From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #89 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 089 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- What I Did on my Winter Vacation (NJC)(Long!) [Steve Dulson ] Jona and Joni ["BRIAN SYMES" ] RE: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Re: Merk's setback; was Joni Print Contest - A temporary set back. ["Jim ] Macy Gray won best female pop vocalist ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: what's in a name? (NJC) ["Stevie Mitchell" ] Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?sensationalism_in_the_media_&_elton_john's_suit_ njc? [RoseMJoy@aol.co] Joni to appear at Mardi Gras! [Jim and/or Jay ] Elton- my new hero. NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Grammies NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] grimy grammies [Tyler Hewitt ] grimy grammies ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? [TerryM2222@aol.com] Joni and Tim - Spider Robinson column, Globe and Mail [Catherine McKay ] Joni moment [PPeterson4@aol.com] Heads up for Cdn listers! ["Stephen Epstein" ] Greetings to new subscribers!, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: grimy grammies(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) ["Emma Caywood" Subject: What I Did on my Winter Vacation (NJC)(Long!) Hello all! Whew - I'm still jet-lagged, and I never even left the time zone!:) After three fun days visiting friends in Seattle, Michele and I took the Victoria Clipper up to Victoria. What a deal! A round trip ticket on the Clipper included a night at the Empress Hotel, taxi to the hotel (about a 300 yard drive!) and a champagne breakfast. As there were two of us, we got two nights - all for less than US$300. The summertime rate for the room we were in was CAN$695 a night! Victoria is a wonderfully compact, picturesque and friendly city. Canadian singer Bill Gallaher had us over for dinner at his house Monday night - and invited his band and their spouses. Way cool! On Tuesday we met longtime jmdler Roberto Holliston at his favorite pub, The Old Bailey. Roberto was wearing his jmdl denim shirt, so was easy to spot. This should come as no surprise to anyone who has met other jmdlers - but what a great guy he is!! We had a fine time knocking back a few, discussing many things JC and NJC. After some time - things get fuzzy here - we went back to the Empress for a nightcap in the Bengal Lounge. Now, my favorite place in the world for a drink is the Bel-Air Hotel bar, but I think I've found a close competitor! The sky-high ceiling, the couches (settees?), the service...(well, yes, the prices, too)...it was wonderful! "I was sitting in the bar, at the Empress hotel"...no hockey games on TV, though. Heck, no TV! I blush to recall, but Roberto was one of a regrettable number of jmdlers that I got off on a wrong foot with in my early days on the list. Happily, Roberto and I patched things up some time ago, and buried the hatchet for sure on this visit. Earlier in the day, we had had high tea at the Empress...if you ever want to feel like you are in the midst of a Merchant Ivory film... On Wednesday we walked (3 or 4 minutes) down to the seaplane terminal, and caught a flight to Vancouver. Any place where seaplanes are a normal means of transportation is OK with me!! After a 25 minute flight, the De Havilland Canada Twin Otter landed in Vancouver's Coal Harbour. There was a shuttle waiting to take us to our hotel, the Hyatt. What service! Folk Alliance was the usual mad melange of workshops, meetings, socializing, showcases, staying up WAY too late, overloading the Hyatt's elevators (which quit sometime Friday(?) night) and wading through showcase announcements plastered EVERYwhere. In other words - we had a blast! I know most of you aren't really folkies, but FYI the musical highpoints for me were provided by James Keelaghan, Aengus Finnan, Slaid Cleaves, Mary Gauthier, Kate Bennett and San Francisco's amazing Waybacks. The aforementioned Ms Bennett blew into town Friday night, and we agreed to meet in the lobby with local jmdler Stephen Epstein and a surprise guest from Argentina - the inimitable Wally K! Kate was real pleased to see us in the lobby, as she didn't know Stephen or Wally. Little did she know - neither did we! However, we waved our name tags around, and Stephen and Wally soon found us. Piling into Stephen's Saab convertible (it WAS a little tight for Michele, Kate and I in the back - I would have offered to reach for my wallet to pay for parking, but Kate would have slapped me!:) ) we were soon at a waterfront restaurant, where wine and light munchies were ordered up. What an enjoyable evening! Two Yanks, a Brit, an Argentine and a Canadian. The talk ranged far and wide, as it does on these occasions, and it was