From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #96 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 096 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Crouching Tiger NJC ["Ross, Les" ] Re: ??????? njc [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Crouching Tiger NJC [jan gyn ] Crotch Tiger [Artheobeat@aol.com] Jonifests? [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Crotch Tiger [jan gyn ] Re: Crotch Tiger [jan gyn ] Re: Jonifests? ["hell" ] Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) ["hell" ] Re: Crotch Tiger [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Crotch Tiger [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Jonifests? [Artheobeat@aol.com] NJC - george Harrison All Things Must Pass ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: NJC - george Harrison All Things Must Pass [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Jonifests? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Fwd: (no subject) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] least favorite Joni [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Alison E ] yeah, we're gorgeous [Steve Dulson ] RE: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) (NJC) [Alison E ] birthday gal NJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] NJC-Shawn Colvin in concert [Alison E ] Star Wars - NJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Artheobeat@aol.c] Jonatha on Acoustic Cafe! NJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Crouching Tiger NJC [catherine.turley@verizon.net] Batons/Fanny (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Ang Lee NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: VLJC-new member ["Lori R. Fye" ] Subtitles - NJC [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: least favorite Joni [Alison E ] Re: least favorite Joni [Rusty10113@aol.com] Joni in Scotland ["william" ] Joni's Lead Balloons ["william" ] (no subject) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: (no subject) NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Fanny NJC [philipf@tinet.ie] it's MOI njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: new list member, Jane njc [Randy Remote ] Clinton's a sleaze-for Marcel njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Relayer211@aol.com] re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["c Karma" ] Re: Clinton's a sleaze-for Marcel njc [Alison E ] Re: Jonifests? [Catherine McKay ] Re: it's MOI njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:14:17 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs In a message dated 2/25/01 3:43:20 PM, TerryM2222@aol.com writes: << Nothing Can Be Done >> On her 'Painting With Words' DVD live concert this song is superb - and she looks so hot singing it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:34:42 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Crouching Tiger NJC I've never been a fan of the flying-around-mayhem that attends these oriental sagas. I've never been able to suspend disbelief long enough to take the story as it unfolds. But for Crouch Tiger, Hidden Dragon, no problem at all. I was engaged right from the beginning with the opening scenes between Chow Yun Fat and Michelle Yeoh - anyone who has had an unrequited love will connect with this right away. When then first fight scene began I was just transported - what must that sound like!? For me, a truly excellent film. One that I rank among the best I have ever seen. Check out these reviews and quotes for the film. Les (London) http://www.crouchingtiger.com/sony_rev_quot.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:54:03 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: ??????? njc In a message dated 2/25/01 11:09:31 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << i mistakenly sent my previous test post to artheo. sorry artheo! >> No problem my friend! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:35:15 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Crouching Tiger NJC At 11:53 PM 2/25/01 -0500, Vince Lavieri wrote: >If you haven't seen 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' yet by all means >turn off your computer and go to the movies now. > >I haven't had that much fun at the movies since I saw 'Star Wars' for >the first time! > >(the Rev) Vince I 'hearted' it also! - -jan BTW, when my mom saw CTHD and I called to get her opinion, she answered the phone, "Jade Fox". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:03:33 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Crotch Tiger In a message dated 2/25/01 10:26:17 PM, catherine.turley@verizon.net writes: << (Crouching Tiger...) See this movie >> Nice looking movie - but the damned subtitles were totally distracting to the visual images - and struggling to 'read' the movie while trying to let myself 'fall' into the imagery finally just left me frustrated. It turned what should have been an emotional and soulful experience into an intellectual one. And I think the running and spinning through the air thing went a little too far for me to accept - even as a fantasy. Definitely can't recommend it. << put Ang Lee in charge of the rest of the Star Wars sequels. Just imagine. >> Please NO! Ang's made an interesting little Chinese movie, but to try to compare it with the brilliant layers and textures of the modern mythology that George Lucas has created called Star Wars is absurd - IMHO. TIA, Artheo NP - Joe's Garage - Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:12:21 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Jonifests? Greetings, What are Jonifests, and tape trees, and archives of unreleased Joni recordings, etc.?? Clue the new boy please! TIA, Artheo NP - "It's A Beautiful Day", by: It's A Beautiful Day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:56:46 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger At 04:03 AM 2/26/01 EST, Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: (snip) > Please NO! Ang's made an interesting little Chinese movie, but to try to >compare it with the brilliant layers and textures of the modern mythology >that George Lucas has created called Star Wars is absurd - IMHO. >TIA, Artheo >NP - Joe's Garage - Zappa 'Star Wars' brilliant? Get thee to a community college... