From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #124 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 124 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mural of Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: delete [catman ] Re: delete [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: delete/NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: delete (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Distractions (njc) ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: Distractions (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Tinkers (Absolutely NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: how's it done? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: deletenjc [catman ] Hissing Demos ["Gerald" ] RE: Joni Piano Music ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Apologies from the USA. NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: delete NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "throbbing light machine" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hissing Demos [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "throbbing light machine" [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Distractions (njc) [Les Irvin ] Re: "throbbing light machine" (md) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Steve Poltz NJC ["Garret" ] Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums...and some questions [Jason Malone] Re: throbbing light machine NJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Mural of Joni NJC [Barbara Hirahara ] Re: Distractions-Macht Nichts(njc) [Barbara Hirahara ] Re: throbbing light machine NJC [Barbara Hirahara ] Re: "throbbing light machine" [Artheobeat@aol.com] Subject: Tinkers (Absolutely NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] This Just In!!! ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: "throbbing light machine" (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re:what is folk music? NJC( long) ["Garret" ] NJC-Woody Guthrie [Kammass@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #86 ["Craig" ] Joni, Dylan, Van Morrison - well, nearly! [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re Joni tribute album ljc ["joe farrell" ] The Throbbing Light Machine [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: "throbbing light machine" (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] lookin for a book [RPWieloh@cs.com] Re: Re Joni tribute album ljc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] hear your own audio inside an abandoned grain silo in montreal [jan gyn <] RE: throbbing light machine NJC ["patrick leader" ] Fw: Washington Warning NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Mr. Music NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Happy St. Patrick's Day from the Harper (NJC) ["Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: Mural of Joni Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Oh my Gawd Barbara! Mike's Munchies - that's where my friends and I went out on "special occasions" when we were starving poor in our 20s! I lived in Seal Beach - on10th Street - from '76 - '79. I had to moonlight back then painting dolls' heads at night just to afford gasoline and Joni albums ;-) Where did they re-open - in Marina Pacifica? Kakki > In my 20's I spent a lot of time with good friends listening to Joni. > We used to frequent a sandwich shop in Long Beach called "Mike's > Munchies." It first opened in the very early '70's on Long Beach > Boulevard. You had to be hip to know what the "Munchies" part of the > name meant. I was saddened by its closure as it was in my favorite "pan > handling" area and they served great soup. > > I was hitching a ride with friends one day and a driver picked us up and > asked if we would like to go to lunch. He took us to Mike's Munchies, lo and behold > there was a bigger than life sized mural of Joni on the wall. Mike's > had reopened in a very exclusive shopping area near Hwy. 101 between the > Naples area and Seal Beach. They played Joni quite often. Anyone else > know of it? I would love to hear of it. > > Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:11:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: delete Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm How charming. Sarah Thomas wrote: > Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > i wanna gt off this fucking thing > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:24:02 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: delete Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Sweet little Sarah wrote: << i wanna gt off this fucking thing >> Sarah, in the future when referring to battery operated appliances or small farm animals, please don't forget to use the NJC tag. ......and be a do bee, not a don't bee :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 05:39:38 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: delete/NJC Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm jimmy wrote, "...battery operated appliances or small farm animals..." LMAOROTF!!!! love it, kammy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:43:09 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: delete (md) Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Can we get Sarah and IVPaul together somehow. Maybe Celine Dion could sing a duet with Michael Bolton at their wedding. