From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 072 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- No.1 on your birthday - NJC ["hell" ] Nikki Happy Birthday!!!! NJc ["Kate Bennett" ] Jonatha njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Kissing Contests - Mr Grumpy is in the building NJC ["Ross, Les" ] R: Fans of Joni ["Domenico Stefanoni" ] Re: Jonatha njc ["hell" ] Re: Happy Birthday (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC ["hell" ] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] happy birthday nikki NJC [mags ] Re: Love Me Do NJC [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Favourites by everybody njc [philipf@tinet.ie] Fred Neil/Joni Mitchell ["henry llach" ] Re: happy birthday nikki NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Highlights in vocal expression [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC [Alison E ] Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] HAPPY B-DAY NIKKI! njc [Alison E ] absinthe and kids - njc [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Fred Neil/Joni Mitchell [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ever wrong before? njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: "More Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell", NJC, Long [slarty ] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Jonatha njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Love Me Do NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Love Me Do NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] joniart ["P. Henry" ] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #71 [FredNow@aol.com] Re: what's in a name? (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Kids today (long, boring, and NJC for the most part) ["Diane Evans" <] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Top 5 Joni Facts [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Vote for Joni - top vocalist of 20th C. ["dave foers" ] Re: HAPPY B-DAY NIKKI! njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC ["Diane Evans" ] RE: HAPPY B-DAY NIKKI! njc ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Love Me Do NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Detroit Free Press [Vince Lavieri ] RE: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Detroit Free Press ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: The Michaelangelo story [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: what's in a name? (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] Re: The Michaelangelo story [dsk ] An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: joniart ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC [Alison E ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:22:21 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: No.1 on your birthday - NJC Here's a bit of fun! The following link will allow you to see what songs (UK and US) were No. 1 on the day you were born - or any other day for that matter, wedding day, anniversaries, etc. http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html On the day I was born, Get Away by Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames was No. 1 in the UK, and in the US, Hanky Panky by Tommy James and the Shondells. Interestingly, nine months previous to that was Tears by Ken Dodd, and Yesterday by The Beatles. Mind you, I don't think my parents would have been paying too much attention to the radio! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:13:16 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Nikki Happy Birthday!!!! NJc Happy Happy Birthday Nikki!!!! I bet you are still up & awake!!!! Rock On!!!! Love, Kate ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:13:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jonatha njc I wonder if that is the singer she had with her when I saw her, about 3 years ago I think. The singer had a really beautiful voice, I remember being struck by that. I think I remember they sang something acapella & she also played keyboard? PS I totally agree with you re: Jonatha & Shawn being "of the very few best singer/songwriters working today " Fred said, "(Disclosure: a friend and musical colleague of mine, Ingrid Graudins, sang with her for a few years on record and gigs.) ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:49:19 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Kissing Contests - Mr Grumpy is in the building NJC << How hard is that to understand. It was the Saturday before Valentine's Day at a mall. What else could you want to know? >> Oh where would we be without this........? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:17:26 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Happy birthday! Happy Birthday to a fellow Stevie (and Lovemongers) fan! Hell - finally caught up with her mail (kind of) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:29:22 +0100 From: "Domenico Stefanoni" Subject: R: Fans of Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fans of Joni > In a message dated 2/9/01 1:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, domstef@tin.it > writes: > > << i wish to be fans of joni mitchell but i have to much mailing i wish talk > with fans of joni but no mailing thanks > >> > Welcome! you can talk to me anytime Domenico. Are you from Italy? Sure wish > you would stick around a while though. If you don't want email, then you > should unsubscribe. > Chow, > Rose in NJ > who by the way is Italian too ;~) > third generation > > Rose in NJ >I think you are good photographers i have see joni mitchell in italy 1983 talk to me whatever you want about joni thank you ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:37:09 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Jonatha njc Kate wrote: > PS I totally agree with you re: Jonatha & Shawn being "of the very few best > singer/songwriters > working today " I agree that Johnatha is great, and I wouldn't have bothered picking up the discs I have without this list. Admittedly they were on special, or I probably wouldn't have bothered - but I'm glad I did. I LOVE Plumb! I've just discovered another relatively new artist that I haven't seen mentioned here yet. Her name is Dido, and she's from the UK. She sings the theme to "Roswell" (the teeny-bopper sci-fi show about aliens), and Eminem sampled her song "Thank you" in his song Stan, which she has now released as a single. This song (her version, not Eminem's) was also used in the movie "Sliding Doors" and in the TV movie "If These Walls Could Talk 2" for which Vanessa Redgrave just won the Golden Globe. I've listened to 30 sec samples of her songs, and love them all, so have just ordered the CD. If you haven't