From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #116 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 116 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #80 [Nancy ] moons and junes NJC ["Jack Neilson" ] A Dylan grammatical error - NJC ["Marian" ] Re: sharing the full moon [NJC] [Kammass@aol.com] Ramona Kasheer and band - NJC ["Marian" ] Re: Ramona Kasheer and band - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: She don't like my grammar ["John van Tiel" ] Re: Ramona Kasheer and band - NJC ["Marian" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #115 ["Sally A. Bowers" ] Re: the klan (forgive the rant) ["P. Henry Boland" ] Re: scrabble afternoon(njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: She don't like my grammar [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: She don't like my grammar [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #115 [Catherine McKay ] Joni's granddaughter in the middle of divorce from hell ["Louise" ] Jonatha? was:Re: chatroom njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: chatroom njc [Michael Paz ] Re: She don't like my grammar ["Mark or Travis" ] scrabble afternoon NJC [MP123A321@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:56:34 -0600 From: Nancy Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #80 I only got the beginning of the digest, it says it is truncated. Not able to access rest of message. Can you attempt to resend it? Thank you! Nancy-IA onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 080 > > The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > preganant Joni Dream [catman ] > The 2-book set "Crosby, Stills, Nash and sometimes Young" ["Francesco L] > Re: Jonifest [FMYFL@aol.com] > Attention UK JMDLers! [Gertus@aol.com] > Tower Records [Jerry Notaro ] > Re: Joni's Most Underrated? ["Mike Hicks" ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 02:51:41 -0800 From: "Jack Neilson" Subject: moons and junes NJC In this small world, does anybody know of Kate and/or Catesby from the Boston area.?BTW, I love how we are able to share that incredible moon even from this digital list.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:04:57 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: A Dylan grammatical error - NJC In the song, Every Grain Of Sand, Dylan sings: "When the pool of tears beneath my feet flood every newborn stream" (should be "floods") Sometimes grammatical errors are intentional, but in this case it doesn't seem to be so. Marian Vienna NPIMH - Crossroad - Ramona Kasheer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:42:51 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: sharing the full moon [NJC] Julius wrote: "no sugar mountain anymore" what a wonderful line! It sums up everything sooo well!! Kammy np=son of a preacher man-dusty springfield ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:51:57 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Ramona Kasheer and band - NJC I have been going to Ramona Kasheer's concerts since Manhard first posted about her late last year. There was one in January, which I posted about, one in February, and one just this last week. I managed to take some digital photos of her and have put a few of the nicer ones up on the following page, if anyone is interested: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/ramona.htm The page takes a little time to load because of the photos. Her music is a gorgeous as she is and I hope other listers will someday get a chance to hear her. Marian Vienna NPIMH: Faina - Ramona Kasheer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:51:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ramona Kasheer and band - NJC << I managed to take some digital photos of her and have put a few of the nicer ones up on the following page, if anyone is interested: >> Thanks, Marian! I'm anxious to hear her. Those pictures are great and I love a girl with an accordian! ;~) You're coming to Jonifest, right? Bob NP: Dave Matthews & EmmyLou, "Long Black Veil" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:35:52 +0100 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Re: She don't like my grammar Trey writes: >> My friends call me the GRAMMAR POLICE! LOL I've had many debates about it. It annoys me when it's gratuitous -- like nudity. << and plays: >> np - Longing Town, Duncan Sheik (I'm loving this record - a lot of the arrangements remind me of the great stuff on Court and Spark and For the Roses -- lots of strings and flutes and such... I really like it!! << and I think: What a pity the record has flutes instead of saxes ... no gratuitous nudity, but lots of gratuitous sax & senseless violins. ;-) Into words and suffering from an attitude today ... pissy prose and a prissy pose, that's where I'm at. From the coast of Holland, John NP: Bob's Joni Covers Project, Vol. 14 (Any Europeans who'd like a copy of this volume or any of the others, just contact me) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:32:05 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Ramona Kasheer and band - NJC wrote: > Those pictures are great and I love > a girl with an accordian! ;~) I just added one of Ramona playing piano and replaced some of the band pictures with some better ones I took last week. > You're coming to Jonifest, right? How I wish I could! At the moment I cannot say for sure, but it is doubtful. John wasn't well last year and he hasn't been doing too well again recently. I have to stay flexible about going away from now on, it seems. Also, as I grow older, I value more and more the time I can spend with my family - even if we're all just hanging out in the same place but doing our own things. Attending previous Jonifests, I