From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #99 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 099 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in Scotland VLJC ["Ross, Les" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #64 [Mauski4648@aol.com] (no subject) [Kammass@aol.com] Fwd: for your listening pleasure NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: for your listening pleasure NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Jonatha on Acoustic Cafe! NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Jonifests? [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Subtitles - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Clinton's a sleaze-for Marcel njc ["Susan Guzzi" ] RE: severely cold (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Joni & James [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: subtitles in CTHD (NJC) ["Garret" ] That Ethiopian Beat - NJC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Joni & James ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni & James [Don Rowe ] Re: it's MOI njc [Alison E ] Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) ["Lori R. Fy] Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos ["Louis Lynch" ] Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger [Jerry Notaro ] Joni and James and Bobbie Z ["Blair Fraipont" ] body ornamentation & tattoos ["cassy" ] Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni and James and Bobbie Z [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Buddy Picture from ricksmith68!] - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) [Alison E ] Dr.Suess celebrates his Birthday(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger [dsk ] Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: body ornamentation & tattoos [Mark Domyancich ] Nonsense (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:28:09 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Joni in Scotland VLJC Indeed Madonna (or Mad Donald, as the locals have taken to calling her) did pay us a huge compliment by airlifting high society to the North of Scotland for her nuptials. And welcome it was, to the local economy. No doubt there will be those who will want to make the trip to see where the event took place. It's all very moving. Joan in Scotland. Yes, it would be great to find out where she went while she was there but I suspect she didn't make it so far north as my neck of the woods. She, Joan, is born to an Anderson and, as it happens my great grandparents were Andersons. As was the way of things at the time in that part of the world, once you reached the age of twelve or thirteen you had to make your own way in the world. The girls would go in to service and the boys would join the cattle and sheep drives to the south of Scotland to where the animals would be loaded onto ships and taken to the 'colonies'. These lads would work their passage on the boats and, with the animals, would land in the new worlds with fortunes to seek and adventures to experience. Most of these kids were illiterate but would manage to get messages home to broken hearted mothers by having a local chruch minister write for them. Indeed in the case of my own family, we established that some had settled in New York, California and Canada. But the link was lost and many were never heard from again. So, the way I figure it, she was on her way to see me, her long lost cousin. but I was working on the rigs at the time and we missed one another..............ahaha... .....as Chris would say, I'll get me coat! oh, and by the way Willy, regarding Subject: Joni's Lead Balloons. You're bonkers! Bless! Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:23:58 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #64 You are so right..what a great song drug addiction....Karin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:14:17 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: (no subject) I love Trey's idea about the neg. thread going around. I think that will be my project for today. I'll make me a tape of the stuff I don't listen to, hopefully to gain some appreciation for that side of Joni that I don't normally connect with. thanks trey, Kammy NP-MM&W-Best of ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:18:09 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: for your listening pleasure NJC Tyler my husband is Arabic and can turn you on to lots of music. Mostly Jordanian and Saudi, though. Kammy Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:27:07 1900 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [216.200.102.14]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:26:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id CAA03868; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:19:32 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id CAA03839 for joni-outgoing; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2103.mail.yahoo.com (web2103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.247]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id CAA03821 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1062 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2001 07:18:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20010227071842.1061.