From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #134 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 134 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- mistaken identity ["Paul Castle" ] *Joni and smoking [hilary@geko.net.au (Hilary Rhodes)] [none] [Gordon Mackie ] Songbird (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [catman ] Re: runaway from the record biz [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: *Joni and smoking [MGVal@aol.com] classic hits sale ["kerry" ] Re: Songbird (NJC) [catman ] Zealots, (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: *Joni and smoking - now NJC [catman ] Re: The other side - NJC (md-2) [Heather ] Re: *Joni and smoking [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: byt remix favorite [christopher blake ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin (NJC) [Heather ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni and Smoking [James Leahy ] Covers, Volume 15!! Kudos to Simon! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: *Joni and smoking [Jerry Notaro ] Covers #15 Lotto - You could be a winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Kakki's take on smoking [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: Songbird (NJC) [mags ] Joni anagram [Jennymac48@aol.com] Joni and Smoking [James Leahy ] Jonatha radio NJC [Alison E ] Re: Shadows and Light DVD [Jerry Notaro ] Re: the other side njc [Alison E ] Re: *Joni and smoking ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: *Joni and smoking [Jerry Notaro ] Re: *Joni and smoking ["Mike Hicks" ] smoke gets in... [christopher blake ] Songs To Aging Children Come [Steve Dulson ] Re: smoke gets in... [Jerry Notaro ] NJC- Brian Andreas' Storypeople- READ THIS!!! ["Adira Gorelik" ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? [Catherine McKay ] Re: smoke gets in... [catman ] Re: Joni and Smoking [catman ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? [Catherine McKay ] Re: *Joni and smoking ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? - Now NJC [Jerry Notaro Subject: mistaken identity Jodcrazee@aol.com wrote: >I just finished reading Stacy Ludwig's book "Joni Mitchell Companian{sp?} and Scott sp@olympus.net wrote: >I also remember she was slightly annoyed at not being given a chance >to proof the *entire* book prior to its publication. Unfortunately, typos happen - but the biggest insult is to misspell the author's name on the cover of the book - her name is Stacey Luftig. ^ In a previous incarnation, I was responsible for checking the galleys for a book with a 40,000 print run. When the final printed copies arrived (all 40,000), I excitedly opened one, to immediately spot the word 'Forward'. Gulping and hot flushing like crazy, I rushed to check the original proofs, only to find that they were correct, ie 'Foreword'. To this day, I've no idea how this happened, but I was still condemned to the land where the buck stops - and still turn bright red whenever I see a copy. Pal Castle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:06:46 +1100 From: hilary@geko.net.au (Hilary Rhodes) Subject: *Joni and smoking Hi (out of lurk mode), I accept that Joni is addicted to this stuff, and read that she tried desparately to give it up. I also know many smokers who, because they cannot stop it, wear it as a badge of defiance. I suppose for me, it is an irony that Joni, who is a person who is very conscious of environmental degradation, appears (and that is the operative word) to glamorise the habit, which is so desctructive on so many levels, especially with regard to the use of land in many struggling countries, where arable land is used for these cash crops. Maybe she too, is making an ironic statement , who knows. To an onlooker, it could be perceived to be glamourisation. Joni appears in public smoking, holding cigarettes on record covers, posters and in her own paintings, therefore, I don't think it is wrong to discuss this, and it is our business and should be honest about it. I feel sorrow for her in this regard. From what I have seen of what it does to others, smoking does cloud logic, especially in those who are very addicted. Maybe Joni just cannot help looking glamorous with whatever she does. Although I have never smoked in my life but I realise how addictive it is, having lived with smokers, during a greater part of my life (one of them being my father). I (fortunately) never took it up, having a very devastating asthma attack, which was most probably life threatening. My father had chronic bronchitis and I realised early on that I had the same genetic propensity for this. I do not write this to pass judgment about what Joni does, but the message at large that concerns me, and now the subject has been aired, so to speak, I am 'coming out' and posting my thoughts on the matter. I do not love her any the less for it, I am just very sad about it, that's all. Regards, Hil >This may be, for you old-timers, worn territory. But, I have often wondered >why Joni feels it so necessary to ingrain the fact that she smokes so >indelibly into her public persona. http://www.geko.net.au/~hilary/Index.html http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5014 "If Music be the Food of Love - Logon!