felt a little strange about going away from them to do my own thing and I guess that feeling has grown even stronger. I find travelling to the USA too stressful if the trip is less than four or five days. Ashara's fest actually works out nicely travel-wise for me, but the bad thing is that labor day weekend coincides with the birthdays of my girls (1 and 3 Sept.), and they really want me to be home then. Last year I had planned to go to New Orleans instead of Boston, but then John got sick. Going to the USA is a long trip each way, too - at least ten hours if I have to change planes. Travelling to the USA is not so hard, it's the return trip where I basically lose a whole day that I really don't like. Anyway, I'm hoping that Karin in Germany is still planning her fest at the beginning of June. I would like to go there, since I could go there and return home without losing any annual leave and the journey each way is only a couple of hours. It would be nice if some other jimdlers could attend Karin's fest. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:33:52 -0500 From: "Sally A. Bowers" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #115 I am new to this listserve, actually have been a lurker for a long time. I live in Boston, and right before last years Joni fest, is when I joined this listserve. I did not go to Topsfield, I was a little to new at that point, but I would love to take part this year. Can someone tell me about the singing that goes on? Is there a band? Does anyone get up and do something, or do you have to be asked? This sound very intresting to me, I love to see others perform. Especially when they don't do it on a regular basis and have the guts to give it a shot. I wish I had those kind off guts, but sorry to say, I don't. I have really been getting into Joni Mitchell lately. I just bought three of her CD's to add to a long list of other's I own. I have bought Turbulant Indigo now, for the 4th time. I always seem to "loose track" of this album, or someone takes it! My next Joni album are down to these three, any votes on which: For The Roses Ladies Of The Canyon Taming The Tiger I am leaning towards Ladies Of The Canyon, what do you all think of this album? Mike In Boston JMDL Digest wrote: > > > JMDL Digest Sunday, March 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 115 > > > > The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be > found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, > a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. > > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Memorial Day in NYC [Michael Paz ] > Re: sharing the full moon [NJC] [Michael Paz ] > Re: Subject: Musical chairpersons NJC [Michael Paz Re: Joni/Kilauren [Michael Paz ] > Re: the klan [Michael Paz ] > Re: scrabble afternoon(njc) [WirlyPearl@aol.com] > Re: accents (njc) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] > Re: chatroom njc [Penny ] > Re: chatroom njc ["Kakki" ] > Re: chatroom njc [Michael Paz ] > Re: She don't like my grammar - NJC ["Kakki" ] > Re: chatroom njc ["Kakki" ] > Re: chatroom njc [Penny ] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:50:58 -0800 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Memorial Day in NYC > > David- > After further review by the Paz Tribe, it looks like finances and guilt may > prevent me from taking another long weekend away from the family. There is > NOwhere on earth I would rather be than with good friends around your piano > and enjoying a weekend of music. If I hit the lotto and the kids decede to > go to summer camp somewhere, I may have to phone my participation in. Please > put me over the column with Kakki to keep her compnay for know and see if > some MORE good fotune comes my way as I have been so blessed lately. My best > to all and actually I have heard there are other folks who have said they > will be there, you guys should write to David and get on the list. David, I > hope you can come over for Boston on Labor Day weekend. Atty May could use a > goodd dose of Lahm magic. Hope you all are well. > > love > > Paz > > NP-Damn Everything But The Circus-The Story > > on 3/9/01 7:13 PM, Dflahm@aol.com at Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Friends--- > > I have arranged for JUDY'S CHELSEA, the cabaret restaurant where my wife, > > Judy and I are partners, to be the site for a JoniFest on Saturday afternoon > > and evening and Sunday afternoon of Memorial Day weekend (May 26th and 27th). > > > > > YES SO FAR NO SO FAR MAYBE SO FAR > > Emily Gray Marcel > > Michael Paz > > Steve & Leslie Mixon Kakki > > Julius > > Victor Johnson > > Ashara > > MG > > Heather (Luvart) > > > > OK, that's it for now, DAVID > > LAHM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:53:01 -0800 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: sharing the full moon [NJC] > > you couldn't POSSIBLY mean ME....nah it couldn't be. I more in the jerk > category according to certain hostesses. > > Paz (Smirking) > > > god damn everything but the circus > > > > on 3/10/01 6:35 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > << No sugar mountain anymore. >> > > > > Wow & wow, Julius...this was a BEAUTIFUL piece!! > > > > I was going to share my poem, but after yours, well, I dunno....well, Ok... > > > > I was cruising in my Cadillac, > > Feeling like quite a goon > > Some good-looking chicks tried to pass > > So I shot them a big hairy moon! :~D > > > > Happy weekend, fellow goofballs!! You KNOW who you are... > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Kind Of Like Spitting, "Bird On A Wire" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:03:48 -0800 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Subject: Musical chairpersons