From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, March 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 106 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni/Kilauren [Robert Holliston ] sex and the city (njc) [Robert Holliston ] Re: Joni/Kilauren [mags ] OVATION-Montreux Jazz Festival-NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Ovation-NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Joni/Kilauren (mainly NJC now) [TerryM2222@aol.com] Southern Rock - NJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: the klan (njc) ["P. Henry Boland" ] Re: PwW&M, SJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: are you a charlotte????? NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni/Kilauren [Randy Remote ] Re: "Celebration at Big Sur" [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] I beg you: "Celebration at Big Sur" [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni Ignored in UK [Murphycopy@aol.com] re: Joni Chat Room [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc [Ricw1217@aol.com] RE: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc [Ricw1217@aol.com] Re: are you a charlotte????? NJC ["Garret" ] John vs Paiul NKC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni/Kilauren [Les Irvin ] 'How do you sleep?' NJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] John vs Paul njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni/Kilauren (mainly NJC now) [mags ] Refuge of the Roads ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: are you a charlotte????? NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni Chat Room(md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Joni & Juno Awards [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: I beg you: "Celebration at Big Sur" NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Seeking JMDLers....NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni & Juno Awards she won!!!!!! [mags ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #105 [BMBSPIRIT@cs.com] Re: Joni Chat Room [Les Irvin ] Re: march 3!!!! part 2 njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni & Juno Awards she won!!!!!! [Scott Price ] Re: Joni & Juno Awards she won!!!!!! ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren Yeah, I read this, too. I was appalled to think that this poor young woman is having her dirty linen aired because she is the daughter of a celebrity. I beg all of you not to go there. Among all Canadian rags, I hate the National Post. It's like the [American] National Review, except stupider. Kilauren Gibb is obviously enduring some tough times. So have we all: let's let her deal with them in privacy and in her own time, the way we all did. That said, I hate to emerge from lurkdom to say something which may be construed as negative. Joni's giving up her daughter for adoption was selfless and wise. Her wish to contact her daughter thirty years later was understandable. Her claim that she now has a family complete with grandchildren has always struck me as self-absorbed and fraught with potential difficulty. When you give a child up to adoption, surely you yield parenthood to the adoptive parents. Yuck! I'm disgusting even myself - this is a private matter and should be treated as such. Ashamed of our Canadian media, and not for the first time, Roberto Stephen Epstein wrote: > Today's Cdn National Post contains an article: "The reunion, from both > sides now" about a bitter custody battle involving Kilauren and the father > of her young daughter. > > I was quite surprised to read about a police visit to Joni's LA home when > Kilauren was visiting a year ago. This was before I was part of the list, > so perhaps you have discussed it before. > > www.nationalpost.com. Under the 60 day search, type in Joni Mitchell and > it is the first article, written by Tom Arnold. > > Regards, > Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 00:48:33 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: sex and the city (njc) OK. I did it, and I'm 50% Miranda/ 20% Carrie/ 20% Charlotte/ 10% Samantha. WhatEVER!! For what it's worth, the actress who plays Samantha (Kim Cattrall) is from the Comox Valley on Vancouver Island, B.C. So there!! Back to Law & Order, I guess ;-)) Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 07:59:57 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren Robert Holliston wrote: > < parenthood to the adoptive parents.>> and now me: Technically, on paper, for the record, yes this is true. When you relinquish a child for adoption, you give up the right to be a parent and in Joni's case, a mother. That said, how on earth can any woman deny her mother-reality..how can she deny or turn her mother-heart away from the infant she carried for nine months. Impossible. I feel that I can safely say that many a woman who signs their baby's life away also signs herself up for a life sentence of pain and regret. Let me take you inside that young woman's head for a few minutes. Let me take you into the darkness of her middle of the night fear where she holds onto threads of hope and desperate dreams that one day, maybe just maybe some miracle will happen, she wont have to give the baby up afterall. And once she did, maybe, just maybe she would at the very least one day be able to know that child, know