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:09:52 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger > Nice looking movie - but the damned subtitles were totally distracting to >the visual images - and struggling to 'read' the movie while trying to let >myself 'fall' into the imagery finally just left me frustrated. It turned >what should have been an emotional and soulful experience into an >intellectual one. And I think the running and spinning through the air (snip) >TIA, Artheo >NP - Joe's Garage - Zappa 'Struggled' with 'reading' the movie? It took like .000000001 seconds to read those subtitles. I'd suggest skipping any Rohmer movie and anything else European for that matter. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:00:02 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Jonifests? Artheo wrote: > What are Jonifests, and tape trees, and archives of unreleased Joni > recordings, etc.?? > Clue the new boy please! Welcome to the best discussion list on the internet, and the nicest people! And now to answer your questions: Jonifest are get-togethers for list members. Lots of people getting to know each other first hand, playing music, drinking martinis, eating nice food, and generally having the time of their lives on the other side of the world from me! Recordings of the last two are available, and are well worth a listen - the next best thing to being there! The tape trees come around every so often - and are made up of unreleased Joni material. They start with a "branch" who make copies for their "leaves" in all areas of the world. There is no tape tree circulating at the moment, but if you ask very nicely, I'm sure someone will be able to hook you up with back-copies, for the price of postage and blanks. A damn good deal - and a lot cheaper than Ebay! The archives pretty much equal the tape trees. And as well as tape trees, there are video trees also, with TV appearances, film footage etc. Hopefully that about covers it - enjoy the list! Hell (aka Helen) in NZ ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:08:20 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) Kakki wrote: > I was just writing to a couple others about this ;-) We're thinking maybe > sometime next (Northern Hemisphere) winter when people are craving the sun. > If you plan it right, Hawaii is pretty inexpensive to fly to from just about > anywhere in the U.S. and Canada. I've made a new vow to go at least once a > year like I used to do. A house would be great, but there are also some > condo buildings on the beach where you can rent out practically the whole > place ;-) very cheaply so more people can be accomodated and we needn't > worry about bothering anyone. It also might be attractive for those who > want to bring along the family or significant others (and help sweeten the > idea of going away to a jmdl gathering ;-D I guarantee it would be a > fantastic place for us to get together. Stop it, you're getting me very excited! I'm already planning my packing, and thinking about organising the cattery for Sam! I assume this may be a mini-fest though, given the cost, and the lack, or relative scarcity of recording equipment and instruments. But even a mini-fest is better than none. Bring it on!!! And just as a comparison, to fly to New York would cost me (at today's prices) $1795 return. Honolulu is only $1055 return! Infinitely better! Hell - about to go to bed and dream of pink hotels.... and surf..... and sun..... and golden beaches.... and palm trees.... and coconuts.... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:02:34 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger In a message dated 2/26/01 2:27:45 AM, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << 'Star Wars' brilliant? >> Yes - brilliant, cohesive, and meticulously conceived. The histories stand up, as do the chronologies, races, genealogies, planetary systems. I am not presenting a case for great literature - just brilliant mythology. Crotch Tiger is a kung fu movie with prettier scenery - with little or no mythological development. << Get thee to a community college... >> Too late! I've already got a degree from U of Oregon. Graduated in '69. TIA, Artheo NP - Mickey Hart's Mystery Box ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:05:29 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger In a message dated 2/26/01 2:38:34 AM, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << I'd suggest skipping any Rohmer movie and anything else European >> I do! I prefer 'reading' a good book - not a movie. TIA, Artheo NP - Mickey Hart's Mystery Box ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:12:44 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? In a message dated 2/26/01 3:00:53 AM, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Welcome to the best discussion list on the internet, >> Thank you Hell! << and the nicest people! >> Yes, I've just met Jan - some truly nice people here. ;-) << And now to answer your questions: ...that about covers it - enjoy the list! >> Again - thanks Hell. You've been most kind. TIA, Artheo NP - Birth of Cool, by: Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:20:03 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: NJC - george Harrison All Things Must Pass hi >Randy Remote wrote it is clear and sparkling, a breath of fresh air. The new version of "My Sweet Lord" (with Harrison's son Dhani on acoustic guitar) is a nice kind of quirky take on his big hit. Thumbs up, 2 CD's of great material for under $20 (if you shop around). i always rated george as the best of the post beatle beatles, and really enjoyed "dark horse" and his tracks on "concert for bangladesh" ( R 40/USD5.00 for a 2 disc set!!) i had to go & take a look for this album after hearing it so well rated best price i can get it for here is R 300.00 ( around usd 40.00 )!!! damn - even shadows & light (2 disc version) was cheaper than that!