From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #120 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 120 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: SIQUOMB, now NJC [Scott Price ] Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders NJC ["Ross, Les" ] RE: welcome!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: disappointed but not completely devoured by hounds(njc) [catman ] Re: h&m disease NJC ["hell" ] Doobies/Michael McDonald/Celine Dion NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Saskatoooon! (was Joni in BC) ["Paul Castle" ] A Hitcher on the Highway (was Joni in BC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders NJC [catman ] if Jonatha is lurking (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] folk web site,SJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: NJC Doobie Lore [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] interesting item on ebay NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC Doobie Lore ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/Celine Dion NJC [catman ] the first one... ["P. Henry Boland" ] Celine Dion and her poor baby [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: preganant Joni Dream [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: NJC Doobie Lore [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: preganant Joni Dream [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: NJC Doobie Lore [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/NJC & No Celine content [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Doobie Lore [Don Rowe ] Re: NJC Doobie Lore ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: NJC Doobie Lore [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: preganant Joni Dream [catman ] Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/NJC & No Celine content [catman ] njc doobee's /say-leen ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: njc doobee's /say-leen [jan gyn ] hits&misses My opinion ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: njc doobee's /say-leen [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: njc doobee's /say-leen [Alison E ] Thanks to all of you for your patience(*~*) ["Thom Byrd" ] Hating Celine NJC [Vince Lavieri ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:54:06 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: SIQUOMB, now NJC At 08:43 PM 3/12/01 -0500, Diane Evans wrote: >Aw, c'mon, Bob! Everyone needs to have their personal experience with our >very own curmudgeon! ;-D > >Keep those barbs honed, Paul! Diane, Do you *really* think that "everyone" needs to have a "personal experience" with someone on this list? I see your emoticon which implies you were writing with sarcasm but your next sentence contradicts that impression. You may find it amusing or believe it to be a good "skin thickener" when someone is targeted with a "barb" but I assure you there are many people who who get deeply hurt by these "experiences." I'd hate to think the JMDL is fostering an environment where list members are encouraged to be rude and offensive to others. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:03 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders NJC aaaw, bugger! on 3/12/01 6:19 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > I'm sorry to say that the England/Ireland trip that Sal and I planned for > July will have to wait. With the continued reports of hoof and mouth disease, > we thought it would be best to wait for that particular trip. Now this bums me out completely. I was really looking forward to meeting with Ashara and with Chris planning an event around her arrival here in the Blighted Land, it was a cool promise for summer. and.... From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders didn't you already have that once or twice??? Enquiring minds want to know??? We're feeling a bit like the pariah of the western world over here with this disease decimating our livestock and threatening the health of herds in other countries. I understand that people arriving on flights from the UK are having to step through some kinda puddle of disinfectant to prevent spreading our plague abroad. That could be tabloid poo-talk but one never knows. It seems a bit over the top but not being too closely involved with matters agricultural I can hardly take umbridge. It's a bit rough on the old Blahniks (sp?) however. I remember as a kid in the seventies (I think it was then) when our livestock were last afflicted by this disease and the effects on our farming community were devastating even as far north as my very Highland neck of the woods. It was grim and a little medieval with all those piles of animal corpses being put to the torch. Gaads! Anyway, we of the Sceptred Isle will make every endeavour to make the Topsfield fest this autumn and hopefully free of portable 'bugs'. Les (Londinium) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:16:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: h&m disease NJC well, if it's any consolation les ross [aka Beauty Incarnate], i just read that we're having a bout of h&m disease in northern argentina after infected cattle was smuggled in from paraguay. now we'll all have to eat canadian beef!!!!!! or worse yet: new zealand!!! the horror, the horror! wallyK, meat lover ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:19:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: welcome!!!! njc >>>>>>>je ne me souviens pas comment dit on "welcome" en francais! shame on you alison!!! after all the money we've spent on your education. now you'll never be a cheerleader! w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:30:25 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: disappointed but not completely devoured by hounds(njc) I know it is corny, but i have found it true, that another door will open for you. I think you have been treated