they were okay, had a good life. The heartwrenching stuff of impossible dreams. And maybe that child would one day forgive her for abandoning him. These are but a few of the demons circling inside her. So very often, with no financial, emotional, or spiritual support and very little compassion toward her, many birth mothers are given no choice but to give up a child. They are after all, as Joni says, deemed the Jezebels. Branded. Banished from the kingdom because they had sex and got caught. (Magdalene Laundries playing in my head. ) What chance did a young mother have to raise a child herself when her own mother and father didnt even know that child existed because she was too afraid to tell them for fear of being excommunicated from the family, her only hope for survival through this hell on earth. How could this young mother do anything but stand shivering, terrified, cold and alone, on the steps of a coffee shop of a small town hotel at 2 am not knowing where the hell to go because even the last person she thought she could rely on, the baby's father, had also turned against her having etched shame and blame against her soul. yes, birth mothers such as Joni technically give up their rights to the child and in my humble opinion, once you carry a child and know, truly know that sweet little baby in your heart and soul, you do not give up that child. Not really. The confusion lies within the fact that you know deep inside yourself, in the hour of darkness and alone, that you are a mother but not. How do you reconcile that? So you sign all the papers in the family name and now everyone gets to have a happy ending? How? And many years later, what happens if you are lucky enough to fall into the arms of reunion. Once again you are judged. Once a jezebel, always a jezebel. Mags np: Little Green ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:06:20 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: OVATION-Montreux Jazz Festival-NJC Good jazz people on Ovation channel -right now "Claude Nobs and the Montreux Jazz Festival". Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:16:56 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Ovation-NJC - -so far a mention of Charles Mingus... Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:50:24 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren (mainly NJC now) In a message dated 3/4/2001 8:02:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, pholden@iprimus.ca writes: << The confusion lies within the fact that you know deep inside yourself, in the hour of darkness and alone, that you are a mother but not. How do you reconcile that? >> This is an area that I'm very very interested in. As an adoptive mother, I have tried to understand the feelings and needs of all the people involved in my kids' adoptions. But I also think that each situation is different when it comes to reunion. Who knows what happened between Joni and Kilauren? Were one or both hoping or damanding for more than the other could give? Did they think through about all the possibilities that a reunion could have created? Though I agree with Roberto that this is best left up to those involved to make judgements, it is still a fascinating topic for further discussion if anyone is interested. My daughter requested a reunion when she was 14. After months of (psychological) preparatation, I know now that it was the very best thing for all of us. It wasn't easy for me- I don't know how I was able to handle seeing my precious "baby" hugging and kissing her other mother- but in my heart, I knew I did the right thing. Now she, her birthmom and extended family can rest assured that relinquishment *was* the right decision 15 years ago, as difficult as that decision was. And for my daughter, there no longer is that lurking mystery of who she is and where she came from, nagging away at her. One of the most touching things that happened at that reunion was recieving a little plaque from my daughter's birthmom, which sits here on my desk: "Of all the Gifts like has to offer, Loving Parents is the greatest of them all". This woman made the most difficult of decisions she'll ever probably encounter, and I will always be in awe of her bravery and love for her/our child. Mags, thanks for sharing that letter. I know that no bio mom ever gives up the memory, the hopes and dreams, she carries for that baby. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:53:17 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Southern Rock - NJC In a message dated 3/2/01 6:51:58 AM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << You forgot Atlanta Rhythm Section ;-) >> You also forgot the 'Dixie Dregs' - yes man, before there was the Chicks, there was the Dregs! Maybe the best and most versatile musicians that worked within the genre of southern rock. Kick ass band!! TIA, Artheo NP - 'Night of the Living Dregs' by: The Dixie Dregs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 03:01:57 +1000 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Re: the klan (njc) thanks julius, I think I like yours better... :o) yes, 'The Klan' is pretty intense... it has a rather driving, melodramatic arrangement as well... a good one to get people off the fence in the days of the civil rights movement. it was resurrected in 1980 by Gil Scott-Heron on