From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #118 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 118 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (now NJC) Joni's granddaughter in the middle of divorce from hell [Ro] Just say no to Celine Dion NJC [susan+rick ] NJC-shawn colvin [Kammass@aol.com] Attention Englanders and Irelanders [AsharaJM@aol.com] guesses about jonatha... NJC [Yael Harlap ] joni reference [Yael Harlap ] what does this word mean? ["Thom Byrd" ] Re: MAC & the chat room ;-( -NJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] Creeque Alley (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Grammar (VLJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Grammar (VLJC) (md) [Catherine McKay ] Re: what does this word mean? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni in BC (Lord Jim's Lodge) [Artheobeat@aol.com] SIQUOMB [AsharaJM@aol.com] teasing-NJC--NP-Gillian Welch-Revival ["Jack Neilson" ] Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC [susan+rick ] And the grammar winners are ........ ["william" ] Re: SIQUOMB [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: MAC & the chat room NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] Grammar (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: SIQUOMB [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums [Don Rowe ] Re: Inner Circle (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC [Laurent Fonquerne ] Re: SIQUOMB [Barbara Hirahara ] Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC [catman ] Re: SIQUOMB ["Kakki" ] Re: SIQUOMB [Barbara Hirahara ] Welcome [Vince Lavieri ] welcome!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: welcome!!!! njc [mags ] Re: Grammar (VLJC) (md) [Fauchja@aol.com] njc just jb ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums [Catherine McKay ] Fw: Webster should add these! NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: SIQUOMB, now njc ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC [Catherine Udall Turley ] She don't like my grammar ["kerry" ] Re: NJC Doobies [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: SIQUOMB [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:07:30 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: (now NJC) Joni's granddaughter in the middle of divorce from hell I just wanted to respond to the post below: there is essentially no Joni content, so many of you may wish to skip over this. I clearly do not know the whole picture here, but my post was in response to the National Post's article and that alone, and my main objection was to the paper's giving this difficult personal situation high profile coverage mostly - if not only - because Kilauren Gibb is the daughter of a celebrity. Proof of point: in the headline on the front page of that issue, Joni Mitchell is the person mentioned by name. And I still take exception to that. I'd leave it at that, but Louise jumps very quickly to some serious conclusions, and I want to set things straight. Of course I do not think that 20-month-old children should be exposed to multiple allegations of child abuse without substantiating evidence, and for the record I respect the various media for the role they've played to help overturn several wrongful convictions in this country. I'm all for magazines and newspapers printing exposis of miscarriages of justice, so long as the cases they cite have been settled in court. Sick as much of it may be, our judicial system, like America's, is based on the presumption that a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Taking this only a small step further, I feel that using the details of a case that has not been decided to prove an editorial point is not reporting, it's puerile gossip. I think (naively, probably) that it's the justice system's responsibility to hold the court responsible for its bad decisions. The media are by nature biased (editorials are really just opinion forums) and reporters are not legally compelled to remain impartial. Newspaper articles are also very incomplete: in order to properly assess any case, you'd have to read the entire transcript, which few of us have the time or energy to do. So, I continue to think that, while I may not have the whole picture, I am unlikely to get it from newspaper or magazine articles. And at this point in this particular case, I don't necessarily have the right to. As for the National Post I didn't say I was ashamed of it, I said I hated it. Nobody I know likes it. If you want to know why I hate it, you provided the answer: "The National Post did not cover most of the more controversial or lurid details of this case..." Well, aren't they brave! I said I was, once again, ashamed of the Canadian media. If I were a citizen of the U.S. or the U.K., I'd probably be even more ashamed. It might seem that very little of the Canadian public agrees with me, but I couldn't care less. I read the Post a few times a week, so my opinion isn't based on one cursory perusal. If I based my taste on what the majority of my fellow Canadians liked, I'd be on the Ciline Dion Discussion List. Louise, nothing you said was rude. If you want to continue this discussion, fine. I'd like to know more in the way of facts about the charges you've made against the family courts. But let's take it offlist. Very best, Roberto Louise wrote: > I just have to respond to Roberto, because I fail to understand why he objects > to the exposure of the serious problem in Canada of false allegations in the > family courts. If he thinks that 20 month old children should be exposed to > multiple allegations of child abuse without substantiating evidence, and > should have their entire paternal family eliminated as a result, then I just > have to disagree with him. The National Post did not cover most of the more > controversial and lurid details of this case, but the family courts of Canada > are sick, and they destroy infant children like Joni's granddaughter on a > daily basis. The reason why they got so sick in the first place is because > the media does not hold the court accountable for its bad decisions. As for > being ashamed of the National Post, it is the leading national newspaper in > the country after less than three years of publishing in this country. It > would seem that very little of the Canadian public agrees with Roberto. I > also feel a great compassion for Joni Mitchell, as she has had to deal with a > very disturbed situation and with no end in sight. I think she has every > right to be falling in love with her beautiful granddaughter, who looks just > like her, and that does not take away from the adoptive grandparents at all. > I don't mean to be rude, but Roberto doesn't know the whole picture here, and > it is not pretty. > > Louise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:18:47 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC In the context of a completely different discussion Robert Holliston wrote >If I based my taste on what the majority of my fellow Canadians liked, I'd be on the Celine Dion Discussion List. Roberto, I'm pretty sure you're joking here but I have to speak up for Canadians everywhere and say that while Celine Dion may have more fans than Joni, I can't accept that the "majority" of Canadians like her as a performer. That is too painful and embarrassing to contemplate. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:08:26 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: NJC-shawn colvin I'd like to thank the JMDLers who like Shawn Colvin and post about her often. Ya'll posts sparked my curiosity. My husband liked her when "a few small repairs" was released. For that Christmas, I purchased AFSR CD and "live '88"; but I never listened to them. I have to admit, I had a case of closed-mindedness and Elmopallozza opened it! In Elmopallozza, Shawn Colvin sings a song about the moon that has the most wonderful meaning. My son and I have listened to this for the past week. This morning I decided to listen to "live '88", and I absolutely love it! I'm a sucker for someone with a beautiful voice playing acoustic! Anyway, just wanted to thank yall for this tip and express this to everyone. Oh, and now I'm very curious about this "Jonatha".!? Does anyone have any suggestions, if I was to purchase a CD? Kammy NP-Shawn Colvin-Dont You Think I feel It Too And, Ashara, I'm hoping to attend, but aren't sure as of yet! Will definitely make a donation of some sort! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:19:54 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention Englanders and Irelanders I'm sorry to say that the England/Ireland trip that Sal and I planned for July will have to wait. With the continued reports of hoof and mouth disease, we thought it would be best to wait for that particular trip. I must say I was very much looking forward to meeting a lot of you, and reconnecting with others. So....watch out others all over the world!! We may be deciding on a locale near You!! LOL!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:30:59 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: guesses about jonatha... NJC Paz wrote: >Sorry! No one has guessed yet! I don't mean to be mean, but I really don't >wanna jinx it. If things work out it could be a big feather in the JMDL cap >featuring on of our more wonderful listers and an huge asset to the list. We >are an amazing community! Need to know! Need to know! Is one of our esteemed listers (Kate Bennet perhaps? or one of the many other talents?) going to be Jonatha's opener on her tour??? And if so will the wonderful person take jmdlers backstage to chat and hang out (with you AND jb)? :) That's my guess. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:34:51 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: joni reference Every other day I get an e-mail from my favorite magazine, the UTNE reader. The e-mail features 3 websites with interesting, quirky and timely stories from the alternative press. One of them this morning is: They Paved Pears and Rice and Put Up a Parking Lot by Lester R. Brown, Grist - -- The automobile is making inroads in densely populated developing countries like China and India, where cropland may be sacrificed for highways. The link to the article itself (in case anyone wants to read it, though it is not related to Joni): http://www.utne.com/webwatch - -Yael ps: sorry if this has already been sent - I am on digest. pps: and thus if Paz lets the jonatha brooke cat out of the bag, someone e-mail me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:56:37 -0500 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: what does this word mean? Siquomb * _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:44:44 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: MAC & the chat room ;-( -NJC In a message dated 3/6/01 6:15:32 PM, rnsc@direct.ca writes: << It's not your G4, Artheo. >> I needed to upgrade my JAVA, so I went to the Apple website and did it for FREE! Working great now - though I seldom find anyone in the room -or- list of names present but no response to chat? TIA, Artheo NP - 'Animal Logic II', by: Animal Logic ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:46:27 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Creeque Alley (NJC) Thank you so much, Kakki, for posting this! My favorite M & P song. If I'm not mistaken, Creeque Alley is in Charlotte Amalie, on St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands. Or that's what some locals told me when I was there.... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Grammar (VLJC) - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > As for "ain't", it could be argued that it's not so > much grammatically wrong > as sloppy - or just colloquial - English I agree - I don't see why we think of it as "wrong" - it ain't wrong! I think it's a form of class-ism. > > One of my favourite grammatical howlers is in Paul > McCartney's Live & Let > Die, which contains the immortal line > > "But in this ever-changing world in which we live > in" That one drives me nuts too - I tried to convince myself that maybe he was really saying "in this ever-changing world in which we're living", but it ain't never worked for me. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:58:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Grammar (VLJC) (md) - --- Louis Lynch wrote: > Grammar and poetry are circles that intersect but do > not overlap. Omigod! Venn diagrams! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:01:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: what does this word mean? Thom Byrd wrote: > Siquomb * She Is Queen Undisputed Of Mind and Beauty. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:07:23 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC - --- susan+rick wrote: > In the context of a completely different discussion > Robert Holliston wrote > >If I based my taste on what the majority of my > fellow Canadians liked, I'd be > on the Celine Dion Discussion List. > > Roberto, I'm pretty sure you're joking here but I > have to speak up for > Canadians everywhere and say that while Celine Dion > may have more fans than > Joni, I can't accept that the "majority" of > Canadians like her as a > performer. That is too painful and embarrassing to > contemplate. > Make this one more Canadian who cannot *stand* Celine Dion. Make her and her obnoxious old fart of a husband and her poor baby (who seems to be the second coming of JC the way the media react and report) just go away and live quiet lives for a loooong time, just like the rest of us suburbanites. Somebody really ought to tell those people to just shut up - they are so embarassing! In many ways, I don't really blame Celine - I suspect (n fact, I kind of *hope*)she's not all that bright and that, because she has been *managed* by her husband since she was a kid, that she has been totally manipulated into believing all the BS that she speaks. P.S. I also hate the Canadian Post. To me, it's just the Toronto Sun on a "national" basis. The very fact that it belongs to Conrad Black makes my blood run cold. But maybe that's just my kneejerk socialist reaction to his particular form of capitalism. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:15:56 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: what does this word mean? In a message dated 3/12/01 10:00:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, thombyrd@hotmail.com writes: << Siquomb * >> t's not a word, it's an acronym. She Is Queen Undisputed Of Mind Beauty. Look in the JMDL archives for the full explanation of Joni's little fantasy writing when she was a teenager. That's from whence it sprung. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:24:30 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Inner Circle (NJC) The PazMan wrote: >It's a DAMN conspiracy I tell you!!! It's that inner circle thing rasing >it's ugly head again. Dammit, Paz, you were not supposed to talk about that EVER AGAIN! I am calling a meeting of the Supreme Council, and recommending that you be booted immediately. As Kakki is currently SWISMOTIC (She Who Is Supreme Mistress Of The Inner Circle) I would say your chances don't look good, my friend! NP: Fooled Again "It's A Joke", live concert recording, April 1 1967. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:25:32 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in BC (Lord Jim's Lodge) In a message dated 3/7/01 11:40:55 PM, steve@psitech.com writes: << Is that near Lord Jim's Lodge >> The site of Joni's topless knitting affair! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:39:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: SIQUOMB Thom asked: What does this word mean? From the article "From Blue to Indigo" written by William Ruhlman, Goldmine Magazine, February 17, 1995: "Unlike nearly all aspiring songwriters, the Mitchells put their business together properly at the start. "The one thing I had was my own publishing company," Joni said. "Chuck and I set up two publishing companies. That was at his instigation. That was very insightful." Joni's company was called Siquomb Publishing, and the name came from one of her many writing projects. As she would explain on Philadelphia radio station WMMR in March 1967, she was writing a mythology, the names of its various members derived from acronyms based on descriptive phrases. There were, for instance, a race of miniature women, the Posall ("Perhaps Our Souls Are Little Ladies"), and men, the Mosalm ("Maybe Our Souls Are Little Men"). Siquomb was the queen of the mythology, her name meaning, "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty." Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:42:32 -0800 From: "Jack Neilson" Subject: teasing-NJC--NP-Gillian Welch-Revival Paz, if you don't wantta jinx it, quit giving us little teeny tiny itsy bitsy clues.....BTW , Is "back Dat Assup" correct english or is rap excluded..