badly here. Another job, with more respectful employers, will show up. Victor Johnson wrote: > I posted several times recently about a great job I got working with an > audio visual company. Well last week, the higher up people in Tampa decided > that they changed their minds and they don't want to hire anymore people > after all because its just "not busy enough" and they "don't want to spend > any money on another employee". I had just started to settle in, filled out > page after page of paperwork, and then all of the sudden was told they > aren't going to hire me after all. > > It's just kind of a major shock really, having gone through two months > without a job, finally finding something that seems to be really working, > and then now having to start over again. I'll admit it has been pretty > slow and sometimes there has been nothing to do but having gone through this > whole process of getting acclimated and familiarized with everything and > everyone and then the next day being told they called the whole thing off > just seems rather callous and misleading. I'm able to continue as contract > for a couple of weeks but at the same time need to be looking for something > else so it is kind of awkward. I can't afford to spend another two months > looking for a job again. But I sought out this opportunity originally so > I'll just have to seek out another one. It's just so frustrating! > > Victor > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, > Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." > Victor Johnson - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:35:21 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders NJC I remember it too Les. It is was 67. That lasted 8 months and was much worse than the present outbreak is. However, wew might be getting ther. I was confused as to why they were making such a big deal about. Foot n Mouth doesn't kill, it doesn't hurt people so i was wonfdering why they just don't allow it to run it's course. It seems, however, that animals who have had it, never produce milk or meat up to standard. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:58:10 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders NJC Colin wrote: > I was confused as to why they were making such a big deal about. Foot n Mouth > doesn't kill, it doesn't hurt people so i was wonfdering why they just don't > allow it to run it's course. It seems, however, that animals who have had it, > never produce milk or meat up to standard. Yeah, but would you want to eat a diseased cow, or pig?! I know that logic says it safe to eat, but YUCK! On a more serious note, the last epidemic in Britain was in 1967-68 (as Colin correctly stated), and over 430,000 animals were slaughtered. But unfortunately, the slaughter of all exposed animals is the only effective way to get rid of the disease. Apparently progress has been made in developing a vaccine, but the cost would be too prohibitive. I hope this clears up quickly, and I also hope (very selfishly) that we don't get it down here, since beef and lamb (and cattle/sheep by-products, eg. cheese, wool, etc.) are among our top exports. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:03:10 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: h&m disease NJC wally wrote: > well, if it's any consolation les ross [aka Beauty Incarnate], i just read > that we're having a bout of h&m disease in northern argentina after infected > cattle was smuggled in from paraguay. now we'll all have to eat canadian > beef!!!!!! or worse yet: new zealand!!! the horror, the horror! Heeyyy! What do you mean? We have lovely steak here, and I would have thought someone from a good rugby playing nation like Argentina would know the value of a good steak! Only recently one of our ex-All Blacks, Colin Meads, was bemoaning the state of NZ rugby, and saying the players need to get back to basics. Forget all this pasta and "carbohydrate-loading" crap. "Give the players a good breakfast of steak, eggs and chips, like we used to have before a game. That'll see them right!" Obviously I'm paraphrasing a little, but only a little! Mind you, Colin Meads is now a dairy farmer.... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:03:06 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Doobies/Michael McDonald/Celine Dion NJC Reading about the Doobies reminds me of one of those great gigs I went to "on spec" and ended up loving: Michael McDonald at the Jazz Cafe, which is a very small and rather awkwardly shaped venue in north London. I'd never checked for his records much, had the impression that he was a good singer whose records had been coming out of Blandville for years. Anyway, I decided to give it a pop, precisely because it was such a small place. As it turned out, it was a warm-up for a show at Wembley Arena, which holds about 12,000 people! Well, he kicked our British butts! His band were as tight as a duck's arse [erm, sorry about that, but the other expression I was going to use was even ruder], and pretty loud with it. His voice was unbelievably good, and he didn't shirk any of the many falsetto high notes. As for the songs, I was amazed at how many of them I knew. And of course he played What A Fool Believes, one of the greatest pop songs ever. That gig was a wonderful surprise, as it challenged my preconceptions... ...however, I can safely say that wild horses would not drag me to a Celine Dion gig. She certainly has a voice, one which I would describe as a force of nature - and forces of nature can be harnessed in all sorts of ways! I find her singing genuinely unbearable - I run, not walk to the off switch when I hear her lungs inflate, because it's inevitable that somewhere around the halfway mark, she (or her producer) will hit the button marked "EMOTE!", and that unholy caterwauling will start up. Aaaarrgh! What really strikes me is that she doesn't seem that interested in