his 'Real Eyes' album. it's somewhat ironic that after spending much of my youth 'fighting the good fight' for the rights of minorities, I have chosen to live the last 25yrs of my life where I, myself am a minority... educational, to say the least. ;o) pat NP: The Other Side Of This Life - Fred Neil - --- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors." ******************************************* On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 12:16:20 JRMCo1 wrote: >Thanks for sharing this, Pat. Intense. I hope to hear you play it sometime. Put me in mind of a poem I wrote after reading a collection of writings by MLK, Jr. called "Testament of Hope": > >When worth's redeemed >Then so soon spent >And we've read all hope's testament >Will we still dare >To raise our heads? >So long unbowed, so long they've bled. > >These unlocked chains >Don't mean we're free. >Our stardust ain't >Cosmology. > >Yet celebrate! >Sisters and brothers, we can! >Our time has come! >This is our land! >We'll pity those who aren't so blessed >Reaching for more >Grasping far less. > >When our soul's treasures >Give account >Naught of this world >Is paramount. > >-Julius Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:17:15 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: PwW&M, SJC In a message dated 3/2/01 8:18:35 AM, jlamadoo@home.com writes: << Where are the musicians in the 5.1 mix? Are they all over the room? Is there reverb from the room? Details man! >> The musicians are sound staged reasonably well from left to right. Joni's guitar has a very large ambiance, picking up a great deal of the studio's size in it's resonance. It sounds as though Joni may have had a 'stereo' amp set up for this concert. There is definitely room 'presence', but it very believable in it's dimension and impact, and not 'artificially reverby' at all. And the mix places you within the audience in a row close to the stage. Very pleasing. The 5.1 DVD mix of PWWAM is not as superb as the DVD 5.1 mix of 'James Taylor LIVE At the Beacon Theatre' (still the most remarkable 5.1 mix I've ever heard with regard to a realistic experience of being in the audience) - but PWWAM's 5.1 mix is better than that of the 5.1 on Steely Dan's Two Against Nature Live Concert DVD. The Dan's DVD is best enjoyed in two channel Stereo, as the 5.1 mix is artificial. PWWAM's 5.1 DVD track is definitely on par with Santana's 'Supernatural' Live DVD 5.1 mix as well as with Sting's 5.1 track on his 'The Brand New Day Tour - - Live From the Universal Amphitheatre' DVD. You know, since I've been buying live concert DVD's I find myself spending more time enjoying these, if I'm sitting down for 'attentive' listening, than I do with my CD's. Still love my CD's, but man, seeing as well as hearing my favorite music artists displaying their 'chops' in 'real time' is awesome. So personal and intimate, and well, as close to real as one can get. TIA, Artheo NP - 'Night of the Living Dregs' by: The Dixie Dregs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:35:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: are you a charlotte????? NJC Wally K wrote: > i just did this survey based on sex & the city. > i'm 40% a carrie, 30% a miranda, 20% a samantha > and 10% a charlotte. does that mean i will meet > mr. big any time soon???? > go to > http://quiz.ivillage.com/astrology/tests/sexandthecity.htm That was fun! I'm 50% Charlotte! 20% Miranda, 20% Carrie, 10% Samantha. Does the fact that I'm gay (and can barely stand to watch S&TC) make a difference? ; ) Lori near DC ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 09:37:31 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren Ms. Gibb began a career in modelling as a teenager and was featured on the cover of Chatelane magazine in November, 1983. Does anyone have a scan of this pic? I'd love to see it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:45:32 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: "Celebration at Big Sur" In a message dated 3/3/01 5:54:06 AM, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << 1969 folk festival at Esalen >> Ah yes, 'The Institute' - Mike Murphy's 'mind altered' Counter Culture Country Club - the 60's - it's all coming back to me. What a rush! I think I'm peaking!! Golf anyone? TIA, Artheo NP - 'Flamingo' by: the Flamin' Groovies ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:20:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc If, I say *IF* Neil was inspired to write "Stupid Girl" by something or some things :) he saw in Joni, it's important to bring some perspective. Neil and Joan go back a long ways. Joni said that they both had childhood polio, came up through the difficult (if not hostile) Canadian music biz of the 60s. Joni has drawn Neil's face at least twice. And they also come "up" a long ways. They participated together in the David Forster-powered "Tears Are Not Enough", standing side by side for relief for Africa. Joni said that at The Band's Last Waltz, she and Neil huddled together to avoid feeling kinda lost among all those people. She said that working out her (off-stage) backing vocal on "Helpless" was a result of that. They have been close. So if Neil was inspired by Joni to write SG, it may be something along the lines of "How Do You Sleep?". The lore on this one was that ex-Beatle Paul McCartney wrote this one about his disappointments with ex-Beatle John Lennon. (After the Beatles, John just hung out with Yoko. The McCartney fans say that John persistently turned down Lennon/McCartney picnic, dinner, & jam invitations. Both songs then represent transitory disappointments, not blanket, permanent condemnations. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:43:51 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: I beg you: "Celebration at Big Sur" I saw, several times, Celebration at Big Sur at the movie theater when it was first run. I can prove it: Joni is highlighted with gold cinematography/special effects as she sings Woodstock at the piano. Neil Young gives Stehpen Stills an "oh, gow up" look when Stills starts bouncing around too much while jamming. Joan Baez is transfixed by the wonderful close of "Oh, Happy Day" by the Edward Hawkins Singers. These tidbits are in my mind, but I want them on tape. (Actually, I want them on DVD but I will settle for videotape.) The movie is NOT, repeat, NOT available commercially; I have been looking for it since 1985 when I got my first VCR and it HAS NOT BEEN EVER available commerically in ANY format at least since then. If it were, I would buy it, as my shelf of things like "Janis" from 1976 and "Monterey Pop" and "Shadows and Lght" (Japanese version), Rocky Hoor in two formats, 3 copies, Woodstock in 2 formats, 2 copies, and other purchases would attest. I CANNOT tape it off the cable tv as the cable outfit that services rural Western Michigan does not carry a cable company that has ever played "Celebration at Big Sur" Believe me, I have looked and look to this day. In that THERE IS NO OTHER WAY for me to ever see Celebration at Big Sur again except if some one tapes it/copies it for me, I am begging someone to take pity on me. I have gone to such length with my dilemma because I asked someone once before to do it and they refused, implying I denying the copyright holders their food money and stealing their very souls. Hey, I ain't Napster (never even been to Napster). If I could get it commerically, I would happily buy it just like I paid for movie tickets to see it many times over back in 1970 or 71, whenever it was released. If I could tape it off cable tv for my own private enjoyment, I surely would. I am denied those options. I need someone else to do it for me. Please someone? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:31:21 -0000 From: "Clive Brothers" Subject: Joni Ignored in UK Do any other Brits suffer from the intense frustration I feel about Joni's almost total absence from the media in Britain?She just doesn't register on the visibility scale. I've recently put together a couple of cd's of 38 of her more accessible tracks.Upon giving copies to friends, they are amazed by the richness of her music.The usual reaction is "I just can't stop playing it".Some examples of tracks are: Chelsea Morning California Woman /heart/mind In France they kiss etc Sex kills Reoccurring dream Lakota Carey Impossible Dreamer Harry's House When I go to New York,as I often do,her music can be heard at least semi-regularly in shops or on VH1 and people I work with usually know her.In Britain no one under the age of 40 has even heard of her.What a tragedy in this age of formula music that such a talent should go largely unrecognised.Does anyone out there agree with me? CBros _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:43:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Ignored in UK In a message dated 3/4/01 1:36:21 PM, clivebrothers@hotmail.com writes: << What a tragedy in this age of formula music that such a talent should go largely unrecognised.Does anyone out there agree with me? >> Yes, we all agree with you. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:02:50 GMT From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: re: Joni Chat Room Courtandspark2@aol.com wrote: > Is there a Joni chat room, or is all correspondence handled via e-mail? There is a site called Oldies Music which has a free chat room. It seems to be empty a lot of the time. I've chatted to a couple of people on there about Joni and others. Don't see why it couldn't be used for Joni Chat. Try it out, see what you think. It would be nice to chat and pass info on in real time, especially if you are a digester such as moi. http://www.oldiesmusic.com/chat.htm I found this on there as well. 5th March 1975 Rod Stewart meets actress Britt Eklund at a party at Joni Mitchell's house, beginning a 5-year romance, 1975 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:27:45 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc In a message dated 3/4/01 1:25:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@home.com writes: > So if Neil was inspired by Joni to write SG, it may be something along the > lines of "How Do You Sleep?". The lore on this one was that ex-Beatle Paul > McCartney wrote this one about his disappointments with ex-Beatle John > Lennon. (After the Beatles, John just hung out with Yoko. The McCartney > fans say that John persistently turned down Lennon/McCartney picnic, dinner, > & jam invitations. > > ah, actually, LENNON wrote "how do you sleep", not mccartney. paul couldn't write a song like that if someone held a gun to his head. which is no criticism, i just don't think it is in paul's personality to be quite that vicious. oh but john? no problem! let's get our trivia straight mr. lamadamadoodoo. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 15:32:07 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc Thanks Ric. Yah, John had a mean streak. Ask Cyn. Anyway, what was the reason? Why was John mad at Paul? Because he could write ballads? I recall that John tried to turn authorship of "Yesterday" into a crime of shallowness. (?) Or just because he was mad at the world and Paul was a convenient target? As you noted, I don't remember my Beatles' trivia very well. "Seems like many dim years ago." Judy Collins, wasn't it? (I couldn't place which McCartney album it would have been on! The only early one I've never heard is "Wildlife".) Jim let's get our trivia straight mr. lamadamadoodoo. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:04:51 EST From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ; njc In a message dated 3/4/01 3:32:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@home.com writes: > Why was John mad at Paul? Because he could write ballads? I recall that > John tried to turn authorship of "Yesterday" into a crime of shallowness. well, the answer to that question probably depended on what day of the week it was posed. maybe the short answer is john wanted out of the beatles and the prison that it had become, and paul wanted to keep it going. its easy to forget the hysteria they provoked back in their day. sort of like michael jackson did around THRILLER, only multiply it times 4. they literally could not go outside without it becoming a security nightmare and lived mostly behind walled estates and gated drives. (be careful what you wish for, all you rockstar wannabees.) but it never seemed to bother paul in the same way. he even had the insane idea toward the end that they go back out on the road again (they had stopped touring years before) and play in small clubs, like the old days. john thought, correctly (at least as far as this idea went) that paul had his head up his ass. and then came yoko...who gave john the courage and probably the permission he felt he needed, to just quit - walk away. "i was the walrus, but now i am john. and so dear friends, you'll just have to carry on." to stop playing that beatle game, which had always been, very much, a boys club...no chicks allowed in the inner sanctum. but john started bringing yoko into the studio with the rest of the blokes, and, legend goes, she even started making suggestions! what cheek! none of them could stand her in there, but paul found it particularly insufferable and the split that followed was bitter. but it was paul who made it official and announced the breakup to the world, and then, in a fit of pique (and what i always thought was pretty f-ing clever) he included a small photo of two beetles doing the deed on the back of his RAM album. they may have been japanese beetles, unless my memory is embellishing. in any case, john felt it was directed at him and spewed out "how do you sleep?" with such piercing lyrics as: "the only thing you done was yesterday...and since you've gone you're just another day." paul, to his credit, never really responded, and i think that photo on the back of RAM was probably tongue in cheek. but john took it to heart and used it to write a nasty little masterpiece. right up there with dylan's "positively 4th street" (who was THAT about?) and joni's "not to blame." which we better not even try and discuss. yeouch! ric ps. what other songs are known to be about joni mitchell? the only ones i know are "our house", by CSNY - which is lovely. and "fountain of sorrow", by jackson browne, which is even more lovely. and now this "stupid girl"? by neil young, which i have never heard. doesn't sound too nice! can you reproduce some lyrics for me? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:27:37 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: are you a charlotte????? NJC i'm 50% Charlotte, 40% Miranda, 10% Carrie, adn 0% Samantha! wow, that's an interesting combination! i'll have to think about it for a while! GARRET ps- there are numerous more quizzes on this site!! yay. i'm a spark.com junkie!! and don't mention emode to me!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:32:10 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: John vs Paiul NKC Jim: lyrics to song, http://www.keno.org/Howdousleep.htm HOW DO YOU SLEEP? (John Lennon) So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise You better see right through that mother's eyes Those freaks was right when they said you was dead The one mistake you made was in your head Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? You live with straights who tell you you was king Jump when your momma tell you anything The only thing you done was yesterday And since you're gone you're just another day Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? A pretty face may last a year or two But pretty soon they'll see what you can do The sound you make is muzak to my ears You must have learned something in all those years Ah, how do you sleep? Ah, how do you sleep at night? ********************************************************** Notice the slurs on Paul: "The only thing you've done is Yesyerday" "you're just Another Day" Along with other assorted slams, John slashed Paul very definately, The opening lines of "Silly Love Songs" (what's wrong with that?) was Pails' answer. This dis make up a few years kater, I do believe. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:31:54 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren At 3/4/2001 10:37 AM, Randy Remote wrote: >Ms. Gibb began a career in modelling as a teenager and was >featured on the cover of Chatelane magazine in November, 1983. >Does anyone have a scan of this pic? I'd love to see it. It can be found here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970406js.cfm Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:03:05 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: 'How do you sleep?' NJC In a message dated 3/4/01 8:38:35 PM, jlamadoo@home.com writes: << Why was John mad at Paul? >> Because they loved each other deeply, and their brilliant creative marriage was breaking up, and shit was being slung in both directions, and hate is a short step to the right of love, and so on, and so on... Here is something amazing. The Beatles earned like $70,000,000.00 in the year 2000, making them one of the top 10 money earners that year within the creative community at large - and they have been broken up for more than 30 years! Talk about staying power and being creatively timeless. WOW! TIA, Artheo NP - 'Where We Come From' by: Vital Information ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:09:49 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: John vs Paul njc Paul had his own veiled jab at John: the first song on Ram; "Too Many People" Too many people going underground ...too many hungry people losing weight... [John & Yoko's public fasting for peace] ......that was your first mistake you took your lucky break and broke it in two now what can be done for you? You broke it in two... There were other assorted barbs in the song, no doubt many that were "inside". But Paul also later wrote the touching "Here Today" (from "Tug of War") after Lennon's death, and happily, although the two never worked together, they did mend their friendship before Lennon died. (There IS a disjointed bootlegged jam with Stevie Wonder recorded during John's LA weekend period-with Paul on drums. This ragged, tired-sounding late night jam was apparently their only musical meeting post-Beatles) One thing that infuriated John was that he really wanted out of the Beatles, and was persuaded by Paul to keep quiet about it. Then Paul trumped him by announcing HE was out of the Beatles, and used the press, as John saw it, to promote his solo album "McCartney". Another big factor in the split was that John, George, and Ringo had been convinced that Allen Klein, who had done alot to increase the wealth of the Rolling Stones, was the right choice to sort out the financial problems at Apple. McCartney wanted his father inlaw, Lee Eastman, whom the others perceived as too straight, to take the job. As it turned out, the ruthless Klein made a mess of things, ripped them off, and caused general havoc that took years to sort out. The straight guy would have been better, but Klein seduced John through flattery and John liked the fact that Klein knew his work. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 18:40:58 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Joni/Kilauren (mainly NJC now) Dear Terry, Thank you so much for your reply. I was working today, thus the delay in my response. I especially appreciate knowing how you feel from the place of (adoptive) mom because it helps me to further understand what my birthson Grant's mom might be feeling and what she may have felt at the time when he announced my presence in his life after 20 years. As a birth mother, I know the world of adoption well, having lived inside it for nearly 26 years. Ive done research, soul searching, support work, advocacy work, writing and public speaking, not to mention workshops and sharing and bearing witness to stories from all sides. Each story is so unique and special. My soul sister Wendy is adopted and I have other friends who are adopted too, whose hearts and stories have touched mine. I am fortunate to know some adoptive moms too, which is something I am ever grateful for because of the bridges I have been able to cross as a result. I think this is an important thread for many reasons. It has meaning to many people. I know it does, Ive been told so after Ive written anything about it. It is a part of Joni's life that so many of us are interested in. I feel that if I can share my experience, that at some level, in some way, it may serve to help others understand what it is really like. And I agree completely, we cannot know how it was/is/will be for Joni and Kilauren. We do know what it is like for us having been there, and there certainly are some commonalities that arise. It is from a place of compassion and kindness that I share what Ive been through. And if I could ever make this easier for another person, well that would be wonderful. TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > > > < think through about all the possibilities that a reunion could have created?