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:49:57 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: Distractions (njc) Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Les, Sorry if you're offended, but I'm with Terry. The link lines at the top of the posts really slow down reading the list from Microsoft Outlook. Instead of being able to scroll the messages and read them in the preview screen, we now have to stop and access the message itself and scroll past the link lines for every message. It takes two or three times as long to catch up on the posts now. It would be great if they were moved to the bottom, where they would still be seen. I wasn't going to say anything, but since I'm not the only one who doesn't like the lines, I'll join the chorus! Regards, Harper Lou - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: Distractions (njc) > Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > > Heyo, > > Am I the only one who's terribly distracted by: > > << Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm >> > > Les, any way you could put that at the bottom of the e-mails? > > Picky picky Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:13:19 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Distractions (njc) Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > Heyo, > > Am I the only one who's terribly distracted by: > > << Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm >> > > Les, any way you could put that at the bottom of the e-mails? > > Picky picky Terry No, you aren't the only one. I have a small monitor at home and now have to scroll down for every message, rather than scanning the beginning for content. I think if it could appear at the bottom it would be more helpful. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:15:44 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Tinkers (Absolutely NJC) Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Steve wrote: > They also call our music "lovely"...ah! I feel good! > You **should** feel good, Steve!! I have both Tinker CD's, and they are WONDERFUL!!!!!!! Congratulations!! Anyone who does not have these CD's, contact Steve now and add them to your collection! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:19:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: how's it done? Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Rich wrote: > Hi All, I'd like to try the chat room, I've done all the registration > stuff,loged in, now how do I actually get to the elusive chat room? From > what > I have seen posted in the Digest other folks have had some > problems. Rich, it sounds as if you have done everything right, but maybe when you logged in there was no one around. Keep trying at different times, and you should find someone there. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:31:08 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: deletenjc Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > Sweet little Sarah wrote: > > << i wanna gt off this fucking thing >> > > Sarah, in the future when referring to battery operated appliances or small > farm animals, please don't forget to use the NJC tag. > ......and be a do bee, not a don't bee :~) > > Jimmy Jimmy-what has got into you? LOL! You should see the picture this conjures up in my mind! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:44:55 -0600 From: "Gerald" Subject: Hissing Demos Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- "Paul Castle" Wrote: Bob, you omitted to say that I sent you that as a 'thank you' for your jaw-dropping generosity in sending me the amazing 'Hissing Demos' - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Would anyone be able to make this available to me? How can I get a copy of the Hissing Demos? Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:41:19 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Joni Piano Music Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Martin said:- > Does anyone know if there is any sheet music for piano available of Joni's > songs? A big Joni fan I know is stumbling along, learning piano with the > usual classical stuff, but I think she would get a big, big boost if she had > something like River, or The Last Time I Saw Richard written out in dots > infront of her. Some of the stuff in "Anthology" sounds accurate enough when played on a piano. Some of it doesn't. So if you can scare up a copy of that, it's a good start. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:44:53 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Apologies from the USA. NJC Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Paul C. (Welcome back to the fold! We missed you very much!) wrote: > CANADIANS: We are a lighthouse. Your call. > When Sal and I were on Vancouver Island last summer, we had lunch in this very small out-of-the-way place, and this was posted on the wall. It is just too funny, and brought back wonderful memories of that trip. Thanks for posting this, Paul! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:51:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: delete NJC Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm <> Thanks so much for the introduction, Sarah, and looking forward to.....aw, forget it! And, a lil' bit of trivia...this is exactly what George Jetson said at the end of the X-rated "Jetsons Movie" when he was stuck once again on his treadmill... ;~D Bob NP: Earth, Wind, & Fire: "Star" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:58:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "throbbing light machine" Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm << Could anyone explain to me what this is?I''m dying to know...>> Boy, Relayer, that's a succint but an excellent question. I've just been thinking about this song (Songs to Aging Children Come) as well from listening to the cover on #15 from Tir Na Nog. The melody of this song seems very unusual for Joni. Maybe it's not. I'd love to hear from the musicians out there who play this song if the chordal structures are unique in any way. Speaking of ignorance, I too am baffled by the introductory lyrics. I'll post them here, and think about this today. I'd also appreciate anyone's take on this verse/this song... Through the windless wells of wonder By the throbbing light machine In a tea leaf trance or under Orders from the king and queen Bob NP: EWF, "You and I" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:01:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing Demos Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm <> Gerald, I'm happy to make copies of the Hissing Demos, the James Taylor concert, The Second Fret sets, and anything else you may be interested in. Let's talk. Bob NP: Kyle Eastwood, "Stanley Hill Dr." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:06:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "throbbing light machine" Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I'd also appreciate anyone's take on this verse/this song... > > Through the windless wells of wonder > By the throbbing light machine > In a tea leaf trance or under > Orders from the king and queen I've always taken it as drug reference. And the "throbbing light machine" the strobe light effect brought on by some psychedelic drugs. Falling down a well, like Alice. "tea leaf trance" seems in line with that. And orders from the king and queen, another Alice In Wonderland reference, which was quite a popular book in the drug culture when Joni wrote this. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:22:21 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Chat: how's it done? (md) Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm One of the problems could be the fact that the Java Applets need to be "enabled" on your computer. I can get into the chatroom with my laptop but not with my new PC because the PC says that Java is not enabled. Any techie out there have some info that will enable my java. (Jimmy keep your jokes in your pants on this one please). I already tried to go through the browser properties. It seems that at sometime in the past I downloaded some software that java'd my laptop buy havent been able to do it on the PC as yet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:36:18 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: The Hitcher's Story Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm Thought I'd resend a story I sent to the list on November 26, 1998. Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:32:40 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Joni meeting of long ago (LONG...) Thought I'd pass along this story for our holiday enjoyment. MEETING JONI MITCHELL - by Rick Scott Singer-songwriter Rick Scott is one of Canada's best known dulcimer players. He's developed his own unique style of playing dulcimer and has released 10 albums. Rick performs concerts for all ages around the world. "In 1971, I was hitchhiking with my wife Sue, my friend JR Stone and my dog Mousse up the Sechelt (Sunshine) Coast of British Columbia. It was tough for three hippies with a dog to catch a ride, but after about half an hour a woman driving a beat up Ford Pinto pulled over. Big and shaggy, Mousse immediately climbed into the front seat and laid his head down in the driver's lap. JR slid in next to him, Sue and I got in the back and we headed off down the road. The woman was patting Mousse's head and complimenting us on what a nice dog he was. She asked us how far we were going... about 30 kilometres to Pender Harbour. Between her question and our ability to answer, there was a group realization that the driver was Joni Mitchell. Each of us took turns trying to articulate the name of our destination, but all that came out was stammering. When we finally managed to tell her, she said she could take us almost all the way but she had to stop off at Lord Jim's Lodge to pick up a friend. She said they might go to the pub and if we were still hitchhiking when they came out they would give us a ride the rest of the way. I think we just sat there staring at Joni Mitchell stroking Mousse's head. I was fantasizing that in the next life I might be lucky enough to come back as a dog. When we got to the turnoff she pulled over and as we were getting out she noticed my instrument case and asked what it was. When I told her it was a dulcimer she said, "Way out, can I see it?" The next thing I knew she was examining my dulcimer with great interest. JR Stone is a soft spoken North Carolina mountain man of few words, so I volunteered the information that he had built my instrument. She beamed at him and examined the dulcimer even more closely. After a few minutes she asked if he would build her one. With a great deal of difficulty he finally managed to answer. "Sure." As Joni left us, she renewed her offer to take us further later and asked JR where she could find him. We told her where we would be for the weekend. We couldn't believe what had happened and didn't think we'd ever see her again. Nonetheless, we stopped hitchhiking and just stood by the road. An hour later she came back down the road with her friend in the passenger seat and stopped to pick us up. Paying no mind to the passenger, Mousse jumped onto his lap and settled back down with his head on Joni. We all squeezed in the back and she introduced us to Graham (Nash). She drove us to Pender Harbour and the next day came to visit to discuss dulcimer specifications with JR. I was amazed when she took up my dulcimer, tuned all the strings to the same note and proceeded to play, "A Case Of You" from her "Blue" album. It seems 'less is more' is a very dulcimer thing. Over the next three weeks JR built her an exquisite mountain dulcimer. But it took him another week to deliver it because he was so shy. She was so delighted she paid him a hundred dollars more than his original quote, which I think was $300. Over 20 years later, in 1996, I was reading a Rolling Stone article about Joni and in the accompanying photograph there she was with JR's dulcimer hanging on the