NJC > > Hey K Be > stop DON'T stop! LoL > > Michael > > NP-Easier Than Sorry-The Story > > on 3/5/01 12:18 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > > > Harper Lou said, "Thanks to those who wrote about my survey on who is a > > full-time music person. > > Kate, you are an inspiration and I know one of these days we're all going to > > end up needing a KBDL to talk about you." > > > > Well, that is so kind of you to say, thank you! Made me laugh, a KBDL! Maybe > > I should do a J Lo & change my name to K Be? > > > > How about Joni- J Mi > > or Jonatha- J Bro > > or Shawn- S Co > > or Michael Paz- M Pa > > > > somebody stop me... > > ******************************************** > > Kate Bennett > > www.katebennett.com > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > ******************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:10:43 -0800 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren > > Roberto- > I couldn't agree more. This is the kinda stuff that makes me > uncomfortable to discuss in open forum whether it's true or not. > I am so glad that you are on the YES list for Boston. Maybe this year we can > play again. I would like to revive that FTR tribute set. If so I would love > to do CBSSF as an ensemble with Claudia taking lead vox, YTMOIAR as an > emsemble, I can play the guitar, and I would like you to accompany me on > lead vox on Blonde in the Bleachers and/or See You Sometime if there are no > other takers. Let the discussion begin! > > Paz > > NP-And OUr Faces, My Heart, Brief As Photos-The Story > > on 3/4/01 12:07 AM, Robert Holliston at rhollis@home.com wrote: > > > Yeah, I read this, too. I was appalled to think that this poor young woman is > > having her dirty linen aired because she is the daughter of a celebrity. I > > beg all of you not to go there. > > Among all Canadian rags, I hate the National Post. It's like the [American] > > National Review, except stupider. > > Kilauren Gibb is obviously enduring some tough times. So have we all: let's > > let her deal with them in privacy and in her own time, the way we all did. > > That said, I hate to emerge from lurkdom to say something which may be > > construed as negative. Joni's giving up her daughter for adoption was > > selfless and wise. Her wish to contact her daughter thirty years later was > > understandable. Her claim that she now has a family complete with > > grandchildren has always struck me as self-absorbed and fraught with > > potential difficulty. When you give a child up to adoption, surely you yield > > parenthood to the adoptive parents. > > Yuck! I'm disgusting even myself - this is a private matter and should be > > treated as such. > > > > Ashamed of our Canadian media, and not for the first time, > > Roberto > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:13:13 -0800 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: the klan > > Hey Pat- > i meant to write you back and tell you hoe much i really liked your work. I > would love to hear you play it. Are there recordings of this in exsistence?? > It would be neat to put together and cd project of original songs from list > members as a project (even a tree). I have hear so many agreat originals > since I have been on this list. > > best > > Paz > > NP-Dog Dreams-The Story > > on 3/3/01 6:38 AM, P. Henry at badwolff@angelfire.com wrote: > > > (song I used to do) > > > > the country side was cold and still > > there was a cross upon a hill > > this cold cross wore a burning hood > > to hide it's ugly heart of wood > > > > father... I hear the iron sound > > of hoofbeats on the frozen ground > > > > down from the hill the riders came > > Lord it was a cryin' shame > > To see the blood upon their whips > > and hear the snarlin' of their lips > > > > mother... I feel a stabbing pain > > my blood runs down like summers rain > > > > now each one wore a mask of white > > to hide his cruel face from sight > > and each one sucked a hungry breath > > out from the empty lungs of death > > > > sister, come hod my bloody head > > it's so lonely to be dead > > > > now he who travels with the klan > > he's a devil and not a man > > and underneath that white disguise > > I have looked into his eyes > > > > brother... will you stand by me > > it's not easy to be free > > > > > > > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. > > FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:50:48 EST > From: WirlyPearl@aol.com > Subject: Re: scrabble afternoon(njc) > > Hi, I'm Pearl's 17 year-old son, David. She brought to my attention that > Scrabble was being discussed on this list. Now, to say I'm a Scrabble > enthusiast would be an understatement. Scrabble is more than just a hobby for > me. It is a way of life. There are in fact several ways to play on the > internet, but there is also an entire club and tournament Scrabble > subculture. I play online and at clubs and tournaments, where all my > competitors are adults. I am ranked among the top 100 players in North > America according to the National Scrabble Association's ratings list, and I > regularly average over 400 per game. I study the special Scrabble dictionary > and word lists derived from it to increase my playing vocabulary. I have even > played in the last two National Scrabble Championships. > > Where to start? Since some of you expressed interest in computer/internet > play, I'll describe how that can be done. The easiest way is on > www.games.com. Simply register an account (it only takes a couple of > minutes), then click on the Scrabble link on the main page. Click on your > home area (either North America or outside of North America), then click on > one of the Scrabble rooms (Consonant Creek, Vowel Valley, etc.) to