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:17:52 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Brits at Jonifests Marcel accused us of having a damp and foggy climate, to which Clive responded: > Well it sure is foggy and wet a lot of the time here in the UK. And dreary > too! Nevertheless, this sounds like a challenge! If we managed to find our > way across the Big Pond armed only with guitars and toothbrushes, could you > guys line up some places to play where we could beg, steal, borrow amps, > drums, p.a? (Oh, and somewhere to sleep?) Can we help turn M's dream into > reality? And hey look - I'm staring out of the window at a sunny blue sky. Bit cold though. I will definitely have a go at getting over to Ashara's this year. That is, just as long as I can persuade the airline not to turn my fretless bass into kindling. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:36:25 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - george Harrison All Things Must Pass I was there! This is a wonderful album. Bob Dylan , Billy Preston, Ravi Shankar and Leon Russell were smokin' that night. Where do you live Ron? It's about US 28.00 & shipping and tax on CDNOW. If there's anything I can do to help you out, let me know. Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:48:41 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Least Favorite Joni Songs That's not "Nothing Can Be Done" she's singing on the PWWAM DVD. It's "Come's Love." "Nothing Can Be Done," which has made some least-favorite lists, was on the album "Night Ride Home" and includes the lyrics, "I am not old, I'm told, but I'm not young, and nothing can be done" etc. etc. I agree that her interpretation of "Comes Love" is first rate! > << Nothing Can Be Done >> > > On her 'Painting With Words' DVD live concert this song is superb > - and she > looks so hot singing it! - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:45:15 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? In a message dated 2/26/01 4:24:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Artheobeat@aol.com writes: > What are Jonifests, and tape trees, and archives of unreleased Joni > recordings, etc.?? > Clue the new boy please! > TIA, Artheo > Hi Artheo and Welcome! JoniFests are when a bunch of us listers get together to party and play music. Tape Trees are not for profit live recordings of Joni. There are none going on right now, but you can find out more about it on the JMDL site. Just go to trading and also check out the PICS of our previous Jonifests. They are there as well. We're all waiting......for Ashara (the hostess) to make the announcement for the JoniFest 2001 in Topsfield, MA (USA). She's been teasing us all ;~) Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:07:23 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Return-path: From: Kammass@aol.com Full-name: Kammass Message-ID: <67.10393e43.27cbab74@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:52:04 EST Subject: (no subject) To: mailto:joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain hey everyone, thanks for the welcome to the jmdl! Everyone was so nice to welcome me like yall did! Look forward to meeting everyone, especially locals-Cindy and Joan. Does everyone know John Wilson's 1975 children's video, "Fantastic, all Electric Music Movie"? It has a cartoon for "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Both Sides Now". (also includes other artists like Sonny and Cher, Jim Croce, Stevie Wonder etc..) very cool 70's art! Thanks again for the warm welcome bye for now Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:35:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines God Must Be A Boogie Man A Chair In The Sky The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey Be Cool Sweet Sucker Dance Love The Three Great Stimulants The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) Snakes And Ladders The Reoccurring Dream Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:36:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We're all "Over The Moon" about her... Her first name rhymes with GREAT, which is a good word for her... And by her own confession, she is a very (ahem) active lady! :~D So give it up for her on her birthday, let's hear a rousing JMDL cheer for.... KATE BENNETT!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope it's a super day, Kate! Thanks for all you bring to this community! Bob, filling in for Jimmy, filling in for Wally... NP: CSNY, "Almost Cut My Hair" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:54:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fanny NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > > Which band member of Fanny was your friends sister? A couple of years ago I > went to hear two former members of Fanny, Jean & June Millington- they were > incredible & I wondered how I had missed them as Fanny years ago, the first > real rockin all female band that I know of. Probably because you were too young :) I first got turned on to them by 2 women I sang with in a band. And that was in 1973! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:30:18 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 2/26/01 9:00:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > And by her own confession, she is a very (ahem) active lady! :~D I'll say!!! Jesus Kate, take it easy. The frightening moon is in Aries today. > > So give it up for her on her birthday, let's hear a rousing JMDL cheer > for.... > > KATE BENNETT!