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.168.86] by web2103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:18:42 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: for your listening pleasure NJC To: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: Tyler Hewitt Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) NJC here, but I just got to share this wonderful new music I've just discovered... Did anyone on this list catch the radio program 'Afropop Worldwide' on NPR on Feb 16th? I heard only a portion-I was driving to dinner (a great noodle place in Chicago's Chinatown) and had it on in the car. they were playing Eithiopian music, and the selections I heard were fabulous! Imagine if you can equal parts psychedelic, '70's James Brown/Funkadelic funk and middle eastern music blended together. The performer's name was Mahmoud Ahmed, and after some searching, managed to aquire a couple of discs on Saturday. I'm loving this stuff! There's a series of discs released by the French label Buda Musique titled "Eithiopiques". I picked up vol. 3, which is a compilation of various artists, and vol. 6, which is a Mahmoud Ahmed lp originally released in 1973. Both are great, and both are a delicious blend of soul and middle eastern sounds. Extensive liner notes tell the history of Eithiopian pop,and fascinating it is. too much to go into here. Has anyone else heard this stuff? Do you know where i can get more of it? Nothng about Joni in this post, but I get the feeling there's a lot of people on this list with broad tastes in music, and thought you might find this interesting. Tyler Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:28:45 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Hey DaveBeth, I didnt drive from alabama, I flew then rented a car. I thought I had it all figured out, but I flew into the wrong airport. Which worked out, just had to drive aprox. an hour and a half to Bethel. I was standing right next to you JMDLers, saw your sign and may even talked to some of you. Kammy NP-still MM&W ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:02:39 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: for your listening pleasure NJC I am very interested in this. The only thing I have heard aobut Ethiopian music was that when Tom Waits started to change musical direction in 1982-3, he was listening to alot of Ethiopian music and Captain Beefheart. ALso, I downloaded a song called, Burundi Black Which is the same background drumming that Joni used on The Jungle Line. Some producer, placed a synth bassline and keyboard line on top of it, but it is fun to listen to. Blair Tell me where I could find the ethiopian cds, i would love to purchase them. :) np:Burundi Black >From: Tyler Hewitt >Reply-To: Tyler Hewitt >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: for your listening pleasure NJC >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:18:42 -0800 (PST) > >NJC here, but I just got to share this wonderful new >music I've just discovered... >Did anyone on this list catch the radio program >'Afropop Worldwide' on NPR on Feb 16th? I heard only >a portion-I was driving to dinner (a great noodle >place in Chicago's Chinatown) and had it on in the >car. they were playing Eithiopian music, and the >selections I heard were fabulous! Imagine if you can >equal parts psychedelic, '70's James Brown/Funkadelic >funk and middle eastern music blended together. The >performer's name was Mahmoud Ahmed, and after some >searching, managed to aquire a couple of discs on >Saturday. I'm loving this stuff! There's a series of >discs released by the French label Buda Musique titled >"Eithiopiques". I picked up vol. 3, which is a >compilation of various artists, and vol. 6, which is a >Mahmoud Ahmed lp originally released in 1973. Both are >great, and both are a delicious blend of soul and >middle eastern sounds. Extensive liner notes tell the >history of Eithiopian pop,and fascinating it is. too >much to go into here. >Has anyone else heard this stuff? Do you know where i >can get more of it? > >Nothng about Joni in this post, but I get the feeling >there's a lot of people on this list with broad tastes >in music, and thought you might find this interesting. >Tyler >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:26:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Buddy Picture from ricksmith68!] - NJC For those interested, my nephew and his girlfriend at The Grammy's. Jerry Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by bayflash.stpt.usf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12245 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: Rilary2001@aol.com Received: from Rilary2001@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.27.11f75415 (658); Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:02:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27.11f75415.27ccf14b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:02:19 EST Subject: Fwd: Buddy Picture from ricksmith68! To: momof3@georgiadogs.com, Beach-Brat@prodigy.net, bcangels@tampabay.rr.com, SIERRAFLA@aol.com, cait@alltel.net, christinany@alltel.net, nvaughn@alltel.net, jondar@email.msn.com, Denkrluff@aol.com, Donna3288@aol.com, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu, FenKAzl@aol.com, mdetails@flash.net, NicoleF26@aol.com, plewis@n-jcenter.com, HHMHLHBHIH@aol.com, SLJESSE@aol.com, vancarrl@catt.com, TShoot4u2@aol.com, Terri_Ebert@homedepot.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Rick and Robin at Grammy's, their lips have since healed. Lauren Return-Path: Received: from pmdr-d01 (pmdr-d01.pod.aol.com [172.18.150.142]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:49:06 1900 Message-ID: Date: 27 Feb 2001 05:10:19 GMT X-Mailer: PictureVision Mailer 0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html ricksmith68 sent you a Buddy Picture, courtesy of You've Got Pictures! [Unable to display image] ricksmith68's message to you: Heres where we snuck onto the red carpet after the grammys. I think twe are the only non-rockstar people to get this picture. had to share it. - -View, download, and order prints & gifts of this picture at ricksmith68's Buddy Picture page. - -If you cannot click on the link above, copy and paste the web link into your web browser. - -This picture was developed by ECKERD DRUG #02268. 