a real kick getting to know Stephen and Wally - two more charming and intelligent new friends! At all jmdl gatherings, the conversation inevitably comes round to "Do you know Kakki?" "Have you met Paz?" "Isn't Ashara great?" ...and so many more names...I think that many of you would be greatly gratified to know the estime and affection in which you are held by so many people. Les, Wally B and Jim J have created and maintained a wonderful, worldwide community. My hat's off to them! Saturday night Kate was featured in the prestigous Taylor Guitars showcase. She was scheduled to go on at 1:50 - actually Sunday morning - and it slipped to about 2:00, so we were a bit bleery- eyed by then. Backed by her buddies, Santa Barbara duo Anastasia and John, Kate turned in a tight 3-song set that, once again, demonstrated the warmth and intimacy of her live performances that is only hinted at on her fine CD. A fine job indeed. I have a few of the showcase flyers if anyone wants one (I've got one saved for you already, Kakki!). On Monday we zipped through US customs and immigration at Vancouver airport (an INS agent actually JOKED with me - that NEVER happens!) and Horizon Air and Alaska Airlines got us back into Orange County on time, tired but happy. Go visit Canada and the Canadians - they are great people in a great, civilized country. Any place that has a chain of stores called "Loonie Plus" has GOT to be alright! :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:53:23 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Folk Alliance (NJC) Kate wrote: >Maybe this is all hitting me because I just spent a weekend surrounded by >some of the most incredible music & songwriters I have ever experienced in >one place. More about that later but to me watching the grammys after >experiencing what to me felt like the heart & soul of the music world, was >like going back to watching a b&w tv after seeing a movie in color. But Kate, did you have a good time up north? :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:59:13 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Jona and Joni Totally blissed out Before the record store gets crowded Penny says to me isn't that Jonatha over there. I slide over and Pull out SP CD and ask her to sign it. Penny starts telling Jonatha about How the JMDL people have posted her tour dates then out of the corner of her eye she notices a weird stalker guy dressed in leather carrying a vase stuffed with Lilies and she disappears into the back room. About 10 minutes later a rep from her record distribution company comes out to Penny and I and asks us to come back and talk some more with her.So for another 15 minutes we talked about the local radio station, Ingrid, the People who helped her make her SP CD. A true guage of talent is to listen to a musical artist singing live with out the studio sound magic, she has got IT a Blissfully Haunting Spirit with a voice that startles you like a Hail storm starting as your walking across the street. I said cool! John Coltrane GO JONI The rest of the Hammies Circus Maximus it was like having to eat one scoop of all baskin-robbins ice cream 31 flavors The dumb white MC said it to himself I SUCK! Paul Simon's had a stupidly Minimal song. Mad Dona dancing on a Limo, how original. Elton John bad suit day. The Twit Chick in Jeans Red top and Pink Shoes walks on stage O thanks for dropping the white fur coat. I guess Jonatha's performance spoiled me. Bye. - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:04:58 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: RE: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: << I didn't see the entire show, but boy, did my head turn when a woman came on, singing a beautiful jazz piece. She was also up for an award, but lost. Can someone tell me who she was? >> She was Nnenna Freelon being backed by Take Six - that was the hottest performance of the show!!! It was truly sizzlin', smokin', hot, hot, hot!!! Her album is called 'Soulcall' and it is excellent - if you like superb jazz vocalists! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:19:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Merk's setback; was Joni Print Contest - A temporary set back. Hey Jack, I'm glad you made it through! Take it easy and know that we're all pulling for you! All the best, Jim (Lama) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:32:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Macy Gray won best female pop vocalist Hey, now. We can't win everything! It's enough that her name is out there. The glass is definitely more than half full. I'm always amazed when co-workers nod knowingly when I tell them I'm a huge Joni fan. Although she doesn't think so, she is *not* forsaken. Go Joni! We love you through **all** your changes!! Rose said, > Give me a fu**ing break! > Like Wally would say, If I had a drink, I'd throw it right > now. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:43:43 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: RIP John Fahey > forwarded from drone music list: > > John Fahey died this morning following heart bypass surgery earlier this > week. > > John went into the hospital last week following several weeks of chest and > arm pain and was told he'd had a heart attack. He elected to have the > bypass--sextuple, as it turned out--with a sober but optimistic outlook. He > had the operation Monday morning and remained heavily sedated thereafter. By > Wednesday night, his kidneys had shut down and, following a further > unsuccessful heart procedure Thursday morning, he was placed on life support. > He was removed from life support sometime around 11 am today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:05:41 -0000 From: "Stevie Mitchell" Subject: Re: what's in a name? (NJC) Well Bob, Even Bob's aren't safe you know. There is a guy who works for my company called Bob Sherunkle - I've looked him up on the internal directory! - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: 13 February 2001 14:03 Subject: Re: what's in a name? (NJC) > < > University of Northern Iowa in the 70s named Fonda Dicks>> > > Well, this one's no urban myth...I went to High School with a Theresa Dick, she had 2 brothers Tom & Harry. I guess her parents thought it would be clever to have a "Tom Dick & Harry" but never took the NANOSECOND to realize that the poor sap's full name was going to be Harry Dick! Thanks Mom & Dad! LOL! > > Also, I'm currently bidding on a Joni cover by another poor sap saddled with the name of Dick Hyman! It will be our first hermaphroditic cover! :~D > > Bob, who counts his blessings to be named Bob! > > NP: Elvis, "No Dancing" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:24:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?sensationalism_in_the_media_&_elton_john's_suit_ njc? In a message dated 2/22/01 5:01:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Which brings me to Elton Johns suit last night at the Grammys. Now, there is the real horror! Someone had to say it :~} >> I love the man's music, but he looked like a clown. Get him another designer, quick. - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:33:03 -0500 From: Jim and/or Jay Subject: Joni to appear at Mardi Gras! Alert to those of you who live in New Orleans or are planning on visiting for Mardi Gras: My friend Gabriel Q is an incredible artist who makes unique hand-crafted masks in the Venetian tradition. He has been a Joni appreciator and this year has been particularly enraptured with Hejira. He crafted a mask of Joni's face with her classic french beret and two lines of synthetic blonde hair on either side of the mask. It struck me as both a bit humorous yet respectful in its depiction of our Joan. The mask will be shown and is available for sale (not sure of price) at the Quarter Moon Gallery, 918 Royal Street. Stop by for a look if you're there! And have fun "earning" those beads! D.J. from Cambridge, Ma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:36:41 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Elton- my new hero. NJC Elton did more than give Eminem a forum Wednesday night. By his presence, he gave credence to the idea that the Western World will survive in spite of hip-hop. I was amazed at Eminem's lyrics when I first read them, just like most people. I just couldn't connect with that anger- especially that song "Kim" where he's screaming about knifing his ex-wife. He's quite explicit about enjoying the imaginary sight of her bleeding. I guess this hip-hop world is all about exaggerating the world's nightmares. It's not for me but then, it's not reflecting my culture. The sad thing about hip-hop is that it even alienates eclectic music fans like me. I can listen to country. I can listen to jazz, and folk, and soul, and R&B, and rock, and classical, and native Americans, and pop. I just can't handle rap. Or polka. :) I had heard 'Stan', Eminem's choice for the broadcast, before. (Is it now okay to use four letter words on national TV? Why didn't they use a delay if they're putting him on? Why didn't he change a few words? I'm not really offended by those words, but I mean, is hip-hop exempt from the rules everyone else has to follow?) "Stan" is an atypical Eminem song 'cause the last "verse" explodes the anger that the first few verses set up. For those who aren't familiar, the first verses are a series of increasingly desperate and angry "letters" from a fan to a star. In the fan's last verse, he kills his girlfriend (a recurring theme on the album) and himself by driving off a bridge. Eminem observes ironically that the