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Hope it's a super day, Kate! Thanks for all you bring to this community! Hope you can make it to JoniFest this year. > > Bob, filling in for Jimmy, filling in for Wally... To one Piscean Jersey Girl to another, HAPPY F**%CKING BIRTHDAY KATE!!!! You Go Girl! Lots of Love, Rosalita still waiting for ya to arrive in Jersey for that manicotti dinner > > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:30:10 -0500 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: least favorite Joni hi everyone! i'm in big-time lurk mode, writing and researching myself nutty over here... um, least faves... 1. fiddle and the drum (PAINFUL! and impossible to get out of my head after i hear it) 2. love (i know people love this one -- but i find it kind of embarrassing and irritating...hearing music's greatest lyricist stoop to tired quoting and cliches about "love") 3. MOA BYT 4. MOA Woodstock (both of these sound like joni in a nightmare bizarro world!) and probably a bunch from DED and CMIARS, but i don't listen to those very often, so i can hardly recall! (as a "dancin clown" sidenote: i've loved this song ever since i saw the video where she dances around the kitchen, holding her impassive cat upside down. so now it's become my and MY cat's favorite to twirl around to...mickey, however, doesn't take well to the upside-down treatment!) - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY BIRHDAY KATE! I don't know how old you are, but you don't look a day over 10 years younger than that!! ;~) seriously, though, i hope you treat yourself to a nice day and relaxation and pampering. have a truly great one. alison e. in nyc. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > We're all "Over The Moon" about her... > So give it up for her on her birthday, let's hear a > rousing JMDL cheer for.... > > KATE BENNETT!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:17:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifests? - --- Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > TIA, Artheo OK, I give up. What does TIA mean? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:22:54 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: yeah, we're gorgeous >Canadian Kate, who thought Joni looked amazingly young and beautiful >close up (I was surprised) when she met Emil at the Mendel. I felt EXACTLY the same way at the PWWAM taping in '98. I thought she looked great close up. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:31:01 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) (NJC) - --- Nikki Johnson wrote: > Kakki! > It's good to see you back, and that you had a > wonderful time. The pictures > are gorgeous! yes, welcome back ms. martini, and i also enjoyed the pictures. thanks for sharing. i am in for a hawaiian fest, for sure. condo, house, tent on the beach, count me in. > Alison and I were talking about going in NYC yay:-) (to see jonatha) yes, this is one that i won't miss. and if my pal from philly comes up, all the better! jeff and i just got tickets to see shawn colvin at the bottom line (a small club here in nyc). tickets were a bit pricey, but it will be an intimate setting, priceless when it comes to live music! alison e. in nyc. np: christine lavin, "what was i thinking???" Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: least favorite Joni Well, goshdarn, there are so many (ha!) but here are my least fave Joni songs (in no particular order): - - BYT (not because it's a bad song, but only because it has been done, and done, and done, so often and because it seems to be the *only* song people *out there* recognize by Joni) - - Snakes and Ladders - - The Pirate of Penance - - Songs to aging children come - - The fiddle and the drum - - Ladies' Man - - Solid Love - - You Dream Flat Tires - - Man To Man - - The Reoccuring dream Is that enough? ;) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:36:26 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: birthday gal NJC Kate, Wishing you the happiest of Birthdays! May all your wished and dreams come true. Enjoy your day, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: NJC-Shawn Colvin in concert which reminds me, that i should mention the date of the concert, in case anyone else wants to join us. we are seeing shawn colvin at the bottom line on the 22nd of march, a thursday night. she is playing three nights there. anyone interested in meeting up and going together, please let me know. debra shea? rusty? buehler? take care, alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:49:08 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Star Wars - NJC In a message dated 2/26/01 5:57:12 AM, MDESTE1 writes: << one HUGE mistake that Lucas made in the last one "Menace" and that was the storm troopers in the original were not congruent with those in Menace. The technology evolution was all screwed up. The pods in the race in menace were MORE advanced than those in the first episode "Wars" >> Thanks Marcel, I will now have to look again more closely to see if the technologies were supposed to have evolved from the same planetary source. I appreciate the input! (The new guy here remembered to put NJC at the top of this) TIA, Artheo NP - Painting With Words ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:57:32 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs In a message dated 2/26/01 6:13:00 AM, messling@enter.net writes: << That's not "Nothing Can Be Done" she's singing on the PWWAM DVD. It's "Come's Love." "Nothing Can Be Done," which has made some least-favorite lists, was on thalbum "Night Ride Home" and includes the lyrics, "I am not old, I'm told, but I'm not young, and nothing can be done" etc. etc. I agree that her interpretation of "Comes Love" is first rate! >> I can see I have got to sharpen my 'in depth' Joni knowledge if I'm going to play in this group! :-) Thank you Deb for setting me straight. TIA, Artheo NP - PWWAM << (learning the shorthand) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:19:12 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Happy Birthday Kate Bennett!