From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 094 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Heads up for Cdn listers! [susan+rick ] Re: VLJC-new member ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Marcel's Fearless Review of the Asharafest 2000 CD Set [MDESTE1@aol.com] TOTP2 bsn/grammies ["Clive Brothers" ] Re: radiohead creep - njc [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: George Harrison's Birthday!!! Feb. 25th NJC CDNOW sale [RoseMJoy@aol.] Joni and Madonna [James Leahy ] Re: radiohead creep - njc [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: COLTRANE VRS DESTINY'S CHILD [philipf@tinet.ie] Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Louis Lynch" ] Covers # 14 Lotto is history [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: just checking to see how this thing works* NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: new JMDLer, Kammy [Cindy09876@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [TreyCozy@aol.com] River and Last Time I Saw Richard ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: Eminem, etc...NJC +SJC ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Joni and Madonna ["Kakki" ] Hi - I'm new [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #89(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Joni songbook (piano music) [Howard ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Marcel's Fearless Review of the Asharafest 2000 CD Set [dsk ] RE: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Hi - I'm new NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Cool story about a Joni cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:02:19 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Heads up for Cdn listers! On 2/22/01 8:34 PM, Stephen Epstein wrote > For we Canadian listers and those close to the border, the CBC has a > pre-Juno Award show this Sun nite @8:00p.m. called Tower of Sound. One of > the featured artists is Joni. > All I know! \ The show is called Tower of Song, after a Leonard Cohen song. The one tv commercial I saw had vintage clips of Joni and Neil Young and Cohen (not together) along with a few lesser lights in Canadian music history. I will be watching and taping (despite the fact that X-Files is a "mythology" episode) and I hope it turns out good enough to become part of a video tree down the line. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:20:53 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: VLJC-new member Hi Kammy, I'll be happy to make a copy of the Joni Video Trees if you like. (The play lists are on www.jmdl.com/trading .) There are 8 hours worth of stuff at present. Just send me an email (off-list) and I'll send you instructions. Also available for blanks and postage is "An All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell", produced last year by the TNT cable TV people. Someone can probably make a CD-R for you of the songs from this show. (Post a request.) There's a special audience recording of the TNT festivities (made by our Archivist Simon) available from me on cassette. If you like audio cassettes, I can make very low generation cassettes for you of the Joni Audio trees, including the "A Day In The Garden" show, and scads of interiews. There are 8 volumes, usually on several tapes each. There's a concert with James Taylor that every Joni fan should have. If you're like many of us, you have to have it all. BTW, on www.jonimitchell.com , a JMDLer named Sue McNamara has enlargements for sale of Joni at that show. She was obviously enjoying herself that day. Reminder: A video concert called "Painting With Words and Music" is generally available for sale on VHS and DVD and is not available as a tree. Joni has carefully made 21 audio titles; all of them are in print. I repeat- every single official recording the woman has made is *STILL* available! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:35:49 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Marcel's Fearless Review of the Asharafest 2000 CD Set If you have never gone to a Jonifest you have missed something. If you have never gone to one you OWE yourself a Jonifest Trip if you are a fan of Joni Mitchell or enjoy the daily trip to the JMDL Cafe and Discussion List. They are all different once they get going. This last one experienced inclement weather which 86'd the party from Ashara's house; but in a testament to the party chops of perhaps the greatest hostess of all time in the universe (Ashara), the actual concert of the musicians that is conducted during the fest still went on without a major hitch because The Big A had the forsight to line up an alternative venue at a local church hall. These first fest concerts started with the musicians playing, sitting on the floor in the den, but have now graduated to stage like venues either in Ashara's backyard or in the case of New Orleans a real night club. On the other hand the front room sing along still happens because it is inevitable. Listers are nothing if not all music sluts; and singing salad makers, crooning shrimp barBQers, and three part harmony table settings are not uncommon. A performance can erupt at any moment and frequently does. You can be sipping a martini in the living room and all of a sudden someone is playing guitar behind you and singing to a crowd. Having said all this I must say that my obtaining the CD's that are made from the music that is taped at the fests is something I love very much to do because having met a number of the listers in New Orleans its like being with them again. Also because the music itself is so unpredictable and often very very good. There's some real tallent in our midst. My personal dream is to actually get all the primo players from around the world who are listmembers to one grand fest. But alas that's still a dream. For instance [nudge nudge] prying the Brits away from the dreary foggy wet climate they need to survive for instance will be no easy task. I dont think any fest has actually had a Brit attend although John Van Tiel, in the tradition of his perhaps (Pre Britain invasion) Viking ancestors always manages to perform his Lief Ericsson