fan's last missive (apparently a cassette) will not be mailed to the star. Elton did a great job on the choruses. Finally, the star responds to his fan's letters with assurance and support. The star admits he isn't sure if his fan is also the guy who committed the murder/suicide so the listener clucks at the irony. It's not a great lyric but it's not totally dunder-headed either. Is he saying that no one's to blame? I don't think so. I think Eminem is saying that there's no escape from anger. That it's a one-way trip. I wonder where he'll go now that his career has exceeded his anger...... What does a happy, wealthy, successful rapper rap about? Lacking the sophistication of his elders, during his acceptance speech he pitched the title and month of his next release, twice. Hip-hop is about breaking the rules and I guess pitching your "product" from an awards lectern is just the latest example. So Elton gets high marks for embracing a homophobic artist and Eminem gets mixed marks for effectively conveying a bleak subculture albeit with a lack of grace. My two cents. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:11:25 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Grammies NJC Hey Ranger Rick, Well, I thought that Take 6 or U2 had the performance of the night but different strokes to different folks. Anyway, the Steely Dan recognition was well deserved IMO. I love "2 Against Nature"! Like Bob M., you think it doesn't break ground and I can see that argument to an extent. But not everyone is a chameleon like Joni. I mean, you sound like one of Ellington's critics who felt that he hadn't evolved because he was "still" using a big band. In the 50s, would you have advised Louis Armstrong take up piano? 2 Against Nature is very inventive. Who else uses humor in almost every song? In fact, it's their funniest album to date and the characters are very well described. The lyrics are excellent on this album. I can see that the horn arrangements are recycled and I see Muller's point about the drumming. (I'm always very picky about drummers- while I agree that the drum parts are simple, there are so many other things happening that I don't care. The drumming *breathes* anyway. Imagine 2 Against Nature with drum machines and you'll see that it's simple but not catatonic.) The arrangements are as different from each other as they are from previous albums. The technical virtuosity is right there in the horns, guitars, and especially, in Walter's bass parts. Every single part is clearly recorded without one single instance of mic overloads. These guys *care*. You don't hear anything daring, exciting, innovative, creative or interesting on this album? Remember the groove at the beginning of the title track?? This is music by and for grownups. As opposed to wishing that I had slashed my girlfriend so I could watch her slowly bleed, bleed, bleed because she "done" broke ma heart. My two cents. Donald and Walter forever, the Blue Man Group never! Lama Rick said, [[ Steely Dan!!! Album of the Year!!!! What was new, daring, exciting, innovative, creative, or interesting about that re-hash of everything they've done in their career? Was this a nostalgia vote or a sympathy vote or an attempt to avoid controversy? I'm with the Rev here. IMHO Eminem gave the performance of the night.]] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: grimy grammies > I simply want to say that the Grammies really punted on album of the > year. Eminem had the album of the year, love him or hate him. Since when have the Grammy Awards been about quality in music? The Grammies are easily the least respected of all the entertainment awards, and have been for decades. They have always been about sales and popularity, not about quality. I stopped watching them about 1980 or so, having completely lost faith in their ability to reflect the quality of music being made. Love him or hate him, as soon as there was a bit of controversy Eminem didn't stand a chance for record of the year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:05:17 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: grimy grammies Tyler Hewitt wrote: Love him or hate him, as soon as there was a bit of controversy Eminem didn't stand a chance for record of the year. Can't agree more, and am pissed that just his nomination received the attention it did. Though I felt his performance was decent, the whole Elton John thing is a puzzle. What WAS that about? And that insincere hugging @ the end. Joni looked marvelous, and rather radiant, I thought. I got quite a chuckle- she and Carlos- the old guard amongst the teeny boppers! Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Joni- A Day in the Garden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:07:28 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? <> Thanks, all, for cracking the case. I'll be looking forward to a CDnow package at the door now. More on my Grammy's take- Disappointed in Paul Simon's choice of song. Haven't heard his new CD but hope the rest is better than that particular cut. Macy- what am I missing here? M&M (can't spell it)- kinda scares me that he's considered a hero for this generation. Ok, so I'm not supposed to take his lyrics out of context. But...out of what context? The music sucks too. Terry In a message dated 2/22/01 7:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, RK1THXguy writes: << She was Nnenna Freelon being backed by Take Six >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:57:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni and Tim - Spider Robinson column, Globe and Mail Here is an item that appeared in today's Globe and Mail. I don't know about people named "Spider", but this is kinda cool. Follow the link, or see text copied in below. http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/Commentary/20010222/COSPIDER.html Ballad of the rude Canadian Jean Chritien's recent travels may have confirmed Canada's genteel stereotype, but the first Canuck I ever met was a holy terror SPIDER ROBINSON Thursday, February 22, 2001 I've been waiting more than 30 years for an excuse to tell this story in print. But perhaps I'd better just get it told, because who knows whether I, or its protagonist, will wake up tomorrow? Our Prime Minister's recent visits to China and the White House were marked, by all accounts, by excessive politeness. Members of his Team Canada party even applauded when Chinese officials carted off some Canadian students who used the occasion of the visit to protest against conditions in Tibet. "That's not the Canadian way," the visitors explained. For the zillionth time, we were reminded that most of the world knows Canada only as The Place Where They're All Polite. And this reminded me, as it always does, of the first Canadian I ever met, telling a crowd of admirers they were lower than weasel smegma. I'm guessing it was 1968. In those days, there briefly existed on this planet a phenomenon I despair of explaining to the modern consumer, called "folk music." Before it all blew over, it offered sporadic employment to people such as Tom Rush, Tim Buckley, Phil Ochs, Fred Neil, Judy Collins, John Koerner, James Taylor and Bob Dylan, some of whom went on to become legitimate musicians. One of the best songwriters in folk was Tim Hardin. He's not the above-mentioned first Canadian I ever met; he was American. His biggest commercial success was a song called If I Were a Carpenter,a hit for Bobby Darin. He wrote the folk classic Reason to Believe,and a haunting jazz ballad called Misty Roses. He was one of the best performers of his songs, with a smoky, fragile voice and guitar playing as crisp as breadsticks. He seemed poised to become one of those rare folksingers to earn a living. Then someone gave him some heroin. By the time of which I speak, Mr. Hardin had already flamed out at least once -- he'd actually fallen asleep onstage at the Royal Albert Hall. Now, chastened and fresh out of rehab, he was ready to try a career-reviving comeback. A tour was booked that brought him to my large state university. A humble, low-key folkie tour: just Mr. Hardin, and an unknown solo singer for a warmup act. I may as well confess this like a man: I was a folksinger myself, in those days. I've been completely rehabilitated through a 12-step program -- swear to God -- but back then, I was one of the first on line for Tim Hardin tickets. Then, before the concert actually happened, everything changed. Not for Mr. Hardin, but for his warmup act. Lightning struck, and set her ablaze. A shy folkie with the obligatory long blond hair, hailing from some place so nowhere it wasn't even in the United States, she unexpectedly became a pop star overnight. So when Tim Hardin's big evening finally arrived, the house was packed . . . but nearly everyone had come to hear this Joni Mitchell chick. She was wonderful, of course, and held the huge crowd spellbound, in the palm of her hand, and when she was through, the standing ovation seemed to go on forever. Then Tim Hardin came out on stage, and Ms. Mitchell left . . . and so did a good quarter of the audience. The doors of this dark gymnasium, enormous ones, were on either side of the stage, and the lobby outside was brightly lit. So the policy was to keep those doors shut while someone was performing onstage. Otherwise, you were shining a big light into the audience's face, wrecking the ambience. Those wishing to enter or leave were required by ushers to wait until the song-in-progress was over. This is good policy when only a few people want to go through the doors. When many people try to