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 2/26/01 9:26:34 AM, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: << HAPPY BIRHDAY KATE! I don't know how old you are, but you don't look a day over 10 years younger than that!! >> I also wish you the happiest, and I agree - you must look fabulous - although I know nothing firsthand about the matter! TIA, Artheo NP - Ray's Dad's Cadillac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:18:44 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Jonatha on Acoustic Cafe! NJC Hey there Jonatha Enthusiasts, Just discovered that JB's Acoustic Cafe performance of recent broadcast has been archived for on-line listening...a must! The show features a good chat about "Steady Pull" and how she got to making this supposidly different sounding departure of a CD, plus the same live set that's been touring Borders. The show is, I'm sure, available from the AC site directly, although I got it through another link called "Michigan Live". ENJOY! - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:14:42 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? In a message dated 2/26/01 9:17:15 AM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << OK, I give up. What does TIA mean >> It is a ancient Inca greeting. Means "health, joy, and fertility". Naw - - actually I stole that from one of my favorite 'seer/sages' of all time - Radar from 'MASH'. He always signed off his camp broadcasts with "That Is All" - TIA. TIA, Artheo NP - 'NRH' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:22:54 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: yeah, we're gorgeous In a message dated 2/26/01 9:43:14 AM, steve@psitech.com writes: << I felt EXACTLY the same way at the PWWAM taping >> WOW!!! I am jealous - TIA, Artheo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:52:33 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: good restaurant music I was sitting in a "Chili's" restaurant and listened to Big Yellow Taxi. Then heard Nik Kershaw's "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and I am thinking I will come back here. It was good for a change to dine to some good tunes. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:27:44 -0800 From: catherine.turley@verizon.net Subject: Re: Crouching Tiger NJC Hi Artheo-- Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > Nice looking movie - but the damned subtitles were totally distracting to > the visual images - and struggling to 'read' the movie while trying to let > myself 'fall' into the imagery finally just left me frustrated. It turned > what should have been an emotional and soulful experience into an > intellectual one. Subtitles didn't bother me a bit--so for me emotional and soulful worked. > << put Ang Lee in charge of the rest of the Star Wars sequels. Just imagine. > >> > Please NO! Ang's made an interesting little Chinese movie, but to try to > compare it with the brilliant layers and textures of the modern mythology > that George Lucas has created called Star Wars is absurd - IMHO. Let Lucas write, let Ang direct. Yeah, Lucas did well with the first three movies--though I must that admit after reading Joseph Campbell all the modern mythology stuff started to feel a little painfully obvious to me. Then Lucas nearly lost me with The Phantom Menace. Looked great, but it was so plodding and soulless and full of itself and its own mythology (and not very good acting, which probably was a result of the whole mythology thing, too). (My subjective reaction, of course--I went to see Phantom twice to be fair because I really, really did want to like it. And my six year old thinks its cool). Of course, its all hypothetical and won't happen, but Ang Lee definitely has the muscle to make the rest of the Star Wars movies something magical again. He's made some a-mazing Chinese movies, as well as excellent Hollywood projects like Sense and Sensibility and The Ice Storm. In my book, Ang's got it going on., Anyway--all MHO, but thanks for sharing yours . .. Regards, Catherine T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:50:15 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Batons/Fanny (NJC) patrick wrote: >they used batons - sp. you know that tamborine / hand drum thing that was >really cool and gave them the celtic feel. Bodhrans, maybe? Pronounced bow-run or bore-on depending on what part of the Emerald Isle you're from. >that's all i can remember and unlike mr. dulson, i never took notes so i >guess i'm lucky to remember that much. I'm lucky to remember what I did yesterday - I *have* to write everything down! :) Ah the joys of old age... Oh, and Kate mentioned Fanny: Fanny Troubadour West Hollywood 10/12/74 4* Susan D. That was my second or third date with Susan Doyle, whom I had met two months before at the Universal Amphitheatre Joni MOA shows. Thanks for reminding me of Fanny - they were a great live band! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:50:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Ang Lee NJC <> Catherine, did you catch the Ang Lee reference in last night's Simpson's? He was in a boyband called the Party Posse, and when they showed the video, it said "directed by: Ang Lee" got a pretty good chuckle on that one. Bob NP: CSNY, "Down By The River" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: VLJC-new member Kammy from Alabamy wrote: > I saw her at Jazzfest in NO(sat in horse poop > all day) was worth it, went to "A Day in the > Garden" by myself (stood up all day on the > front so not to lose the great spot I had) Hey Kammy! Welcome to the JMDL! I was also in NO and at ADITG (my first and second Joni concerts)! How funny that you were up front at ADITG -- a bunch of JMDLers were right there, too! Obviously you were meant to find us, one way or another! : ) It's great