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:44:38 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: MAC & the chat room NJC On 3/12/01 7:44 AM, Artheobeat@aol.com wrote >Working great now - though I seldom find anyone in the room -or- list > of names present but no response to chat? I live on the west coast and by the time I get in the room everyone from the east is going to bed. I found the lag time of different users varies considerably and some people I made comments to never responded. The end result is that I don't plan to go back. Too much like a big noisy party compared to the listserve which is more like a quiet dinner party. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:52:20 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC I actually watched a Celine Dion interview once (for as long as I could) and she came across as kind of sweet and simple in a Quebecois farm-country kind of way (whatever that means!) but I still make an anti-vampire cross with my fingers every time I see her sing. Ranger Rick On 3/12/01 8:07 AM, Catherine McKay wrote > Make this one more Canadian who cannot *stand* Celine > Dion. In many ways, I don't really blame > Celine - I suspect (n fact, I kind of *hope*)she's not > all that bright and that, because she has been > *managed* by her husband since she was a kid, that she > has been totally manipulated into believing all the BS > that she speaks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:00:11 +0700 From: "william" Subject: And the grammar winners are ........ To all of you who posted grammar errors for my classroom exercise, on and off line, I'm much indebted. Thanks. I think Marian's and Azeem's observations tie for first prize. Sorry Wally, you were too clever! Marian cited a Dylan line, When the pool of tears beneath my feet flood every new born seed. Azeem wrote of McCartney's, But in this ever changing world in which we live in. Runner-up - Is you is or is you ain't my baby? Man, I have a whole lesson on the go. Thanks everyone. Still giggling at the thought of Joni singing, Doesn't it always seems to go ........ Rules is mean to be broke. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:02:36 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: SIQUOMB In a message dated 3/12/01 11:48:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: << From the article "From Blue to Indigo" written by William Ruhlman, Goldmine Magazine, February 17, 1995: "Unlike nearly all aspiring songwriters, the Mitchells put their business together properly at the start. "The one thing I had was my own publishing company," Joni said. "Chuck and I set up two publishing companies. That was at his instigation. That was very insightful." Joni's company was called Siquomb Publishing, and the name came from one of her many writing projects. As she would explain on Philadelphia radio station WMMR in March 1967, she was writing a mythology, the names of its various members derived from acronyms based on descriptive phrases. There were, for instance, a race of miniature women, the Posall ("Perhaps Our Souls Are Little Ladies"), and men, the Mosalm ("Maybe Our Souls Are Little Men"). Siquomb was the queen of the mythology, her name meaning, "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty." Hugs, Ashara >> Why don't we simply post this on the list EVERY monday instead of waiting for newbies to ask, since it seems that's about how often it gets posted anyway. Again, I suggest there ought to be an FAQ as part of the welcome message that gets sent to newbies, and most certainly it should include this one. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:18:20 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: MAC & the chat room NJC Rick said:- > I live on the west coast and by the time I get in the room everyone from the > east is going to bed. I found the lag time of different users varies > considerably and some people I made comments to never responded. The end > result is that I don't plan to go back. Too much like a big noisy party > compared to the listserve which is more like a quiet dinner party. I think you should give it a second chance! Occasionally the software goes wrong, which results in people who appear to be there but never respond. That aside, it's been great for me, and I'm in a timezone that's just as wierd as you. Possibly more wierd: I have to stay up very late to catch even the east coast crowd. When the balance of people is right, it's a great place to be. - --Chris Chris Marshall (remotely, via the laptop) Secure Systems Integration Ltd chris@secure-si.co.uk T: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 F: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:19:57 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Grammar (NJC) My buddy Marcel wrote: >2) Is "Rama lama ding dong" in any way grammatically correct? Yes! >5) Is "dip dadip dadip" in any tense at all. Past, obviously. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:44:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: SIQUOMB <> Paul, that's a great idea and there's nothing stopping you from doing that. You might even want to build your own FAQ and send it to a newbie when they introduce themselves to the list. It would certainly give newbies a better impression of you than they normally get! :~) Bob NP: Doobies, "Toulouse Street" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:14:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums Found this page out there, a Brit reviews Joni's catalogue, a quick read, a mistake or two, but it should give you a chuckle or two as well... http://www.btinternet.com/~caffeine/joni.html Bob NP: Doobies, "Neal's Fandango" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums Wild Things Run Fast (1982): *** Mitchell returned with this album, which was actually co-produced by a young modern producer, _______________ Considering the abuse I take around here ... this is damned charitable! Larry Klein ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:39:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Inner Circle (NJC) Dear Mr. Dulson, The IC technical committee addressed this issue over the weekend. It was found that Mr. Paz had not been given the special IC Mac users code to enter the chatroom. That code was later sent to him via the usual secured channels. As a side note, it was also discovered that he is not aware of the secret handshake (this issue shall be addressed at our next party, er, meeting). In other matters, members have voted that the definition of SWISMOTIC not be included in the general FAQ section of the JMDL. ;-D Kakki > The PazMan wrote: > > >It's a DAMN conspiracy I tell you!!! It's that inner circle thing rasing > >it's ugly head again. > > Dammit, Paz, you were not supposed to talk about that EVER AGAIN! I am > calling a meeting of the Supreme Council, and recommending that you be > booted immediately. As Kakki is currently SWISMOTIC (She Who Is Supreme > Mistress Of The Inner Circle) I would say your chances don't look good, > my friend! > > NP: Fooled Again "It's A Joke", live concert recording, April 1 1967. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:01:26 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums How is TTT her most "noisiest" record yet? And sounds "nothing" like her previous records. Silly review. I did find it quite amusing how he just went up and said how DED is "shit," Eventhough I love the album myself. BLair >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: Subject: Thumbnail >reviews of Joni's albums Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:14:04 EST > >Found this page out there, a Brit reviews Joni's catalogue, a quick read, a >mistake or two, but it should give you a chuckle or two as well... > >http://www.btinternet.com/~caffeine/joni.html > >Bob > >NP: Doobies, "Neal's Fandango" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:28:31 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: SIQUOMB Paul, in his usual grumpy way, said: > Why don't we simply post this on the list EVERY monday instead of waiting > for newbies to ask, since it seems that's about how often it gets posted > anyway. > Oh Paul, how I WISH that you would lighten up! I think the general consensus of this group is to WELCOME newbies, not make them feel as if they are a burden, or that they don't belong. Your statement of "every" Monday is a gross exaggeration. Did your keyboard "not" come with a delete button? Why do you even stay on this list if all you seem to want to do is put people down, and pull the overall feeling of this group down with you? To all newbies and not-so-newbies: KEEP ASKING any questions you may want to know. I, for one, am VERY happy to take the extra 5 minutes to try to find an answer. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:35:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Doobies <> The Doobies were one of my first loves. I saw them on the tour for this record (Stampede) and thought they were great, especially "Cheat the Hangman"... The Doobies get shortchanged, and I wish they hadn't re-formed and done the reunion tour thing, but in the prime they rocked! Very few acts can string up 3 great records in a row, and imo they had a four-timer: Toulouse Street Captain & Me What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits Stampede Their debut was flawed, as was "Takin' it to the Streets", but these 4 are superb! For me they still hold up and have only improved with time. Nice production by Ted Templeman, and featuring Little Feat's Billy Payne on keys and Skunk Baxter on guitars. I always enjoyed Tiran Porter's bass work and thought he was underrated... Bob NP: The Doors, "The Changeling" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:44:48 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Inner Circle (NJC) >That code was later sent to him via the usual secured >channels. As a side note, it was also discovered that he is not aware of the >secret handshake (this issue shall be addressed at our next party, er, >meeting). Whew! I should have know that you'd have everything under control. We can just pray that the list doesn't find out about this! They'd never let us live it down. IC-12 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:52:51 +0100 From: Laurent Fonquerne Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC Celine Dion is a good performer, Joni's voice is more emotiononal,more 'borderline' (I can cry on it, really !) you can't compare them. In France, following the french Album of Celine Dion written by Jean-Jacques Goldman, whe had a lot of good performers just like her with bad texts. It's the opposite for Joni. Very good lyrics with a 'not so technical' voice (but what a voice ...) Laurent susan+rick a icrit : > In the context of a completely different discussion Robert Holliston wrote > >If I based my taste on what the majority of my fellow Canadians liked, I'd be > on the Celine Dion Discussion List. > > Roberto, I'm pretty sure you're joking here but I have to speak up for > Canadians everywhere and say that while Celine Dion may have more fans than > Joni, I can't accept that the "majority" of Canadians like her as a > performer. That is too painful and embarrassing to contemplate. > > Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:51:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums After I finished hissing, this is the one that gave me the most chuckles: Misses (1996): *** I didn't understand the point of this album. It contained most of Joni's shit ass songs like "Dog Eat Dog" and "For the Roses". There are a few good ones, like "Hejira" and "A Case of You", but I would advise buying the "Hits" album first. Highlights: Hejira A Case of You Harry's House/Centerpiece ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:11:03 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: SIQUOMB > To all newbies and not-so-newbies: > > KEEP ASKING any questions you may want to know. I, for one, am VERY happy to > take the extra 5 minutes to try to find an answer. > > Hugs, > Ashara Thank you Ashara, I've been lurking for a few days and wondering if there was a protocol or a way to introduce myself to the list. As a newbie should I list my all time Joni favorites? Tell you what concerts I've been to? Or do I simply tell you who I am? I get quite bored trying to impress people on line. So, any advice as to content, would be welcomed. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:21:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC Laurent Fonquerne wrote: > Celine Dion is a good performer I quite agree but it obviously is not hip to think so! reminds me of school days when we all banded abiut our PinK Floyd, Black Sabbath etc but trashed ABBA even tho we all had their stuff hidden at home! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:34:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: songwriting & more on Jonatha vljc Pat & Michael, I really enjoyed reading your posts on songwriting & performing. Gosh, if I had been hanging out with Joni I am not sure whether I would have said why bother or whether it would have inspired me to greater heights. Maybe both. I still feel like that when I hear great songwriters. Mostly it just inspires me to do better since I have already foolishly decided to put myself out there anyway. Speaking of inspiring. I just got Jonatha's Steady Pull. I liked it right off the bat & have now listened to it several times. Michael, when you see her, tell Jonatha I BOW to her funkiness! Loved it, every bit. I really love the extra track version of How Deep Is Your Love. Oh La La! >>>If things work out it could be a big feather in the JMDL cap featuring on of our more wonderful listers and an huge asset to the list. We are an amazing community!<<< #2 Guess- she loves Joni & is joining the jmdl!? (when she isn't on the road that is) and Les is going to interview her for the site? Can you tell I am relentless when it comes to secrets? ;~} ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:04:09 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Doobies Bob, VH-1 was recently airing a feature on them. They absolutely were one of the best groups of the 70s. While I agree with your choices of the early albums, some of the music on the later albums, like "One Step Closer" and "Minute by Minute" with Michael MacDonald still give me the chills. Another example of some of the incredible music from just regular guys that came out of Northern California back in the 60s-70s. I never got to see them live until '97 at a free Fourth of July party near Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco. They were still pretty good, if not exactly the same. Patrick Simmons' gone gray long hair was a little disconcerting, too. ;-) There is a vinyl Doobies album that I picked up in the late 70s that has some of their earliest stuff, outtakes and demos on it. Do you have this one or have you heard of it? I've got it packed away but can easily dig it out if you want more information. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:08:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: SIQUOMB Welcome Barbara and other new listers and delurkers! There is no protocol here. Just say what you feel - we always love to hear from new people! Kakki > Thank you Ashara, I've been lurking for a few days and wondering if > there was a protocol or a way to introduce myself to the list. As a > newbie should I list my all time Joni favorites? Tell you what concerts > I've been to? Or do I simply tell you who I am? I get quite bored > trying to impress people on line. So, any advice as to content, would > be welcomed. > > Love & Peace, > > Barbara Hirahara > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:58:17 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: SIQUOMB I first fell in love with Joni's music while having my portrait done. The artist had been into Joni since her first album, I just sat, and listened and wept. It was 1972 and I had lost both my parents and I was barely 19. Since then Joni's music has been a source of strength, wisdom and insight into my world of private emotions. It always seems as if she is singing a song she wrote, just for me and my life circumstances at the time. I moved to the San Joaquin valley and was quite surprised to meet my husband who was the only other person in this part of the world who owned Joni music and listened to it as regularly as I did. So I was fooling around the web looking for the lyric's to "Heart and Mind" when I came across this list. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:14:37 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Welcome Barbara, welcome to our Joni family! Barbara Hirahara wrote: > I get quite bored > trying to impress people on line. Don't we all! One nice thing about the JMDL is that people here are pretty much past the trying-to-impress-each-other stage. There are a lot of really wonderful people in here, a lot of friendships have been made, and there is a sense of community here flund not many places. > So, any advice as to content, would > be welcomed. > > Anything. Take care, (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:50:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: welcome!!!! njc hey barbara! welcome home! there's nothing special you should do to ''belong''. you may want to reply to what somebody else has written or you may want to send a poem or a recipe or a love letter or your impressions on joni. the only thing that matters [and this goes to all members, whether newbies, oldies, lurkers, publics and babylon whores] is to participate whenever you feel like, lay off the attitude and label ''njc'' for ''no joni content''. again, glad you are here and ask/post/dream away! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:10:19 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: welcome!!!! njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > hey barbara! welcome home! > there's nothing special you should do to ''belong''. you may want to reply > to what somebody else has written or you may want to send a poem or a recipe > or a love letter or your impressions on joni. the only thing that matters > [and this goes to all members, whether newbies, oldies, lurkers, publics and > babylon whores] is to participate whenever you feel like, lay off the > attitude and label ''njc'' for ''no joni content''. > again, glad you are here and ask/post/dream away! > wallyK couldnt have said it better myself...welcome Barbara and all other newbies...we are so glad you found us!!! Tell us more. Mags np: Is This All.....Jonatha Brooke LIVE <<<------this CD rocks!!!!!! - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:14:47 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Grammar (VLJC) (md) Not to mention goo goo ga joob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:39:40 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: njc just jb I heard a bird say JB might be lurking, so this is what I wrote for her A beautiful voice vibrating like guitar strings strung tight to my ears my heart was beating like the hail falling on the the skylight over your head what does it mean you ask? the return of the sun a steady pull that can reverse the rain to travel so high let it freeze and let it fall to become the drummer for your first song brian symes (an architect with a minor muse) music millennium 2-21-2001 ps dear kate b i am sure i will turn a heart quake out for you if i ever make it to a performance of yours Brian (Irish by way of Castle Blaney)Symes - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC - --- Mike Hicks wrote: > She can still sing with the very best of 'em. I'm > not a big Celine > fan, but you cannot deny the talent. That's true - she's got the tonsils, but it ain't to my taste! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:01:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC - --- susan+rick wrote: > I actually watched a Celine Dion interview once (for > as long as I could) and > she came across as kind of sweet and simple in a > Quebecois farm-country kind > of way (whatever that means!) but I still make an > anti-vampire cross with my > fingers every time I see her sing. > I'm sure she's a very nice person. I just think she's very naive or something and that it relates very closely to the Svengali-like influence of the evil old man she's married to (maybe he's a nice man too, but there's something about that relationship that gives me the creeps!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC - --- catman wrote: > Laurent Fonquerne wrote: > > > Celine Dion is a good performer > > I quite agree but it obviously is not hip to think > so! Laurent, you're probably listening to her most en francais. She's much better singing in French than in English. It's much more natural. It's not Celine I can't stand - it's the whole genre of overly emotive over-the-top singing that drives me 'round the bend. Having said that, there are one or two songs of hers that I do quite like - the one that comes to me is "Love can move mountains" (or is it Faith? I dunno, but IMO it's a good song and maybe she should do more of that kind.) Salut. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:14:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SIQUOMB - --- Barbara Hirahara wrote: > I first fell in love with Joni's music while having > my portrait done. Wow, Barbara - that is quite an intro! > I moved to the San Joaquin valley and was quite > surprised to meet my > husband who was the only other person in this part > of the world who > owned Joni music and listened to it as regularly as > I did. You're so lucky - to have a husband who not only knows who Joni is, but who listens to her! Must make choices around your house of what music to listen to a bit easier than some of us others! > So I was fooling around the web looking for the > lyric's to "Heart and > Mind" when I came across this list. And welcome to it - to you and any other newbies. The morether, the merrier. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Thumbnail reviews of Joni's albums - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Found this page out there, a Brit reviews Joni's > catalogue, a quick read, a mistake or two, but it > should give you a chuckle or two as well... > > http://www.btinternet.com/~caffeine/joni.html > Ahhh yes - another DED fan! Hmm, Joni being eaten alive by wild dogs? That's an interesting take on it! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: welcome!