imitation and traverses the pond, and he has been to all of them. Bravo John. Anyway, I kept bugging Bob Mueller who has absolutely nothing to do with his time and harrassed him until he finally sent me a set copy which was four CDs and for the last two weeks Ive been listening to it in my car and so I decided to provide a little review of the music that made it to CD from the last years Toppsfield event. First of all, with the exception of only a couple glitches, the sound is really good. Whoever was responsible for the production is to be complimented. Great Job. Rumor has it that it was Chuck E who, when hes not in love, is a real musician with a band. Somehow (said Marcel stomping his foot) Chuck's music itself is scarcely on the set (audience sound of awwwwing). I actually looked forward to hearing the Santana-lounge version of Rainy Night House but I do have that on a prior fest set. In any event what follows is a sort of condensed version of the music on the 4 CD set. I must confess one thing however and that is Im never quite sure whether the song being played is an original composed by the player or whether its a song by a band or artist Im unfamiliar with. I hope in the future that the players do more identifying of their numbers so the attribution makes it to the CDs. I also think its time for a session dedicated to originals only from the indigeneous songwriters. I say this only because I like so much to hear the fresh interpretations of Jonis music by those who love her yet theres alot of interesting originals penned by the listers who play. Bob Mueller MC extraordinaire introduces the first performer. The man is absolutely created by God to be an MC. His voice conjures up images of a guy resplendent in a tuxedo even though I know it was jeans and a hawaiian shirt. He is the only person I know who was literally born unto this earth with a pair of headphones on which caused the delivery room nurse to contact the local news outlet. In any event Bob just makes the tape sound official. He later would grace us with his first ever actual performance. Hey its always really difficult to be the first on at anything like this. Anne Sandstrom: Anne is the closest thing to a real folksinger on the set. She sings about images and places and scenes and her voice reminds me alot of Buffy St.Marie. I think her song about The Undeground is one of the most haunting songs Ive heard in some time. It got the supreme compliment which was three consecutive replays during my morning drive through downtown SF. In fact that song and the urban landscape are made for each other. A real MTV experience. Jenny Goodspeed: Jenny (who Ive never had the pleasure of meeting) pulled a Streisand and announce how nervous she was and then sings like she isnt nervous at all. I especially liked her song The Ocean I believe an original song she wrote. Check it out. John Van Tiel: It isnt every day that you actually get to hear a song whispered in Dutch. Unless of course you have a short wave radio. But heres a guy who not only has the baddest collection of chocolates in the universe and whips them on the attendees just before meal time but can actually perform a song in Dutch language. Of course he IS Dutch which gives him an advantage.While doing a number like this tends to suppress the urge everyone has to sing along it was great to hear it. John whispers his songs extreemly well. He also (I think) composed a song about Tofu that is a must listen. Hillarious. Just a great spoof. Its also a song on which he allegedly tries to get Jimmy Stewart from Fort Myers up on the stage to sing the refrain. Now THAT is a rare happenstance. If you listen carefully there is a rustling sound in the background of this song that is Jimmy deperately trying to leap off the stage but the other listeners are holding him on the stage. Claudia San Soucie: The Sweetheart of the Rodeo. Excellent songwriter as her set demonstrates. Excellent voice and guitar as well. I particularly like two of her originals on the CD, Wild in the Fire and Spell of Memories. She has the song Conversation down cold as with her strumming she creates this natural percussion sound along with the melody that seems to be right out of Jonis Open Tuning University Masters Program. Claudia does a reprise set at Atty Maes on disk 4 as well so you get to hear her twice. Bob Mueller: This guys enthusiasm has not been witnessed in any medium since Linda Lovelace got her chance in feature films. He may not be Luciano Pavrotti but in the case of Bob he would still be on his feet singing long after the Pav was slouched in the corner exhausted. And that is a very beautiful thing. Now I expected Bob to take a shot at something real like Both Sides Now or Circle Game but noooooooo. he goes for one of the most difficult Joni songs ever in Furry Sings the Blues. Talk about balls. AND he pulls it off even though the VG-8 (ahem) didnt provide the right key for him to sing in. Theres a faint sound of people in the background off the stage going "Isnt it button 335bx as opposed to the inverted 427zw that's Bob's octave?" . And does he then do a normal song for his second number. Nah. He does another toughie in Amelia. Tip o' the Kakki martini on your performance Bob. Leslie Mixon: Leslie is like the Founding Mother of the orginal Joni website JM.com and was a personal close friend of its founder Wally Breese so she always brings that spirit with her. She has a very very good voice and does some great Laura Nyro style singing. Her hubby Steve is a wonderful mandolin and multiple instrument player. I love at least two of the songs Leslie did in her set. Nyro's 'Sweet Blindness' and Judgement of the Moon and Stars. I also liked the Mixon duo version of Girl From the North Country with Steves mandolinistics providing some great accompanyment. Victor Johnson: Victor is a one of a kind personality. It is not uncommon to see Victor confidently play melodies on a Kazackstanian Uzbak even though hes never seen one before. He is the only listmember who could TRY to do Paprika Plains all by himself. Post event listmembers comments on JMDL frequently say things like "It was interesting being