go in and > find a game. Hopefully someone in there will help you with the interface and > such. > > Another way is through Networdz, a program you can download to play people > over the internet or to practice against the built-in computer program. > Extensive information on this can be found at Bob Weiss's site, > http://members.home.net/bobsweiss/bob/scrabble. You will also need a chat > program called mIRC to play this way. > > If you have Hasbro's Scrabble CD-ROM program, you can play on MSN Internet > Gaming Zone (www.zone.com). However, I'm not sure how long this will be > available since recently the Scrabble part of the site lost Hasbro's support. > Even so, the CD-ROM program is by far the strongest program to practice > against by oneself. Julie Bean's site has info on this and many other > Scrabble-related topics at > http://personal.bellsouth.net/mco/b/a/bachtal/index.htm. Be sure to check out > the links section. It is an excellent resource for all things Scrabble. > > For the best competition possible, I recommend playing on a Telnet server > called MarlDOoM (DOoM stands for distributed object-oriented MUD; MUD stands > for multi-user domain. I have no idea what any of this means.) This is where > I spend most of my waking hours :-) You can play games against others or > ACBot, the online computer player, and even watch games. Highly addictive if > you ask me. Information on this can be found at John Chew's site at > www.math.toronto.edu/~jjchew/doom/faq.html and Mark Watkins' site at > www.math.uga.edu/~mwatkins/BobGrid.html. > > For general Scrabble info, Steven Alexander's Scrabble FAQ at > www.teleport.com/~stevena/scrabble/faq.html is indispensable. It has > countless links and stuff about tournament Scrabble, ratings, dictionaries, > etc. > > Those who want to take the plunge can go to the National Scrabble > Association's site at www.scrabble-assoc.com. Here you can find out about > club and tournament activity in your area, and join the NSA if you wish. > > I hope this was helpful to the Scrabble lovers on this list. Anyone with > questions can e-mail me at DavidW64@aol.com. > > David Weisberg > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:59:11 -0500 > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Re: accents (njc) > > .... or more to the point perhaps, a Reagan mask. > > MD said, > >Thats a snap. Give him a Bill Clinton mask to wear during his speeches. All > > the media willl LOVE him and consider him a great orator immediately. : ) > > Anne S. said, > << So (ok, this is hitting below the belt) how do we solve George W's > elocution > deficientcies :-0 >> > > > Lama > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:30:35 -0800 (PST) > From: Penny > Subject: Re: chatroom njc > > Paz wrote: > > >Anyways I have some other earth shattering news involving JB, but I don't > wanna jinx it, so I will let you know as soon as it is official (no we're > not running away together!). See ya. > > > First, welcome back, Michael! Second, you lucky dog about having Jonatha > on your show. Ha, you think you're smitten now, just you wait! > > Now to ponder what you wrote above - so many scenarios! > > Hmmm - Jonatha told Paz she goes to the Stone family reunion in the Boston > area every Labor Day weekend anyway, so she'd love to join in on the Joni > fun! "What! You guys get together at Atty May's! That's one of my all > time favorite beach haunts! What! Atty May gets a special live music > permit once a year just for the Jonifest night! Paz, honey, I'm there!" > ;-) > > OR > > "Well you know I live in SoCal now, so at next years NAMM convention, when > so many of you JMDL people get together to play Joni songs and party, give > me a call and directions to this Kakki girl's apt so I can play with you, > Kate, Clark, Dulson and all the rest of the SoCal gang! Come to think of > it, ever since I got to Malibu I've been hearing about this place down > town where great martinis are served - you mean that's not a licensed > establishment?" ;-) > > OR > > Paz and Jonatha are planning on keeping the video tape rolling as they > weave their way through Jonatha's dozen or so favorite Joni tunes. And > Paz has secretly arranged for some of the local brothers to show up and > jam along too, a couple of Neville bros, a couple of Marsalis bros, .... > our first installment of video covers in one continuously hot shoot! ;-) > > OR..... > > > Smiles, > Penny > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:26:52 -0800 > From: "Kakki" > Subject: Re: chatroom njc > > > Hmmm - Jonatha told Paz she goes to the Stone family reunion in the Boston > > area every Labor Day weekend anyway, so she'd love to join in on the Joni > > fun! "What! You guys get together at Atty May's! That's one of my all > > time favorite beach haunts! What! Atty May gets a special live music > > permit once a year just for the Jonifest night! Paz, honey, I'm there!" > > Penny, I don't know about any Stone family but this sceanario also entered > my head when I pondered Paz's teaser. After all her years in the Boston > area, "it could happen." Wonder which Joni songs she will dib? ;-) > > I still am a little surprised she moved to L.A. She is always welcome in > for a martini, of course. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:44:20 -0800 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: chatroom njc > > OR..... > > Paz (smiles) > > on 3/10/01 9:30 PM, Penny at zapuppy@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > Paz wrote: > > > >> Anyways I have some other earth shattering news involving JB, but I don't > > wanna jinx it, so I will let you know as soon as it is official (no we're > > not running away together!). See ya. > > > > > > First, welcome back, Michael! Second, you lucky dog about having Jonatha > > on your show. Ha, you think you're smitten now, just you wait! > > > > Now to ponder what you wrote above - so many scenarios! > > > > Hmmm - Jonatha told Paz she goes to the Stone family reunion in the Boston > > area every Labor Day weekend anyway, so she'd love to join in on the Joni > > fun! "What! You guys get together at Atty May's! That's one of my all > > time favorite beach haunts! What! Atty May gets a special live music > > permit once a year just for the Jonifest night! Paz, honey, I'm there!" > > ;-) > > > > OR > > > > "Well you know I live in SoCal now, so at next years NAMM convention, when > > so many of you JMDL people get together to play Joni songs and party, give > > me a call and directions to this Kakki girl's apt so I can play with you, > > Kate, Clark, Dulson and all the rest of the SoCal gang! Come to think of > > it, ever since I got to Malibu I've been hearing about this place down > > town where great martinis are served - you mean that's not a licensed > > establishment?" ;-) > > > > OR > > > > Paz and Jonatha are planning on keeping the video tape rolling as they > > weave their way through Jonatha's dozen or so favorite Joni tunes. And > > Paz has secretly arranged for some of the local brothers to show up and > > jam along too, a couple of Neville bros, a couple of Marsalis bros, .... > > our first installment of video covers in one continuously hot shoot! ;-) > > > > OR..... > > > > > > Smiles, > > Penny > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:31:08 -0800 > From: "Kakki" > Subject: Re: She don't like my grammar - NJC > > > 2. I remember the Lloyd Thaxton show, sort of. I thought he > > had this huge head. > > RR, heading for the trivia ditch > > Sinking into further triviality here, my 7th grade drama teacher looked like > Thaxton and his name was Mr. Lloyd. Everyone thought he was the coolest > teacher until a student home sick one day watching TV saw him lose on The > Dating Game. I'm not kidding. LOL The kids were unmerciful to him for the > rest of the year and he never returned for the next term. > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:32:38 -0800 > From: "Kakki" > Subject: Re: chatroom njc > > > OR..... > > > > Paz (smiles) > > I think we are getting warm.......;-) > > Kakki > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:32:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Penny > Subject: Re: chatroom njc > > >Penny, I don't know about any Stone family but this sceanario also > entered my head when I pondered Paz's teaser. After all her years in the > Boston area, "it could happen." > > On Jonatha's Live album, JB explains her mother's maiden name is Stone, so > she is blood from a Stone, as she introduces the song of that same title. > I have no idea if she actually grew up in Boston and has family in the > area or just went to college and started her career there. Just being > cute really - trying to come up with some far fetched guesses at Paz's > teaser. ;-) > > I do hope you keep the camera rolling though, Paz. ;-) > > Penny > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > End of JMDL Digest V2001 #115 > ***************************** > > ------- > Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org > Unsubscribe by clicking here: > mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe > ------- > Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:53:59 +1000 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Re: the klan (forgive the rant) hi mike, I'm sorry if I somehow gave the impression that I wrote that... no, it was probably written somewhere between selma and mongomery... maybe by the same person who wrote 'hey nelly, nelly' (same type of song... driving and in your face) I don't know who the author is but Gil Scott Heron put it on his 1980 album, 'Real Eyes': http://www.gilscottheron.com/REAL.htm (that is floating around on napster if you want to hear how he did it... I haven't heard it) and there is a link there to the lyrics the way he does it. (different from mine some) if you look at the joni ad in the gallery at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1502641&a=11682876&p=41512516&Sequence=0&res=high you can see that the next week's performer that december in '66 was a guy named Ron Coden... well, Ron was the house performer and king at the best coffeehouse around, the Raven and the first 'pro' folk oriented artist I ever met, about 2yrs before I knew Joni when I was just 15 and playing in my first coffeehouse to a bunch of college kids. it was Ron who taught me that song along with 'early mornin' rain', 'hey nelly, nelly' and my signature songs, 'you know my name' and 'if I had wings' as well as lots of others. that was me, bro... pickin' up licks from the pros... I was really a mockingbird who couldn't write a song to save my life... and that was my downfall... *ranting off topic now*..: it may sound strange but if you've ever stopped to wonder just why I gave up music when I had everything going for me, a really decent voice, a sufficient guitar style that people liked, a *recording contract with reprise* in the bag if I just wanted to sign the papers and go make a record, that just dropped in my lap way out in the sticks when I'd never so much as sent out a demo tape! (hell, I coulda blown away a LOT of the major acts that made big money & fame around that time!) well, you're the only one I've ever really explained this to but the answer to just what was it that cause me to give up my music is that *it was Joni herself*! ...like I said, it may sound strange... but it's true. see, I really really worked on my licks and my sound and my stage presence and my look and everything for 2 solid yrs before she came to town... and I was, IMO, really getting good... but what I was good at was presenting what others had created or arranged... and ya see, (this is hard to explain) Joni and I became really tight... and, tho I love her like crazy, it's just not a good idea for someone so UNcreative to get so close to the heat of someone like her. I mean, it's not a pride thing... that could never be an issue with her; it was just like 'what's the point?'