music. I read an interview with her (in Q, I think), in which she came across as a decent sort, and my overriding impression is that she is more "product" than just about any other singer. She has this extraordinary vocal power, which she doesn't seem to understand fully, but which has turned out to be an amazing cash cow. And as she enjoys singing, they (whoever "they" are!) can keep pushing glutinous ballads at her, she'll keep singing the living daylights out of 'em, and everybody concerned will add more zeroes to their bank balance. A win-win situation, some might say. Meanwhile, brilliantly talented people who right wonderful songs and put their heart and soul into them will continue to live on the breadline. Ho hum, that's the way of the world... More in sorrow than in anger, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:40:38 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Saskatoooon! (was Joni in BC) A recent e-mail from Ashara (about something else) reminded me how much I missed this list, so I signed on again - at which point my phone lines went dead rendering me off-line for the last week. Now repaired, and catching up on digests, I find..... Kakki wrote: >I recall the story posted here about the guy who was hitchiking up >there and got picked up by Joni. and Steve D replied >The guy was Rick Scott, and the story was told by Paul Castle. >Rick and Paul were both at Folk Alliance - Rick lives on one of >the islands on the coast up there. Never met up with Paul, >despite my efforts. :( So sorry to miss you, Steve. My fault - I did get your message but stupidly lost the piece of paper with your room number on it in my bulging tote bag and generally got swept away in the swirl of panels/showcases/more showcases etc - I was sure I would bump into you at any moment, but sadly..... I wanted to tell you about the great Jonifest we had on The Folktrain on the way to Vancouver - (I've mentioned it briefly in my latest 'Across the Pond' column). I'd already gone to sleep, jet-lagged and exhausted, when the train shuddered to a grinding halt sometime after midnight. I remember waking up wondering where the hell I was and peering out of the window into the darkness and seeing a sign emerging out of the snow saying SASKATOON. I noticed a few of my fellow 'folktrainers' - Gregg Cagno, Christian Bauman, Annie Wenz, I think, excitely taking photographs of each other in front of the big sign (I later discovered they nearly didn't make it back on to the train as when they returned from their brief night-time run round Joniville, they found the steps already up and the train doors all closed - and no one responding to their frantic banging and crazy cries for help - it was 20 something degrees below out there !! - and they didn't have their coats! They were finally let back on - after frantically running right up to the front of the train and begging the engineers to help them - they got a right bollocking, apparently). Lying in my cosy bunk, blissfully unaware of all this, a voice in the train corridor says "Are you awake in there? C'mon, get up! They're having a Jonifest in the coffee bar at the front of the train." I don't think I've put my trousers on so quickly in months - running down the narrow train corridor with my heavy guitar case, praying that it wasn't all over by the time I got there - now I know how you all feel on the way to Ashara's! I arrived in time to find my pal from London, Karen Bates, singing Carey. I needn't have worried - the session went on for hours, Joni after Joni, with howls of "Saskatoooooon!" after each song (this remained our 'secret' greeting whenever we saw each other in Vancouver) - I forget exactly who did what - Gregg Cagno (a really lovely guy with a James Taylor-type voice) did a truly beautiful version of 'River', I remember. I ended up doing 'Case of You', 'Little Green' and 'Gallery'. A major 'night to remember' that really makes me want to go to Topsfield this year. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:36:07 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: A Hitcher on the Highway (was Joni in BC) Steve D wrote: > The guy was Rick Scott......... Rick lives on one of > the islands on the coast up there. and Kakki replied: >Thanks, Steve - that was such a great story. Maybe someone >could re-post it here..... I love this story too - after Folk Alliance I spent a couple of days with Rick and his lady, Valley, at their amazing home on a small island (population c250 - 20 minutes walk end to end) just off Vancouver Island - the distant views across the ocean to the snow-capped mountains on that coastline were breathtaking - and I got to jam with Rick, who is just a brilliant dulcimer player. Here's his story again. >>>>>>>>>> "In 1971, I was hitchhiking with my wife Sue, my friend JR Stone and my dog Mousse, up the Sechelt (Sunshine) Coast of British Columbia. It was tough for three hippies and a dog to catch a ride, but after about half an hour a woman driving a beat up Ford Pinto pulled over. Big and shaggy, Mousse immediately climbed into the front seat and laid his head down on the driver's lap. JR slid in next to him, Sue and I got in the back and we headed off down the road. The woman was patting Mousse's head and complimenting us on what a nice dog he was. She asked us how far we were going... about 30 kilometres to Pender Harbour. Between her question and our ability to answer, there was a group realization that the driver was Joni Mitchell. Each of us took turns trying to articulate the name of our destination, but all that came out was stammering. When we finally managed to tell her, she said she could take us almost all the way but she had to stop off at Lord Jim's Lodge to pick up a friend. She said she might go to the pub but, if we were still hitchhiking when they came out, they would give us a ride the rest of the way. I think we just sat there staring at