seranaded by Victor while we toasted our english mufffins in Asharas kitchen as the sun came up". His original songs are on the eclectic side but he has an excellent voice and in fact I know of no one who comes close to his Neil Young imitations except Neil himself who wishes he had Victors voice instead of that sandpaper whine God gave him. Did a super backing on piano for Leslie Mixon on Judgement of the Moon and Stars as well. Big time hats off to your keyboards Victor. He led the group in a really fun version of Angel from Montgomery with Steve Mixon doing some great mandolin. Theres also some great harmonies going on which sound like Claudia and Leslie. Ashara Stansfield: While she only performs one song on the CD I must say that her rendition of Fields of Gold really touches my soul and I cant explain why. Theres something about songs that come from the vocal chords while others come from deep in the soul itself and on that song she really does it. She will probably think her voice is rusty but when you can sing from the soul as Ashara does it really doesnt matter. Michael Paz. Hot off his stunning victory in the Stephen Segal look alike competition with a radio voice that makes Barry White take notice, and one of the most accomplished musicians and studio technicians on the entire list, founding sage emeritus of the JMDL VG-8 Society, and a general all around cool guy. Michael is an excellent keyboard played as well as guitar and VG-8. Paz fearlessly jumps on songs where other list members fear to tread. Fortunately he discovered the VG-8 so he can do all this with one finger. He provides some cool Pazzed-up piano versions of Coyote and Man from Mars in his first set. Wally Kairez: I call him Wally the Wonder. Wally K is the modern art version of Joni covers. He is to music what Gaudi is to architecture. As if hearing a song in Dutch wasnt enough Wally does one in Latin that had all the rare species of birds in the neighborhood looking furtively for the mate that was calling them from this church hall. Talk about avant garde; Wally's simply off the charts. He truly got me with his version of Coyote and I mean that. He invents things Van Morrison-like as he goes along and i cant explain how it works but it does. I just loved it. At first listen when you may be expecting something conventional his style can take you totally aback but even though my personal taste is definitely silky harmonies and strong melodies after a few listens it really grew on me. He takes Coyote to places where its never been taken before. Slow and with real imagination, on an instrument hes never played before (the VG-8) and actually ends it with the a stanza from the American Star Spangled Banner. Woah. Prior to Wally doing this song I had no idea that the Coyote in the song could be bisexual but in Wallys version he is as "he leaves his woman and screams "Walllyyyyy". Top that. He follows that with an out of the envelope improv jazz bass version of Dry Cleaners from DesMoines of which Im not sure how much of the original song survived but who cares because he adds his own touches both vocally and lyrically and its amazing to me. Wally goes deep into the wilderness but he always emerges alive if not totally victorious. Wally is the pure spirit of fearlessness. Ya gotta love it. Isnt that what Joni is really about in her career, risk. Disc 4 is the now annual Listmembers concert at Atty Maes. Every yerar after the Ashara phase the entire group migrates to this local watering hole and they take over the place. Victor does the version of Angel From Montgomery I mentioned before. Claudia does another set including a reprise of Conversation. Paz makes another appearance including a song he does that I love, Jonis "Love Puts on a new face", (which after my kidding about his Stephen Segal looks he probably wants to do exactly that, or tear mine off). Before that he does Just Like This Train. These two songs are so exquisitely done with the playing so fine and the VG-8 (for all my jokes about it) is used so well by Michael it really reminded me again of what a good musician he is and what a treat it is to hear the songs played exactly how Joni plays them. Then he leads the group in a neet version of Pure Prairie Leagues, Aime, which if nothing else demonstrates Bob Muellers nickname "Iron Man'" . As they say in commercials theres all this and much much more. Someday Im going to put together a CD of the very best from all the Jonifests that i have. I always have one in my car CD. Theres nothing quite like them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:31:48 -0000 From: "Clive Brothers" Subject: TOTP2 bsn/grammies A big thank u to whoever tipped us off to watch Joni on TOTP2.It was a recording from Oct 1970 for the BBC.She looked radiant,if a little nervous.She almost missed a couple of notes - but who cares.I found out from the same show that BBC1 was showing the Grammies last night.Joni came on with Santana around 12.40 U.K. time. What a treat to see her then and now so neatly juxtapositioned,she really did look like a grand dame.I saw Madonna gazing up in admiration as Joni prepared to present U2's award.It's so great that she's getting real peer group recognition, at least in the U.S. How can the same thing ever be achieved in the U.K.? CBros _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:09:01 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: radiohead creep - njc In a message dated 2/24/01 5:18:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Wow, I thought I was the only one who'd ever heard of Horselips - ha! >> i liked horselips and i have that same album, the tain. but i unfortunately have no way to play it anymore so it just sits there with a bunch of vintage stuff from the 70's. what i remember most about that concert was the crowd. it was outdoor in dublin. and it was my first time out of the usa. i was maybe 15 or 16. and irish kids scared the hell out of me. with a name like patrick mcfadden, i don't know what i was so scared of then, but i was young. i remember some rough looking boys in the crowd with bottles and my friends called them...cider drinkers. they said to stay