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E-mail questions to AOLPictureHelp, suggestions to AOLPhotoFeedback. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:48:58 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: severely cold (NJC) Guys, it is soooo cold. and hte central heating in my house is broken since saturday!! last night about 11.30 this countrys weather took a turn for the worse. high winds, snow, fog. we're not used to that! i mean its *always* sunny and warm here,lol! but seriously, everythign has come to an ansolute standstill! two inches of snow and everything is affected! then the lady on the news warns of electricity shortages that are expected lately. and to put icing on the cake, they told us that the mobile phone networks will be down. is it like this in Galway Philip? what about Cambridge Chris? well , i have to jog around the kitchen now to keep warm GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:18:58 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha on Acoustic Cafe! NJC In a message dated 2/26/2001 12:42:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, magpie119@juno.com writes: << Just discovered that JB's Acoustic Cafe performance of recent broadcast has been archived for on-line listening...a must! >> Do you have the url for that? Thanks, Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:19:48 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? I always thought that TIA meant "thanks in advance". Oh well- Terry www.addconsults.com << OK, I give up. What does TIA mean >> It is a ancient Inca greeting. Means "health, joy, and fertility". Naw - actually I stole that from one of my favorite 'seer/sages' of all time - Radar from 'MASH'. He always signed off his camp broadcasts with "That Is All" - TIA. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:27:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Subtitles - NJC In truth, CT is doing very poorly in Asia. One of the reasons cited is that the leads' native language is Cantonese and they spoke Mandarin in the film. Many found their "accents" unnerving. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:01:22 -0800 From: "Susan Guzzi" Subject: Clinton's a sleaze-for Marcel njc Alison wrote: i was also truly upset by clinton's failure to pardon leonard peltier, as well as mumia. i naively thought they both had a chance. now it's hopeless, for four long years. how depressing. How about adding to the depression and saying 8 long years, because I ask you - -What are the chances Bush would pardon Mumia or Leonard Peltier on his way out? About as likley as Clinton giving up women! Peace Susan NP - Easy Money - Ricki Lee Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:01:22 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: severely cold (NJC) Garret said, of Ireland:- > but seriously, everythign has come to an ansolute standstill! two inches of > snow and everything is affected! then the lady on the news warns of > electricity shortages that are expected lately. Current figures have something like over 100,000 homes without electrickery at the moment. > and to put icing on the cake, they told us that the mobile phone networks > will be down. Now that *is* a dire thing! LOL! > is it like this in Galway Philip? what about Cambridge Chris? Cambridge is OK, but damn cold. No snow though. Which is good, because Cambridge grinds to a halt when we get half an inch of snow, let alone a few inches. Still, what we have in the UK and Ireland is a walk in the park compared to what my friend in Illinois was just telling me about. He was recently driving down to Iowa with the temperature just above zero farenheit, and a 30 mph wind. His transmission froze into 'D'... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:10:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & James My Joni of choice this week (playing in my car) is Blue. Her interplay with JT on this record is just SOOO amazing - her dulcimer and his guitar picking are wonderful complements! And the combination of their voices, in the 1970 concert and on "Long Ago & Far Away" on Mud Slide Slim, are simply some of the best duets ever! After having seen James do River on the Tribute show, it certainly appears that Joni & James are mutually respectful. Wouldn't it be grand for the two of them to tour together the next time she goes out (assuming there's a next time)? After all the combination of Joni & Bob Dylan was so gross! Not that Dylan was bad, but they didn't compliment each other. Like having a glass of fine wine followed by a big ol' greasy chili cheeseburger! Anyway, it'd be great...Joni does a set, then takes several smoke breaks while James does a set, then they close with a set together! It ain't gonna happen, but a fella can dream, can't he? ;~) Bob NP: Sheryl Crow, "Riverwide" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:07:11 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: subtitles in CTHD (NJC) i found, as i usually do with subtitled movies, that after the first five minutes i didn't even notice the subtitles any more. i take that as a good sign. i got so caught up in the story (and the fantastic scenery) that the subtitles just didnt register. anyone else get that? i went through a phase a few years ago of watching Japanese and CHinese films, and a lot of the time this was my experieince. and so too when i watched every german film i could find, and every french film too. if every film were written, designed to be in english