Joni Mitchell stroking Mousse's head. I was fantasizing that in the next life I might be lucky enough to come back as a dog. When we got to the turnoff she pulled over and as we were getting out she noticed my instrument case and asked what it was. When I told her it was a dulcimer she said, "Way out, can I see it?" The next thing I knew she was examining my dulcimer with great interest. JR Stone is a soft spoken North Carolina mountain man of few words, so I volunteered the information that he had built my instrument. She beamed at him and examined the dulcimer even more closely. After a few minutes she asked if he would build her one. With a great deal of difficulty he finally managed to answer, "Sure". As Joni left us, she renewed her offer to take us further later and asked JR where she could find him. We told her where we would be for the weekend. We couldn't believe what had just happened and didn't think we'd ever see her again. Nonetheless, we stopped hitchhiking and just stood by the road. An hour later she came back down the road with her friend in the passenger seat and stopped to pick us up. Paying no mind to the passenger, Mousse jumped straight onto his lap and settled back down with his head on Joni. We all squeezed in the back and she introduced us to Graham (Nash). She drove us to Pender Harbour and next day came to visit to discuss dulcimer specifications with JR. I was amazed when she took up my dulcimer, tuned all the strings to the same note and proceeded to play "A Case of You" from her "Blue" album. I'll never wash my dulcimer again. Over the next three weeks JR built her an exquisite mountain dulcimer. But it took him another week to deliver it because he was so shy. She was so delighted, she paid him a hundred dollars more than his original quote, which I think was $300. Over 20 years later, in 1996, I was reading a Rolling Stone article about Joni and in the accompanying photograph there she was with JR's dulcimer hanging on the wall behind her. I must admit I felt a twinge of jealousy that JR got in Rolling Stone before I did. JR Stone still lives and builds amazing instruments in Boone, North Carolina. He has built me several four string dulcimers and a 6 string and bass dulcimer as well." Rick Scott, 1998 >>>>> There's a picture of Mousse with Rick and his band Pied Pumkin, taken in the 70's not long after this at http://www.ambleside.com/pumkin/photos.htm#2 PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:18:48 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: NJC-Victor's job victor, im a strong believer "that things happen for a reason"!! there must be something better out there waiting on you. good luck kammy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:42:23 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: h&m disease NJC NZ lamb is not just cheaper than British but better too! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:41:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Attention Englanders and Irelanders NJC > but the cost would be too prohibitive. > The trouble with the vaccine is not just cost-it is not possible to tell the difference(in blood test) between an animal that is is sick and one that hs been vaccinated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:44:10 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/Celine Dion NJC AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Reading about the Doobies reminds me of one of those great gigs I went to "on > spec" and ended up loving: Michael McDonald I have been seeing ads for his 'greatest hits' and have wonderd who he was as I have never heard of him before. So is he one of the Doobie Brothers? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:56:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: disappointed but not completely devoured by hounds(njc) In a message dated 3/13/01 12:54:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > I had just started to settle in, filled out > page after page of paperwork, and then all of the sudden was told they > aren't going to hire me after all. > > This is so wrong! They didn't deserve you Victor. I believe the way Kammy does, things happen for a reason. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:58:28 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Hitcher on the Highway (was Joni in BC) In a message dated 3/13/01 7:03:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > Between her question and > our ability to answer, there was a group realization that the driver > Wow, far out man :~) Thanks Paul Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:23:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore <> Awesome, Kakki! Please accept my condolences on the loss of your tapedeck, but as much as you share tunes I'm sure you got your money's worth out of it! ;~) I recently bought a turntable with a built-in amp that plugs directly into my burner. It's a real godsend! Thanks too for the info on the Doobies! That IS the same platter I had many years ago. If you want to wait and hand it off to me at Jonifest, that's fine...I've been without it for over 20 years, so what's a couple of months? ;~) Bob NP: The Doors, "Take It As It Comes" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:37:26 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SIQUOMB In a message dated 3/13/01 12:41:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, hirahara@madnet.net writes: > Bye the way, what do the Artist > and Song titles represent at the end of some of the post I've read? I > assumed they were titles that people were presently listening to. > > If so I'm currenly listening to Jackson Browne, Running On Empty, Rosie. > > That it be, Barbara. NP stands for Now Playing Welcome to the JMDL Rosie in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:39:49 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SIQUOMB In a message dated 