From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #95 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 095 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hi - I'm new [Michael Paz ] re: Another Joni mention on Letterman ["c Karma" ] FW: Least Favorite Joni Songs (md) [Michael Paz ] Brits at Jonifests [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: Joni songbook (piano music) [Randy Remote ] Fanny NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] least favorite joni songs ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: Joni and Madonna ["Kakki" ] Re: Hi - I'm new - NJC ["Kakki" ] Jonatha in L.A. today (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Brits at Jonifests ["Kakki" ] Re: George Harrison's Birthday!!! Feb. 25th NJC CDNOW sale [Catherine McK] RE: Jonatha in L.A. today (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Crouching Tiger NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [dsk ] Re: least favorite -- Help Me???? ["Louis Lynch" ] how ya doin ["Thom Byrd" ] Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) ["Kakki" ] ??????? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:47:52 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi - I'm new Artheo- Welcome to the list! Feel free to sahre some of your original poems here as we love original work (or direct us to your site if you have one). Also consider a Joni Gathering sometime (see the jmdl site/jonifests) it will do wonders to get you back playing and singing again. Peace Michael on 2/25/01 11:24 AM, Artheobeat@aol.com at Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > Greetings gang: > > I am new to your list. Glad to be here, I hope. > > BACKGROUND: > I am a self-published poet and a recorded musician. My sporadic touring days > were from '64 through '82. I still write (my soul release). Haven't played > guitar since I severely damaged my hand in a motorcycle accident years ago > (my great regret). Seldom sing publicly anymore - though constantly > privately (my personal sanity maintenance). Graduated college in '69. Now > live in Eugene, OR. (No, I'm not a retired 'Prankster') I have an eclectic > taste in music, literature, and art. I've admired Joni since the release of > her 'Songs to a Seagull'. Still do! TIA, Artheo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:49:21 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Another Joni mention on Letterman I think Dave's Joni quips are seeming too deliberately layered to be completely spontaneous. "Skier in a snowbank" (or whatever it was) sounds like "Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm" to me, either way it's a wipeout! Either Dave himself one of his writers is a deep fan. I was at the Letterman taping where Joni sang, "At Last" and while Dave was effusive about Joni's terrific performance and the great orchestral sound he certainly maintained a professional perspective as he aimed his compliments. Of course, in the Ed Sullivan Theatre, he is THE MAN and could never become the slobbering fan I have, at least on camera. CC "The best lack conviction given some time to think. And the worst are full of passion without mercy." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:52:55 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: FW: Least Favorite Joni Songs (md) Marcel- I just loved reading your review of the Topsfield party. Hope fully this year you will actually participate in the flesh istead of your usual fone sex call or the cyber thing. As to my taste in music, it's good of you to not browbeat me for having the following in my collection: The Monkees, Michael Jackson and The J5 as well. Thanks again for the kind words about the music and looking forward to playing Chinese Cafe with you LIVE someday. Michael NP-The Space Between-DMB on video tape >I love the song No Apologies. The pedal steel track is worth the price of >admission. The subject seemingly being the treatment of the Japanese in their >WW2 internment camps although with the reference to the "hookers" the >reference may be to the use of comfort women BY the Japanese so maybe Joni >was mixing things together here. Anyway the melody is haunting and I like it. >It frequently makes others (including Michael Paz's whose musical taste is >impeccable) least favorite list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:53:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs I forgot about Otis and Marlena and The Tenth World. I guess I do have 5 after all. But I am looking forward to liking them in the future when i grow up. Welcome Home Harper Lou!!! on 2/25/01 9:11 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hey, welcome back Harper Lou!!! > > The Joni songs I could do without... > > 1. Dancing Clown (the only real embarrassment in her ouvre) > > 2. Smokin' (Empty, try another) but there's potential here if it had been > fleshed out - I LOVE the Flea-style bass work! > > 3. The Tenth World - Loses me after about 3 minutes, probably just my bad for > being in the "land of short attention spans"... > > Bob > > NP: Jeff Buckley, "People's Parties" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:39:20 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Brits at Jonifests MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: There's some real tallent in our midst. My personal dream is to actually get all the primo players from around the world who are listmembers to one grand fest. But alas that's still a dream. For instance [nudge nudge] prying the Brits away from the dreary foggy wet climate they need to survive for instance will be no easy task. Well it sure is foggy and wet a lot of the time here in the UK. And dreary too! Nevertheless, this sounds like a challenge! If we managed to find our way across the Big Pond armed only with guitars and toothbrushes, could you guys line up some places to play where we could beg, steal, borrow amps, drums, p.a? (Oh, and somewhere to sleep?) Can we help turn M's dream into reality? Much love to all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:41:48 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni songbook (piano music) The original "For The Roses" book's piano parts were pretty accurate, weren't they? Howard wrote: > Hi Allison, > > As far as I know, there are no songbooks that are intended to be > "accurate" piano transcriptions of Joni's stuff. As you probably know, > most of the Piano/Vocal/Guitar songbooks have piano arrangements of the > tunes, but these are not the piano parts as played by Joni - they have > the vocal melody added to the piano right-hand part, and the parts are > usually simplified a little. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:48:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Fanny NJC Craig said, "Dave's sister used to play in a band called "Fanny" and she turned me on to Joni and Steely Dan" Which band member of Fanny was your friends sister? A couple of years ago I went to hear two former members of Fanny, Jean & June Millington- they were incredible & I wondered how I had missed them as Fanny years ago, the first real rockin all female band that I know of. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:46:38 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: least favorite joni songs Putting least/favorite/Joni all in one breath is an oxymoron to me. If I listen to any of it enough, I Iearn to enjoy it. At first, I just could not warm up to some of the lesser known Taming the Tiger songs (excluding Facelift and Love Puts on ...) so I only listened to IT for awhile, and BY GOSH, I began to love Harlem, Mars, Apologies, and really even like Lead Balloon- like a Lead Lead Balloon, sic her rover.. that went over .....like a lead balloon. Probably how this post will too. There's value in it all. I can hardly believe someone listed Refuge of the Roads- to me it is pure beauty in melody and lyrics- possibly one of my all time faves....And Yvette in English????? Give David Crosby's version a try. Both lovely to me. What can I say? I am blinded by the muse. Janine Sherman@netrax.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:32:59 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Madonna Randy wrote: > You're right, in fact Madonna has won 5 of them. > 1998 was her big year; "Ray of Light" took best pop >album, best dance recording, and best short form video. > In 1998 she won best song written for a motion picture >for "Beautiful Stranger", and in 1984 she got best long >form video for the "Blonde Ambition Tour" Thanks Randy - I also thought for sure she'd received a bunch for Ray of Light. "Beautiful Stranger" is by far and away my favorite song of Madonna's - love that 60s English beat style of it. So if she's won as many as Joni and has like a 10 zillion dollar net worth, I really don't feel sorry for her pouting at this year's loss! Harrumph! ;-) Kakki NP: Jonatha Brooke - Walking ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:34:08 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hi - I'm new - NJC Welcome Artheo! We have a lot of great Joni listers in the Pacific Northwest - hope you all can hook up. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:42:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Jonatha in L.A. today (NJC) Nikki wrote: > Have fun seeing Jonatha, she is a sweetie. I can't wait >til she does her larger tour, cause 4 songs just wasn't >enough for me!(call me greedy...lol) > Alison and I were talking about going in NYC yay:-) Lindsay and I met up today at Borders to see her. We were really surprised that so many people showed up - it's extremely stormy and COLD here this weekend. There were probably about 150 people at the store and even JB seemed a bit surprised and very gratified that so many made the trek. She signed CDs for just about every single person and spent time chatting with and signing multiple mementos for each. We had to wait about 45 minutes to get to her and she was very sweet. She only played about 4-5 songs here, too, but was as great and lively as usual. She said she will be playing a real concert with full band in L.A. on March 30th at the El Rey Theater. When Phyliss and I saw her last year she previewed some of the new songs and we thought they were great. I'm listening to the new album and I really, really like it. There are so many chords and melodies similiar to Joni in her music. At Borders they are selling the version with the 3 bonus tracks - the CD wrapper has a sticker saying this version is a "Borders Exclusive." Hope you and Alison get to see her. She seems like a great person. Kakki NP: Jonatha - Out Of Your Mind ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:01:18 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs > Here's my dog list: > > The Arrangement > The Circle Game > Help Me (indeed) > The Windfall One of my favorite vocalizings of Joni's is from "The Arrangement", the line "keeping the wheels turning." Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:53:27 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Brits at Jonifests > Well it sure is foggy and wet a lot of the time here in the UK. And dreary > too! Nevertheless, this sounds like a challenge! If we managed to find our > way across the Big Pond armed only with guitars and toothbrushes, could you > guys line up some places to play where we could beg, steal, borrow amps, > drums, p.a? (Oh, and somewhere to sleep?) Can we help turn M's dream into > reality? Oh Clive, no problem - there are always LOTS of amps, p.a.'s, mics, guitars, keyboards and extra instruments and places to sleep at Ashara's! Chuck E and Paz always ensure there is lots of equipment and I think they were looking into getting a drum set last year in case Terry M made it there. We really need to get more of the across the Pond group over here! Marian from Vienna and John Van Tiel have faithfully attended almost every Fest. Hopefully you and some of the others can come over! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: George Harrison's Birthday!!! Feb. 25th NJC CDNOW sale - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: >> > I purchased it through JM.com CDNow. When I went to > Sam Goody's it was 24.00 > versus the 18.00 I paid for it. Even with the tax > and shipping, I still came > out ahead. Right now CDNow is having a sale on any > Grammy I saw it the other day for $37 or $39 CDN - bloody hell! I know there's the exchange rate, but $US18 should be about $CDN25. > Catherine my daughter Corinne's birthday was the > 22nd. > Well,you wish her a happy belated BDay from me - my baby is now 14. I took her out today, sans petit frere, who got to stay with Dad, and bought her a whole buncha stuff - why not? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:05:24 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Jonatha in L.A. today (NJC) Kakki, Yeah I was really surprised there were sooooo many people here too. So many that I missed most of the show trying to park...lol! It sounds like it was very similar to when I went, I'm glad you got a chance to see her. Yes there are some songs of hers that remind me so much of Joni. There is a song called Always that the 1st time I heard it I said...oh wow...that could have been written by Joni, the strumming and the chord progression were so reminiscent of her songs. Hear that Alison, we need to go in NYC! Love Nikki np: my interview with my professor on having a minority status "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:43 PM > To: Nikki Johnson; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Jonatha in L.A. today (NJC) > > > Nikki wrote: > > > Have fun seeing Jonatha, she is a sweetie. I can't wait >til > she does her > larger tour, cause 4 songs just wasn't >enough for me!(call me > greedy...lol) > > Alison and I were talking about going in NYC yay:-) > > Lindsay and I met up today at Borders to see her. We were really > surprised > that so many people showed up - it's extremely stormy and COLD here this > weekend. There were probably about 150 people at the store and even JB > seemed a bit surprised and very gratified that so many made the trek. She > signed CDs for just about every single person and spent time chatting with > and signing multiple mementos for each. We had to wait about 45 > minutes to > get to her and she was very sweet. She only played about 4-5 songs here, > too, but was as great and lively as usual. She said she will be playing a > real concert with full band in L.A. on March 30th at the El Rey Theater. > > When Phyliss and I saw her last year she previewed some of the > new songs and > we thought they were great. I'm listening to the new album and I really, > really like it. There are so many chords and melodies similiar to Joni in > her music. At Borders they are selling the version with the 3 > bonus tracks - > the CD wrapper has a sticker saying this version is a "Borders Exclusive." > > Hope you and Alison get to see her. She seems like a great person. > > Kakki > > NP: Jonatha - Out Of Your Mind ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:53:30 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Crouching Tiger NJC If you haven't seen 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' yet by all means turn off your computer and go to the movies now. I haven't had that much fun at the movies since I saw 'Star Wars' for the first time! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:48:26 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Hi Deb, I agree with you wholeheartedly on Refuge of the Roads. The sound is sublime and it's a perfect "wrapping up the journey" song. There are days when I use the "heart and humor and humility" advice too, along with Joni. The way the music dips into that phrase is so soothing. As for *your* dog list... oh let me try to rescue a couple of these: The Arrangement, a dog? My appreciation for this song is mostly nostalgia rather than wanting to listen to it every day because long ago it helped me answer my BIG question of "How Do I Live My Life?" Joni's song crystallized what I did not want so I kept that in mind and leaned into the non-materialistic, arrangement-free, always looking for spirit-nourishing experiences, direction that was pulling me. Very simplistic then and now, and I'm still living that way. And that portentous piano buildup... you just know something important's coming. And Joni sounds SO sincere singing this song; it's kind of like she's wailing... well, she IS trying to save someone's soul. And I love Heeeeellp Me! It so perfectly describes the pleasures and perils and insecurities of falling in love, and I love the way she sings it too, all breathy and sounding a little nutty when she squeaks high just like someone falling in love can sound. And the guitar strumming at the beginning is like a fast heartbeat... again, one of those falling in love symptoms. The only least favorite song I can think of is Talk to Me because I always want to tell Joni to get herself out of there and find someone who DOES want to talk to her. Lose that mysterious silent type that's supposed to be so appealing; and I hate that chicken squawking thing she does; really, girl, what are ya thinkin' about yourself there? Recently, though, I listened to DJRD and heard Talk to Me again and I thought, hmm, not a bad sound. Guess I'm easy some days where Joni's concerned. Debra Shea NP: Eva Cassidy, Songbird, "Fields of Gold" over and over. Finally, I found this cd and it really is as beautiful as everyone on the list said it is. Time After Time is great too. What an amazing voice! Deb Messling wrote: > The quickest way to generate action on a slow JMDL day is to start one of > these "least favorite" threads. Everyone's sure to come to the defense of > some of the songs on the dog list. The achingly beautiful Refuge of the > Roads, a least favorite? It breaks my heart! > > Here's my dog list: > > The Arrangement > The Circle Game > Help Me (indeed) > The Windfall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:04:31 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Re: least favorite -- Help Me???? Hi everybody again, Everyone's entitled to a least favorite to call one's own, and I usually agree with Deb Messling, but I really really like "Help Me." It's a peppy love song. Joni's voice sounds so sweet, oh it thrilled me when I first heard it on the radio. It brought Joni's music to a great many folk, too, so it did good for Joni. It's a perfect pop song. And, there's nothing wrong with writing a perfect pop song, for any composer of any era. It sounds wild on the harp. And it's great for coffeehouse gigs. Oh, and it rhymes so well, too. Has anyone seen "O Brother Where Art Thou" (or maybe I missed out on a thread)? I saw it this weekend, and recommend it. It's a must-see for any musician, hallelujah! Speaking of "Help Me," Joni has a penchant for lifting folk expressions or lines, like the lady with the hole in her stocking from "Buffalo Girls" or her references to wildwood flowers and such. Does anyone know what that lyric incorporation is called? Let's all just pack up and go visit Michael in New Orleans for Mardi Gras! Hey, Michael, have space for 626 or so guests? See you Monday night! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:11:40 -0800 From: catherine.turley@verizon.net Subject: Re: Crouching Tiger NJC Oh Amen, Rev! See this movie. Beautiful, blissful, epic, exciting. And Chow Yun Fat (Mmmmmmmm). Funny you should mention Star Wars, because my husband's first comment after the credits rolled was to say that George Lucas ought to park it on the porch and put Ang Lee in charge of the rest of the Star Wars sequels. Just imagine. Catherine T. now in Greater Seattle Vince Lavieri wrote: > If you haven't seen 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' yet by all means > turn off your computer and go to the movies now. > > I haven't had that much fun at the movies since I saw 'Star Wars' for > the first time! > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:25:02 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) Kakki wrote: > Hell and Paz - a tropical Jonifest is very doable. I did some research and > there are lots of very inexpensive condo and house rentals near all the > beaches featured in the "album." Which one shall we pick? And when do we > leave? ;-) Well, next year would be better in terms of finance, and I think a house would be better than a condo - the neighbours wouldn't be quite so close! But if this does eventuate, I'll be making every effort to attend, since it will probably cost me 1/2 as much as the mainland US. Of course, it will cost everyone else double or triple, but it would be a small price to pay for my happiness, don't you think ;o) ?! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:38:24 -0500 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: how ya doin hello group, I am more of a drawer than a writer *I would be interested in if any of you know of any good sources for pics of Joni* to use in composing a portrait of the muse* (*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:24:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) Hell pondered: > Well, next year would be better in terms of finance, and I think a house > would be better than a condo - the neighbours wouldn't be quite so close! > But if this does eventuate, I'll be making every effort to attend, since it > will probably cost me 1/2 as much as the mainland US. Of course, it will > cost everyone else double or triple, but it would be a small price to pay > for my happiness, don't you think ;o) ?! I was just writing to a couple others about this ;-) We're thinking maybe sometime next (Northern Hemisphere) winter when people are craving the sun. If you plan it right, Hawaii is pretty inexpensive to fly to from just about anywhere in the U.S. and Canada. I've made a new vow to go at least once a year like I used to do. A house would be great, but there are also some condo buildings on the beach where you can rent out practically the whole place ;-) very cheaply so more people can be accomodated and we needn't worry about bothering anyone. It also might be attractive for those who want to bring along the family or significant others (and help sweeten the idea of going away to a jmdl gathering ;-D I guarantee it would be a fantastic place for us to get together. Kakki NP: Summer Dreaming - Cecilio and Kapono ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Subject: new list member, Kammy Hey y'all Another lurker compelled to speak up. Here I am in Birmingham AL where I cannot recall having met anyone in the past ten years who loves Joni's music, and in the space of one day/two digests, out of cyberspace appear two fellow listers from my town! How cool is that?! Are there any more out there? We'll have a mini-Joni fest here at this rate. Something tells me these stifling suburbs just aren't the place to meet such kindred spirits... I have mostly lurked, but have always enjoyed this intelligent, witty and knowledgeable group of folks that make up the JMDL. I enjoy all sorts of music, and have explored many new (to me) artists suggested by the eclectic tastes of the JMDL. I am at the moment trying to get into Jonatha. She's growing on me, I must admit. In addition, I regularly listen to Dave Matthews Band, Counting Crows, Jackson Browne, Shawn Colvin, Martin Sexton, U2, John Gorka, and I could go on. Nice to meet all of you! Jane Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:02:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: ??????? njc folks, are my messages posting at all????!!!!! i've sent a bunch, but they haven't shown on my screen. incidentally, i mistakenly sent my previous test post to artheo. sorry artheo! wallyK ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #95 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?