then, yes, they would work in english...as they were designed. but when the writers, and other creators, make their piece of art in, say, Cantonese then it is meant to be experienced that way. if Joni were to write a song in another language, then everyone on this list would believe to some degree that it was an important part of that songs integrity. if someone came along and covered this track in english, yes it would be interesting, but wouldn't the song lose something? (not to take anything away from those artists that have translated Joni into other languages). that's my two red pennies worth anyway GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:40:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: That Ethiopian Beat - NJC Tyler (et. al) I have a student from Ethiopia, and I asked him about Mahmoud Ahmed. I laughed when he told me he was an old guy who owns a restaurant in Ethiopia. He said if you like his music to also try Tilahun Aesese and also Aster Awake. He claims they are even better. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:41:46 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Joni & James Bob M. wrote: "After having seen James do River on the Tribute show, it certainly appears that Joni & James are mutually respectful." This is the highlight of the TNT tribute for me (as well as Diana Krall's ACOY) Literally brings tears to my eyes. The connection between Joni and James still seems so strong. Knowing their history together sure adds greatly to the moment. "Anyway, it'd be great...Joni does a set, then takes several smoke breaks while James does a set, then they close with a set together!" This certainly be one not to miss! Regards, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:40:53 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: Joni & James Bob wrote: After all the combination of Joni & Bob Dylan was so gross! Not that Dylan was bad, but they didn't compliment each other. Like having a glass of fine wine followed by a big ol' greasy chili cheeseburger! Bob, I saw Joni open for Bob Dylan at Madison Square Gardens. He followed her. How dare you compare our lady of music to a greasy chili cheeseburger followed by Bob Dylan's fine wine! It's more like an hors d'oeuvre setting of caviar and brie followed by a Swanson frozen Salisbury steak TV dinner with instant mashed potatoes! Still unemployed, with the luxury of having time to police the list for misplaced metaphors. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:54:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger <> Yeah, I'm a pretty gutsy bastard, huh? ;~) When I saw her in Atlanta, she preceded Dylan, which was great as it gave us the luxury of LEAVING! (Which I had not intended to do, just couldn't stomach it after Joni)... Bob NP: Sheryl Crow, "Maybe That's Something" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:01:18 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni & James Lest anyone think the metaphors we're blocking refer to the music ... my recollection is that it refers to the respective audiences. I was kind of stunned that Dylan seemed to have become the darling of the WWF/XFL crowd ... while Joni's maintained her imminently reasonable, highly sophisticated, immaculately educated, erudite and faultlessly polite (unless talking politics ...) following. ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: it's MOI njc THIS IS THE ONE I SENT TO THE LIST darling wally, it is good to have you back. i only wish you had vacationed in new york, where after a large snowstorm a few days ago, we are now dropping back down into the 30's. god help me, i am moving to florida next, i swear. it is nice to have your kooky, fabulous energy back, and it sounds like you are doing really well. love, alison e. in nyc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > hello my little ones!!!! > what a time this has been. here i am, back in torrid > and oppressive buenos > aires, argentina after the most glorious visit in > vancouver, BC, CANADA. > love, > wallyK Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) Marcel wrote: > 1 Unit: You dont need no fricken Constitution when you > got Sid Blumenthal. and other fables. Does the course cover "You don't need no Civil Rights Act of 1964 when the Florida state police are blocking your roads"? Lori, still wishing Jeb had been governor of a 3-electoral-vote state, if only for the sake of the way it looks, in DC ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:31:41 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos Paul wrote: > Lou, > You horribly misread or misinterpreted Bob's post, and looked foolish doing > so. Try again. > > Paul I > It was a joke, Paul! Just a joke! I don't mind looking foolish. Good thing, too, because with a sense of humor like mine, it can't be avoided. I was just thinking yesterday about "songs are like tattoos." So are our senses of humor, I think. Some of them are right out there, big and bold and full of color. Some are hidden demurely behind clothing. And some have never quite gone under the needle. I was just at a job interview with the most smileless woman I've seen in a while. Her mouth could make a smile, but the rest of her face didn't know how to wear it. I was going to ask the list members, as a thread, what tattoos they have. What do Joni's fans wear on their skins? I saw a photo of LeeAnn Rimes the other day, and noticed she has a new tattoo on her leg. Foolishly yet hardily, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:41:55 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos In a message dated 2/27/01 1:30:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, louislynch@paonline.com writes: << Some of them are right out there, big and bold and full of color. Some are hidden demurely behind clothing. And some have never quite gone under the needle. >> And some people are still horrified by tattoos because it reminds them of the murders of millions of people in the Holocaust. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:48:18 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > When I saw her in Atlanta, she preceded Dylan, which was great as it gave us the luxury of LEAVING! (Which I had not intended to do, just couldn't stomach it after Joni)... I had planned to leave after the Washington concert but was encouraged to stay by simon. I must say that I thought Bob and his band were kick ass rock and roll and I enjoyed every minute of it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:10:03 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Joni and James and Bobbie Z Hey, I love Dylan. yea the WWF crowds may be some of his fans nowadys, butI think those fans should get into Joni too. I thought the pairing was great because it forced Joni at several points during the concerts to defend herself proudly, which I strongly respected her for. For example, one of the post shows that someone had written stated that after being insulted by a fan, Joni declared, "Fuck you, I am just as good as Bob!" And at the show that I attended at Maryland College, a fan who shouted out, "bring out dylan" was actually hauled off the floor by the guards if i recall best. *** And not that This was the only good reason to pair the two together.. The shows were WOnderful! Joni was in such fine form and having Brian Blade on drums and Mark Isham on Trumpet was Spanktastic. Bob, I could deal with A Greasy cheesburger right now!! and some red wine.. damn I am hungry. love blair np: "Girl" Prince _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:04:47 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: body ornamentation & tattoos Harper Lou asked: > what tattoos they have. > What do Joni's fans wear on their skins? I saw a photo of LeeAnn Rimes the > other day, and noticed she has a new tattoo on her leg. Hi Louis, My husband has a fabulous snake wrapped around a dagger tattooed on his upper arm. I don't have any tattoos, but I do wear some pretty exotic/erotic body piercings (4 not counting my ears) in (on?) my skin, all hidden by clothing so I guess I count among the "demure" in the group. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:04:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos NJC <> Surely everyone (but Paul) saw it as a joke Harper, I certainly did which is why I joked back... As for tattoos, I don't have any because I give blood every two months (just cuz it's a good thing to do), and you have a take time off from that when you get a tattoo. Besides, when it comes to tatoos, my question is always the same... why? Bob NP: Crowded House, "Black & White Boy" (one of the great forgotten records of the 90's) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:15:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and James and Bobbie Z <> Yes, but this also meant she had to take the verbal abuse, something that I don't think ANY of us can be happy with...of course Joni's going to defend herself, with her Irish blood and all, but how much BETTER would it be if she wasn't forced to do that by people who didn't want to hear her in the first place? << For example, one of the post shows that someone had written stated that after being insulted by a fan, Joni declared, "Fuck you, I am just as good as Bob!" And at the show that I attended at Maryland College, a fan who shouted out, "bring out dylan" was actually hauled off the floor by the guards if i recall best.>> I'm really confused here, Blair...no offense man, but you think this is GOOD stuuf? How much of this is Joni going to tolerate before she finally says 'to hell with it'? This whole thing reminds me of the discussion we had recently about the unfunny comedian and Ami Mann, and how the unbalanced pairing was NOT a good idea... <> On this point we totally agree, my friend, and don't forget Greg Liesz on guitar and pedal steel - extrememly nice guy and also extrememly talented. I remember walking into Chastain Park to see her in 2000 and thinking that everyone else there was there to see Joni, and only Joni!! Bob NP: Crowded House, "Locked Out" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:18:25 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger In a message dated 2/27/01 1:17:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > When I saw her in Atlanta, she preceded Dylan, which was great as it gave us > the luxury of LEAVING! (Which I had not intended to do, just couldn't > stomach it after Joni)... > > Well, at MSG in NYC, Bob rocked! He brought the house down during Maggie's Farm! People were dancing in the aisles. It was awesome. NP Forever Young, Bob Dylan rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:18:39 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Buddy Picture from ricksmith68!] - NJC > For those interested, my nephew and his girlfriend at The Grammy's. > > Jerry WOW, they look smashing, Jerry! Thanks for sharing. Kakki P.S. Did they get into any after-parties? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:37:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger <> Rose, sweetie, darling, dearest Rose, you missed my point, so I'll try again. I will preface it by saying that Bob Dylan is one of the greatest singer-songwriters that ever lived. He even influenced Joni; she says when she heard "You've got a lot of nerve to say that you're my friend", it opened her eyes to the possibilities of what one could write about in the pop arena. Blood On The Tracks is one of the greatest records ever recorded by anyone. Bob's '98 tour was very successful and received rave reviews. In Atlanta, he also rocked, had the crowd going apeshit, dancing around and experiencing multiple eargasms...blah, blah... MY POINT WAS...Dylan's show was radically different stylistically than Joni's. Joni was subtle and intimate, Dylan was raucous. Like a ballet in one ring and a lion tamer in the other... I love wine AND greasy burgers as well!! And no, not JUST Boone's Farm!! ;~) Bob NP: Crowded House, "Distant Sun" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: tattoos now njc "Tattooing by puncture, with a sharp tool or needle which introduces a dye under the top layer of skin, was first practiced, so far as we know, in Ancient Egypt. Clay dolls fashioned during that civilization are the earliest evidence of tattooing to have been preserved. I have seen two of these dolls, with their tattoo-marks, in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford. Dr. Hambly says there is positive archeological proof that body markings by puncture tattoo were applied to human beings as well as female clay figurines in Egypt between 4000 and 2000 B.C." from Memoirs of a Tattooist by George Burchett. sure as hell didn't start with the nazi's, certainly didn't end there. alison e. in nyc - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > And some people are still horrified by tattoos > because it reminds them of the > murders of millions of people in the Holocaust. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:10:20 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger In a message dated 2/27/01 3:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Rose, sweetie, darling, dearest Rose, you missed my point, so I'll try again. > > I will preface it by saying that Bob Dylan is one of the greatest > singer-songwriters that ever lived. He even influenced Joni; she says when > she heard "You've got a lot of nerve to say that you're my friend", it > opened her eyes to the possibilities of what one could write about in the > pop arena. > > Blood On The Tracks is one of the greatest records ever recorded by anyone. > > Bob's '98 tour was very successful and received rave reviews. > > In Atlanta, he also rocked, had the crowd going apeshit, dancing around and > experiencing multiple eargasms...blah, blah... > > MY POINT WAS...Dylan's show was radically different stylistically than > Joni's. Joni was subtle and intimate, Dylan was raucous. Like a ballet in > one ring and a lion tamer in the other... > > I love wine AND greasy burgers as well!! And no, not JUST Boone's Farm!! ;~) > > Bob > > NP: Crowded House, "Distant Sun" > Bob Honey, OK, I guess I understand what you were saying. I tend to be very defensive of this singer/songwriter/poet. One of the most prophetic, poetic voices of our generation. He's up there with Joni and Cohen in my book. NP: Things Have Changed, Bob Dylan :~) Rosalita rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) damn, where was this fabulous program EIGHT years ago???? this could really have been helpful for you, not to mention kenneth starr and rush limbaugh!!! too bad, too bad. alison e. in nyc - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote:> > MARCEL's ADULT POLITICAL EDUCATION BY MAIL AVAILABLE > TO THE LOSING POLITICAL > PARTY. > Today and Today only. Offering a deep discount on my > new video course > (avalable on CDs also). Ive put alot of wok into > this and its extreemly > theraputic. If you're a beleagured Republican in shock > over the prospect of > four years without a scandal OR power this specially > designed course is for > you. > . > It works. My course is entitled "How To Survive > Mentally The Election of The > Other Political Party". Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:10:02 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger > MY POINT WAS...Dylan's show was radically different stylistically than Joni's. Joni was subtle and intimate, Dylan was raucous. Like a ballet in one ring and a lion tamer in the other... > I found Dylan's show to be a good chaser after seeing Joni. Her's was so intense and his was just good rock'n'roll that allowed me to come back down, a little bit anyway... Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:58:54 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Dr.Suess celebrates his Birthday(njc) For anyone in the area who is interested(Atlanta, Georgia), we are having our annual party celebrating the birthday of Dr.Suess this weekend. Info is below: Hey All!! Come to the 5th Annual Dr Seuss' Birthday Bash Saturday, March 3, 2001 at Jeff, Victor and Ray's Seuss Juice (ask anyone who has come before) and good keg beer will be available (contributions will be welcomed, we are but poor lads). Come as your favorite Dr Seuss character and see what tomfoolery ensues! 1209 McConnell Dr Decatur Come to the intersection of Clairmont Rd and North Druid Hills, head south on Clairmont, right at the first light (McConnell) and we are the 3rd house on the left. Phone 404 929 9174 We see you there (or here) Sincerely Jeff, Victor and Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:06:57 -0000 From: "Steve" Subject: re Joni in Scotland Hi Rose, trust you to stir that Scots blood in me somewhere :o) Willy wrote<<<<<<. Is there any record of where Joni went in Scotland? I vaguely remember her saying something about heavy drapes and mustiness. That would be around the early time when she was with Larry Klein.