3/13/01 1:12:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > How wonderful that you have a vineyard! > Do you also have a winery? Please let us know the name - we have a number > of wine lovers here who might stop in sometime! > > You got it right - the NP means "now playing." > > Yes, how wonderful, and send me a bottle or two :~) Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:51:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Saskatoooon! (was Joni in BC) <> What a great post, Paul, and how WONDERFUL it is to see you back here!!! You're not going to believe this, but when I brought up your message, what was playing in my jambox but the Nick Drake/Sandy Denny CD you made for me!! Synchronicity or what? This is a divine sign that you BELONG here!! So don't ever go again...and yes, you HAVE to come to Jonifest, so start making arrangements now. Also thanks Ashara for giving Paul the nudge... Now, the next question is how can I get a recording of that Joni jam session on the train? ;~D Bob NP: Nick Drake, "Cello Song" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:04:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/Celine Dion NJC <> Colin, You may be most familiar with him by way of the duet he does with Joni on "Good Friends" (DED). He started as a backup vocalist, my first exposure to McDonald was on Steely Dan's records like "Katy Lied" & "The Royal Scam". His airy light tenor was a perfect complement to their music, I thought. When Tom Johnston of the Doobie Brothers had some health problems (one too many Doobies perhaps?) Michael stepped in and took over a lot of the lead vocals. (Takin' It To The Streets marked his debut) The band changed quite a bit as Michael played piano and sang in a totally different style than Johnston. The Doobies moved from a guitar-based rock band to a keyboard-based pop sound. They actually enjoyed as much success in both incarnations, I think. McDonald also got lots of airtime with his backup vocal to Christopher Cross' "Run Like The Wind". He released a couple of solo albums, and had a fairly good hit here in the US with the single "I Keep Forgettin'" from the record Evian mentiond, "No Looking Back". While it was a good record (and Joni herself calls him one of her fave vocalists), imo he serves better as a backing vocalist than as a lead. That's about all I know, hope it helped! Bob NP: Nick Drake, "Pink Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:08:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: doobies njc <> It is available on CD, E... And I have to recant a mistake..."I Keep Forgettin" was on "If That's What It Takes", not on "No Lookin' Back". Bob NP: Nick Drake, "Fruit Tree" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:11:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Trent Reznor / Joni connection? <> No, there wasn't really any "Joni" going on at the HOB that night, Mark, just some fans hanging out and looking at the "Kama Sutra" room (the room of Paz' forbidden pleasures! :~D). BUT, (and I am pretty much speaking out of my butt here), I'm sure that Joni was an influence on Reznor. After all, his music is confessional and risk-taking. Where else would he have thought of THAT combination? ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:17:52 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore Hi Kakki and Bob (and Doobies, and Joni, fans everywhere)! Kakki wrote: "I dug it out (oh how I wish they would make a CD burner with a turntable attached ;-) and the title is "Introducing the Doobie Brothers - Recorded in 1970 - Previously Unreleased." I'll lend it to you Bob, if you want to copy it - my tape recorder recently gave out ;-(" I hope you two can find someone who can do a vinyl-to-CDR transfer (wish I could volunteer, but alas). Maybe we can "mini-tree" this. I'd love to hear it, too, and I'll bet there are some other fans of the early Doobies on the list. :-) Boston Jim NP: Tuesday Morning Workaday Blues (in my head, half-written "Tom Johnston style") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:44:54 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: if Jonatha is lurking (njc) Hi Jonatha. Seems like yesterday when I first say you at the Nameless in Harvard Square - - but over a decade has passed!!! (I remember it was your first gig at the Nameless, and I played a couple of sets before you did.) I also recall helping you stuff envelopes one night at the Cantab Lounge - Geoff had invited you to play as a special guest. We talked about open tunings and you asked me about the tunings I play in. Anyway, I love your music and am so happy to see you doing so well. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:40:49 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: folk web site,SJC Hey everyone, Came across this web site today. Has some interesting stuff on it. Found it doing a Jonatha search. Was thinking about buying a CD today. Kammy http://folkmusic.about.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:57:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore <> Hey Boston Jim, I can do that, and I also have a radio concert that The Doobies did on the BBC when they were touring "Fault Line"...I've got it on cassette, so I'll have to transfer that to CD as well. To sweeten the pot, I've got Tom's two solo records which I'm sure never made it to CD, maybe we can put together a nice 2 or 3-CD Doobies Tree! Count me in! Maybe when we complete this Doobies "Boxset", we can offer it up on E-bay as a fundraiser for the JMDL, or to buy Hell airfare for Jonifest! ;~D Bob NP: Chris Duarte, "Shiloh" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:08:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: interesting item on ebay NJC Check it out, JIMI HENDRIX 1967 Fender Stratocaster Guitar Private auction. Bid is at $86,676.00, and the reserve hasn't been met yet, with just 9 days to