From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #130 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 130 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Edith and the Kingpin [IVPAUL42@aol.com] still I send up my prayer (NJC) ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: NJC aerobics [Barbara Hirahara ] Re: The other side - NJC [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: still I send up my prayer (NJC) ["Kakki" ] re: The other side NJC [Gerald McNamara ] Re: Edith and the Kingpin [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:08:50 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/19/2001 11:35:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << My favorite line is this:"His right hand holds Edith, his left hand holds his right What does that hand desire that he grips it so tight?" Except that you misquote the line, which is: "His EYES hold Edith; his left hand holds his right. What does that hand desire that he grips it so tight?" As those of you who attended the very first Jonifest in Pittsburgh know, EATK is one of my favorites. I've always wanted to turn it into a mini-stage play or Greek drama. Or at least a nice music video for VH1. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:26:16 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: still I send up my prayer (NJC) Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep.... Recently, people were talking about where the prayers go. I think that if you take the time to pray to God, God will definitely take the time to listen. And, when you are truly in line with God's will, every prayer will be answered. No matter what attributes you choose to ascribe to God, based on your own religious beliefs, any prayers you make definitely have a place to go. You can call God whatever you want or make your God in any image -- the God of the Bible, Allah, the higher power or great spirit or even "she" as Colin chooses to do. The results are still the same because you are lifting your prayers through your own highest power to a more universal power, and thus making a connection to God. Just by doing so, you benefit. Prayer has a definite purpose, and I don't know anyone who hasn't done it at one time or another -- even the staunchest of agnostics and those who create their own personalized religion outside the realm of the traditional concept of God. What are the alternatives to prayer in time of need? Worry, perhaps? Self pity? Trying to figure it all out in your head until you can't take it any more? Lighting a candle? In my old headier, hippier days, I thought it was necessary to expand my concepts, explore the possibilities of alternative religious thinking. I went to different churches and circles and universal dances and ashrams and whatever. However, it always boiled down to a pure God who CAN be prayed to. I liked the people in the different groups, and the different theosophies were stimulating, but God just doesn't fit into a formula for me. All the other stuff seemed like just practices invented by people as a way of relating to God on different terms. The many-faced dogmas of Christianity. The world of religious principles found in non Judeo-Christian faiths. The modern conglomerates of spirituality espoused in hundreds of "new age" books. The eclecticism of piecing together ancient religions. They pretty much constitute mere opinion and ritual. When your ass is hurting, you're still going to "call out and clamor to be found" by the greater power of the universe. And, I believe your prayer has somewhere to go after you dispatch it. It took me a long time to come to terms with that. I came from a mixed Irish family (Northern Irish Protestant on one side, Irish Catholic on the other) and, growing up in a mix of oil and water, I never really knew whether I was floating or sinking. I have never understood how so much animosity exists in religion from Belfast to beyond, like the current destruction of priceless Buddha statues in the middle East. The killing of missionaries. Genocide. The Crusades. Thousands of years of arguing. Religious factions always seem to bickering. In America, it seems to be the liberals versus the religious right. Like the bumper stickers on cars -- the fish contains the word Jesus, then someone puts feet on the fish and spells Darwin, then a bigger Jesus fish comes along and eats the Darwin fish. I think they're hilarious, but very sad commentary on the fact that we haven't "evolved" past fighting over whose way is better. Heavy-duty critics of Christianity decry past religious wars and dominant patriarchy and narrowmindedness and other scary things. They claim the Christian religion is outdated, but sell books on unlocking the mysteries of ancient Egypt or using the Tarot as an alternative. In turn, devout Christians blast people they consider pagans and naturally bring up the Biblical promise of hell. Then, of course, a growing group of Wiccans claim that the hell-and-brimstone dark-age Christians tried to put an end to their "age-old" peaceful rites. Then Christian archeaologists point out that there is no evidence of any major goddess religion that fits Wiccan practice until Gardner "invented" it from scraps of folklore. Then someone else says something against the Bible. Then the Bible is used to put that someone else back in their place. Then someone else again accuses the Christians of being narrowminded, and it's back to square one. >From evolution to abortion clinic bombings to modern holy wars to reforms, everyone still seems to have a stand, and a negative opinion of other people's stands. Starhawk says this; Pat Robertson says not that. And, as the joke goes, fifteen Rabbis still come up with sixteen different opinions. But, none of that religious opinion has anything to do with prayer. In fact, if more people simply prayed instead of coming up with arguments to burst other people's religious bubbles, I would venture to say God would be a lot happier. If I should die before I wake.... Good night folks. The harper's stepping away from the podium (it's been a while since I ranted, though, so maybe this is just a temporary relapse or something...) Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:33:35 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: NJC aerobics How about "Raised On Robbery"? Barbara Hirahara P.S. Congrats and thanks for the www. Very interesting, more later. > > Unfortunately, I know of no Joni music set to an aerobic or step aerobic > beat and not even sure if there is any Joni song that lends itself to an > eight count (or 32 count) repeating beat, so if anyone can make a > suggestion here, I'd appreciate it! > > (the Rev) Vince (grapevine, bring it back, 2 knee lifts right, 2 knee > lifts left, right lead V, reverse V, left lead V....) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:35:15 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: The other side - NJC Hell wrote: What artists/albums do you own, that are the furthest removed from Joni? Coyote Rick responds: Donna Summer (Lots) Guess Who? Propellerheads (One or Two) Led Zepplin (All) Pet Shop Boys (All) Three Dog Night (Most) Dionne Warwick (All) Swing Out Sister (All) Cher (Lots) Club 69 (All) Todd Rundgren (All) Black Box (Couple) Jethro Tull (All) Belle Barth (All) Rusty Warren (All) and....Claudine Longet. Now for the Joni-side. Just kidding! No regrets, (ok, maybe the Belle Barth) Coyote Rick (often taken for a gay man) (stb) Casa Algere Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:52:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: still I send up my prayer (NJC) Excellent, Harper! This should be published. Tell it like it is. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 7:10:22 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: re: The other side NJC from Sydney, space cadet John wrote: >And, while I'm here, some music I like that is different from Joni >would include: > >Soft Machine, "1 & 2". >Gong, "Angel's Egg" & "You". >Can, "Future Days". > >And, lots of Australian music that no one (except maybe Gerald in >Melbourne) would have heard of - not even Hell, as she's much too >young! :-) > Hey John, don't forget that Daevid Allen, founder of both Soft Machine and Gong, originally came from Melbourne. Do you reckon we can we still claim him as an Aussie ?? Do you think the Australian Tourist Bureau would want to ??? -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:12:52 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and the Kingpin In a message dated 3/20/01 1:15:57 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << you misquote the line >> You know, IVPAUL, I remain on this list despite your constant over-the-top negativity and cruelty to others. You are the only one in the JMDL family who consistently posts insulting and just plain mean responses to the people here, often newcomers. Isn't there anything you can do to become more humane? Why are you so angry? Why do you want to hurt people? I pray that you're not a parent, because I would grieve for the children of a person like you. You're just too mean and ornery, IVPAUL. For your own sake, lighten up. There is so much good here on the JMDL. Can't you see it? And if you can't see it, please go away. There are lots of discussion lists that would welcome your anger. Do a search -- Keyword: Hate. --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #130 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?