wall behind her. I must admit I felt a twinge of jealousy that JR got in Rolling Stone before I did. JR Stone still lives and builds amazing instruments in Boone, North Carolina. He has built me several four string dulcimers and a 6 string and bass dulcimer as well. Happy Holidays, Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:41:13 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: "throbbing light machine" (md) Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm This is one of my absolutely favorite Joni songs. Yeah I know it got smoked and chided in the song rating on the JMDL two years ago but I have always loved the song because Im a singer and the beauty of the vocals entrances me just as the Dawntreader has always done. I looked it up in both her songbook and the Tab page on JMDL and there always seems to be a chord missing that is on the record but what has been printed doesnt seem to strike my ear as correct. I have found chords NOT printed that work. I have a good ear as many of the listers could attest but this one has me stumped. Having said that I would suggest that this song came from the era when Joni first went to New York. Many of the songs on her first two albums orignated from that "New to new York" experience like Marci and Chelsea Morning and Nathan La freneer. I believe that this song is filled with the images of New York. As such I can only speculate that what she seems to be describing in the song is something ! akin to the Times Square area an d the pinball parlors that she may have encountered or a visit to Coney island. The quasi Olde English atmosphere melody and harmony lines and lyric imagery juxtopposed to the tacky big city imagery seems to fit in my mind. Others may get something completely different out of it. Thats cool. My take is below. Songs to Aging Children by Joni Mitchell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Through the windless wells of wonder By the throbbing light machine In a tea leaf trance or under Orders from the king and queen Songs to aging children come Aging children, I am one [[[When i read this the first thing I pictured was the arcade at the Santa Cruz Amusement park. ]]] People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies {{{Marcel: Sure sounds like a video or pinball arcade to me. Was it Jonis first trip to Coney island which would have had big colourful signs of Royalty imploring hapless visitors to see the two headed snake? Personally being into music as much as I have been i have marveled at the incredible Caliopes in the merry g-rounds Ive seen and I to have noticed that those there couldnt care less. Think about it, How do thise things actually work ?.One of the mysteries of life to me.I treied to actually get off the things and go into that little room in the middle and the guard threw me out before i learned the secret. )) Songs to aging children come Aging children, I am one Some come dark and strange like dying Crows and ravens whistling Lines of weeping, strings of crying So much said in listening ((( People in the tacky "mirthful" atmosphere of the amusement park trying to escape some problem or spoiled relationship yet wearing the face of the dejected amidst the joyful sounds of the kids.?? Joni is a super sensetive person and if her innate sensetivity and poetic ability was combined with something like a first vist to Coney Island or Times Square theres no telling where these images could have actually come from))) Songs to aging children come Aging children, I am one Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy Dying roses will they will their Perfumed rhapsodies to me (((In the 60's there was alot of gratuitous imagery included in lyrics and i could give many examples. Joni was at this point a young songwriter and not as developed as she obviously was to become. She could have simply put together words that sounded wonderful as the final verse as these do or she could have had meaning behind them but like the strange etching on the wall of the Incan Master discovered by the archaeologist we may never know for sure. Who cares by this time the harmonies have me entranced)) Songs to aging children came This is one Ultimately I think Joni was experiencing the first pangs of awareness that you are leaving total youth behind. Far away from home. Not yet successful. A woman alone not very far removed from giving up Kilauren. I believe that if you have that experience where you go back to visit a place (like an amuselment park for instance where when you were small it was so filled with true wonder and you are now an adult it tends to make you feel older than you are because you are really experiencing the end of innocence forever. Of course Joni could always call me personally on the phone and set me straight as per the true meaning (hope hope hope). Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:48:53 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: "throbbing light machine" Relayer211@aol.com asked: >Could anyone explain to me what this is?I''m dying to know... Ah, sigh, all you mere children who missed going to concerts in the '60s! :) Light shows were an integral part of rock events then... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:56:20 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Distractions (njc) At 05:49 AM, 9,354,976 people wrote (re the extra lines): >Sorry if you're offended, but I'm with Terry. Sorry folks. Those lines are supposed to appear inside the headers - not within the actual message. It's a problem with the software system that I have not been able to resolve yet. From this point on, I'll remove them until I can get it to work properly. Les - unoffended ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:52:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "throbbing light machine" (md) <> Boy, what an excellent take, Marcel, and it makes sense just as the other 2 distinctly different takes I've seen have. I was surprised you didn't mention "Midway" which appears on the same record. It could very well be that the experience gave birth to twin songs. Bob NP: The Eels, "Selective Memory" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:42:43 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Steve Poltz NJC I was tempted to post this late last night, but decided that it'd be slightly more coherent at a somewhat more reasonable hour. I went to a Steve Poltz's gig last night, at a small Dublin venue called Whelans. I had seen him once before as teh opening act for jewel, at which time he was very impressive so i was expecting a good night. I wasn't let down, in fact, he was superb. I could bore ye'all to death telling every joke he told, retelling the stories behind every song, but i wont! he was chraming, funny, and the audience loved him. keeping matters current, he sang a song he made up after being disinfected at the airports! 'twas very funny, in all fairness! he also did his version of Jewel's hit "you were meant for me", which he co wrote, he told how he remembers telling Jewel she could have that one because it was crap! next thing he knew he was getting six and a half cents in royaltys! surprisingly, as one of the many encores, he did tlc's "waterfalls", which he learned because of his unfatuation with Lisa Lopes! he did a kick-ass rendition of "teh rocky road to dublin" a song i've been trying to learn for years, and just cannot for the life of me remember no matter how hard i try! i guess he was overwhelmed by the audience reaction; he kept saying that he was expecting about eight people, and even then he didnt think they'd respond so positively! i'll just add that i totally recommend you see him if he does play in your area. i bought his album, and am currently acquainting myself with it! i'm a little disappointed because there was one song that he sang that i absolutely loved (well,actually, there were numerous songs that i loved) that isn't on the album. it's possible that it's an old rugburns song, or will be on his next album. problem is, i dont know what he calls the song! of course, i should add that the many of the other songs i loved are on the album. and one question: anyone on the list heard of Steve Poltz?? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:15:44 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums...and some questions Hi all, I'm a bit late on this one, so forgive me.. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > This is this guy's most flagrant error...BYT is NOT Joni's only single, and > he mentions this as a fact not once but twice. Anyway, like I said a week or > so ago, there's not a good resource that I know of available on the internet > that has the complete listing. Bob, I'm thinking this guy is referring to Joni's UK hit singles, of which BYT has been her only entry (#11, 1970). Saying BYT is her only HIT single (UK-wise) would therefore be correct, but for some reason he's forgetting to make the distinction. I see a lot of incorrect statements and misinterpreted information about hits-vs-single releases on most music sites and in print publications. Not enough people check their facts. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:11:05 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: throbbing light machine NJC Steve Dulson wrote: "Ah, sigh, all you mere children who missed going to concerts in the '60s! :) Light shows were an integral part of rock events then..." Ah, yes! I particularly liked the overhead projectors with the water!. I suppose it was food colouring or dye that was dropped into the water and these wonderful patterns of colour were whirling round the screen and stage. Fond memories!! Thanks Steve Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:19:41 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: Mural of Joni NJC Oh my Gawd! Mike's Munchies is no longer operating and Marina Pacifica is a dump. My brother still lives in Long Beach and when I visit I try to do a little "shadow dancing" and feel out my old haunts. I no longer drink (serious allergy) so the clubs have a really different feel to them. Then you are probably familiar with Strawberry Fields "head shop" and the Association, Cosmos and Opus 5 folk clubs. I used to hustle pool at Big John's. Did you ever attend the St. Patrick's Day parade from Kelley's Bar in Naples to an Irish bar in Seal Beach or was it vise versa. I love this! Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara Kakki wrote: > > Oh my Gawd Barbara! Mike's Munchies - that's where my friends and I went > out on "special occasions" when we were starving poor in our 20s! I lived > in Seal Beach - on10th Street - from '76 - '79. I had to moonlight back > then painting dolls' heads at night just to afford gasoline and Joni albums > ;-) Where did they re-open - in Marina Pacifica? > > Kakki > > > In my 20's I spent a lot of time with good friends listening to Joni. > > We used to frequent a sandwich shop in Long Beach called "Mike's > > Munchies." It first opened in the very early '70's on Long Beach > > Boulevard. You had to be hip to know what the "Munchies" part of the > > name meant. I was saddened by its closure as it was in my favorite "pan > > handling" area and they served great soup. > > > > I was hitching a ride with friends one day and a driver picked us up and > > asked if we would like to go to lunch. He took us to Mike's Munchies, lo > and behold > > there was a bigger than life sized mural of Joni on the wall. Mike's > > had reopened in a very exclusive shopping area near Hwy. 101 between the > > Naples area and Seal Beach. They played Joni quite often. Anyone else > > know of it? I would love to hear of it. > > > > Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:25:26 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: Distractions-Macht Nichts(njc) Macht Nichts, if we're voting, it makes no difference to me. I am totally enamoured with all the folks here, no complaints. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:33:58 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: delete NJC I am falling on the ground laughing, I know there is some sort of computerese for this state of mind but I've never been one to indulge in anagrams. I think this is the first time I wish I knew what that paticular anagram was so I could let you know HOW VERY FUNNY YOU ARE! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm > NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm > > <> > > Thanks so much for the introduction, Sarah, and looking forward to.....aw, forget it! > > And, a lil' bit of trivia...this is exactly what George Jetson said at the end of the X-rated "Jetsons Movie" when he was stuck once again on his treadmill... ;~D > > Bob > > NP: Earth, Wind, & Fire: "Star" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:54:51 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: throbbing light machine NJC Um... actually it was colored oil in in colored water, very sensual. Barbara Hirahara Stephen Epstein wrote: > > Steve Dulson wrote: > > "Ah, sigh, all you mere children who missed going to concerts in the '60s! > :) > Light shows were an integral part of rock events then..." > > Ah, yes! > I particularly liked the overhead projectors with the water!. I suppose it > was food colouring or dye that was dropped into the water and these > wonderful patterns of colour were whirling round the screen and stage. > Fond memories!! > Thanks Steve > > Best, > Stephen in Vancouver [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:02:19 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: "throbbing light machine" In a message dated 3/16/01 4:06:14 PM, steve@psitech.com writes: << Ah, sigh, all you mere children who missed going to concerts in the '60s! :) Light shows were an integral part of rock events then... >> ** Ah yes, multicolored oils and gels swirled mesmerizingly in the light of an overhead projector, casting a huge, pulsating, throbbing visual veil over the stage and performers, made for a magical little bit 'o psychedelic splendor - especially when augmented by one of Owsley's magic mind potions. (FLASHBACK!!!!!!!!!!!) TIA, Artheo NP - 'Time out of mind' by: Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:42:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Tinkers (Absolutely NJC) Whoo Hooo Steve, what great press!!!!! Where & when are you playing on Saturday? >>>Just had to share this, as it really pleased me. In today's LA Times (OC edition) Calendar is a roundup of St. Pat's activities in which The Tinkers are called "one of Orange County's unheralded treasures" Woo-hoo! <<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:49:23 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: This Just In!!! Crystal Clear Music and Holley's House Concerts Proudly Present **************************************************************************** ********* A Spring House Concert featuring JMDL Artists Kate Bennett and Victor Johnson April 22, Sunday at 7:00pm(doors open at 6:30pm) at 2133 Kodiak Drive Atlanta, GA 30345 (404)320-0355 $10 donation requested...refreshments, coffee, and tea provided (wine permitted)...no smoking Please RSVP and receive directions by calling (404)373-8208 or emailing crystalclearmusic@hotmail.com ***Also catch Victor and Kate at the 30th Annual Inman Park Festival and Tour of Homes located near Little Five Points in Atlanta April 29th, Sunday at 12:00-1:00 pm Under the Big Tent on Euclid and Elizabeth Street Admission free (followed by Cowboy Envy at 1:00 and Sonya Vetra at 2:00) Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:28:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "throbbing light machine" (NJC) steve@psitech.com writes: << Ah, sigh, all you mere children who missed going to concerts in the '60s! :) Light shows were an integral part of rock events then... >> Hey Steve, I remember my pop taking me to a New Christy Minstrels' concert back then, and I didn't see any throbbing light machine :~) Jimmy NPIMH : Green, Green ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:30:08 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re:what is folk music? NJC( long) i did a little bit of searching around and got a really interesting reply form a guy named Tony Ziselberger . his was an interesting reply and below is what he said, i didnt mention Joni at all in the mail i sent him, so i chuckled when he mentioned her! i think this could finally settle the question of "is Joni's music folk music?", and certainly helps us, in some respects, decide on what we think folk music is. GARRET >>> The definition of Folk Music depends on who you ask. We don't discuss definitions at our conference as it creates fights and Ill will among our membership if we try to define it. Below, from a posting on IRTRAD, the Irish Traditional Music discussion list, is the International Folk Music Council's definition. I don't know who the international Folk Music Council is, but their definition is in keeping with the current views of many academic folklorists. Before the 1960's, most academic folklorists concentrated on the piece of music as an artifact, looking at its origin analyzing the piece of music itself and its origin. During the late 1960's and '70's academic there was a paradigm shift and folklorists began looking at the communities that produced the music, rather than the piece of music itself. Here's the definition: "Folk music is the product of a musical tradition that