... like I got better and better and didn't really know how far I could go... and then Joni came along and showed me undeniably just how far I *couldn't* go! oh geez, I hope this makes *some* sense! the ironic thing is that Joni really seemed to do all she could to encourage me, and, as you may have read before, I strongly suspect that it was a word from her that prompted that record contract offer... (it had to be something to drag this company agent so far off the beaten path when he coulda been in phily, toronto, detroit, chicago, etc, where there was SO much more happening... anyway, it was just like 'standing next to her fire' took all the wind out of my sails... my fault not hers... my head/heart was screwed up ever since my dad passed away when I was 12... anybody else would have had to flourish in such a lush environment... and I think a lot did... (Rush, Anderson, Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young... in fact, I might be nuts but I think CSNY never woulda happened were it not for Joni... just my opinion...) she's a muse, man, she's a muse! ;o) anyway, (wot a rant! LoL!) I really don't have much of a voice left anymore... I AM getting a mic for my puter and, if I can figure out how, maybe I'll do something... but I don't think I could ever do the Klan again... that one takes a *lot* of voice! we'll see, ok? :o) btw, thanks for a really encouraging ltr, mike... that was nice of ya... :) I mean yer alright! I don't CARE what kakki says about ya! when she starts, I just don't lissen! ;o)))) cheers, pat NP; Refuge VHS - Woodstock (nice!) - --- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors." On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:13:13 Michael Paz wrote: >Hey Pat- >i meant to write you back and tell you hoe much i really liked your work. I >would love to hear you play it. Are there recordings of this in exsistence?? >It would be neat to put together and cd project of original songs from list >members as a project (even a tree). I have hear so many agreat originals >since I have been on this list. > >best > >Paz > >NP-Dog Dreams-The Story > >on 3/3/01 6:38 AM, P. Henry at badwolff@angelfire.com wrote: > >> (song I used to do) >> >> the country side was cold and still >> there was a cross upon a hill >> this cold cross wore a burning hood >> to hide it's ugly heart of wood >> >> father... I hear the iron sound >> of hoofbeats on the frozen ground >> >> down from the hill the riders came >> Lord it was a cryin' shame >> To see the blood upon their whips >> and hear the snarlin' of their lips >> >> mother... I feel a stabbing pain >> my blood runs down like summers rain >> >> now each one wore a mask of white >> to hide his cruel face from sight >> and each one sucked a hungry breath >> out from the empty lungs of death >> >> sister, come hod my bloody head >> it's so lonely to be dead >> >> now he who travels with the klan >> he's a devil and not a man >> and underneath that white disguise >> I have looked into his eyes >> >> brother... will you stand by me >> it's not easy to be free >> >> >> >> Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. >> FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 >> > > Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:19:04 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #115 Hi Mike in Boston! > I am new to this listserve, actually have been a lurker for a long time. >> First of all, WELCOME!!! Glad you are coming out of lurkdom!! < did not go to Topsfield, I was a little to new at that > point, but I would love to take part this year. Can someone tell me about > the singing that goes on? Is there a band? Does anyone get up and do > something, or do you have to be asked? >> All the info about Jonifest, including the music sign-ups are at this address: jmdl.com - New England JoniFest 2001: The bottom line is...as long as all the requirements are met, (info, checks, etc.) everyone is welcome to come to Jonifest and participate in all areas. The music is more structured on Saturday, with time slots of about 20 minutes or so for each performer from noon until the evening. These slots must be signed up for in advance. All other music is very loose jamming from Friday evening until Sunday. There are many people that accompany each other both lossely and during the time slots. There are also ample "whole-group sing-a-longs" happening often. It is a LOT of fun, and since you are so close, you should make every effort to be there. I'm sure others will give their views on the music as well. As for your next buy, I would vote for For the Roses, but Ladies of the Canyon is also a good bet! Hugs, Ashara P.S. It's good idea not to copy the whole digest when replying, just the pertinent parts is a better idea. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:37:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: She don't like my grammar - NJC Randy Remote wrote: > > 2. I remember the Lloyd Thaxton show, sort of. I thought he > had this huge head. It was syndicated, and in New York his show was called Tiger Beat. Jerry, heading for a day at the beach ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: She don't like my grammar - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i'm sure that the lyrics say ''i'm drawn to those > ones that ain't AFRAID'', > which would supply the predicative. > my comment on this is that ''ones'' after ''those'' > is superfluous because > ''those'' is not a demonstrative pronoun in this > sentence. and, yes, > ''ain't'' sounds kind of terrible, ''don't'' it? > wallyK You're right, Wally. The "ones" in "those ones" is superfluous. The one thing I can never figure out is why so many popular songwriters, who speak perfectly good English, seem to lapse into this grammatically incorrect kind of English. I can't imagine Joni (or countless other popular songwriters) *saying* "ain't" but there it is in the song. Where's that at? ;) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:13:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: scrabble afternoon(njc) - --- MGVal@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 03/10/2001 11:45:21 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > > << Anyone else a fan? >> > > > Count me in as a scrabble fan. Unfortunately, since > I'm not around people who > like words and spelling as much as I do, I don't get > to play as often as I > like. Funny thing. I love words and word games. Love crosswords (although they keep using the same damn words over and over again), love doing cryptograms, but I never could get into Scrabble. My Mum loved that game - she'd set up 4 different places and play against herself. I don't know why I don't like it - probably has something to do with having to sit still too long (not that I'm *that* hyper). Or maybe I'm just a spoiled brat and don't like to compete unless I know I'm going to win (which is a sad, but probably true, reflection upon my darker side that I don't like to think about too much.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:29:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: She don't like my grammar I was listening to the JT-Joni concert this morning, and this line jumped out at me from "The Gallery" "Then you began to hang up me You studied to portray me " It SHOULD be "you began to hang me up", right? Not that I'm fussing, mind you, Joni is brilliant in every way. I just thought since we're talking grammar, I'd throw this one to see what y'all thought...is she invoking the expression "Hang-up" like she was with "Where's that at"? Bob, off to the gym NP: Joni, "Carey" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:34:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: She don't like my grammar - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I was listening to the JT-Joni concert this morning, > and this line jumped out > at me from "The Gallery" > > "Then you began to hang up me > You studied to portray me " > > It SHOULD be "you began to hang me up", right? Not > that I'm fussing, mind > you, Joni is brilliant in every way. I just thought > since we're talking > grammar, I'd throw this one to see what y'all > thought...is she invoking the > expression "Hang-up" like she was with "Where's that > at"? > I think it's Joni being dual again (dualous? dualistic?) In other words, putting several different meanings into one little phrase. It could mean "hang up [as a painting]; or it could mean she's "hung-up" on the guy; or that he's holding her back. I'd go with all of the above (and maybe more.) Envying Bob going to the gym. Now I've got pneumonia and pleurisy and my ribs are killing me - I'm afraid to breathe, but if I don't, I'm dead, ain't I? Waiting for the antibiotics to really start kicking in... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:38:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #115 - --- "Sally A. Bowers" wrote: > I have bought Turbulant > Indigo now, for the 4th time. I always seem to > "loose track" of this album, or someone takes it! My > next Joni album are down to these three, any votes > on which: > For The Roses > Ladies Of The Canyon > Taming The Tiger > I am leaning towards Ladies Of The Canyon, what do > you all think of this album? I hate to offer advice on this because everyone's taste is so different and it all depends on what you like. I love all of Joni's stuff, so that makes it doubly hard. If you're choosing from only those three, and you love "TI", I'd go for "TTT" because it's a bit like it (though not *that* much like it) - it dates from the same time and so would be a logical follow-up. If you like sweet and laid-back, kind of "hippy" music, go for LOTC. One of my personal favourites (among so many!) happens to be "FTR" and I don't think anyone could go wrong with that... ever! Is it all clear now? No? I thought not - why don't you just go for it and buy all of 'em? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:27:24 -0600 From: "Louise" Subject: Joni's granddaughter in the middle of divorce from hell NP-And OUr Faces, My Heart, Brief As Photos-The Story on 3/4/01 12:07 AM, Robert Holliston at rhollis@home.com wrote: > Yeah, I read this, too. I was appalled to think that this poor young woman is > having her dirty linen aired because she is the daughter of a celebrity. I > beg all of you not to go there. > Among all Canadian rags, I hate the National Post. It's like the [American] > National Review, except stupider. > Kilauren Gibb is obviously enduring some tough times. So have we all: let's > let her deal with them in privacy and in her own time, the way we all did. > That said, I hate to emerge from lurkdom to say something which may be > construed as negative. Joni's giving up her daughter for adoption was > selfless and wise. Her wish to contact her daughter thirty years later was > understandable. Her claim that she now has a family complete with > grandchildren has always struck me as self-absorbed and fraught with > potential