>> Terry, you raise two excellent points here. While I thought I didnt expect anything more than simply finding him/knowing he was "okay" , had a good life, etc...I found that my ancient wounds rose quickly to the surface and in fact, in my heart of hearts, I did want more. What I wanted was to feel that same heart and soul connection that I share with my daughter who I did have the privilege to raise. There is no doubt in my mind now, but at the time, denial took over and I rode in like the Valiant Queen on my white horse. My journey of over five years into reunion has taken me to some wonderful and very scary places of reality that I never dreamed possible. To your second point above, it is really tough to imagine how reunion will go...the wild roller coaster ride of emotions before during and after... I cannot even begin to fathom how Kilauren and Joni did any of this under the magnification of a public lens. It has to be so hard. > > > < make judgements, it is still a fascinating topic for further discussion if > anyone is interested.>> I agree...it is fascinating and it continues to amaze me how many lives are touched by adoption...either someone is adopted/has adopted/has created a life which was relinquished for adoption/knows someone who fits into any or all of the above. > > > < (psychological) preparatation, I know now that it was the very best thing for > all of us. It wasn't easy for me- I don't know how I was able to handle > seeing my precious "baby" hugging and kissing her other mother- but in my > heart, I knew I did the right thing.>> It made me cry to read this part. I admire you for having such a big heart as to be able to facilitate such an important moment for your daughter and her birth mom. I am so proud of you for finding the strength and courage this must have taken. I do understand the difficulty and the hurt that this caused you. (as much as I am able to from this side of things). > > > < relinquishment *was* the right decision 15 years ago, as difficult as that > decision was.>> I have learned that too....in my head at least. I suppose in my heart, I will always long for him, despite the fact that I know he was raised in the arms of two very special and loving people who he does indeed know as his mom and dad. The right decision for me turned out to be the only decision. I have a hard time calling it a decision period because it sure as hell didnt feel good at the time. That is where the cutting edge lies. It is not easy at all to live with that knowing. Not one bit. > > > < and where she came from, nagging away at her.>> Ive heard my birth son and other adoptees say the same thing. It is a relief on the one hand and then again, it opens up so many hallways filled with even more questions. > > > < > little plaque from my daughter's birthmom, which sits here on my desk: > > "Of all the Gifts like has to offer, Loving Parents is the greatest of them > all".>> this is truly beautiful, again, thank you so much for sharing something so private and special. > > > < encounter, and I will always be in awe of her bravery and love for her/our > child.>> how wonderful of you to say. Thank you for that. > > > < the memory, the hopes and dreams, she carries for that baby.>> and mostly, I want to say thank you for understanding. Finally I need to say this. I have received so much help to get through this difficult situation especially these past months because of someone so very precious to me. Someone who has had the courage to reach out and in his honest and gentle way, has held the mirror up to my face so that for the first time I could actually see myself as worthy and not as a bad person for giving up my first born son. So to Brian, I love you for that and I am overwhelmed with your kindness and support. From my heart, thank you for your wisdom, love, patience and for getting it. Yes I know you do. with love and in peace, as always Mags > > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:40:41 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Refuge of the Roads Hi all, Snowy blowy night here in central Pennsylvania. I have decided to watch Joni's "Refuge of the Roads" videocassette, eat potato chips and do nothing for the rest of the evening. Therapeutic, eh? Anyone who wants to share a mass Joni-appreciation evening is more than welcome to join me, in the privacy of your own home of course. I am supposed to meet about my new part-time job tomorrow at 9:00, if I can get there. I have music to practice, paperwork to complete, bills to pay, laundry to swear over, and lists and lists of things to do. But why? Time to do nothing but watch Joni Mitchell perform.... Regards as I move to the TV, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 00:34:57 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: are you a charlotte????? NJC My results : 40% Carrie, 40% Charlotte, 20% Miranda, and 0% Samantha. Which doesn't suprise me. That was fun, especially as the show is now one of my favourites. I discovered it only last month. Slightly risque, but quite brilliantly witty, and good characterisation. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:46:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: march 3!!!! part 2 njc well, aren't you all fixin' to hear steve mixon?????? happy birthday, steve! keep those fingers nimble! wallyK and the jmdl birthday chorus line ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:04:28 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Chat Room(md) In a message dated 3/4/01 11:12:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, pyramus@lineone.net writes: << http://www.oldiesmusic.com/chat.htm >> If this is a Joni chat room then why cant we take over the place. Les can we establish a link ??? marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:06:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Juno Awards I sure hope Joni brings home a Juno Award tonight! There is a live webcast at http://www.juno-awards.ca at 11:00est Can someone in Canada please tape this? Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:21:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I beg you: "Celebration at Big Sur" NJC Rev, I've seen groveling, but this one is STATE OF THE ART groveling! Well done! If you don't get your video, there's no justice in this world! :~D Bob NP: Bruce & them E-Streeters, "Merry Christmas Baby", live in Asbury Park Convention Center 12/18/00 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:25:26 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Seeking JMDLers....NJC Hey, I was talking to someone about Quadraphonic records last month but I lost my email of that discussion. Would that guy contact me so I can get these records out to him? Also- Rose and Uncle John- where is the artwork for the 2000 JoniFest In Topsfield, 4 CD set? I lost the URLs to those sites as well. Thanks to all. Sorry for abusing the bandwidth. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:41:50 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Joni & Juno Awards she won!!!!!! Joni won again!!!! Best Vocal Jazz album...JONI MITCHELL for Both Sides Now!!!!! woooohooooooooooo yea!!!!! and to top it off .. Bruce Cockburn was inducted into the Canadian Hall of Fame ... Ive got only part of it taped....from 9 pm to the end.... I dont know if Joni was there to receive her award or not??? Canadian contingent.....was she there???? lots of love, Mags npimh: Lovers in a Dangerous Time... Im up for doing this song at AsharaFest... anybody game??? that is IF there is an AsharaFest...ahem...well??? is it time for that announcement yet?? RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I sure hope Joni brings home a Juno Award tonight! There is a live webcast at > http://www.juno-awards.ca at 11:00est > Can someone in Canada please tape this? > > Rose in NJ > > rosemjoy@aol.com - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 23:25:13 EST From: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #105 I would like to know if it is possible to somewhere to get an audio copy of the concert Joni did many years ago with James Taylor. I have found some of the songs on Napster but I would really like the whole concert. If anyone knows where to get it could they e-mail an answer. Thanks. Bernie Boyle- bmbspirit@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:14:09 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni Chat Room At 3/4/2001 07:04 PM, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: >If this is a Joni chat room then why cant we take over the place. Les can we >establish a link ??? By popular demand... There is now an official Joni chat room on the website at: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm But beware... it contains unsolicited advertisements to be routinely ignored. That's the price we pay for a free room. See ya there! Les NP: Jim White - "Handcuffed to a Fence in Mississippi" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:07:59 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: march 3!!!! part 2 njc Happy Birthday Steve!!! I miss hearing your teriffic mandolin playing! Can't wait until you and Marcel have a full length CD released. I hope that precious wife Leslie has made this a wonderful birthday for you! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:21:27 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni & Juno Awards she won!!!!!! At 10:41 PM 3/4/01 -0600, mags wrote: >Joni won again!!!! >Best Vocal Jazz album...JONI MITCHELL for Both Sides Now!!!!! >Ive got only part of it taped....from 9 pm to the end.... I dont know >if Joni was there to receive her award or not??? Canadian >contingent.....was she there???? I'm assuming Joni was not there, as we were not given any video of her. The announcement for her award was a graphic flashed on the screen for about three seconds...simple block letters announcing the category and her name...alas, no footage. Other notable (IMO) Juno award recipients this year: Bruce Cockburn, Jann Arden, Neil Young. Scott, only 18 miles from Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:24:20 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni & Juno Awards she won!!!!!! > Ive got only part of it taped....from 9 pm to the end.... I dont know if Joni was > there to receive her award or not??? Canadian contingent.....was she there???? > > lots of love, > Mags The broadcast just ended here on the west coast. Joni's award was included in the 'presented earlier this evening' announcements. There was no video tape accompanying Joni's award as there was with some of these announcements so I conclude that she was not there to accept. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #106 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?