away from them in the parks cause they'll rob you. then there was fight which started with a head butt and i realized how quickly an irish kid could throw a head butt. i too was in the throws of jethro tull at that point and i thought they were like an electric form of jethro tull. they definately had a celtic ring to them but they were much more electric. which reminds me that the hottest band going at that time in ireland was thin lizzy and horselips live was like thin lizzy doing jethro tull. and these guys i was friends with would yell out loud......play some 'tin lizzy' they used batons - sp. you know that tamborine / hand drum thing that was really cool and gave them the celtic feel. that's all i can remember and unlike mr. dulson, i never took notes so i guess i'm lucky to remember that much. patrick np. computer fan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:43:13 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: George Harrison's Birthday!!! Feb. 25th NJC CDNOW sale In a message dated 2/24/01 11:00:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << George was always my favourite too, and "All things must pass" one of my favourite albums. And George shares a birthday with my beautiful daughter Sarah Madeline, who will be 14 in about an hour from now (actually 3-1/2 hrs - she was born at 2:30 a.m.) >> I purchased it through JM.com CDNow. When I went to Sam Goody's it was 24.00 versus the 18.00 I paid for it. Even with the tax and shipping, I still came out ahead. Right now CDNow is having a sale on any Grammy nominees' albums, you get 'em 2 for 22.00. Not a bad deal and JM.com will benefit too. but the sales is over Feb. 26th. So hurry now but please link up to them thru JM.com! Catherine my daughter Corinne's birthday was the 22nd. - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:50:35 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni and Madonna Did you notice the expression on Madonna's face whenever her category was announced? She was always caught "chatting" with her husband and looking bored. When Joni read her name, Madonna, in her usual studied way, adopted an annoyed expression, as if this blond woman on stage were interrupting her little chat. God, if I were nominated for a Grammy award and the Mother of Us All was reading my name, I think I would pay attention! Despite her newfound "spiritualism," her babies, and her maternal bliss, Madonna still comes across like a cheap, suburban, disaffected mall rat. I hear Madonna was so pissed about losing in all her categories she left the auditorium in a snit and skipped the Warners party altogether. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:11:01 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: radiohead creep - njc Kakki wrote: > > Wow, I thought I was the only one who'd ever heard of Horselips - ha! Still > have The Tain on vinyl and played it to death in college. Friends perusing > my record collection used to always say "what the hell is this??" I was > deep into my Jethro Tull phase at the time, and there was something about > that album that I reveled in. How were they live in concert? I'll have to > dig it out and give it a spin. That's so funny. I know we're a diverse bunch of music sluts but I never expected to see a thread about Horslips. I've seen them live more times than I want to remember. The used to gig constantly in every dancehall around the country. I know one of them slightly through work, next time I see him I'll get you an autograph. :) They won a legal battle lately to get control of their old recordings and it's all coming out again on cd. yikes. Philip np Outkast - Ms Jackson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:18:58 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: COLTRANE VRS DESTINY'S CHILD Dave wrote: > You can't be serious.... well maybe you are, Serious yes, but I try to keep a sense of humour. > It's not about "old" music being better, it's about a lack of respect for > history and tradition. > Destiny's Child wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the pioneers of R+B, > but it seems like this generation of "artists", {used very liberally}, have > no clue about from whence they came. Dave, quit making stuff up. I had a quick look at Destiny's Child website and they give due respect to Marvin Gaye and others. Not that it really matters, with music this good they owe respect to no one. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:31:25 -0500 From: "Louis Lynch" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Songs Hi all, Harper's back! I was laid off my computer job last month, so I've been away for a while. Good to read you all again. Michael's thread is interesting -- I've always wondered what other people's least favorite Joni songs are. Here are mine: Man from Mars No Apologies Otis and Marlena Science (the Thomas Dolby duet) Yvette in English The harper might become a fool-time musician and piano teacher and eschew the corporate ways of the computer business. Regards to all! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:59:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers # 14 Lotto is history Well, he had some challengers, but nobody could topple Steve Anderson, who came the closest to my number of choice 719. Steve, tell me your address, and your free copy of Covers #14 is on its way. Lots more to come, with more chances to win, so chin up, the rest of you! ;~) And if you want to pick up a copy of these Jonisongs as interpreted by others, just send me a blank AUDIO disc and postage OR $5 to cover everything... Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 (Please include a note telling me you want Covers #14) Of course, the other 16 or 17 (I'm losing track already) Covers CD's are also available, and I'm always glad to work with you if you're interested in catching up. If you have any questions about the project, check out "Joni Undercover" at JMDL.com! Bob NP: Michael Ball, "River" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:06:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: just checking to see how this thing works* NJC << JONI IS THE MUSE!!!!!!!!! >> Yep, this is how it works, Thom...you send a message, and we all see it! ;~) 'Preciate the inspiration...now that you know how it works, I'm looking forward to hearing more from ya, man! Bob NP: Kennedy, "Urge For Going" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:11:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Hey, welcome back Harper Lou!!! The Joni songs I could do without... 