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: whether > and this goes to all members...babylon whores i love it when wally includes me in his posts... makes me feel so spayshul. welcome barbara, and all other newcomers, including laurent, our first (that i can think of?) frenchie. bonjour, laurent! je ne me souviens pas comment dit on "welcome" en francais! a bientot, alison e. in nyc Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:36:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Webster should add these! NJC To go with the grammar thread: > > > > > >>10 Words That Don't Exist, But Should > > >>1. AQUADEXTROUS (ak wa deks'trus) adj. > > >>Possessing the ability to turn the bathtub tap on and off with your > > >>toes. > > >>2. CARPERPETUATION (kar'pur pet u a shun) n. > > >>The act, when vacuuming, of running over a string or a piece of lint at > > >>least a dozen times, reaching over and picking it up, examining it, then > > >>putting it back down to give the vacuum one more chance. > > >>3. DISCONFECT (dis kon fekt') v. > > >>To sterilize the piece of confection (lolly) you dropped on the floor > > >>by blowing on it, assuming this will somehow 'remove' all the germs. > > >>4. ELBONICS (el bon'iks) n. > > >>The actions of two people maneuvering for one armrest in a movie > > >>theater. > > >>5. FRUST (frust) n. > > >>The small line of debris that refuses to be swept onto the dust pan and > > >>keeps backing a person across the room until he finally decides to give > up > > >>and sweep it under the rug. > > >>6. LACTOMANGULATION (lak' to man gyu lay' shun) n. > > >>Manhandling the "open here" spout on a milk container so badly that one > > >>has to resort to the 'illegal' side. > > >>7. PEPPIER (peph ee ay') n. > > >>The waiter at a fancy restaurant whose sole purpose seems to be walking > > >>around asking diners if they want fresh ground pepper. > > >>8. PHONESIA (fo nee' zhuh) n. > > >>The affliction of dialing a phone number and forgetting whom you were > > >>calling just as they answer. > > >>9. PUPKUS (pup'kus) n. > > >>The moist residue left on a window after a dog presses its nose to it. > > >>10. TELECRASTINATION (tel e kras tin ay' shun) n. > > >>The act of always letting the phone ring at least twice before you pick > > >>it up, even when you're only six inches away. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:43:02 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: SIQUOMB, now njc >Paul, that's a great idea and there's nothing stopping you from doing that. >You might even want to build your own FAQ and send it to a newbie when they >introduce themselves to the list. > >It would certainly give newbies a better impression of you than they >normally get! :~) > >Bob Aw, c'mon, Bob! Everyone needs to have their personal experience with our very own curmudgeon! ;-D Keep those barbs honed, Paul! Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:44:17 +0000 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Re: Just say no to Celine Dion NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > Laurent, you're probably listening to her most en > francais. She's much better singing in French than in > English. It's much more natural. It's not Celine I > can't stand - it's the whole genre of overly emotive > over-the-top singing that drives me 'round the bend. A big me too on this post. Celine is usually one of my favorite targets of ridicule (I *loved* Ana Gasteyer's 'Celine Dion Show' parody on SNL) but then a friend who should know better sent me a tape of Celine singing in French and I have to admit I could actually stand it. Definitely not so canned sounding as her English language hits, and fewer moments of emotional shouting. Catherine T. in Seattle (who can't believe she admitted to Celine tolerance in "public") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:01:32 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: welcome!!!! njc > bonjour, laurent! je ne me souviens pas comment dit on > "welcome" en francais! bienvenu! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:49:23 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: She don't like my grammar >>Grammar and poetry are circles that intersect but do not overlap. Poetry simply doesn't follow the rules of grammar, and it never did.>> Excellent point! This was interesting to me because I'm usually very picky about what I read. As this topic was being discussed, the line, "so I bought me a ticket, I caught a plane to Spain" popped into my head. If I would hear someone say that to me I would cringe, but it doesn't sound odd in the song. (And I never thought about it till now!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:52:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Doobies <<"One Step Closer" and "Minute by Minute" with Michael MacDonald still give me the chills. >> While I think bits & pieces of those are great, (and Livin' On The Fault Line as well) they don't move me like the Tom Johnston Doobs. I just love his "awk", and I'm a sucker for the chunka-chunka guitar! They were from San Jose if my memory serves me correctly... << There is a vinyl Doobies album that I picked up in the late 70s that has some of their earliest stuff, outtakes and demos on it. Do you have this one or have you heard of it? I've got it packed away but can easily dig it out if you want more information.>> I think I know what this is Kakki...I actually had this myself at one point, and sold it after I recorded parts of it as filler on tape. I remember being so awed by the original version of "Another Park, Another Sunday" (what a gorgeous tune!) with alternative lyrics. I'd love to hear that record again. If you dig it out, let me know... Bob NP: Steve Goldberger, "Weekends With the Local Fringe" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:55:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: SIQUOMB << It always seems as if she is singing a song she wrote, just for me and my life circumstances at the time. >> We ALL know the feelin' Barbara...thanks for the introduction, glad to have you here! I would imagine that losing your parents at the age of 19 would be devastating, I'm so sorry for your loss. Bob NP: Steve Goldberger, "Doctor My Eyes" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #118 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?