>>>>>> Having a genuine interest in genealogy (my own goes back to 1066 and all that ) and Scots history. I've been fascinated about any Joni links with Scotland. Since her very early days when I realised her maiden name was Anderson, which is a very common name in Scotland and also a large downtown area in my home town of Glasgow. But it was really based on no facts at all. ( as it turns out Joni's dad, and the "Anders' son" name,came from Norway) It wasn't until the mid 90's that I came upon an interview tape of Joni, stating that she owed a lot of her songwriting skills to her Irish and Scottish ancestry. That made me perk up a bit. Then Brian Hinton's book came out in 96 and explained quite a bit about her links with Scotland. It seems that Joni's maternal grandmother, Sadie McKee (nee Henderson), who Joni dedicated her "Clouds" LP to, had quite an influence on Joni. Joni is quoted as saying " My maternal grandmother, was a classical trained musician who came East when the prairies opened up by train. She was Scottish-French and a poetand musician, but she still kicked the kitchen door off it's hinges out of her frustration at being trapped in the role of a housewife" Quite a bit of "fire" in the Joni-genes then ;~) along with some surprising details. Joni reckons she "got the bard" from Sadie " who wrote poetry in a thick Scottish brogue like Robert Burns, about the lifestyles of the French and Indian traders. Sleekit cowerin timerous beastie......... Joni ?????? I don't think :o)))) It also turns out that Sadie's great grandfather had once been employed by Sir Walter Scott, the Scottish novelist and also a renowned collector of Scots ballads. It seems Sadie's g-grandfather was given a medal by Sir Walter for "ploughing the fastest furrows in the shortest time" All in all it looks like our Joan is a real "earth mother" way back in her roots. And I'm sure all the French/Irish/Swedish genes have helped too in that great big melting pot that is North America, making her the extremely talented individual we all love. Willy wrote <<<<<<. Is there any record of where Joni went in Scotland? I vaguely remember her saying something about heavy drapes and mustiness. That would be around the early time when she was with Larry Klein. >>>>>>>> Not to my knowledge. But I do remeber her giving an interview when recording part of "Chalkmark" at Peter Gabriel's house in England that she and Larry Klein had taken a short trip to Scotland. I reckon there would be no shortage of sights to see not least Sir Walter Scott's magnificent home, Abbotsford, which could well be the <<< heavy drapes and mustiness. >>>>>>>>>. Hope that's a help, Willy,,,,,<<<<<<<. she did pay us Scots a braw compliment.>>>>> <<<<< And I threw my drink - must be the Irish blood.Willy the Shake>>>>> Jings ,crivvens and help ma boab.......Willy the Shake, an Irish Scotsman ;o) You'll be tellin us rabbie Burns is American next...........LOL Back to lurkdom.........Steve..........the impossible dreamer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:12:27 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni & The Greasy Burger Victor Johnson wrote: > I found Dylan's show to be a good chaser after seeing Joni. Her's was so > intense and his was just good rock'n'roll that allowed me to come back down, > a little bit anyway... Good chaser, yes. I enjoyed the contrast between them, champagne and beer, introversion and concentration with Joni and dancing in the aisles and smoking funny stuff second-hand with Bob. I was very glad I'd stayed to see him once I got used to the sudden increase in the noise and energy level. Couldn't understand anything he said and barely recognized the classic songs I'm familiar with, but it was thrilling experiencing two legends on the same night. I enjoyed that MSG concert more than seeing Joni all by herself. The BSN audience was almost too respectful a crowd, and there was that orchestra sound lulling me to sleep too. Great being in the same space as Joni though. No matter what she's doing, she's a magical performer; no complaints there. Debra Shea NP: National tv news; mentally preparing myself for watching the selected president give his first State of the Union address tonight. I can't wait until he busts out laughing during one of his speeches and says, "gotcha, fooled you, hahahahahaha." I get ready for it every time that little snickering expression shows on his face while he's acting sincere. Maybe tonight he'll let loose with the truth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:12:10 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos NJC The "Bob" said: > Besides, when it comes to tatoos, my question is always the same... > > why? > And I say.......why not? ;-) Hugs, Ashara (with two tatoos!) (Say that 10 times fast!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:15:31 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: body ornamentation & tattoos I have a fairly complex barbed wire/vine-ish wraparound tattoo on my upper left arm, and my nose is pierced. My sister has a similar tattoo although hers is more simple, and a aquamarine crescent on her shoulder. My brother has a Fire Dancer on his shoulder as well. AFAIK, my parents don't have any :) NP-Dave Matthews Band, Everyday - Space Between >Harper Lou asked: > >> what tattoos they have. >> What do Joni's fans wear on their skins? I saw a photo of LeeAnn >Rimes the >> other day, and noticed she has a new tattoo on her leg. > >Hi Louis, > >My husband has a fabulous snake wrapped around a dagger tattooed on >his upper arm. I don't have any tattoos, but I do wear some pretty >exotic/erotic body piercings (4 not counting my ears) in (on?) my >skin, all hidden by clothing so I guess I count among the "demure" in >the group. > >Cassy - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape/cd trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:43:52 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Nonsense (NJC) Mikie wrote: > and (Ashara's son who is in town and I just got off the phone > with and he's only 20 years old and going to everyshow in town) etc. BTW > he's an adopted son of Ashara's she is MUCH too young to have a son that is > twenty!!! Oh my deah, how you go on! If he is adopted.....why did I have the labor pains?? OH, I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must have been only 5 when he was born!