go! http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416375103 This one is real Paz lol Rose in NJ NP:Journey, Wheel in the Sky rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:32:36 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore > To sweeten the pot, I've got Tom's two solo records which I'm sure never made it to CD, maybe we can put together a nice 2 or 3-CD Doobies Tree! Count me in! > This set is going to be excellent, Bob! (You wouldn't happen to have a copy of *Patrick Simmons'* solo album, too, would you? ... Oh, what I'd give for all the albums I once had that "got away.") :-) I'd be delighted to be a branch on our little Doobies Tree. Boston Jim (who's looking forward to pulling out his yet-to-be-listened-to copy of the Doobie Brothers box set this weekend ... or sooner) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:39:27 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/Celine Dion NJC > That's about all I know, hope it helped! yes, thank you. Maybe I could pay more attention to the playlists on cd's! But what the hell! > > > Bob > > NP: Nick Drake, "Pink Moon" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:48:12 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Hi Barbara! Barbara Hirahara wrote: >Wish Boston wasn't so far off, does anyone on the West coast do >anything celebratory in a Joni fashion? Bwahahahaha! Do we ever! We have had some major gatherings out here (for the '98 and '00 concert tours, for example) and many smaller gatherings - you know how it goes, whenever one or two Joni people are gathered together... :) There are quite a few of us on the left coast, and we'd love to meet you at future get-togethers. Just keep an eye on the list for announcements! Welcome, and all the best! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:07:33 +1000 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: the first one... is there anyone who owns Joni's first songbook who'd be willing to burn a xerox copy for me if I pay the costs? pls? if so, email me offlist... tanx, pat - --- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors." Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:09:52 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Celine Dion and her poor baby It had to happen, My two favourite interpreters of song coming together on this list. Yea i know i know, Ones a great song writer the other a voice. But what a voice. I have seen celine 3 times over the past 8 years in concert. She is electric and a great interpreter of song, given the right songs to sing. Unfortunately celines downfall has been her americanisation, that sanitized, anti feeling emotionalism that abounds in most of her songs. Her popularity has come from the fact that she is so accessable. Nothing to dislike, a great voice, safe subject matter...But then there is the other celine, the french speaking, the celine that sings the songs of brel and goldman, Plamondon and Cocciante. It is so similar to friends that hate joni because they' ve only heard her sing 'Both sides now'. A high pitched squeal with a folky guitar...yeuk. That is not joni and so Titanic is not celine. If you want to get a sense of Celine listen to her in her own language, the language she learnt from birth. Listen to Vole or J'attendais, listen to Le blues du businessman or Quand on ne que L'amour. In time Celine will be seen for the great interpreter of song that she is and will I am sure be up there with Piaf, Fitzgerald and dare i say it billie. Oh laugh as much as you want. Suffering doesn't give one exclusive rights on the ability to feel. What it does do is fuck you up and send you to a possible early grave on account of all the drugs you imbibe. Celine ain't wasting her life, I for one would rather have a lot of her talent than too little and yes....I hope her son grows up to be gay just like Barbras' Jason. xxxxxlove to you all Clive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:40:13 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: preganant Joni Dream In a message dated 3/9/2001 4:14:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << Last night I had a Joni dream. We were all in a big warehouse apartment here in the UK. Joni had this really weird hi fi set up with a really long arm for the stylus. The arm must have been sevral feet long and attached the ceiling where it glided down nicely to the turntable. I kpet trying to put the stylus on the album but it kept sliding off. I then realised the album was a cd so din't need a stylus. >> Hmmm...zees is vone inta vesting dream, mine English kinder. Let me tink about zis a second. Oh yes! Sink about chow you talk about ze arm off ze turntable: "several feet long", "really long arm". Hmm...and zen all dis talk about leesters chew are pregnant? Do chew see a conneaction chere, or is my imaginashun? Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:47:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore <> You got it, pal! I may just make the master discs and turn them over to you for tree'ing and trading! After all, I've got plenty on my plate as it is... Speaking of covers, our newest aquisition is Pete Seeger & his studio recording of BSN! Bob NP: Lucky Dube, "Trinity" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:47:51 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: preganant Joni Dream In a message dated 3/9/2001 10:11:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, slarty@sympatico.ca writes: << My wife and I were on vacation at some unknown place and looking at antiques. We were looking at this strange monstrous ceramic statue which had a mermaid head and body on it. As we went around it and saw the other side it was an old fashioned cast iron stove though still with a ceramic finish - it was a dirty yellow color. On one corner of it were some strange foreign looking canisters that held who knows what but gave the impression that the