leave at once, however, the result is large milling crowds on either side of the stage. As far as they were concerned, the show was over. The star had already performed, and this blockage at the door was just some temporary screwup. They made no attempt to keep silent -- didn't even bother keeping their voices down. Some shouted, the better to be heard over that guy onstage nattering on about carpenters and tinkers. Cigarettes were lit, some containing tobacco; raucous laughter rose above the general hubbub. Tim soldiered on. He finished his first song, to a smattering of applause, watched the doors open and a flood of people race to escape his music. He began another song, watched more chattering crowds form at his left and right as he sang, and flee the moment they were allowed to. He started a third tune; same result. He stopped in midsong, unslung his guitar, leaned closer to the mike, said, very softly, "How would you like it if somebody pissed in your canteen?" and left. Some folks didn't even notice. But they sure noticed when an avenging angel swept down from the bleachers, trailing blond hair like fire. Ms. Mitchell sprang onstage, grabbed the mike, and for the next five minutes, she cursed that crowd. We were barbarians, pigs, reptile excrement; she profoundly regretted having performed for us, and would tell every act she knew not to come here because we didn't deserve to hear music; she maligned us and our relatives and ancestors until she ran out of breath, and stormed offstage. Leaving behind hundreds of baffled people . . . and a handful like me, cheering even louder than we had for her songs. Mr. Hardin cut that tour short and went back to heroin. His performance at Woodstock the following year was cut from the movie. It took him another 10 horrid years to die, at 39. At his final gig in 1979, they say he just played one song -- Hoagy Carmichael's Georgia -- over and over. I've been waiting 33 years for a chance to thank the first Canadian I ever met for her magnificent rudeness - -- not to mention her astonishing command of invective - -- and now I've finally got it done. If there's ever anything I can do for you, Ms. Mitchell, I am yours to command. Spider Robinson's CD Belaboring the Obvious, featuring original music and readings, is available at http://www.spiderrobinson.com; his story collection By Any Other Name has just been published by Baen Books. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:05:58 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Grammies NJC susan+rick wrote: > On 2/21/01 8:30 PM, Vince Lavieri wrote > > I simply want to say that the Grammies really punted on album of the > > year. Eminem had the album of the year, love him or hate him. And for > > the flack I will get for saying this, I don't care. > > Steely Dan!!! Album of the Year!!!! What was new, daring, exciting, > innovative, creative, or interesting about that re-hash of everything > they've done in their career? Was this a nostalgia vote or a sympathy vote > or an attempt to avoid controversy? > > I'm with the Rev here. IMHO Eminem gave the performance of the night. > > Ranger Rick It should be noted, though, that grammies aren't awarded by a governing body, but by votes from members of NARAS, which means the artists, producers and others in the music and record biz..... Was great to see Joni up there, with her awkward yet endearing attempts at humor.... Puzzling that they never mentioned her win....I mean they mentioned Best Bolivian Polka Album and everthing else... Here's my Grammy list: Graified to see: Steely Dan's wins male chauvinist pig favorite guilty pleasure: Destiny's Child Biggest disappointment: No wins for Fiona Apple Favorite grammy host to date: John Stewart original quote: If Eminem is the Pat Boone of rap, Elton is the Bing Crosby Favorite cool dumb fun moment: Blue Man Group shooting that silver mylar confetti stuff out of their PVC tubas 2nd FCDFM: Ray Romano and that other guy shooting the t-shirt bazooka into the audience Best singer: Christina Aguilera (but for gawdsakes, eat something!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:09:16 EST From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Joni moment Who would uh thunk it? But I was in Duane Reade drugstore on 86th and Lex, NYC, buying my bottle of water, and who do I hear on the MUSAK but JM herself, and not just "Help Me" JM or "Big Yellow Taxi" JM or even "Both Sides Now" JM, but "EDITH AND THE KINGPIN" JM! You don't hear that very often on your elevator music playlist. So I stood among the batteries and the greeting cards listening to the end. What incredibly beautiful music! Maybe it was some kind of weird prefigurement of the sight later that night of Joni at the Grammies. She seemed as out of place as "Edith and the Kingpin" did in Duane Reade. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:34:31 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Heads up for Cdn listers! For we Canadian listers and those close to the border, the CBC has a pre-Juno Award show this Sun nite @8:00p.m. called Tower of Sound. One of the featured artists is Joni. All I know! Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Alternate Blue- thanks Paz! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:02:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Greetings to new subscribers!, NJC If you're new to the list, welcome! This discussion list is the perfect place to ask a question about Joni Mitchell. You can post your experiences about a close encounter with Joni, or what her music has meant to you. Or maybe, you just want to introduce yourself. That's what this list is for. Welcome! There are lots of rare interviews and concerts available from list members too. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:10:15 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: grimy grammies(njc) > Love him or hate him, as soon as there was a bit of > controversy Eminem didn't stand a chance for record of > the year. Actually I think controversy was most likely responsible for much of the record sales and without all the controversy he probably would not have drawn so much attention. The kind of taboo aura that exists around this seems to make it more appealing somehow. Nevertheless, I am mystified as to why people are so enraptured by his music. I dislike the way that Emimem is locked into this role of being either loved or hated. I am fairly indifferent to him. Why must he always be classified as a hero or a victim. Maybe people were simply not interested. Maybe there is a reason why he didn't win record of the year. It seems that you're saying he didn't stand a chance because there was too much controversy generated by people/media and that the electors should have realized the artistic merit in his work, and that they are somehow to blame for not giving him the award. But how on earth could you really expect his music to not be controversial? I mean, hello, these songs are inherently controversial regardless of whether you think they are good or not, and whether or not you think Emimen is a talented lyricist and songwriter. So I really don't think you can use controversy as a reason he didn't win as his songs are controversial by their very nature. Why are they controversial? Maybe because they are DISTURBING? Are they well written songs that are performed well and have good music behind them? Maybe so. Do they reflect a reality, do they have passion in them, do they make you feel something, do they speak to you? Maybe so. But don't you think that since their subject matter is extremely disturbing and expresses hatred(whether real or not, whether legitimate or not) that some people are not going to like this music and not going to want to listen it. What's so shocking about that? That people don't want to listen to songs about killing people. Maybe they don't want to listen to it because it stirs up parts of themselves they'd rather not confront. People are capable of doing horrible things. Ordinary people, people that you know. It happens all the time. It's in the news every night. There is such a fascination with death that pervades society. Maybe this is why Emimem's music is so powerful. Maybe all the anger expressed towards him is misdirected. Maybe he is trying only to reflect a sick, twisted society. Maybe he is extremely gifted/clever for having been able to do this. But maybe some people just don't want to go there. Maybe it is too REAL. That being said, maybe people just want to listen to music that makes them feel good and celebrates the beauty in life. Is there anything terribly wrong with that? In the midst of all this controversy, we seem to be forgetting what music is all about. I think its what Kate was talking about when she described being surrounded by so many increbible, great musicians, the "heart and soul of the music world". Emimem, thought provoking, talented, clever, original......yes. Emimem, record of the year....I don't think so. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:57:53 -0600 From: "Emma Caywood" Subject: Re: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) >I would guess the vast majority of the women who live in Bel >Air and are Joni's age have had plenty of work done. If you've got the >money, why not? I agree. If it looks good on her, why not? My mom got a facelift because she can afford it, and she just got a little done, and she's not even ON tv. More and more people are doing it. It's not a big deal anymore. Emma. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #89 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?