has been evolved through the process of oral transmission. The factors that shape the tradition are; (1) continuity, which links the present to the past; (2) variation, which springs from the creative impulse of the individual or the group; (3) selection by the community, which determines the form, or forms, in which the music survives. later added. (i) The term folk music can be applied to music that has has been evolved from rudimentary beginnings by a community uninfluenced by popular or art music and it likewise can be applied to music which has originated with an individual composer and has subsequently been absorbed into the unwritten living tradition of a community; (ii) The term does not cover popular composed music that has been taken over ready-made by a community and remains unchanged, for it is the re-fashioning and re-creation of the music by the community which gives it its folk character. If you ask a record company person, Folk music is something different. Its acoustic music, sometimes political, often deeply personal, created by singer/songwriters, growing out of the 1960's folk boom. Contemporary "folk" artists would include Ani DiFranco, John Gorka and Shawn Colvin (just as examples) their ancestors being Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell. Academic folklorists do not consider this to be folk music, but instead a form of mass-marketed popular music which is labeled as "folk" for the convenience of marketers and consumers.The comment I've heard from more than one folklorist, just to confuse you, is "If it says folk on the cover, it ain't". To us, anyone willing to label themselves or their music as "folk" be they ancient mountain ballad singers, hip hop artists, Turkish Saz players, or contemporary acoustic singer/songwriters, is welcome to join the club. I'm not sure where to aim you for resources. A book on the subject of "what is folk music?" would be gauranteed to bore millions and would be necessarily incomplete. A folklorist reccomended that I check out "Toward New Perspectives in Folklore, published by the University of Texas Press back in the early 1970's but I haven't yet read it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:46:04 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: NJC-Woody Guthrie a good resource and a must have for every "folk" library- This Land Is Your Land, words and music by Woody Guthrie, Paintings by Kathy Jakobsen. (a children's book)! just wanted to add my 2cents as usual! I purchased from Guthrie mail-order. kammy np-Woody's 20 Grow Big Songs-Cleano ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:09:22 -0800 From: "Craig" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #86 Hi, everyone, couldn't resist finally coming out of the lurking shadows. I joined the list several weeks ago and have delighted in reading the daily mail from everyone. As a Joni fan ever since LOTC, which I used to play first thing in the morning as the sunlight streamed through the windows, I have been possessed by this wonderful woman's music and lyrics. I always tell anyone who will listen that Joni's my favoite American poet. As one of the "aging children" that Joni sings about, I just had to answer this question that someone asked yesterday: "The throbbing light machine" refers to a machine used by late 60s deejays and concert promoters to create psychedelic light shows for the audiences at rock concerts. Maybe you just have to be of a certain age to know this stuff. It's always struck me how hip Joni's lyrics are. And as a 60s hipster (not hipster-dufus a la Kramer, I hope!) I felt right at home with her phraseology. Craig in Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:35:45 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Joni, Dylan, Van Morrison - well, nearly! Our agents are putting together a tour with a Van Morrison "tribute" band - Van the Man. Likely to be a Dylan tribute too. More in due course, but already talk of taking the tour further afield if it's successful. Will keep you informed. Happy St.Patrick's Day. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:45:40 -0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: Re Joni tribute album ljc Sent an email to Reprise as Bob suggested using the address included in his post,asking for info on the Joni tribute album, and it was returned undelivered. Anybody else had any problems? Is there another email address for Reprise Records anybody? Would love to know what is happening with the tribute album. Cheers, Joe. NP HOSL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:37:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Throbbing Light Machine << Hi, everyone, couldn't resist finally coming out of the lurking shadows. I joined the list several weeks ago and have delighted in reading the daily mail from everyone.>> Welcome, Craig! Thanks for delurking and introducing yourself! << "The throbbing light machine" refers to a machine used by late 60s deejays and concert promoters to create psychedelic light shows for the audiences at rock concerts.>> This has been previously stated, but I don't see how this description fits in context of the lyrics of the song. I'd appreciate any other enLIGHTenments you could bring to your interpretation! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:57:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "throbbing light machine" (NJC) well, i like heavy throbbin' machines better! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:19:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: delete well, switch the fucking thing on, darling, and you'll get off all right! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Sarah Thomas Enviado el: Viernes, 16 de Marzo de 2001 07:41 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: delete Joni Chatroom: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm NE JoniFest 2001: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm i wanna gt off this fucking thing _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:27:10 EST From: RPWieloh@cs.com Subject: lookin for a book Hi Barbara, I read your item on the Joni Digest today about the sandwich shop, Long Beach, Highway 101, and it reminded me of my trip to the area, It was wonderful. Do you know of a book written about the the Highway, its people, and the whole scene. I know this is a "strech",and there must be several books written about the area, also it might have been written by an author named Miller. Just a shot in the dark.Rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 18:37:11 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re Joni tribute album ljc Was this the email address you used? reprise@wbr.com I emailed them about a month ago. Good luck in getting a response from them Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:58:13 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: hear your own audio inside an abandoned grain silo in montreal http://www.silophone.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:34:54 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: throbbing light machine NJC >Steve Dulson wrote: > >"Ah, sigh, all you mere children who missed going to concerts in the '60s! >:) >Light shows were an integral part of rock events then..." > >Ah, yes! >I particularly liked the overhead projectors with the water!. I suppose it >was food colouring or dye that was dropped into the water and these >wonderful patterns of colour were whirling round the screen and stage. >Fond memories!! >Thanks Steve hey, folks, those food coloring, oil and water light shows are not dead yet. just last fall, i attended a concert of hendrix songs, produced by danny kapilian (who produced the joni's jazz concert in central park, '99) that had a 'summer of love' light show. the hendrix event had projections by one of the creators of the original fillmore west shows. the name escapes me, but this guy is definitely still around, though he's sort of establishmentized (i've also seen his projections in an installation at SFMOMA, within the last five years.) the show felt pretty familiar from films of the psychedelic era, lots blobs of colored oil vibrating on water, lots of double exposures, etc. etc. kind of cheesy and stupid in places, the projections looked very analog but computers were involved in the projection process; i kept seeing the hourglass icon across pure '60s psychedelica as the computer tried to cope. bizarre anachronisms. total buzzkill, dudes... not a very successful concert either, given the high standard kapilian has set. some wonderful moments, though. sandra st. victor was my hero, and her 'are you experienced?' was my highlight of the evening. i loved medeski, martin and woods, for sheer musicianship the whole night. patrick, blathering on again. np - byron stingily - club stories - that's the way love is, johhny vicious club mix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:16:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: what's going on? (NJC) i received only TWO messages today, both by steve dulson. has traffic been slow today or is it my server? please let me know because i'm considering changing servers. wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:27:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Washington Warning NJC Ok, which one of you SoCal people sent me this? Kakki? Dulson? You can have your darn earthquakes! Give us back our rain! Mark in Seattle (where water restrictions are sure to happen this summer) > > > > > >> > Dear Washington State Residents: > > >> > > > > >> > >The earthquake was just a warning. > > >> > > > > >> > >Now that we have your attention, sell us your power, give us back > our > > >> > >sunshine, take back your rain, and we'll take back our earthquakes. > > >> > > > > >> > >Otherwise this could get ugly! > > >> > > > > >> > >The People of California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:29:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mr. Music NJC > Set that other Jerry straight. Expert indeed. > > "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" wrote: Well certainly *nobody* is going to set Notaro straight! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:57:40 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Happy St. Patrick's Day from the Harper (NJC) Tuesday, March 13 -- two shows, two Danny Boys Wednesday, March 14 -- three shows, four Danny Boys Thursday, March 15 -- two shows and a TV taping, six Danny Boys Friday, March 16 -- three shows, 17 Danny Boys (Those officers at the Navy Depot love their Danny Boys and their green Coors Light. I'm sure it's due to chafing from the very tight polyester uniform pants they wear, and they need to hit the high notes to relax the muscles a bit and relieve some of the discomfort.) Saturday, March 17 -- four shows, God knows how many Danny Boys.... Happy St. Patrick's Day to all from an exhausted harpist and an Irish tenor with just enough voice to make it through perhaps a dozen more Danny Boys tops. "The pipes the pipes are falling...." Special regards to Dulson and the Tinkers, fellow workaholics this week! And Irish hugs to the people I KNOW must be Irish, like Ashara O'Hara, Michael Paz Go Bragh and David O'Flahmerty. (Irish hugs are the kind where you embrace tightly but instead of putting your heads side by side, you keep them nose to nose so you can smell what kind of beer the other person is drinking.) May you always look back and find yourself farther ahead than you thought you were... Harper Lou ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #124 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?