1. Dancing Clown (the only real embarrassment in her ouvre) 2. Smokin' (Empty, try another) but there's potential here if it had been fleshed out - I LOVE the Flea-style bass work! 3. The Tenth World - Loses me after about 3 minutes, probably just my bad for being in the "land of short attention spans"... Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "People's Parties" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:22:07 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Songs Good thread - in the wake of all the other Musical Snobbery going on in our little community these days, I think it's healthy to take a stab at the Goddess. I'll probably get stabbed myself for putting it that way... 1.Lead Balloon 2.Stay in Touch 3.Dancing Clown 4.Blue Boy 5.Willy 6.3 Great Stimulants (only to be saved by the live version from "Rock's Master Class") 7.The Reocurring Dream 8.Tax Free 9.Cool Water 10.You Dream Flat Tires I have come to tolerate these songs over time, so it's not as though I find them unlistenable or anything so extreme. But, when I really sit down and think about it, I simply don't like them. - -Chris NP: "Something Burning" - Deb Talan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:29:01 EST From: Cindy09876@aol.com Subject: Re: new JMDLer, Kammy Kammy... Welcome to the list! I'm typically a lurker on the JMDL - I listen and learn, but rarely comment. But since we're neighbors - I HAVE to speak up this time! I live in Birmingham, also... Alabama, even. I was at Chastain in May, too - I was the one about midway back in the seats crying like a fool for about the first 45 minutes :o) . What an incredible experience, finally being in the same space with Joni, who has spoken to my heart so many times. Anyhow, just wanted to volunteer to go with you on your next Joni sighting - I'm always ready for an adventure. Contact me offlist, neighbor - I'd love to buy you a cup of coffee sometime. Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:47:34 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs (md) Do I have a least favorite Joni nong. No. Not really. Because everything an artist does comes from some segment of their awareness, their mind, and their abilities. When I went to Paris and went to the Musee D'Orsay and saw an entire room of impressionist paintings by Van Gogh I didnt like any of them. On the other hand it was still interesting. In other words there were so many aspects and facets to them that there was still alot to get into. I may think Jungle Line is a really bad song to listen to which I do, its boring, its way too long, it is basically something she took a risk doing and in my opinion it just doesnt work but others on the list love it. Entire threads have been devoted to its merits. I love the song No Apologies. The pedal steel track is worth the price of admission. The subject seemingly being the treatment of the Japanese in their WW2 internment camps although with the reference to the "hookers" the reference may be to the use of comfort women BY the Japanese so maybe Joni was mixing things together here. Anyway the melody is haunting and I like it. It frequently makes others (including Michael Paz's whose musical taste is impeccable) least favorite list. Someone placed Cold Blue Steel on their list its in my Top 5 of ALL songs. Some songs Joni has done are great songs but have such a stupid line in them I dont like them such as the one wher she hopes the other woman gets germs. I thought such lyrics were totally beneath her but she gets slack from me for the same reason I dont hold agasinst van Gogh the fact that he cut his own ear off. In a nutshell the body of an artists life has warts and scales and big zits. But its them. Evereyone gets to make a bad song out of their 20 albums. Who knows maybe they were purposely trying to do it because of some dispute with the record company. As I have always known, "Dont worry about the No's, just focus on the Yes's. No's all have the same value (zero) its the Yes's that can buy you a new life." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:57:23 EST From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs WILLY??? a least favorite?? Wow, that hurts me a little!! I just love that song so much, I can't imagine it making anyone's list. Can you explain why?? I'm so curious.. Ok, here's my list: DANCING CLOWN (I know, really original.. fyi: I love "snakes and ladders" lol) LEAD BALLOON (all together now "fassssst forrrrward") ROSES BLUE SONGS TO AGING CHILDREN COME REFUGE OF THE ROADS (running for cover.. it just bugs me.. can't explain it.. great lyrics but the melody and vocals drive me nuts..) MY BEST TO YOU (I think it's the cheesy casio sound.. maybe it would be more tolerable on good old fashioned fingernail-clicking-Joni piano...) I love Joni. Even the "bad" stuff is a treat. She's a genius that still amazes me on a daily basis. My newest joy: putting on really great headphones and plugging into my really great stereo and listening to "Court and Spark" -- my God the arrangements!! Is it possible that I've been listening to this music for ALL THESE YEARS, and I never tire of it??! It's truly amazing when you think on it. Trey np - "Puffer's Confession" - The Mystery of Edwin Drood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:28:40 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: River and Last Time I Saw Richard Allison, I scanned you the following from the "Blue" Songbook- pgs. 70-75 (River) and pgs. 86-91(Richard) I wish I could play them like it sounds like you'll be playing them. I play them real well on my CD player. Maybe I'll get busy practicing that ole PIE AN O . Glad I could help. Let me know if there are any glitches. Two absolutely gorgeous songs...... Janine Sherman@netrax.