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:47:56 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: [none] cassysweet@msn.com stated... For me, the bars in her head are music bars. That makes sense to me too as the next line refers to them (the bars) 'beating'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:31:49 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Songbird (NJC) Jacky Gertus@aol.com wrote >I first learnt about Eva from this list....snip... What a phenomonon! Loved your story, Jacky (and mags, off list) Thanks. I've just heard that they will be showing the Blues Alley footage for the first time on the main 'Top of the Pops' show this Friday - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1231000/1231741.stm I didn't mention before, but Eva's version of 'Rainbow' was also used in last Friday's 'Comic Relief' fundraising evening on BBC 1, to accompany some particularly harrowing film of the plight of the Rwandan people in Africa - in particular, to help the families of women who contracted Aids, having been raped during the 1994 genocide. I know it was this that got 'me' off my arse to phone in my credit card number. Whilst they are still receiving donations at http://www.rednoseday.com, that evening alone they received over 22 million GBPs. I wrote to Laura saying that I thought this was the greatest testament to her wonderful music so far, and Laura wrote back to say that she would send my e-mail to Eva's parents, who would be so proud. >Also coincidentally, Paul, I was studying your album cover this evening, as >my daughter is at the final stage of preparing art work for a cd had friend >has just made, and we were checking to see if anything vital had been >missed off! One of the most important things (often left off) is to include the 'accurate' running time of each track on the back cover - particularly if he or she is hoping to get some airplay. DJs need to know this so that they can schedule their shows. Also, website and e-mail address is a very good idea these days. I would recommend reading these guidelines - http://www.folkradio.org/howto.html and scrolling down to 'CD Packaging' - whilst this is an article with advice on how to get airplay on 'folk' radio shows, the same advice holds true for any genre, I think. Also, if all the material is original, encourage them to take the time to join The Performing Rights Society to ensure that they get their dues - see http://www.prs.co.uk. If the CD includes covers, advise them to be sure to get clearance from The Mechanical Copyright Protection Society - see http://www.mcps.co.uk >Looking forward to meeting up with you at the Kashmir in April. Me too. As I told you privately, you just never know who might turn up there. Last Saturday night Sheryl Crow and her band made a surprise appearance there playing to an audience of under 100 (which included Chrissie Hynde and Emmylou Harris). Apparently Sheryl played an acoustic set including 'Run Baby Run', 'If It Makes You Happy' and 'My Favourite Mistake' amongst others. Also, apparently Paul McCartney turned up a while back "to see what the vibe was all about." Joni's not in town working on her latest album, is she? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:38:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Bottom line is people should be so zealous about > tackling the more important big issues, IMHO. ;-) Too true! John does not like to go to the cinema where he cannot smoke. It doesn't bother me. i can happily go without. It alos provides me with a good guide as to how good the movie is - if I startt to want a cigarette it isn't that good! You cannot smoke of aircraft anymore. My trip to Boston back in 97, 7 hours without a fag. BUT I was far too scared to have smoked one anyway! Strange I know, but if I am reallly uptight, I can't smoke, nor drink nor eat. Smoking isn't good, obviously, but the risks associated with it are far, far less than some would have us believe. There was research done here that siad that smokers overestimate by far the risks of it. You know, we aren't supposed to smoke, eat red meat, fat(and i am someone who eats a huigh fat, high protein, low carb diet whose choleseterol has gone DOWN), we are supposed to excercise daily(when studies have shown that 1 hr's walking ACCUMULATED in one week is enough for your heart, and in fact 1 hr or so in the gym a day does not make your heart any fitter than that 1 hr walking!). It is time doctors and people face d the fact that we are all mortal and therefore we will all die and their is nothing we can do about it. The modern climate of constant health warnings pours a lot of neagtivity into our consciences, makes people worry about it which is not good for health! People will always die prematurely for a host of reasons. We have constant ads here ont v etc dstating that 1 in 3 people will get cancer. Now that is not helpful. Instilling fear of this sort is not helpful. Look after your heart and die of cancer. I know which i'd rather die with. Due to the health climate, people now feel guilty for getting sick as it must be their fault! Poo! So they think if they become good, follow this recipe or that, this philosophy or that, they will recover. When they don't they die with guilt and shame for having got sick. Bad. Instead we should live today the best we can, take care of ourselves reasonably without obesssion, and be thankfuul we surbvived another day. None of has the right to live a day, let alone 90 years. Be thankfull for what we have. I have lived 42 years, it amazes me. i might live another hour, another 42 years, who knows? But I will live whatever I have the best I know how, and be happy and grateful. I know what misery is and it ain;t worth it and it is somewhat optional! It takes a lot of hard work to change but it is well worth the effort. Life is for enjoying, and those of us who are in fortunate circumstances, sould take every advantage of that and be grateful for our blessings. At least we are not the victims of genocide or famine or war right now. > > > Kakki - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:35:18 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: runaway from the record biz - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nuriel > how can a runaway from the record biz stand on the grammy's stage and kiss > bono? what can be more biz in the record biz than u2? a true runaway from the > record biz would have stayed at home that night. > yours, > Nuriel > It's a good question but I doubt if Joni would choose to hang out with a tosser like Bono. I read here that she left the show early. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:32:23 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking << Oh get over yourself! If you were actually lucky enough to be graced by the presence of one of the greatest artists of our time you'd call her on smoking! Go sit in your own smoke free room without Joni in it! Sorry, I don't think that superior artistry gives someone the license to indulge in their addiction to expense of others. Kakki pointed out that for the Sasakatoon opening, she was probably nervous and that the her smoking wasn't the best for the paintings and wasn't going to really harm them. And she's certainly correct about that as well as her point, (and Colin's, I believe), that it's too bad that people don't worry more and be more zealous about larger issues when they nitpick on smoking. However, just because there are people who are hypocritical when it comes to maintaining the integrity of a smoke free environment, doesn't mean that it's not a real issue. It certainly is a health issue for many people and a legitimate concern. One of my co-workers suffers terribly from severe asthma. She accepts that people smoke and expects to have to deal with it. However, in a "smoke free" place, she expects to be able to breathe without hassle. It's horrible to watch her gasp for breath on a rainy day after she's run through the work entrance where the smokers congregate under the front awning. So yeah, if Joni was smoking around me where I expected to be able to breathe freely, I'm not going to wheeze in silence while she puffs away. If I ran into her outdoors or some other smoking place, I would put up or shut up. I would also like to take this opportunity to say that my experiences with smokers is that they have a real tough time of it from anti-smoking laws to high taxes on tobacco to social ostracism. And in my gatherings with list smokers, they have never been anything less than courteous and considerate with their smoking. >> (This may seem harsh, but enough already of this smoking police crap! And I don't even smoke!) >> Didn't see that many posts by this and I think it is less smoking police and more someone just brought up a discussion of Joni's habits/addictions. I've not seen any get too sanctimonious about this, (except for me but people who smoke in "smoke free" places can drive me nuts), no one has said, "I'm better than her because I don't smoke." MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:42:02 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: classic hits sale Amazon.com is having a "classic hits for $8.99" sale. Lots of Joni, classic rock, pop, blues, etc. (note - Joni is listed under "folk") Damn, I was just giving my credit card a rest! Happy shopping, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:32:29 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Songbird (NJC) It seems I got confused. I thought this was Laura Nyro but it appears to be eva Cassisy whom I have never heard of! Paul Castle wrote: > > > > I didn't mention before, but Eva's version of 'Rainbow' was also used > in last Friday's 'Comic Relief' fundraising evening on BBC 1, to accompany ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:33:43 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Zealots, (NJC) I was thinking about Colin's post that spawned from the discussion about Joni and her smoking as well as Kakki's observations on the hypocritical "enforcement" by zealots. I grew up in an outstandingly apathetic family, (okay, we would get pretty self righteous about who got the last slice of Taylor's Ham, but that's another story), and now live in an outstandingly activist town. If there's one group staging a sit-in about animal rights, there's another group holding a protest march about affirmative action as well as many groups in between with pros and cons. And I see this: For every study and every passion, there's going to be a "down" side. Into being a vegan and eschewing animal products? Who is going to stand up for the rights of the migrant workers who pick your cotton and produce your fiber/non leather products in developing countries and live in substandard conditions? Into maintaining the old growth forests? Who is going to stand up for loggers and their families who have no other means of support and need retraining and a new economy? For every study on the perils of second hand smoke and nicotine addiction, there are going to be people outside the bell curve who live to a healthy old age. For every study that shows people lose weight and live longer on high protein, low carbohydrate diets, you'll find many who do the same thing on low protein, high carbohydrate diets. Heck, you'll even find some people living large and healthy on a diet of Ring Dings and applesauce. For every person you can find who will stand on one side and cheer loudly for a cause, you can find their opposite in passion for the other viewpoint as well as their companion in apathy. I believe that this means that we all need to pick our passions and our poisons with the understanding that it is a wide, wide world out there with many different views and reactions. I believe that this means it's important to stand up for our rights and our viewpoints with integrity and courtesy. There's nothing wrong with firmly believing that you are correct, there's everything not so right about putting others down because of an opposing view point. And even with that sentiment, there are points that exist way outside the bell curve. Okey doke, now I'm late and outta here. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:35:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking - now NJC > Or more seriously - I wonder how many road accidents are the result of > people trying to light up, or dropping their cigarette in their lap while > driving? a good point > And how many fatal fires in homes are caused by cigarettes? The survey was aboiut DIY, I think rather than fires, but yes, I would think many are caused by careless smokers. One good thing about rolling your own-they go out if not puffed on! > > > atb, > Martin. In London. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:51:15 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: The other side - NJC (md-2) LOL!!!!!!! Thanks Marcel. Heather At 08:10 AM 3/20/01 -0500, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: >If you guys think all this is hurting my feelings you are wrong. For i have >innoculated myself against such blasphemy by listening to my collection of >IVPAUL42 quotes on CD. I shall now don my Michael Paz mask and costume and go >forth into the world where total strangers will shower me with love. And I >will bring a big bottle of Harp beer with me for good luck. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:54:38 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking In a message dated 3/20/01 11:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Last I knew smoking inside was allowed in New York (although perhaps not in > I went outside to smoke, but then later learned that you could smoke in the lounge area of the ladies room. I recall Joni explaining during an interview that smoking was like eating and breathing to her. I can relate to that. This morning I was out of cigarettes and I was a nervous wreck until I got to the store to buy some. I watched my mother who was a life time smoker stuck on a ventilator. She had bronchial asthma most of her life, but continued to puff away. I think that after a while we become unaffected by the dangers we engage in. I watched my mother die and I lost a brother to lung cancer and still I can't give it up. Is this self destruction or are we such creatures of habit, I ask myself? Rose in NJ ready to light up another rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:56:38 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: RE: byt remix favorite - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, i love #1 and the beginning of #5. after a > while they all kind of > merge into the same thing in my head. > wallyK > hi wally. i must say that agree with you about the merging of the mixes - i knew that i wasn't alone:) > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > christopher blake > Enviado el: Martes, 20 de Marzo de 2001 04:46 p.m. > Para: joni chat > Asunto: byt remix favorite > > > i'm new but am wondering if i am alone trying to > discern my favorite byt remix from that "friends" > re-mix cd featuring (i believe)7 mixes of the tune. > just figured i would throw that out there... > -peace > christopher > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:56:21 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin (NJC) ACCCCCCCCCK! LOL!!!! The tears from laughter are all over my keyboard! Heather PS -I'm also a huge Tomlin fan. At 03:18 PM 3/20/01 -0500, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >I really appreciate everyone's input on EATK. It's one of my favorite songs, >but I never bothered to read the lyrics very carefully. > >You see, I always thought it was "Edith Ann, the Kingpin", and I pictured >Lily Tomlin sitting in a big rocking chair dressed as a drug lord. :~) > >I did at least tag this NJC, and that's the truth ....tttthhhhhhhhh > >Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:59:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/21/01 12:20:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > Again it sounds like Joni here. Doesn't she sleep until mid-afternoon, and > stay up all night?! > > Yes, hell, she's nocturnal. I think she stays up all night to paint and play with her cats. - -Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:25:04 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni and Smoking Shelah Rogers, the host of CBC Radio's This Morning show, told a story recently about an interview she did with Joni back in 1994. One of the conditions of the interview was that Joni be allowed to smoke during the interview in the CBC's non-smoking studios. Being a huge fan, Shelagh agreed. After the interview, Shelagh was informed that she was going to be fined for allowing smoking in the workplace. The man who "turned her in" was none other than Shelagh's own husband, the show's producer. At the end of her story, Shelagh stated that "Ever since then, Joni Mitchell has put me $10,000 in debt." As for me, I smoke. I wish I were a nonsmoker, but I don't want to give it up because I'm afraid that it's become so important to my whole being that something dreadful would happen to me if I stopped. I smoke outside the gym after my workout. I'm always getting comments from people who feel that this activity is somehow ironic, given the circumstances, and that they have the right to comment on it. My reaction is somewhat like Joni's. It makes me even more rebellious. I guess what I'm really rebelling against are their middle-brow, unoriginal minds -- couldn't they talk about something more intriguing, like the weather? Criticizing smokers is health fascism at its worst. It's such an easy target, a mom-and-apple-pie issue. Some of my critics go jogging into downtown streets, sucking up all that CO2 at great rates, damaging their knees and jolting their spines. Then they go off to the bar and get pissed. I can only laugh. Now don't get me started on people and their cars! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:07:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers, Volume 15!! Kudos to Simon! Now that (hopefully) the "smoke" has cleared, I want to mention the latest volume in the burgeoning "Covers & Contributions" series...The 2-CD Volume 15! Now I won't go any further before I acknowledge the contributor for the ENTIRE SET!! Simon has opened the vaults and mastered a true gem of a collection here. Also, as he is blessed with a King's ransom worth of audio equipment, the sound quality here is par excellence! So, thanks to Simon for his gargantuan efforts - much appreciated! He's also arranged these chronologically instead of the Muller "throw them up in the air and see how they land" method! ;~D Without further ado...here's what on the discs: CD#1 1. George Hamilton IV – Both Sides Now 2. Courage of Lassie – Urge For Going 3. Madeline MacNeil – Urge For Going 4. Almaz Yebio – Song To A Seagull 5. Julie Adams & The Mountain Stage Band – Cactus Tree 6. Julie Adams & The Mountain Stage Band – Urge For Going 7. Singers Unlimited – I Don’t Know Where I Stand 8. Tir Na Nog – Songs To Aging Children Come 9. Claire Hamill & Andrew Warren – Both Sides Now (Pop Mix) 10. Dianne Reeves – Both Sides Now (Live on KCRW, 6/16/95) 11. James Durst – For Free 12. Klaudio & Rico – He Comes For Conversation 13. Cam Clarke – Rainy Night House 14. Sugar Beats – Big Yellow Taxi 15. Big Country – Woodstock 16. Spin Doctors - Woodstock Disc #2 1. Random Maxx – Carey 2. Marian Hoiting Kwartet – Carey 3. Frente – Blue 4. Jeff Stewart – River 5. Naked Barbies – River 6. Willowgreen – River 7. Angie Palmer – A Case of You 8. Caroline Lavelle – A Case of You (Remix) 9. Caroline Lavelle – A Case of You (Psovi Psovi Mix) 10. Rachel Bissex – The Last Time I Saw Richard 11. Legiao Urbana – The Last Time I Saw Richard 12. Alexandra van Marken – See You Sometime 13. Bill Laswell – Twisted 14. Robin McElhatten – Twisted 15. Ellen Johnson – Twisted 16. Stevie Salas – Amelia 17. Uptown – The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 18. Dawn Aitken – Be Cool I won't go into 'review mode' as there are so many delicacies here...suffice to say that if you're a fan of the series, this is DEFINITELY one you want. If you're not a fan, this one may sway you. After all, it's sorta naive in my opinion to think that only Joni can bring depth & insight into her music... I know what you're saying..."OK Bob, stop flappin' yer yap and tell me how I too can possess these man-made treasures"...as always, it's easy: 1. Send me (2) 80-min CD's in a padded mailer with return postage included. Don't send jewel cases, they just crack and drive up the postage. 2. Send me $8 which will cover the costs for everything. 3. Send me a trade list; maybe we can trade! 4. Euros, contact John van Tiel and get in line! ;~) Any other countries/continents, contact me privately and we'll work it out...I just got through sending a couple volumes to a cool JMDL'er in Africa, so there are NO boundaries in JMDL-land... 5. There is no #5. 6. If you want to get any of the previous volumes along with these, lemme know - I'm happy to oblige! Mail stuff to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 Be sure to include a note reminding me what you want. Your discs will come back to you nicely labeled and with an insert so you'll know what's on it. And yes, I will be giving a set away...see the next post for details! ;~) Bob NP: The Front Porch Swingin' Liquor Pigs, "Wrong Yo-yo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:09:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking MGVal@aol.com wrote: > > > HOWEVER, it less that she is a "poor" role model and more that she seems to > insist to smoke regardless of where she is. If you watch the Saskatoon > videos, there she is, smoking in a "smoke free" art gallery. Why? > > If you watch the TNN Tribute to Joni Mitchell, there she is, puffing away in > a theater that is "no-smoking." Pretty darn rude to the other people in the > theater to say nothing of a safety hazard. > > No matter how much I like Joni and admire her art, having her puff away in a > space where I expect to see smoke free would have me calling her on it and > fast. Now, now, Mary Grace. Our dear Joan is an addict. That is quite clear. Nicotine is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed to smoke. So they make a rare exception for her. I feel more pity for her addiction than anything. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:11:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #15 Lotto - You could be a winner! OK...for your free copy of the 2-CD "Covers" Volume 15, just e-mail me (privately) a 3-digit number...that's it. Whoever's closest wins. If it's a tie, you both win. If 800 folks all guess the right number, well, I'm really screwed! ;~D The contest will end at Midnight, Monday 3/26...I won't announce who's leading until the end. Ready...set...play! Yours Truly, Wink Martindale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:12:04 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Kakki's take on smoking Right on, smokin' Kakki Mama. How many people actually caught cancer at the gallery or tribute??? Ohmigod!