag (just in case you didn't already know, this is UK slang for a cigarette) but they're bloody fascists. You could pull out a gun and no-one would bat an eyelid. Try and light a Lambert and Butler and there'd be a bloody SWAT team bundling you off to jail." I believe that I am a considerate smoker, I wouldn't dream of lighting up in an enclosed space such as a car or someone's house that was a non-smoker. However, I have my rights too! Sadly, not everyone respects other people's rights and allows them to live as they choose. Perhaps if we did, there would be less strife in the world? - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: ; Sent: 22 March 2001 03:36 Subject: RE: Zealots, (NJC) > oh mary grace!!!!!! who are you, baby???? voice of wisdom, eyes of beauty. > i've succumbed to you once again, saturn's child! > wallyK > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > MGVal@aol.com > Enviado el: Miircoles, 21 de Marzo de 2001 10:34 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Zealots, (NJC) > > > I was thinking about Colin's post that spawned from the discussion about > Joni > and her smoking as well as Kakki's observations on the hypocritical > "enforcement" by zealots. > MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:38:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Doobie Tree NJC Kakki, I got the Doobies LP today...thanks, this was indeed the same "Pickwick" LP I bought at Sam Goody's many moons ago! Also on Boston Jim's suggestion I've got the Patrick Simmons solo LP, Arcade, on its way, so I'm looking to seed this tree with these 2 records, the Tom Johnston LP's, and the London concert from their "Livin' On The Faultline" Tour. Should come out to about 3-CD's of stuff! More on this story as it develops! ;~) Bob NP: XTC, "The Loving" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:40:48 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Cat Stevens's later albums(NJC) At 03:32 PM 3/22/2001, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >I bought "Izzitso" & "Down to Earth", both of which I would call "later" >records, when they came out & they both sucked major root! I'm with Bob... I think Cat's last good album was "Foreigner". Beyond that, I could barely listen to them. Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:04:06 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: smoking Hi Marian, Thanks for the insight into smoking and giving it up, obvioiusly that isn't something i can speak about first hand so it is good to hear what it is really like! i do appreciate and admire the amount of effort/motivation/will you have had to use. i do apologise for having made a statement that could be seen to belittle the effort that people like you have made:-) i find the method you used quite novel, it isn't one i've heard before, and perhpas i will suggest it to people i know who are currently attempting to quit! you are of course right, continued smoking behaviour is due to addiciton rather than choice in most cases. and on second thought my calling it a *choice* was inappropriate wasnt it? particularly in light of everything else i said about smoking as a habit and as an addiction!! i guess if someone *starts* smoking with all of the facts, then it is a *choice* to *begin* smoking. and at this point in time this would seem like a foolhardy choice to make. to the best of my knowledge people in the 60s/70s really didnt know all of the risk, so picking up smoking as a habit back then probably never seemed like such a bad idea. when i made that statement i was probably thinking along the lines of Joni's choice is to allow people to see her constant smoking behaviour. this certainly doesnt mean it is her *choice* to actually smoke. i absolutely agree with you as regards Joni insisting on smoking in No Smoking areas. it is ridiculous and quite embarrassing. it shows the prima donna side of our Joni quite well! again Marian(and anyone else), i am sorry!! GARRET ps- who is Ramona?? has she been mentioned on the list before? refresh my memory, if you would. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:05:18 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: at last! NJC Here's a great web site. www.shibumi.org/EotI Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:17:22 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Breaking news! - NJC HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is GREAT news!!!!!!!! Holy cow!!!!!!!! Our little Jonifest that started 4 years ago, with only about 25 people has certainly grown!! Well, folks, all I can do is quote Arteho: "Well hell! IF HELL can make it all the way from Kiwilan..." No excuses from the rest of you!! I expect 800 people on Labor Day!!!! Hugs, Ashara {who is getting ready to hold her hand to her forehead on September 1st, and exclaim to Paz..."WHAT WAS I THINKING???"} P.S. Artheo, there is a wonderful golf course not 5 minutes from here at the Sheraton, where several JMDLers are staying. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni and Smoking & Them Damn Joggers(NJC) Bob! > No way, babe...you'd be such a good conversationalist > I wouldn't want to get out of earshot! ;~D Flattery will get you EVERYWHERE! : ) I don't know about being a "good" conversationalist; I do know I talk a lot! "I'm always talking! Chicken squawking!" Lori with a story, near DC NP: Talk to Me ; ) ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: smokin' (NJC) Roberto wrote: > The cigarette machine had nothing left in > it but Kools, which are unacceptable to even > the most hard-core smoker. Oh great, now you tell me! No wonder I could never get with smoking ... I was smoking Kools from ages 15-18! :~ My best friend from high school still smokes Kools, passionately and religiously. She's been after me for years to start up again (I come from a strange family and place in Ohio where one is considered odd if they DON'T smoke). Lori (with yet another story) near DC NP: Colin's least but one of my most favorite, Paprika Plains ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:33:54 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking Christopher wrote: > my joni BSN show was the oakdale theater in > wallingford, ct (anyone else?). no sight of joni > smoking and i was close to her - so close... :) > I was in the second row center in CT with many of my JMDL buddies including our dear Kenny, may he rest in peace, and I seem to remember saying to Patrick that it was amazing that she didn't smoke at all through the whole thing!! (Patrick, am I remembering that right, or is old age quickly seeping through?) Anyway, too bad we didn't know you then, Christopher! You could have joined us for a great evening of dinner and show!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:36:27 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: at last! NJC Sorry about that last post, folks. This is the corrected URL: www.shibumi.org/eoti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:58:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: at last! NJC LOL!!!!!!! so funny, mark!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or Travis Enviado el: Jueves, 22 de Marzo de 2001 11:36 p.m. Para: joni mitchell Asunto: at last! NJC Sorry about that last post, folks. This is the corrected URL: www.shibumi.org/eoti ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:17:51 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: Shadows & Light DVD Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:53:48 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: S&L video >Hey Steve, > your version of S&L, is the second song "Edith and the Kingpin"? The vhs >elease (official in the us) is missing this track even tho it's on the >box'es list. Maybe they wanted to keep the running time down to 60 minutes, >lest viewers overdose on excellence?? Hey Jim, The extra footage is indeed Edith and the Kingpin, and Hejira. During Hejira was Joni skating in a beret, a Crow like shawl, around an ice skating man to does an almost interpretive style throughout the song. She also lip-syncs to some of the lyrics. ( There was no concert footage of hejira at all.)I love it! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:38:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: runaway from the record biz I know that's what she says. I just think it's uh.... incorrect. Let's break it down. If she wasn't making money, she'd find a way out of her contract. She's not a victim; she's a survivor. Now the record company. Record companies are not benevolent. They tell her that her records lose money so that they don't have to GIVE her any. Remember Springsteen's flap with Columbia? They maintained that they owed him little or nothing for "Born To Run" which was a very big record. When CDs were first released, the industry floated the rumor that CDs were expensive to buy because it cost a record company $5 to make one. That's ridiculous! Where I work, we recently contracted a promo CD for a radio station. The person in charge of production told me that the printing, cutting, folding, and stuffing of the cover cost _more_ than the CD pressing. I'm not believing it for a minute. No offense to those accountants and bookkeepers in the record industry. Some of them are among my friends! This one goes out to Davis, California: Mwahh! Lama > From: susan+rick [mailto:rnsc@direct.ca] > Joni has stated in interviews that none of her records have ever > made money. > The only reason she can make a living from music is that she owns the > publishing rights to her music. > > Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:36:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz But Lama, you are contradicting yourself here: > I know that's what she says. I just think it's uh.... incorrect. Let's > break it down. If she wasn't making money, she'd find a way out of her > contract. She's not a victim; she's a survivor. > Now the record company. Record companies are not