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:48:04 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Eminem, etc...NJC +SJC My parents never attempted to understand what I listened to or cared to find out what it was. My mom when she cleaned on weekends always listened to Tom Jones, Engelbert and the rest of the swiveled hip clan. My dad wasn't much of a connoisseur of music as a matter of fact the only two albums he owned was Kate Smith "God Bless America" and John Wayne "America, Why I love Her". So I guess you see where that went. My brother and I started collecting 45's when I was about 5. We set up our own Lip Sync band that played every morning for the bus stop contingent from our living room from everything My little red book to secret agent man (being so young I was glad the osmonds were years away). For the next few years I dreamed of being Ringo Starr but I loved the music and the way it moved me. When I was 12 and started switch taste to music that more tied in with being rebellious, listening to Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath or anything that went with a smoke my parents just got used to yelling "turn it down" then finding out what it was I was wasted to that day. For the next seven years who ever I smoked with was who I listened to. If I was with Dave we blasted Yes and air guitar Howe's rifts, with Davey it was mellowing to James Taylor, Dave's sister used to play in a band called "Fanny" and she turned me on to Joni and Steely Dan, dating Bonnie it was "Bowie", surfing down at Newport or Huntington it was "The Doobies or the Dan, some Honk, or Poco. When at home it was Elton, or Neil, or Loggins and Messina, Eagles or anything that did cause the parents to stick their head or hearts into my life. But never did I ever feel so depressed or high or anything that I wanted to mutilate or destroy what seem to be a cool existence. I think that if I was motivated by anything it was the ability to do something that stretched who I was, like getting in my car and driving from LA up to Bishop listening to Heijra, or sitting on the beach at sunset in Big Sur. I do believe that music calls you do feel something but like everything in this world I am not willing to give up a Eminem if it means I have lose a "Carmina Burana" or Joni. Eminem's song was played everyday at a hip hop coffee shop that a lot of my students would ask me to meet them. I hated the song and what it stood for, but that was my choice. I don't frequent that coffee shop there are others that play the music I like. The feelings I get when I hear songs like that is that I would like to meet that person in a dark alley but then that would soon pass to reason. I don't know what the season of life have brought to that person and though it would concern me if my children listened to music like that I have to remember they are but it might not be as blunt. I have always told my own children to take what I say with a grain of salt that they have to seek things out on their own but to understand I am going to protect them from as much as I can, not hide them from it. I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to learn to make wise decisions and we have to patience with people who are not as far along in the process. And as Paul Simon would say one mans ceiling is another mans floor. Or you might have more knowledge on one issue so educate me but don't presume you have the greater knowledge on all. Peace, Craig NP: Peter Gabriel - OVO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:04:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Madonna James wrote: > Did you notice the expression on Madonna's face whenever her category > was announced? She was always caught "chatting" with her husband and > looking bored. When Joni read her name, Madonna, in her usual studied > way, adopted an annoyed expression, as if this blond woman on stage were > interrupting her little chat. It looked to me that she had tears in her eyes at least twice and I also saw Guy Ritchie appearing to dab his eyes in one shot. In another shot (right after one of her losses) she seemed to be trying to appear brave but I could see a mix of hurt and anger on her face. > I hear Madonna was so pissed about losing in all her categories she left > the auditorium in a snit and skipped the Warners party altogether. That was the impression I got. Someone on TV mentioned something about her never receiving a Grammy. I thought she had won one in the past, but I haven't folowed her that much. It's understandable that she was upset, but she did have some stiff competition this year, IMO. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:24:24 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Hi - I'm new Greetings gang: I am new to your list. Glad to be here, I hope. BACKGROUND: I am a self-published poet and a recorded musician. My sporadic touring days were from '64 through '82. I still write (my soul release). Haven't played guitar since I severely damaged my hand in a motorcycle accident years ago (my great regret). Seldom sing publicly anymore - though constantly privately (my personal sanity maintenance). Graduated college in '69. Now live in Eugene, OR. (No, I'm not a retired 'Prankster') I have an eclectic taste in music, literature, and art. I've admired Joni since the release of her 'Songs to a Seagull'. Still do! TIA, Artheo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:28:10 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #89(NJC) > Wow, lots of stuff to think about in this issue....ordinary people do > horrible things all the time and that excuses this snotty punk M&M for his > hateful trash? - please!... As you are directly misquoting from my post I assume you are referring to what I wrote. Instead of just calling him names and throwing insults which doesn't accomplish anything I was trying to examine him objectively to see why people would want to even listen to him because I really don't understand why he is so popular, and also to try to figure out where he gets his inspiration from and to determine whether or not it is trash or not. It's much easier to criticize someone than to try to