to have you here! Lori in DC ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:06:39 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Subtitles - NJC In a message dated 2/26/01 10:29:49 AM, catherine.turley@verizon.net writes: << Subtitles didn't bother me a bit--so for me emotional and soulful worked. >> Hi Catherine - Great! I hear many people say that. As I said - for me it did not work. Maybe I am predisposed to find subtitles distracting? Perhaps this is why. When film making is taught a great deal of time is spent on a concept called "Suspension Of Disbelief". It refers to the art of creating a film that is, in and of itself, not distracting to the viewer's ability to 'fall' into the movie - to be transported into the visual/verbal flow and taken to the 'place' of the movie. Music for example, is an element that can either be distracting or supportive. It's a fine line walked in the creation of a musical score. Although one does 'absorb' music in a manner similar to how one 'absorbs' visual signals and aural dialog - in that one can disconnect the reactive, cognitive, interpretive portion of the brain one uses for example in doing ma th or reading text. However, a poorly paced musical score, or one discordant with the visual imagery - can take you right 'out of the movie' and back into the theater. One important difference between reading, and absorbing whole visual images - is that in reading, one must first see the shapes of numbers, letters, punctuation marks, and other symbols - then interpret their meaning - - then interpret their meaning as a whole. When one sees purely visual or hears purely aural stimulation that is instantly recognizable (dialog in a native tongue), it becomes a more rapid, wholly experiential encounter. The human mind can actually eliminate an entire 'step', if you will, in the chain of interpretation - as compared to reading numbers and text. Studies have been done that bear this theory out. Francis Ford Coppola funded such a study in the 60's, I believe in conjunction with USC. It was found that the 'read & analyze' approach to human emotional response is the longer of the two paths, when compared to the aurally supported path of visual imagery, no matter how quickly one reads and interprets. That is why a visual image of something gruesome or frightening can make you flinch or scream or squirm, much faster, and to a much greater degree than can reading a description of the same occurrence or situation. Reading will never elicit a scream. Also, the emotional reaction to the visual stimulation will have a deeper impact on the psyche and subconscious - and can cause emotional scarring it is so intense. For all of these reasons, and more - in the art of film, subtitles are considered unfortunate, disruptive, sometimes 'necessary evils', but something to be avoided whenever possible - and something I personally find very distracting and diminishing to the potential in depth emotional impact of a film. Imagine CTHD without the subtitles, delivered in a language in which you are fluent, where the 'heard word' would allow you to disconnect the 'number/letter' interpretive portion of your mind, and fully unleash the films powerful images on a 'straightline connection' with your 'knowing' soul. Words are not bad - I love to read - but it is a wholly different and slower emotional ride - not a bad ride - just slower. That is why I was disappointed with CTHD (besides the kung fu stuff) - I knew it could have been a higher, swifter, deeper 'ride' if in my native tongue and without the subtitles. That is why I do not put it on my list of must recommend. But as I said, it is an attractive movie to look at - no doubt about it. What I think might be a beautiful experience would be to eliminate the subtitles, turn off the Chinese dialog track, and orchestrate a soundtrack to overlay the entire movie - rising and falling in its intensity, density, and complexity to match the visual imagery on the screen. That would be spellbinding - IMHO. :-) Man - where in the hell did all that come from? That was a damned sight more than I thought I had to say about a movie - that has nothing to do with Joni!? TIA, Artheo NP - the score of Finding Forrester - Miles Davis / Ornette Coleman / Bill Frisell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: least favorite Joni i didn't want to contribute to this thread, but... one of my least favorite joni songs: blue motel room. currently playing on wfuv: blue motel room. coincidence??? i don't think so. weird... alison e. in nyc other "don't love's": no apologies taming the tiger (the song) p.s. happy birthday johnny cash. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:37:35 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: least favorite Joni I didn't want to contribute to this thread either, but, hey... (titles may be a little off, oops..) Fiddler & The Drum Happiness is the Best Facelift Wolf in Lyndsay No apologies Joni is a miracle of course, but these just lose me and always have... thoughts? M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:39:46 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Joni in Scotland I've just been reading the BBC's report on the recent Madonna Interview interview and how she is quoted as saying she never wanted to repeat herself. Does that ring an MOA bell? I'm not one for getting emotionally nationalistic but hey Leslie (and any other Hielanders out there), she did pay us Scots a braw compliment. Skibo Castle is in the most idyllic setting one could fairy tale imagine. Is there any record of where Joni went in Scotland? I vaguely remember her saying something about heavy drapes and mustiness. That would be around the early time when she was with Larry Klein. Does she have any Scottish ancestry? And I threw my drink - must be the Irish blood. Were there any references ever written about it? Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:42:30 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Joni's Lead Balloons For once and for all, it's good to be able to write the definitive post. The least good of Joni. And this is it. No more to be said. No drum roll - more chicken drumstick. Wooden drumsticks to wooden spoons. The all-time least good - need I say more, D.C and I don't mean Muslims stick up Washington. Secondly, nothing can be done about it now. Turdly, why dream about flat tiring songs to listen to? May the 4th be with you, the self explanatory Lead Balloon. I married Isis on the 5th day sex kills. The list goes on but not much. Snakes and Ladders, Try Another, Shiny Toys, Why Do Fools ......... She waywarded at a time and as I said a few posts ago, if she hadn't done any of her earlier work, I certainly wouldn't listen to let alone have bought WTRF, DED, CMIARS. NRH was a welcome return to form. The Only Joy in Town. I am flabbergasted how people could think Refuge of, Willy, Cold Blue Steel, Jungle, The Arrangement could be deemed as the least. Are you on the right Discussion Line? Get off the line there's a train coming+ACE- :-) Takes all sorts, as the saying goes. Willy Shake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:07:16 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: (no subject) What does NP mean? Is it what we are listening to at the time? Trying to learn the lingo, kammy NP-Ben Harper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:13:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (no subject) NJC Now Playing. Kammass@aol.com wrote: > What does NP mean? Is it what we are listening to at the time? > > > Trying to learn the lingo, > kammy > > NP-Ben Harper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:56:55 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Fanny NJC > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > > > Which band member of Fanny was your friends sister? A couple of years ago I > > went to hear two former members of Fanny, Jean & June Millington- they were > > incredible & I wondered how I had missed them as Fanny years ago, the first > > real rockin all female band that I know of. > First, a very happy birthday wish to you Kate. Girl groups are one of my little weakness' (which may be obvious from my Destiny's Child post). I don't think they were well know in the US but the first successful girl group who played their own instruments were Goldie And The Gingerbreads in the 1960s. They were from the US but had most of their success in England touring with The Rolling Stones and The Kinks. Genya Ravan joined Ten Wheel Drive as singer when the Gingerbreads folded and later made punk records in the 1970's as a solo artist. Goldie And The Gingerbreads website: http://www.genyaravan.com/goldie.html Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:20:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: it's MOI njc i've sent this so many times already!!!! oh mercury retrograde: get off my hair! fortunately mercury goes direct again today. so here i go again. cut & paste. [no, that's not a joni mitchell album]. a couple of days ago i wrote: hello my little ones!!!! what a time this has been. here i am, back in torrid and oppressive buenos aires, argentina after the most glorious visit in vancouver, BC, CANADA. oh canada, what can i say about you that hasn't been said before. i must admit that i was slightly disappointed when i realized that my first visit to canada would take place in its mildest city. i was and still am hungry for the subzero thing. yet, my dear father jack frost -- also known as saturn -- rose to the occasion and gave us unseasonably cold weather and two snow days, much to the Vancouverites' chagrin [but hell, I deserved it]. come all ye fair and tender jmdl girls: what on earth are ya waiting for? up in vancouver there's a guy who's single, handsome, warm and loving. he's not only the most marvelous cook but he is also STRAIGHT! come on now and give mr. stephen epstein a call. my heart breaks to think that such a perfect catch should remain undiscovered. besides, the view from his apartment is breathtaking. and pay no heed when he says that his salmon is overdone cause it ain't! stephen received me in one of the toughest times in my life. call it good vibes, call it shamanism, stephen's ability to make a person feel utterly at ease worked wonders. in less than a week i was getting up at practically the crack of dawn, going to bed WAY BEFORE the crack of dawn and, most importantly, giving up an 18-year addiction to sleeping pills!!!!!! quitting my dear red ones and blue ones was one of my biggest goals for this year, and i thought it would take months of therapy just to muster the courage. however, being in the company of a loving friend in a wonderful environment did it for me. so here i am, and for all i know i've kicked it! among the fabulous gifts that i received in vancouver was meeting stuff-of-legend steve dulson and beautiful michelle, and kate bennet, the singer songwriter with the stunning looks. leave it to a bunch of jmdlers to find one another in a crowded hotel lobby on the eve of a folk music convention! it took about 20 seconds to see the special jonifreak gleam in our eyes. i wish i had been able to hear kate's concert on saturday night, but i was under the effects of the most powerful pot on earth. hear me now: when a vancouverite tells you that you must take one and only one toke, pay attention: they're not bragging as i thought. four innocent tokes put me out like a light! i was high for ... TWENTY F_ING HOURS!!!!! not since the days of acid, believe me... my life as a single man has just begun. it is exhilarating and sad, unbelievably slow and full of vertigo, lonely and loud. every day i take a little step forward. i also cry. it is good to know that our decisions have meaning: i am gradually rediscovering the ability to have faith in what i can't see. i am also trying to be practical