stove was still being used. Now into the dream comes a foreign man who seems to be selling these antiques and asks me if I would be interested in buying and old radio he bought. It is quit large for a portable radio (about the size of a loaf of bread) and a strange shape, similar to the front end of a 1960ish car and the knobs are where the headlights would be if it was a car and the bumper is where the radio shoes the stations. As I turn it over I notice it is signed by Joni Mitchell 1970 and I recognize her signature though it looks like it came from a younger hand than from the signature I'm used to seeing. Not quite as many flourishes but definitely Joni's signature. I ask him about it. He says he bought it from Graham Nash who came in one morning in bad shape and sold it to him. When he sees I'm interested he says I can have it for $170. I'm besides myself at this point because I want it so badly but of course just like in real life I'm flat broke so I can't buy it from him. I ask him if he knows Joni which I figure is possible since he seems to know Graham. He says yes he used to cook for her while she was on vacation. I ask him if Joni ever wrote a song for/about him. He says he has no idea, he just met her for a short period of time then she disappeared from his life. At this point I start waking up and I'm thinking to myself "this must be Carey". And then I'm awake but humming Carey to myself for quite a long time afterwards. >> Oy vey. Chere ve go again. Look at ze vords in dis dream: "monstrous...mermaid..dirty..stove..quite large.. loaf of bread...knobs....says I can have it for $170...short period..." Zis eez eeder a vish to chave a baby- to impregnate a voman. Or..a vish to visit somevon in zee blue light deestrict. Ok, I go now. Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:16:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore Also, I see where Rhino did a Doobs boxset back in '99, but it looks like a whole different animal than we're talking about... BTW, I DON'T have the P.Simmons record, but it's easily gettable... Bob NP: Lucky Dube, "Big Boys Don't Cry" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:21:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/NJC & No Celine content <> Oh! I just thought of something else that should interest you, Colin...the song "It Keeps You Runnin'" was co-written by McDonald and Carly! They worked on it much like Joni & Croz did with Yvette, working not in person but over the phone. Carly recorded it on "Another Passenger" (produced by Templeman and featuring the Doobies on backup), and McDonald sang it on "Takin' It To The Streets". Both versions are great imo... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore I saw the Doobies in 75 or 76 (memory fogs) at the Texas State Fair. Three Dog Night opened, and let me tell you folks, you can have CSN&Y ... 'cause those two bands could BRING IT vocally. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:40:51 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore > Also, I see where Rhino did a Doobs boxset back in '99, but it looks like a whole different animal than we're talking about... > That's the box set I was mentioning, which I own but have yet to play. The first three discs are what you might expect (except, where's "Without You," "Ukiah," and "The Captain And Me?" ... and where's "Tell Me What You Want And I'll Give You What You Need?" ... and where's "8th Avenue Shuffle?"). Disc 4 is called "Abandoned Tracks (Demos And Roughs)." Some of the things on Kakki's album might be included, now that I'm looking at the titles closely. I'll have to re-read her post where she listed the songs. Boston Jim NPIMH: "White Sun" from Toulouse Street ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:44:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Doobie Lore <<(except, where's "Without You," "Ukiah," and "The Captain And Me?" >> Well, Ukiah is in California, but someone else will have to help you with them others...I was always too busy reading liner notes to study geography! :~D Bob NP: Dylan, "Visions of Johanna", Sydney 4/13/66 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:26:11 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: preganant Joni Dream you iz feelthy in ze imaginashun, ya? TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/9/2001 4:14:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, > colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: > > << Last night I had a Joni dream. We were all in a big warehouse apartment > here in the UK. > Joni had this really weird hi fi set up with a really long arm for the > stylus. The arm must have been sevral feet long and attached the ceiling > where it glided down nicely to the turntable. I kpet trying to put the > stylus on the album but it kept sliding off. I then realised the album > was a cd so din't need a stylus. > >> > > Hmmm...zees is vone inta vesting dream, mine English kinder. Let me tink > about zis a second. Oh yes! Sink about chow you talk about ze arm off ze > turntable: "several feet long", "really long arm". Hmm...and zen all dis > talk about leesters chew are pregnant? Do chew see a conneaction chere, or is > my imaginashun? > > Dr. SigMondegreen - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:27:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Doobies/Michael McDonald/NJC & No Celine content Yes I knew she covered It Keeps You Runnin on AP. Didn't know it was Mike tho. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < But what the hell!