understand them. So I was trying to play the devil's advocate and try to look at him from a different perspective. And even after everything everybody has said, I still don't really understand what draws people to like him. I think people have a tendency(myself included) to live in a sheltered world, free from the violence and hatred that exists, until something happens to someone that you know. And it occurred to me that not all criminals are deranged psychopaths, that often people commit crimes in the heat of passion, or simply because they don't feel any anything and that maybe by the simple virtue of being who he is, he helps create a greater awareness of how sick the world really is. I was not seeking to excuse or justify him nor was I seeking to condemn or attack him. The question of whether he has a right to record "hateful trash" is a completely separate moral issue which I was not debating nor do I want to. I don't know what you were "thinking" about but it was not what I wrote. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:15:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Eminem, etc...NJC +SJC Craig, What a nice post! You sound like you may be a bit homesick, though ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:41:30 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) (NJC) Kakki! It's good to see you back, and that you had a wonderful time. The pictures are gorgeous! So when are we having the next fest you got the details there right? LOL Have fun seeing Jonatha, she is a sweetie. I can't wait til she does her larger tour, cause 4 songs just wasn't enough for me!(call me greedy...lol) Alison and I were talking about going in NYC yay:-) Oh yeah and I saw Eric Johnson last night, on the recomendation of Mr. Paz, who blew me away on the guitar. What a great show! Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:11 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: hell@ihug.co.nz; jmichaelpaz@telocity.com > Subject: Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) > > > You can catch a glimpse of the famed Pink Hotel and a swingin hot spot, > along with the surprise discovery of Paz in Hawaii (hehe) and potential > locales for a Hawaii Jonifest here: > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1481388&a=11750727 > > Hell and Paz - a tropical Jonifest is very doable. I did some > research and > there are lots of very inexpensive condo and house rentals near all the > beaches featured in the "album." Which one shall we pick? And when do we > leave? ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:38:22 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #93 << JMDL Digest - Sunday, February 25 2001 - Volume 2001 : Number 093 >> The above came through with only one posting. Did I miss something? Rob of 'Stumptown' NP: Nnenna Freelon - 'Soulcall' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:08:49 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Madonna In a message dated 2/25/01 12:40:52 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Someone on TV mentioned something about her never receiving a Grammy. I thought she had won one in the past >> Not a Madonna aficionado, but I know in 2000 she and William orbit won as writers under the Best Song For Motion Picture category with Beautiful Stranger. Not certain if she has ever won as a performer of a song? TIA, Artheo NP - '"The Big Picture" by: Michael Shrieve & David Beal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:42:50 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: music, films, TV (njc) Victor Johnson wrote: > I choose not to listen to Emimem because I do not want > the images he creates in my head. Children aren't always able to make those > decisions. That's true. They've done studies that indicate that young children are not able to determine that what they see on TV is not real. While it's great for adults to say "Hey, I listen to Eminem and I don't wanna go out and strangle my girlfriend", it's alot different if you're a 10 year old latchkey kid in a single parent home, and you and your friends think he's a cool guy. They just aren't going to get that he is singing in character (if that is what he's doing, and it's not an excuse-- I mean Hitler could have said he was doing performance art, too...). I don't believe in censorship, but question the marketing of this stuff to young kids, which is what MTV has done. The MTV demographic is preteen and early teen kids, and they promoted the hell out of M&M (whose name is also candy..but I digress again)...for their own gain and without any responsibility, IMO. RR PS Has anyone heard Christina Aguilera's "Will the Real Slim Shady Please Shut Up?" It's a hilarious parody/putdown/answer to the sexist stuff he said about her in his song. Napster, while they last.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:13:24 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: Joni songbook (piano music) Hi Allison, As far as I know, there are no songbooks that are intended to be "accurate" piano transcriptions of Joni's stuff. As you probably know, most of the Piano/Vocal/Guitar songbooks have piano arrangements of the tunes, but these are not the piano parts as played by Joni - they have the vocal melody added to the piano right-hand part, and the parts are usually simplified a little. I did a transcription of the piano part for "Blue" - available from www.jmdl.com/guitar (search for the song title or file-type "piano music"). This is true to the original part (to my ears at least ...!). I hope to add the piano part for "For Free" at some point, though I don't have anything for the songs you mention I'm afraid. Howard From: "Allison Smith" >Hey, everyone! I am looking for some Joni sheet music and/or songbooks for >piano. I have been playing piao for years, so I don't want any of that >"easy play" stuff. I'd like to get some sheet music that is as accurate as >possible to what's on the albums. I am specifically looking for the songs >"River" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:20:20 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi - I'm new - NJC In a message dated 2/25/01 1:31:39 