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara P.S. BTW.....he is not 20 until March 1st!!!!!!!!!!! Out of his teens....I CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!!!!!! P.P.S. How much trouble did he get in??? P.P.P.S. I don't want to know!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:52:52 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY GAWD!!! Kakki, get ahold of yourself. I expect such beahaviour from the young folk on the list, but Amaretto and Coke??? I feel I have been left behind by the sweet tooths on the list. I dunno maybe I would be game to try it just once. hee hee Paz (recovering from two night with the Neville Brothers at House of Blues, Mardi Gras Parade madness, a crawfish boil, two martinis, and carting home tons of beads and trinkets. NP_Silence IS Golden on 2/26/01 5:47 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Big Happy Birthday Kate! Hope you have a wonderful evening. > > Raising my Amaretto/Coke to you! (Nikki has converted me, oh nooooooo ;-) > > Cheers! > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:54:51 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paging Nikki!!!!!! We need the song lists for Rare and Unreleased so Bob will not have any trouble with his NP references. Thank you. The management. on 2/26/01 6:41 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Bob, with foot well placed in mouth... > > NP: Dave Matthews, ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:41:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paz, shocked, wrote: > OH MY GAWD!!! Kakki, get ahold of yourself. I >expect such beahaviour from the young folk on the list, >but Amaretto and Coke??? I feel I have been left > behind by the sweet tooths on the list. I dunno maybe I >would be game to try it just once. hee hee Thought I would gag but I took to it like a duck to water! It tastes just like a maraschino cherry - yummmm. Makes me want to re-visit my fave drink when I was 16 (besides Boone's Farm) - Sloe Gin and Coke - hahaha Happy Mardi Gras to Paz and all -wish I was there reveling. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:35:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now its my turn to say WAAAAAAAAAAA, i wanted to go! Paz (recovering from two night with the Neville Brothers at House of Blues, Mardi Gras Parade madness, a crawfish boil, two martinis, and carting home tons of beads and trinkets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:03:51 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos NJC Thamks alot Ashara. i just knocked two bridges out of my mouth and sprained my tongue. Other than that, can we please have a show and tell and this years fest??? Paz (with THAT luck on my face) uh huh THAT ONE! on 2/27/01 4:12 PM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Hugs, > Ashara (with two tatoos!) (Say that 10 times fast!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:02:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & James -- and tattoos NJC << And I say.......why not? ;-) >> Because you have to spend money that could otherwise be spent on music! ;~) Or, what if the tatooist suddenly has some kind of seizure and goes nuts with the machine and rips you wide open? That would be a bad thing. Or, what if it's some kind of scam and the ink contains some type of serum that would cause you to vote Republican? Even worse! :~D Bob NP: Bruce, "Darkness On The Edge of Town" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:06:44 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mardi Gras is OVER rated! Come for Jazz Fest I still have a suite left here at Paz Manor and bring your harp blowing hubby! Paz on 2/27/01 4:35 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > now its my turn to say WAAAAAAAAAAA, i wanted to go! > > Paz (recovering from two night with the Neville Brothers at House of Blues, > Mardi Gras Parade madness, a crawfish boil, two martinis, and carting home > tons of beads and trinkets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:11:09 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Nonsense (NJC) The police dept only called four times and asked me to limit his visits to New Orleans to ONLY 10-12 times a year. They also sent condolences to his professores at the universidad en Carolina del Norte. Respectfully submitted, Paz on 2/27/01 4:43 PM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: Mikie wrote: and (Ashara's son who is in town and I just got off the phone with and he's only 20 years old and going to everyshow in town) etc. BTW he's an adopted son of Ashara's she is MUCH too young to have a son that is twenty!!! Oh my deah, how you go on! If he is adopted.....why did I have the labor pains?? OH, I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must have been only 5 when he was born!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara P.S. BTW.....he is not 20 until March 1st!!!!!!!!!!! Out of his teens....I CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!!!!!! P.P.S. How much trouble did he get in??? P.P.P.S. I don't want to know!!! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #99 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?