>> > > Oh! I just thought of something else that should interest you, Colin...the song "It Keeps You Runnin'" was co-written by McDonald and Carly! They worked on it much like Joni & Croz did with Yvette, working not in person but over the phone. Carly recorded it on "Another Passenger" (produced by Templeman and featuring the Doobies on backup), and McDonald sang it on "Takin' It To The Streets". > > Both versions are great imo... > > Bob - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:30:05 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Celine Dion and her poor babyNJC Oh Clive, what have you done? Do you realise you will be banished to the outer circle now? What could you have been thinking? For your own sake, keep your passions to yourself! Maybe they will let you back in ,given time....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:49:13 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Re: preganant Joni Dream Figuring I've already got 4 kids I'd have to go with the Blue light .... Wait a minite.Don't you mean a RED light District? I must be in the wrong dream or the good Dr. is colour Blind. TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > > >> > Oy vey. Chere ve go again. Look at ze vords in dis dream: > > "monstrous...mermaid..dirty..stove..quite large.. loaf of > bread...knobs....says I can have it for $170...short period..." > > Zis eez eeder a vish to chave a baby- to impregnate a voman. Or..a vish to > visit somevon in zee blue light deestrict. > > Ok, I go now. > > Dr. SigMondegreen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:39:10 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: njc doobee's /say-leen Any Mature TV kid's remember the show about good childen being Do-bee's and Bad kids being Don't-bee's I can not but help to remember that show every time i hear about the Doobees. Sure I have a couple of her cd's. American's love that over produced Euro type sound, remember this country has to have a pop diva for every generation. Spears, Carey, Dion, Striesand, Garland. The last two really had voices! opps Babs is still puttin out da butter! Hody Dody vs Hey Hody Hey Partners - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:51:26 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: njc doobee's /say-leen At 12:39 PM 3/13/01 -0800, BRIAN SYMES wrote: >Any Mature TV kid's remember the show about good childen being >Do-bee's and Bad kids being Don't-bee's I can not but help to >remember that show every time i hear about the Doobees. Any Scooby fans? Check this shit: - -jan http://www.cinescape.com/insider/scoobydoo010306a.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:06:24 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: hits&misses My opinion Why the card board only folders on the CD's? I bought the Tapes Instead, On the "hits" you got "Urge for going" Cool! but on the "misses" there was nothing un released. My Minor moan on the tapes is that they were out of chronological order. Another moan from me on the cover art joni's witty photos of being roadkill ugh. How about turning her into a black crow fying over a green bowling ball, Or Back in BC dressed in green or no green. No face on "misses" just her back end. The best thing I do with hits is to loan it out to friends and turn them on to 15 wonderful songs. Bye NP. Here comes the sun, Nina Simone Sunny and Rainy Portland, OR - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:16:16 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: njc doobee's /say-leen Brian wrote: > Any Mature TV kid's remember the show about good childen being > Do-bee's and Bad kids being Don't-bee's I can not but help to > remember that show every time i hear about the Doobees. > Uh...that would be Romper Room, and what the "Magic Mirror" would be able to see. (Whether you were a "good" doo-bee or not.) Embarrassingly showing her age with hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: njc doobee's /say-leen - --- jan gyn wrote: > At 12:39 PM 3/13/01 -0800, BRIAN SYMES wrote: > >Any Mature TV kid's remember the show about good > childen being > >Do-bee's and Bad kids being Don't-bee's I can not > but help to > >remember that show every time i hear about the > Doobees. my mom used to always sing that tune to me, i guess it was from that show-- "do be a good bee and don't be a bad bee" which is ironic, if you know my mom... alison e. in nyc Yahoo! 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NJC According to a recent interview, one song that won't be on his upcoming album is a song entitled: "I Agree With Pat Metheny" Darn ... that's the one I really want to hear! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:01:02 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Hating Celine NJC the wonderful Harper Lou opined: > Let's be respectable listers. Hating Celine? Oh c'mon now! > How can you hate her, she's only a pop > singer? When I go to to baseball games at my beloved Comiskey Park, I see some fans wear shirts that say "Cubs Suck." That may be true (and actually is close to truth) BUT I am a White Sox fan and I define myself as a Sox fan, by what I like, not by what I don't. We are here as Joni fans. Why trash on someone else? Why define ourselves by who we don't like? There are over 800 members here, and some of them are bound to be Celine Dion fans. Why insult them? I suspect that is why some people lurk, because they see their own personal likes and dislikes treated condenscendingly. I am not a Celine Dion fan but I cannot fathom why I or anyone would waste time to insult her and demean her and her fans. That's like wearing a Cubs Suck t-short. That is defining yourself, and spending a lot of time defining yourself, by what you claim you don't like. I am here becasue I am for Joni. Now I've debated Eminem and a thousand other things in here but there we have issues at hand there that are not about insulting someone's personal tastes. To just knock Celine Dion or anyone else, well, I am just not for it. I think we insult her fans, hurt people who are members here, and what issue is at hand, why define ourselves by attacking Celine Dion or anyone else? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #120 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?