and above all patient. i still have to burn completely down to mere ashes before i can rise from them. it is a form of death. no one looks forward to death, only to relief. however, i am here. in due course, i'll be rejoicing in my new incarnation. love, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:40:18 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new list member, Jane njc Hi Jane & welcome to the party! Jane wrote: > Hey y'all > > Another lurker compelled to speak up. Here I am in > Birmingham AL where I cannot recall having met anyone > in the past ten years who loves Joni's music, and in > the space of one day/two digests, out of cyberspace > appear two fellow listers from my town! How cool is > that?! Are there any more out there? We'll have a > mini-Joni fest here at this rate. Something tells me > these stifling suburbs just aren't the place to meet > such kindred spirits... > > I have mostly lurked, but have always enjoyed this > intelligent, witty and knowledgeable group of folks > that make up the JMDL. I enjoy all sorts of music, > and have explored many new (to me) artists suggested > by the eclectic tastes of the JMDL. I am at the > moment trying to get into Jonatha. She's growing on > me, I must admit. In addition, I regularly listen to > Dave Matthews Band, Counting Crows, Jackson Browne, > Shawn Colvin, Martin Sexton, U2, John Gorka, and I > could go on. > > Nice to meet all of you! > > Jane > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:46:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Clinton's a sleaze-for Marcel njc Marcel, since you have complained about people on the left convieniently overlooking Clinton's faults, I will say it- Clinton's a sleaze-- His list of people pardoned was 60% white collar rich folks. The scandals are pouring in- just-ice for $$$ Those of us who wrote or called the white house in vain to ask him to free Leonard Peltier went about it all wrong. We should have taken up a nationwide collection and hired a fancy NY lawyer for $400,000. He'd probably be a free man by now. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:46:07 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs In a message dated 2/26/01 8:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << ---------------------------------- Deb Messling >> are you THE Deb Messling?The one who's going to be on the "Tonight Show" with Jay Leno tonight? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:49:57 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Without a doubt, this is my least favorite thread. It's like talking about a family and discussing which kids are the ugliest or the least likely to succeed. Booo. CC "And the worst are full of passion without mercy." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:07:22 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Clinton's a sleaze-for Marcel njc i was also truly upset by clinton's failure to pardon leonard peltier, as well as mumia. i naively thought they both had a chance. now it's hopeless, for four long years. how depressing. - --- Randy Remote wrote: > His list of people pardoned was 60% white collar > rich folks. > We should have taken up a nationwide collection and > hired > a fancy NY lawyer for $400,000. He'd probably be a > free > man by now. > RR Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifests? - --- Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/01 9:17:15 AM, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > << OK, I give up. What does TIA mean >> > It is a ancient Inca greeting. Means "health, > joy, and fertility". Naw > - actually I stole that from one of my favorite > 'seer/sages' of all time - > Radar from 'MASH'. He always signed off his camp > broadcasts with "That Is > All" - TIA. > TIA, Artheo So glad you cleared THAT one up - TIA also stands for "transient ischemic attack" which is a small stroke, (which is pretty much the opposite of yer ancient Inca greeting). TTFN Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:37:45 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: it's MOI njc In a message dated 2/26/01 3:40:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > i wish i had been able to hear kate's concert on saturday night, > but i was under the effects of the most powerful pot on earth. hear me now: > when a vancouverite tells you that you must take one and only one toke, pay > attention: they're not bragging as i thought. four innocent tokes put me out > like a light! i was high for ... TWENTY F_ING HOURS!!!!! not since the days > of acid, believe me... > Oh, send me some Stephen! LOL > my life as a single man has just begun. it is exhilarating and sad, > unbelievably slow and full of vertigo, lonely and loud. every day i take a > little step forward. i also cry. it is good to know that our decisions have > meaning: i am gradually rediscovering the ability to have faith in what i > can't see. i am also trying to be practical and above all patient. i still > have to burn completely down to mere ashes before i can rise from them. it > is a form of death. no one looks forward to death, only to relief. however, > i am here. in due course, i'll be rejoicing in my new incarnation. > love, > wallyK MOKSHA An enlightened vision perceives time as flux, the flux of development and deterioration, creation and destruction. An enlightened mind conceives time as an expression of the One and All: as Yin and Yang, the dance of Shiva, or death and resurrection. You can enjoy the beauty, balance and justice of your own deterioration, nulling it. Now it is not a deterioration; it is a function of the universe, God's inhaling. (at the moment of enlightenment there is no flux at all, only timelessness) Have a glass of wine before bed instead of those damn pills. Don't look back now. Much Love Rose > > > > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #96 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?