From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 098 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) [Vince Lavie] RE: Subtitles/George Lucas - NJC [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Kakki" ] Re: it's MOI njc ["Kakki" ] Enuff friggin' Subtitles - NJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Re: yeah, Joni's gorgeous/Covers Vo. 14 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Subtitles - NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Joni Giveaway [Catherine Udall Turley ] All JMDL Video Trees Available *NOW* to USA and Canada ["Jim L'Hommedieu"] Re: Ang Lee NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE:??????? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) [Catherine M] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Victor Johnson"] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [TreyCozy@aol.com] For DMB fans [dsk ] Re: Ang Lee NJC [jan gyn ] RE: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Kate Bennett" <] for your listening pleasure NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:35:46 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > My course is entitled "How To Survive Mentally The Election of The > Other Political Party". > > Subjects covered: > > 5 Units: How to ignore coverups obstruction of investigations. Let me guess, let me guess! George H. W. Bush is your guest lecturer, and his topic will be how he pardoned the indicted Caspar Weinburger before Weinburger went to trial, so that the truth about Iran Contra, including Bush's claim that he was "out of the loop," would never come out? Time to play some more Jeff Airplane "Volunteers"! Or, even better, go see Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon again! Tonight in my step aerbobics class, with all those CTHD scenes in my head, you should have seen me fly! Probably every movement I made was 50% bigger than usual! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:57:10 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: RE: Subtitles/George Lucas - NJC Artheo writes: << Studies have been done that bear this theory out. Francis Ford Coppola funded such a study >> Forgive this lengthy interlude, but I wanted to shed a little light on Artheobs discussion regarding the bstudyb done by Coppola, as it pertained to subtitles. My having been a former member of the George Lucas bForceb (THX Technologies Division), I have some insight I can share. The 'study' was done in the mid 70bs, and was privately funded by Coppola, and included a 'soon to be' professor from USC by the name of Tomlinson Holman; as well as an 'up and coming' new film producer, who was at the time being mentored by Francis, by the name of George Lucas. The study looked at a myriad of issues dealing with the theory of the bSuspension of Disbeliefb as it pertains to the emotional and psychological impact of film. In the study's examination of subtitles, it found that they were obviously unavoidable in a global market of film release, but encouraged filmmakers to avoid where possible, suggesting that large studio film releases, originating outside the US, would be best served by a remake or simultaneous shooting of the film in English. That proved to be problematic on many levels and has never been adopted to any degree. Under no circumstances did the study recommend doing different language bvoice oversb, nor the vain attempts at lip syncing that accompanied this futile and faulty practice. "Voice overs' were found to be far more distracting than subtitles. An interesting aside from this study is that, after Coppola exited the study, George enlisted the continuing services of Holman, and from this expanded inquiry emerged the technologies upon which George founded Skywalker Sound, PIXAR (which he later sold to Steve Jobs of Apple Computer fame in 1986 for $10 million), Industrial Light & Magic, and the THX Technologies Division. These Divisions of Lucasfilm Ltd. have allowed George to exert a significant impact upon, and enjoy financial profit of one form or another from, nearly 70% of all major motion pictures made since the mid 80bs. George's staggering, and bprivately heldb personal wealth is in the billions, a fact not many people realize. That doesn't necessarily make George a great producer, but it does make him profoundly influential within the modern film industry. He is also a most kind and genuine individual, and remarkably unpretentious. George is also an amazingly generous and caring man of deep social conscience and conviction. He quietly invests millions of dollars annually, through the George Lucas Educational Foundation, to improve the quality of education in this country, by being a voice and a force to bring about a fundamental change in the way we educate today. Just a little bFYIb prompted by the 'subtitles' and Lucas threads. Rob of 'Stumptown' NP: Red Dirt Girl - Emmylou Harris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:47:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big Happy Birthday Kate! Hope you have a wonderful evening. Raising my Amaretto/Coke to you! (Nikki has converted me, oh nooooooo ;-) Cheers! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:57:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: yeah, Joni's gorgeous/Covers Vo. 14 Hey Andy! Good to see you pop up! > Also, on the facelift thread, when I saw Joni up close in >Hollywood in December 1999 at the opening of the >exhibition of her paintings at LACE, she didn't look to >have had any work done. We've had the facelift debate a number of times here, and I would have suspected it had I not also seen her up close at PWWAM and LACE. She's aging naturally but she does have a miracle make-up man in Paul Starr. I thought it was funny when she joked in one of the interviews about having the face that could morph into anything. She is much more beautiful in person than in most of her photos. I also kind of agree with the theory of sleeping in all day and avoiding the sun. Good beauty rest. Add that to her spirit and innate creativity and she wears it real well - for free ;-) Kakki NP: Covers Vol. 14 just arrived - thanks Bob!! This is another great one, well-arranged by Bob and with nice art work. The Midnight Cowboy Song doesn't sound like Joni at all! So far, the standouts for me are Richard Isen, Lydia Van Damme, Mark Murphy and Andy Milne's Cosmic Dapp Theory, but they are all great! Thanks to the contributors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:04:30 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Brits at Jonifests I saw the thread about the lack of Brits at Jonifests. Do mini-fests count? I was at the mini-fest prior to the Clarkston BSN show and I'm a Brit :) Cassy NP: Public Television - The Antiques Roadshow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:05:02 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: it's MOI njc > hello my little ones!!!! Welcome back Great Birthday Fairy Numero Uno! Loved your post and am glad Vancouver soothed your soul. Kakki NP: CPR - For Free ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:26:24 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Enuff friggin' Subtitles - NJC Return-path: From: Artheobeat@aol.com Full-name: Artheobeat Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:25:20 EST Subject: Re: Subtitles - NJC To: revrvl@pathwaynet.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 In a message dated 2/26/01 4:00:49 PM, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << My friend, I would hate that. A dubbed film is a ruined film. The original voice is always important. >> You said dubbed my man - NOT I. I was imagining the same film actually shot in English. Man, do things get misinterpreted on this list!! I've said enough - good god - CTHD was the best kung fu movie I have ever seen, actually the only. I don't go to kung fu movies knowingly. I'm done on this stupid topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TIA, Artheo NP - Kung Fu Fighting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:41:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! << but, um, it wasn't me who so boldly proclaimed my extracurricular "activities" ,,,, it was the OTHER kate (from Canada?) >> LOL! Mea culpa!! LOL! Well, what do you expect from the substitute for the substitute Birthday Fairy? :~D Bob, with foot well placed in mouth... NP: Dave Matthews, ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:51:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: yeah, Joni's gorgeous/Covers Vo. 14 << This is another great one, well-arranged by Bob and with nice art work. The Midnight Cowboy Song doesn't sound like Joni at all! >> Thanks for the good words, Kakki...I agree about Midnight Cowboy, I'm dying to hear what Joni sounded like singing it...on a similar note, I have the recording of O.C. Smith singing "Just Couldn't Help Myself", that Joni co-wrote and this one sounds a LOT like Joni to me. Has a real "Help Me" C&S feel to it, soulful jazzy feel... Can't you just see Joni grooving to that funky Andy Milne "Free Man In Paris"? I love it!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:13:31 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Subtitles - NJC Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/01 4:00:49 PM, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > > << My friend, I would hate that. A dubbed film is a ruined film. The > original > voice is always important. >> > > You said dubbed my man - NOT I. I was imagining the same film actually shot > in English. Then it would not be the same movie at all. It is a Chinese film. It was an intentional choice to make a Chinese film, perhaps because it enables the audience to buy into the movie's concept. Would Pagliacci be a better opera if in English to make it easier for Americans? Would Tonio's cry, "Ridi, pagliacco" sound better if it were "I am a clown?" Hardly. The choice of language/dialect is essential. All operas in America are subtitled, have been for many years, the last holdout being the NY Met two/three years ago. Stay away! Subtitles are talking over the world! By the way, significant parts of the movie Traffic are also subtitled. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:15:43 +0000 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Joni Giveaway Hello friends. I am divesting. Life is too short to be dragging around too much stuff, even if it is cool Joni stuff. ( So, can you tell I've moved house twice in the last year, and had all my earthly possessions in a storage locker for four months?) So I'm looking at my Joni Stuff, and realize that I have duplicates and things I am not really attached to. They must go. I am not so cold, of course, that I don't want them to go to loving, Joni-friendly homes. <> Won't you help? In the spirit of good and generous listers like SC Bob and Lama (and many others, of course) I am giving away the following items (all I ask is reimbursement for the cost of sending them to you. Non-US listers step right up, we'll work something out for postage). Email me if you would like any of these items. If I get multiple requests for the same item, I will draw names from a hat. I'll collect emails until Friday, March 2nd at midnight PST. 1) August 1998 issue of Mojo Magazine. 1 Copy. Joni on the cover with other "American Masters." (like Randy Newman and Prince and some other guys). Cool interview, lots of lovely full color photos including shots of her fabulous Bel Aire Spanish style mansion. Find out what Joni says! See her house! See her stuff! 2) 12" Vinyl Single of "Snakes and Ladders." 1 Copy. Why do I own this? I have no recollection of purchasing this. I have no recollection of ever playing it, yet there it is, sitting in a box next to my Lily Tomlin LPs. This is just the album version of the song, no extra material, on a 12" vinyl disc. It could actually be unplayed, and certainly is in mint condition. Cover has something written in blue ballpoint in one corner, and the art is a large bluish duo tone from the CMIARS era (The Joan wrapped in an Indian blanket, wearing a hat) . Hate this song? Get it and face your demon. Love this song? Get it and wallow in its delicious late 80s-ness. 3) AD From Billboard Magazine, 1985, for Dog Eat Dog. 1 Copy. About 11 by 17 inches. Paid way too much for this on eBay in a moment of irrational affection for my loved DED. Arrived laminated on a textured piece of green cardstock. V. disappointed. Let this banner of my suckerhood make your heart light, because for you, it will be FREE! 4) CDR: The Hissing Demos, or The Seeding of Summer Lawns, as transferred and packaged by our own Don Rowe. Multiple copies. Has the legendary Hissing of Summer Lawns demos, plus some live goodies after the demos. Several copies with cool HOSLesque artwork 5) CDR: AT & T Presents Stormy Weather. Multiple copies. The Walden Woods benefit concert from the Spring of 1998, recorded at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles. Performances by Joni, Bjork, Shawn Colvin, Trisha Yearwood, many others. Will be glad to make copies of this till the complete concert is commercially available. 6) CDR. Joni live @ the Greek Theatre, May 12, 2000. Opening night of the BSN tour. Multiple copies. Audience recording with digital mic and minidisc recorder. Featuring much very loud clapping, a number of barely discernible under-the-breath comments, (which you can make out if you listen on the headphones) microphone jostling. And a sublime concert experience. Guest appearances by Herbie Hancock, Mark Isham, Larry. Includes the whole of the BSN album, plus the new orchestral versions of Be Cool, Judgment of the Moon and Stars, Hejira, For the Roses, and Trouble Man. Limited number of these 2-cd sets feature special limited-edition artwork guaranteed to leave you feeling fresh all day. 7) BSN 2000 tour program. Multiple copies. Shamelesly picked up post concert from amidst the spilt beer and french-fry strewn aisles of the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles. Some of them have "character." (Scuffs and folds. Lesson learned from Mr. Dulson: If you want clean copies, ask an usher.) These are just single letter-sized sheets, folded in half, but sometimes they show up on eBay for $10 a piece. (See #3 above re: being an eBay sucker.) All you gotta do is ask! Catheine T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:16:23 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: All JMDL Video Trees Available *NOW* to USA and Canada Both of the JMDL video trees are available. If you are in the USA, just send me VHS blanks and return postage. From Canada, send the blanks and I will bill you for return postage if you can pay in US Dollars. (UK residents, who use the PAL encoding scheme should post a polite request to the List. There are JMDLers in the UK who can help you out.) Video Tree #1 (on 2 VHS tapes) and Video Tree #2 (on two other VHS tapes) contain footage of Joni in the early days on black and white TV in the swingin' 60s through the opening of the 'voices' show in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan last year. You'll even see Joni's childhood home in Saskatchewan! Your copy of the video trees will be dubbed from my copy made by Ashara herself. Some of the segments are in mono and some are in nice, hiss-free stereo. Vol 1 is complete with reproductions of the jackets and Vol 2 is complete with the 'voices' liner notes. Write me off-list for details........ Lama np: Tom Petty's "Into the Great Wide Open" produced by Geoffrey Lynne. Yeah, the lyrics suck but it rocks. You got a problem with that??? About Catherine T.'s take on foreign language films: Yeah, what she said. Subtitles over dubbing any day. About George Harrison: Oh, it's so nice to see a thread about George. He's always been one of my all-time, Top Three, favorite Beatles......... :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ang Lee NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > Catherine, did you catch the Ang Lee reference in > last night's Simpson's? He was in a boyband called > the Party Posse, and when they showed the video, it > said "directed by: Ang Lee" got a pretty good > chuckle on that one. > That was one of the best Simpsons in a long time (one of the other Catherines chimes in.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE:??????? njc - --- Garret wrote: > you know, i was just thinking that it is quiet > around here:-) > both you and Catherine in toronto on the silent > front!! what ever is the > world coming to? Incredible, but true - I AM capable of shutting up! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Out of Power ??? No problem. Course now available. (njc) - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > MARCEL's ADULT POLITICAL EDUCATION BY MAIL AVAILABLE > TO THE LOSING POLITICAL > PARTY. > Marcel, dahlink, I like you a whole bunch better when you're talking about music and Joni-fests... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:13:24 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thought I'd write this out especially for Kate. Happy Birthday! Victor Happy Fucking Birthday Happy Fucking Birthday to You Looks like another year's gone down the tubes You don't look a day over 60 So happy fucking birthday to you On the day that you were born, The doctor's face turned red. He went to pinch your cheeks, But slapped your mom instead. You' ll probably live to be a-hundred and two, So happy fucking birthday to you, And many more, Happy Fucking Birthday to you! (music and lyrics by Mark Richard) Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:24:30 EST From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Can I just say something in defense of this thread?! I actually made a wonderful tape of all my "least favorites" and ones I generally scoot past, and I must say, I have grown to really like a lot of them!!! I remember this mix tape well. The first song was JUNGLE LINE!! I have such a new appreciation for it now.. Anyway, just my three and a half cents.. Trey np - Amen, Paula Cole Band ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:46:00 -0500 From: dsk Subject: For DMB fans Dave Matthews Band is on David Letterman show tonight. New cd out tomorrow! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:52:47 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Ang Lee NJC At 06:01 PM 2/26/01 -0500, Vince Lavieri wrote: >As far as references go, there is a great Italian film called the Night of the Shooting Stars and Ang Lee did a tribute to that in a shot that was all homage to that film, and even more fun, Ang Lee's homage was in perfect >keeping with the Italian film. I thought it was a wonderful touch! > >(the Rev) Vince > Wow. 'Night of the Shooting Stars' was one of my favorite movies; but I hadn't thought of it in years. Weren't the directors brothers, like the 'Taviani' brothers or something? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:20:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no more martinis?! oh nooooo.... (thanks Kakki!) we had a nice family birthday dinner (its monday, a low key night for a birthday) but more celebrations due this weekend! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki [mailto:KakkiB@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:47 PM To: Kate Bennett; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big Happy Birthday Kate! Hope you have a wonderful evening. Raising my Amaretto/Coke to you! (Nikki has converted me, oh nooooooo ;-) Cheers! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: for your listening pleasure NJC NJC here, but I just got to share this wonderful new music I've just discovered... Did anyone on this list catch the radio program 'Afropop Worldwide' on NPR on Feb 16th? I heard only a portion-I was driving to dinner (a great noodle place in Chicago's Chinatown) and had it on in the car. they were playing Eithiopian music, and the selections I heard were fabulous! Imagine if you can equal parts psychedelic, '70's James Brown/Funkadelic funk and middle eastern music blended together. The performer's name was Mahmoud Ahmed, and after some searching, managed to aquire a couple of discs on Saturday. I'm loving this stuff! There's a series of discs released by the French label Buda Musique titled "Eithiopiques". I picked up vol. 3, which is a compilation of various artists, and vol. 6, which is a Mahmoud Ahmed lp originally released in 1973. Both are great, and both are a delicious blend of soul and middle eastern sounds. Extensive liner notes tell the history of Eithiopian pop,and fascinating it is. too much to go into here. Has anyone else heard this stuff? Do you know where i can get more of it? Nothng about Joni in this post, but I get the feeling there's a lot of people on this list with broad tastes in music, and thought you might find this interesting. Tyler Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #98 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?