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:17:27 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Songbird (NJC) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > < (mostly Mags), I bought "Songbird". I played this wonderful album for many > of my friends and family. They've all gone out and purchased the CD, so I am > helping her sales. >> thank you so much for saying that Jimmy. How could I not share my love for Eva Cassidy's music here? Impossible. As I have mentioned in prior posts...it is phenomenal that each and every time I play her CD at work, we sell out of all of them right then and there. Everyone wants to know... "who IS this??". Clients and coworkers alike. thanks to the generosity of a get well gift from our Dutch Uncle, Brian and I have an even better sense of Eva. After listening to a very touching, moving BBC programme about her, my understanding is that she was quite humble about her many gifts and talents. The personal stories moved us to tears. Still. I encourage everyone who does not know her music to allow Eva to enter your heart for you will remain ever changed...touched by something that goes well beyond any words my writerly heart could express. Knowing that she died at such a young age makes me so very sad. A terrible, terrible loss. Eva Cassidy is indeed a precious jewel, a rare songbird. Her music is haunting and uplifting all at once. mags. np: Eva Cassidy, I Know You By Heart, Songbird > > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:14:22 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Joni anagram Here's a fun free site I found. I looked up anagrams for "Joni Mitchell" AnagramGenius.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:36:35 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni and Smoking "Can we blame it on the smoke, This sudden borderline?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:34:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Jonatha radio NJC for those of you who are familiar with sonicnet, jonatha brooke now has station set up so you can go and listen to the people that inspired her, influenced her, or that she just likes i guess! anyway, so far, i have heard joni (of course!), radiohead, todd rundgren, jane siberry, and david lanois. pretty interesting mix! a little insight into the mind of one of my favorite musicians... alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:35:29 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Shadows and Light DVD The DVD is supposed to contain a 5.1 mix and a stereo mix. I assumed Steve was listening to it in stereo mode. That is, in most cases, preferable to the remixes I have heard on DVD's. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > Thanks for the review, I think that is the first one I have seen. > What did you mean by: > > The picture is excellent and I give the sound a B plus- only because it is > just going through a stereo. > > The DVD is in stereo, not 5.1 surround, right? Why wouldn't the > sound be great if it's going through a stereo? I don't understand. > Anyway, thanks for the review, I'll be dropping by.... > RR > > Steve Polifka wrote: > > > Hi all! > > I just recieved the S&L DVD from and ebay auction. It is so cool! It has > > the 15 minutes of extra footage not in the original video release. > > The picture is excellent and I give the sound a B plus- only because it is > > just going through a stereo. > > To one interesting note that I need to share is that they have a 'bio' > > section on JM. It is the first 3 paragraphs that Wally wrote about her on his > > website! (I just checked...) How did that happen? > > The DVD is c 2000 by Panorama video out of Hong Kong. Looks like an > > official release. I belive it is a region 1, but the seller said it was an all > > region disc- doesn't matter- I like it. > > I paid 35 for it- considering I spent 50 for the S&L Japan release a few > > years ago, not bad. Highly recomend it! > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:04:35 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: the other side njc - --- evian wrote: > OK, Fess up y'all -- there has to be someone else > here besides me who > will admit to owning a Sigue Sigue Sputnik album! > C'mon, tell it like > it is, babies! > Evian ok, evian, i will cop to it. i owned a cassette (!) of their first (only?) album. i was young and careless, and liked to dance. what can i say???? alison e. in nyc np: gr. dead, blues for allah Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:15 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:09:11 -0500 > From: Jerry Notaro > To: MGVal@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Reply-to: Jerry Notaro > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed Not necessarily true. R.J. Reynolds merged with Nabisco. They have their hands in lots of things we enjoy....Hawaiian Punch, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Smirnoff Vodka, Planters Peanuts, just to name a few. I have to admit I have mixed feelings about tobacco. My father retired from R.J. Reynolds. I also worked my college summers there. Tobacco paid some of my college tuition. However, I am a non-smoker. Have never smoked a whole cigarette. Both parents smoked. I kinda take the attitude that people can do what they wish, just don't bother me with it. ("fall mountains just don't fall on me") Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:14:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking Mike Hicks wrote: > > Date: > > > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed > > Not necessarily true. R.J. Reynolds merged with Nabisco. They have > their hands in lots of things we enjoy....Hawaiian Punch, Kentucky > Fried Chicken, Smirnoff Vodka, Planters Peanuts, just to name a few. Yes, but tobacco stocks as a whole have all survived the latest crash. So I don't think it was the peanuts or the punch. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:30:42 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:14:23 -0500 > From: Jerry Notaro > To: Mike Hicks > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > Reply-to: Jerry Notaro > Mike Hicks wrote: > > > > Date: > > > > > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > > > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed > > > > Not necessarily true. R.J. Reynolds merged with Nabisco. They have > > their hands in lots of things we enjoy....Hawaiian Punch, Kentucky > > Fried Chicken, Smirnoff Vodka, Planters Peanuts, just to name a few. > > Yes, but tobacco stocks as a whole have all survived the latest crash. So I don't > think it was the peanuts or the punch. > > Jerry What I'm saying is that the stock certificate reads RJR/Nabisco. So they are in good shape either way. I don't know about Phillip Morris or the other companies. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: smoke gets in... where were all of you when i smoked? now i'm 50 days a non-smoker and folks the world over support smoking. you would think 'Empty (Try Another)' would be getting more votes for favorite song on the jmdl site :) peace and love -christopher Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:53:07 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Songs To Aging Children Come Kakki wrote: >WOW Mark, once again you get the platinum star. This is perfect and I will >now appreciate the song in a much greater way. Well, here's a dreaded "Me too!" Excellent, Mark! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:56:10 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: smoke gets in... christopher blake wrote: > where were all of you when i smoked? now i'm 50 days a > non-smoker and folks the world over support smoking. > you would think 'Empty (Try Another)' would be getting > more votes for favorite song on the jmdl site :) Actually, that is why I've always loved that song. Joni, repetitiously caught in an inescapable cycle with all of its high cost. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:03:37 -0500 From: "Adira Gorelik" Subject: NJC- Brian Andreas' Storypeople- READ THIS!!! Hey, my name is Adira and i love joni (in fact yesterday I just sang "A Case of You" at a coffeehouse at my school-- i'm 17, it's high school-- because i think more young people should be introduced to her wondrousness -- SIQUOMB!) Anyway-- I just wanted to tell all the creative joniphiles out there about one of my Favorite artists- his name is Brian Andreas and he makes these AMAZING painting/story prints that capture everything that makes life worth living. His website is www.storypeople.com and it's great-- try doing a search for a word (a fun word.) Talk to you guys soon-Love, Adira - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:11:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking > is just as addicting as alcohol or heroin. According to research it is mopre addictive than heroin and harder to give up"! > That's why RJ Reynolds stock is the > one that hasn't nose dived recently. She probably won't appear if not allowed > to smoke. So they make a rare exception for her. I feel more pity for her > addiction than anything. > > Jerry - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? OK, now I'm really confused. Someone else (Cassy?) asked me whether it was an audio or a video DVD. I thought a DVD WAS audio. What the heck is an audio DVD and how does it differ from a CD? - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > I think they must be referring to the upcoming > "Audio DVD" release of the BSN studio recording by > Warner/Reprise on April 6th. > > -Julius > > Catherine writes: > << I was browsing the CDNow.com site under Joni > Mitchell > and came across a DVD of "Both Sides Now" (they have > it down as "Both Sides No".) > > Does anyone have any idea what this video is? Did > they film any of the BSN tour? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at > http://mail.yahoo.ca Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:13:22 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: smoke gets in... 50 days is brilliant! keep it up! christopher blake wrote: > where were all of you when i smoked? now i'm 50 days a > non-smoker and folks the world over support smoking. > you would think 'Empty (Try Another)' would be getting > more votes for favorite song on the jmdl site :) > peace and love -christopher > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:16:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni and Smoking > It's such an easy target, a mom-and-apple-pie issue. Some of my critics > go jogging into downtown streets, I have always been puzzled as to why people jog along side busy roads, breathing in all that shit form the cars! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:19:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? Catherine McKay wrote: > OK, now I'm really confused. Someone else (Cassy?) > asked me whether it was an audio or a video DVD. I > thought a DVD WAS audio. What the heck is an audio > DVD and how does it differ from a CD? DVD audio uses the high capacity of DVDs to store far more music information. Because of this, DVD audio can play back music either in two-channel form, the way CDs do now, but with much higher resolution, or in six-channel form using a surround sound system. Currently, CD audio has a 44.1kHz/16-bit bit rate, while two-channel DVD audio is 192kHz/24-bit playback. Six-channel is 96kHz/24-bit, meaning the six-speaker mix of music is higher quality and has greater depth than two-channel compact disc. The higher frequency and bit rate mean much better audio range for the music, allowing for more depth and all kinds of subtle, softer details to be heard. The narrow bit rate of CDs means only so much data can get through, so a lot of subtleties are lost. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:34:52 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Indigo Goilz NJC > I actually read that they try and spend as much time away from each other as > they can, outside the group, since they don't want to get sick of each > other, and want to make sure they keep performing for as long as possible! > They have separate groups of friends and separate social lives. Sounds kind > of strange to me, but as long as it keeps them together, who am I to > complain! A housemate of mine from a few years back is good friends with Emily, and when I was living there I would see her pretty frequently, and she was always very nice. Amy was never with her. I attended a party once with a friend of mine there and I was the only guy among 30+ lesbian women. Needless to say I felt a little out of place but I did manage to have a good time. :>) I do intend to invite her(Emily) to the house concert I'm doing with Kate. I think it would be really cool if she could come. This month, in the local magazine "Stomp and Stammer", they have Amy Ray on the cover and an interview with her. If you'd like a copy, Hell, I would be glad to mail one to you. Victor still sleepy from a night of Monopoly and nickle Poker Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? Umm, OK, Jerry, whatever you say (what???????) so the sound quality should be better but most of us regular shmoes (like those of us who didn't know there was such a thing as an audio-only-DVD) wouldn't notice the difference, would we? (esp. if we have cheap audio equipment?) (Damn, I was hoping it was a video!!!) - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > > DVD audio uses the high capacity of DVDs to store > far more music > > information. Because of > this, DVD audio can play back music either in > > two-channel form, the way > CDs do now, but with much higher > > resolution, or in > six-channel form using a surround sound system. ..... > The narrow bit > rate of CDs means only so much data can > get > through, so a lot of > subtleties are lost. > > Jerry Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:44:54 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: *Joni and smoking . I feel more pity for her > addiction than anything. > > Jerry There are worse things to be addicted to. Jerry Garcia struggled with a heroin addiction and it got him in the end. I definately feel for her. I have never smoked a cigarette in my life and I am thankful for that. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:45:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? - Now NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > Umm, OK, Jerry, whatever you say (what???????) so the > sound quality should be better but most of us regular > shmoes (like those of us who didn't know there was > such a thing as an audio-only-DVD) wouldn't notice the > difference, would we? (esp. if we have cheap audio > equipment?) Yes, you will need a DVD Audio player. They are being integrated into many DVD/CD players. The other format out there now is Sony's, SACD, super audio compact disc. Both formats have their champions and their detractors. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:46:21 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides *No* video (DVD)? WOW! Jerry, ya sure know your stuff! Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:59:00 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: joni and smoking (now njc)and driving > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:19:19 -0600 > From: evian > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: joni and smoking (now njc) > Reply-to: evian > Hey smokers, quick question: Is it just me, or do you seem to form > bizarre smoking relationships with other smokers? I notice that since I > am a guilt-filled smoker who breaks down in tears 2 hours after each > quitting attempt, I seem to just hook up with people I meet who smoke -- > IN MY CAR! I think it's just you. I was driving into work, and was smoking my little brains > out (I was driving the old car today, don't tell my wife I was smoking > in it, ok?) and I see this woman who I don't even work with, but who > works in the same building, and I suddenly roll up the window and put my > smoke down, because running through my head was "She always sees me When I'm on the road I avoid smokers that are driving like the plague. It has to be a distraction. I have seen so many smokers make mistakes while driving that when I see someone driving carelessly I immediately look to see if they were smoking. They also tend to smoke to think and clear their minds. Clearly not thinking about their driving responsibility. Now, this is just my opinion, and I'm positive there are those of you out there that are good smoker/drivers. Hey, it may even make you a better driver. Huh? Mike ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #134 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?