difficulty. When you give a child up to adoption, surely you yield > parenthood to the adoptive parents. > Yuck! I'm disgusting even myself - this is a private matter and should be > treated as such. > > Ashamed of our Canadian media, and not for the first time, > Roberto I just have to respond to Roberto, because I fail to understand why he objects to the exposure of the serious problem in Canada of false allegations in the family courts. If he thinks that 20 month old children should be exposed to multiple allegations of child abuse without substantiating evidence, and should have their entire paternal family eliminated as a result, then I just have to disagree with him. The National Post did not cover most of the more controversial and lurid details of this case, but the family courts of Canada are sick, and they destroy infant children like Joni's granddaughter on a daily basis. The reason why they got so sick in the first place is because the media does not hold the court accountable for its bad decisions. As for being ashamed of the National Post, it is the leading national newspaper in the country after less than three years of publishing in this country. It would seem that very little of the Canadian public agrees with Roberto. I also feel a great compassion for Joni Mitchell, as she has had to deal with a very disturbed situation and with no end in sight. I think she has every right to be falling in love with her beautiful granddaughter, who looks just like her, and that does not take away from the adoptive grandparents at all. I don't mean to be rude, but Roberto doesn't know the whole picture here, and it is not pretty. Louise ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:00:25 +0100 From: Laurent Fonquerne Subject: NJC : Question Hi, I am new to this list, I am french from Paris and 32 years old (not so mature ...) and a big big fan of Joni's song. This time, there is a commercial on the French TV. It is about mobile phone... You can hear a song and the only words I can understand are : Where do i begin, Where do I start. Or maybe it's when and not where... I believe this is Joni's voice, but I am not sure... Does someone know this song? Thanks. Laurent surfing on the web (went to the gym this morning) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:09:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Jonatha? was:Re: chatroom njc Uh - oh. Paz has taken up Ashara's favorite game. Teasing us! Paz said, - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:44:20 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: chatroom njc OR..... Paz (smiles) - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:51:02 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: chatroom njc I will take my digital and post some fotos after the show. Paz on 3/10/01 11:32 PM, Penny at zapuppy@yahoo.com wrote: >> Penny, I don't know about any Stone family but this sceanario also > entered my head when I pondered Paz's teaser. After all her years in the > Boston area, "it could happen." > > On Jonatha's Live album, JB explains her mother's maiden name is Stone, so > she is blood from a Stone, as she introduces the song of that same title. > I have no idea if she actually grew up in Boston and has family in the > area or just went to college and started her career there. Just being > cute really - trying to come up with some far fetched guesses at Paz's > teaser. ;-) > > I do hope you keep the camera rolling though, Paz. ;-) > > Penny > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:12:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: She don't like my grammar Bob wrote: > > It SHOULD be "you began to hang me up", right? > > and then Catherine wrote: > > I think it's Joni being dual again (dualous? > dualistic?) In other words, putting several different > meanings into one little phrase. It could mean "hang > up [as a painting]; or it could mean she's "hung-up" > on the guy; or that he's holding her back. I hadn't thought of Catherine's interpretation but I think it's a good one. Entirely possible that Joni would come up with a clever way of saying more than one thing with a single phrase. But as far as the sequencing of the words 'hang up me' goes, setting the double entendre aside, I think she's emphasizing 'me'. In other words, you painted all of those other women and then you started to paint *me*. I don't think you would get quite the same meaning from 'you began to hang me up'. I don't think grammar is necessarily important in writing the lyrics to a song. Not that I'm a songwriter but it seems to me there are a lot of elements to writing a good lyric. It has to have some kind of rhythmic structure, to be really effective it has to convey some emotion and if you're really good, the words - images, combination of sounds, meter - will sound musical on their own. Joni often speaks in one character or another and sometimes those characters don't use perfect grammar. And sometimes re-arranging one or two words or phrases puts a whole new spin on the meaning as Bob's example illustrates. Also the choice of one word over another or sequencing the words in a different way just makes the thing flow and sound better. We're talking about writing songs here, not doctoral theses, right? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:14:24 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: scrabble afternoon NJC David, Thanks for all the great info, I for one have always wondered how to play Scrabble on line. I am an novice ? (250-325 pt. range) player. No where near your league. Good luck in your championship playing. Maurice ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #116 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?