benevolent. They tell her > that her records lose money so that they don't have to GIVE her any. You're saying they don't give her any money, she says she doesn't make any money. But remember most all these comments from her are with respect to the Geffen era. She and Geffen had a strange business trade-off, I think. She made no money but keeps her name/art out there; he mades no real money in the short term but gets to claim her as a prized trophy (class-added value) to his label. But his advantage is that he can get the slow but steady profits over time from the catalogue. I always thought it was obvious that Geffen did virtually nothing to promote her. Warner/Reprise has done much more in the past few years. The people who pick up Hits or the Grammy-winning BSN are likely to add a few from the Geffen pile to their collection. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:26:15 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking In a message dated 03/21/2001 8:34:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << I'm curious as to how many of us who saw Joni during last year's BSN tour also saw her smoke on stage. I did not. >> Coyote Rick responds: I have an opinion about Joni's integration of performing and smoking. You all (or y'all to my Southern pals) must remember Bette Davis' penchant for smoking -- and how she worked it into her image. I think our own Joni may be doing some of the same. Case and point. At the Los Angeles (never resort to referring to my city as simply L..A. around me, but El Lay is cool!) and the Chicago concert, she integrated her habit at *exactly* the same time on stage - just before, Troubled Man - her encore. At the Chicago concert, where I could see her facial expressions much better, I saw her grin knowingly, as if we all expected her to show up with a fag in her hand. Like she was giving us what we expected. At the Los Angeles concert, my (non-Joni and semi antismoking) boyfriend said, "She does this cigarette thing for the image, huh?" I flashed on that in Chicago, and I think that's true. It seemed kinda orchestrated to me. On some video, I saw her smoking as well. This was sometime in the 1980s and I said to myself, "Oh no, Joni, you can hold off till the cameras stop." Maybe, it's the Hollywood spin machine, image makers coming out in her. I certainly don't doubt she loves her fags, but I think it's a lot about her public persona. It worked for Bette - set her apart. Coyote Rick (who lit her cigarette once, last summer in a smoking prohibited zone) (stb) Casa Alegre Hollywood, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:36:24 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: introduce myself NJC In a message dated 03/22/2001 5:11:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, Artheobeat@aol.com writes: << And a fundamentalist religious fascist, but perhaps just can't escape his upbringing << rest of us are gay men. >> or lesbians trapped in men's bodies >> Coyote Rick Responds: A new IVPAUL among us? Coyote Rick (stb) Casa Alegre Hollywood, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:41:50 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: "socially incorrect" (NJC) In a message dated 03/22/2001 8:03:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << (Keep mine on ice, Coyote!) :) >> It's all waiting for you, buddy. Coyote Rick (3 posts in 1 day!!) (Stb) Casa Alegre Hollywood, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:48:56 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: smokin' (NJC) In a message dated 03/22/2001 12:41:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Jimmy (trying to cut down some before I get out to California) >> Coyote Rick Responds: Don't bother, Jimmy, I'll show youthe way Coyote Rick (Stb) Casa Alegre Hollywood, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:03:37 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Hell's travels - NJC Wow! A HUGE thank you to everyone who's offered me accommodation in the US so far - I'm afraid a few of you may be disappointed, and will in fact get a visitor! The rest can breathe a sigh of relief that they were spared Hell (quite literally)! Seriously, thank you so much to those that have offered - I'm really quite overwhelmed! I wish I could visit everyone, but finances and time constraints mean I'm going to have a fairly small "window" of travelling time, so must make a direct a route as I can. Next time though...... Thanks again Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:03:40 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: runaway from the record biz, nearly njc It's none of my business.... but..... I thought she was saying that she wasn't making money on the _sales_ of her records, but instead made it on the _royalties_ of her songs. Was she saying that she made money from the royalties from the DED songs but not on the album sales? My take is that uhhmmmmm... "the industry" was uhmmmm.... riffing her. (I'm not gonna point