PM, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << I live in extreme N.Cal) >> Where precisely? << Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: (No, I'm not a retired 'Prankster') / guitarzan@saber.net writes: Glad you haven't retired ; ) >> :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:30:45 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and Madonna Kakki wrote: > Someone on TV mentioned something about her > never receiving a Grammy. I thought she had won one in the past You're right, in fact Madonna has won 5 of them. 1998 was her big year; "Ray of Light" took best pop album, best dance recording, and best short form video. In 1998 she won best song written for a motion picture for "Beautiful Stranger", and in 1984 she got best long form video for the "Blonde Ambition Tour" So, as of this year, Joni and Madonna are tied with 5 each- how's that for just-ice? Joni's wins- 2001-best traditional pop vocal album: Both Sides Now 1995-best pop album-Turbulent Indigo 1995-best recording package-Turbulent Indigo (with Robbie Cavolina) 1974-best arrangement accompanying vocals-Down to You (with Tom Scott) 1969-best folk performance-Clouds I'm not counting this years best instumental arrangement accompanying vocal because it was awarded to Vince Mendoza for BSN grammy.com has a searchable database of past winners, which is where I got this info BTW Eminem won a grammy this year, too, for best solo rap performance-The Real Slim Shady RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:31:40 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs 1. Nothing Can Be Done 2. Jungle Line 3. Last Time I Saw Richard (oooh, I'm gonna get slammed for this, but the over-the-top soprano is too harsh for me) 4. The Fiddle and the Drum Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:49:46 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Marcel's Fearless Review of the Asharafest 2000 CD Set Marcel, Thanks for the very enjoyable read! I keep seeing comments about the great music at jonifests; it's nice getting such a detailed report. Who could now resist going to experience all of this music in person? Note to Ashara: Better plan on buying that house next door; you may need an annex this September. Debra Shea NP: Susan McKeown, Bones, "Curiouser" MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > If you have never gone to a Jonifest you have missed something. If you have > never gone to one you OWE yourself a Jonifest Trip if you are a fan of Joni > Mitchell or enjoy the daily trip to the JMDL Cafe and Discussion List. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:10:36 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: No apologies > the reference to the "hookers" the > reference may be to the use of comfort women BY the Japanese so > maybe Joni > was mixing things together here. Actually, she's not mixing things up. After the scandal broke about the rape of the Japanese girl, one of the military bigwigs over there said that the soldiers should have been hiring prostitutes instead of raping girls. I also love the music of No Apologies. The lyric, though, is good in spots but ultimately incoherent. Who the hell is Freddie, who the hell is Juan, and what do they have to do with anything? - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:10:37 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Least Favorite Joni Songs The quickest way to generate action on a slow JMDL day is to start one of these "least favorite" threads. Everyone's sure to come to the defense of some of the songs on the dog list. The achingly beautiful Refuge of the Roads, a least favorite? It breaks my heart! Here's my dog list: The Arrangement The Circle Game Help Me (indeed) The Windfall Willy used to be on my dog list until I rediscovered it on the video tree. It took me over thirty years to discover the beauty of this song! I know "Joni Mitchell takes forever" but this is ridiculous. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:26:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi - I'm new NJC << I have an eclectic taste in music, literature, and art. I've admired Joni since the release of her 'Songs to a Seagull'. >> Sounds like you're gonna fit in just fine, Artheo! Thanks for weighing in - glad you've joined us! :~) Bob NP(Now Playing): Wayne Nelson, "City Of New Orleans" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:35:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Cool story about a Joni cover Thanks to the inclusion of the Covers database on Les' site, I've been getting contacted directly by some of the artists who've done these songs, in some cases that's been how I've discovered some. Anyway, wayyyy back on Volume 5, and thanks to the lovely & talented Leslie Mixon, I got a copy of Night In The City by Christopher Grener. Knew nothing of the recording or the performer, but no matter. Today, I got this e-mail from Christopher who was excited to be a part of the project. He tells what I thought was a cool story of how this recording came to be: "Bob, My name is Christopher Grener. I was doing a search this morning and found my name mentioned as what appears to be my being a part of a CD of Joni Covers. I am honored and humbled to be included. Mine was a live recording that I did at a club using a ancient D-45 owned by a writer named John Herald, who is best know for writing "Stewball". I was at the bar and heard her version of Night In the City over the sound system. While tuning up in the alley, I went into a drop tuning and found most of the notes, worked up the version and went onstage and recorded it. I am a fan first who is deeply influenced by her work. I even wrote an instrumental which is called "Joni's Smile" which has gotten quite a bit of airplay on the college jazz stations. I would love to get a copy of the CD if they still exist. " I thought it was a pretty cool story, "The Cover that almost wasn't"! I'll let y'all know when I get a copy of "Joni's Smile"...;~) Bob NP: Andy Milne's Cosmic Dapp Theory, "Generations" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #94 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?