at any one individual as some of us have very real alliances and paychecks to guard.) I mean, if the Cowboy Junkies can make money on their own label, on their own records, why can't a big fish (who'll remain nameless), who presumably can get better price breaks on EVERYTHING from sleeve printing to pressing, to "parties for the press" make money on a small release? Look at the JMDL artists. Are they ALL losing money? (I hope not and I really doubt it.) Look at the burgeoning indie movement. If there's no profit to be made on small runs, how do you explain that? If I have an ax to grind it's that the industry (not naming names) has given Joni a complex about not making money and I for one, do NOT believe one word. She thinks that the Public (what ever that means) has turned its back on her. (Yet paradoxically, she knows that she's a survivor in a flash-in-the-pan world. How could she "survive" if people have "forgotten" her?!?) It could be also that she's in a delicate position and doesn't want to brag about her wealth. It's unbecoming so she goes around saying, "Ohhhhh.... I'm not making anything!" It's a posture very popular in farming communities where they live quietly on the family farm and when the kids are old enough, SURPRISE!, Ivy League college! (My first love, circa 1975.) Anyway, this pauper attitude is coming from a former prairie girl who lives, let's remember, in Bel Air! I don't really care how much she's worth. To me, her worth in this world is her WORK, not her WEALTH. Lama > -----Original Message----- > From: Kakki [mailto:KakkiB@worldnet.att.net] > But Lama, you are contradicting yourself here: > > > You're saying they don't give her any money, she says she doesn't make any > money. But remember most all these comments from her are with respect to > the Geffen era. She and Geffen had a strange business trade-off, I think. > She made no money but keeps her name/art out there; he mades no real money > in the short term but gets to claim her as a prized trophy (class-added > value) to his label. But his advantage is that he can get the slow but > steady profits over time from the catalogue. I always thought it was > obvious that Geffen did virtually nothing to promote her. Warner/Reprise > has done much more in the past few years. The people who pick up Hits or > the Grammy-winning BSN are likely to add a few from the Geffen > pile to their > collection. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:13:38 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: New label, 100% SC, NJC; was Re: Smoking Les, don't you think this smoking thread has gone on long enough? (Harrumph!) Can't we get back to the good ole days when we discussed American Presidential Politics and Gay Marriages and the Death Of God, and most of all, hanging chads? I think it's time to institute a new label, NSC, or No Smoking Content. That way, we non-smokers, who are clearly superior to our weaker, smoking cousins, can enjoy a smoke-free environment. What do you think? Lama thisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajokethisisajok e ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:36:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz So unless you write, if you're a smaller artist, you can't make money. So how did Margo Timmins buy her farm? What has Jonatha been living on? John Hiatt? How did David Lahm get to make a second album in a wonderful but restrictive niche market of Jazz fans who know Joni? If it's impossible to make money on a "short" run, then the entire CD industry in the UK is losing money and actually folded decades ago despite appearances. :) The assertion that Joni's albums don't make money just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. My two cents, Lama Ranger Rick remembers: *************** Joni has stated in interviews that none of her records have ever made money. The only reason she can make a living from music is that she owns the publishing rights to her music. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:55:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: stupid bitch NJC (md) This post can only mean one thing. Don Rowe is now posting as Marcel....... "Marcel" said, > It is 4:30 am . Why is it I feel a sense of deja vu...........marcel giggling, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:40:56 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Breaking news! - NJC Artheo wrote: > Well hell! IF HELL can make it all the way from Kiwiland, then I might make > it from Eugene, OR (the last true strong hold of hippiedom here in the good > ole USA) - provided there will be someone there who will go golfing with this > old fart long haired golf addict (my other addiction besides cigars). Well, I am an ex-golfer (used to have a handicap of 15, so not too shabby) but I'm not sure there'll be time for golf! Hope to see you there, in any case! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #138 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?