heard her, I recommend it! She apparently was a child prodigy and toured Europe playing the classical recorder - she also read (and I guess understood) War and Peace at the age of 9, so she's no dummy! It's not often that I listen to 30 secs of a dozen songs, and fall in love with every one of them! I think this might be a big talent appearing - but then I've been wrong before..... ;o) Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:44:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday (NJC) << Besides I figured you would like it if more of the Butch contingent on the list wish you a Happy Birthday (RIGHT BOYS??). >> Happy Birthday, Ladybug!!! You bring out the Butch in me! :~) Love, The Goldfish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:03:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC In a message dated 2/12/01 4:31:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Here's a bit of fun! The following link will allow you to see what songs (UK and US) were No. 1 on the day you were born http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html >> Fun site Hell! On the day I was born, the number #1 song in the U.S. was Cyndi Lauper's "True Colors" :~) Jimmy, so young and naive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:17:41 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC Jimmy wrote: > Fun site Hell! On the day I was born, the number #1 song in the U.S. was > Cyndi Lauper's "True Colors" :~) Ah, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.....wishful thinking will take you a long way! If I pretend I'm 29, the news is not pretty. The No. 1 song on the day of my birth was Puppy Love by Donny Osmond. Now what ever happened to the Osmond poster I had on my wall?! And if I pretend I'm 21, it would be Bad Girls by Donna Summer - now that's more appropriate! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:47:21 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC Hell, the American charts didn't even begin until after I was born, but The U.K. number 1 was Don't Let The Stars Get In Your Eyes by Perry Como Rose in NJ getting old ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:03:00 -0600 From: mags Subject: happy birthday nikki NJC to our little sister and dear sweet beauteous friend Nikki, Wishing you love and joy on your special day, always, Mags & Bri xoxoxoxoxooxoxox hugs and kisses...... @@@@@@@----->>>>----->>>>>>------- and roses too - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:18 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Love Me Do NJC Randy wrote: >> the version with studio drummer Andy > > White was the one that went to No. 1 in the states on Tollie > > records. > Trivia : There's another Beatles number one where someone deputised on drums for Ringo. I met him once (sort of). At the airport in New York a limo driver was holding a sign that said "Starr". I turned around and there he was. Nobody else noticed him. I said "Hi Ringo" and the luckiest man in history smiled back at me through clenched teeth. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:32 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Favourites by everybody njc Great list Azeem, but I have to make a few changes. > Bowie - Hunky Dory > Kate Bush - Hounds of Love Beatles - A Hard Day's Night Beach Boys - Friends Big Star - Radio City > Leonard Cohen - Songs Of Leonard Cohen Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Nick Drake - Bryter Layter > Bob Dylan - Another Side Of Bob Dylan Earth Wind and Fire - I Am > Fairport Convention - Unhalfbricking > Aretha Franklin - Aretha Now > Marvin Gaye - What's Goin On Al Green - Belle > Gregson & Collister - The Last Word Tim Hardin - Tim Hardin 2 > Hendrix - Electric Ladyland Kraftwerk - radioactivity > kd lang - Invincible Summer Love - Forever Changes Curtis Mayfield - Curtis > Kate & Anna McGarrigle - First > Laura Nyro - Gonna Take A Miracle > REM - Life's Rich Pagent The Roaches - Speak The Rolling Stones - Their Satanic Majesties Requests Steely Dan - pretzel Logic Sly and the family Stone - There's a Riot Goin On Bridget St John - Ask Me No Questions > Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska > June Tabor - Angel Tiger > Richard Thompson/Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight > Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die Tom Waits - Rain Dogs Scott Walker - scott 4 weather Report - 8.30 > Stevie Wonder - Innervisions ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 05:21:28 -0800 From: "henry llach" Subject: Fred Neil/Joni Mitchell [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] I was wondering if anyoneout there knows about fred neil/joni mitchell relationship, and if there are any versions of joni doing any fred song available. I know that they did the Sacramento benefit in Nov 1976 together, and that Joni backed Fred on the Dolphins. I beleive there is a tape of the joni set. Is there anyone out there whod be willing to trade for it?? Does anyone know if the Fred set was taped as well??? - ------------------------------------------------------------ - --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:30:17 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: happy birthday nikki NJC (md) Theres a massive crowd gathered now outside the offices of CNN. Some scuffling going on as the well wishers jockey for position in hopes that they can just catch a glimpse of the woman whos achievement now dwarfs even Sigourney Weaver's battle with The Alien in the shuttlecraft. Then before anyone can catch their breath she appears in a hologram created by Steven Spielberg. The crowd surges and the chanting begins. Its NIKKI. Shes turned 22. This fantasy has been brought to you by The Stephen Segal Foundation. Cheers. Pop the champaign. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:38:24 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Highlights in vocal expression Thank you for sharing your favourite ones with me, Joni really does her best to show us the meanings of her words.Karin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC i saw jonatha solo at a club in salt lake last year, and she was absolutely INCREDIBLE, no sidekick needed whatsoever. i think she's really come into her own, finding her own power as a solo artist. her live performance was strong, self-assured, and very powerful, and one of the best live shows i've seen in a long time. although, that may change when i see ani difranco and greg brown live at carnegie hall next month. yep kids, i am extremely excited about this one. and at carnegie hall, to boot! should be good. take care all, alison e. in nyc going to try to buy jonatha's new one today... - --- "Christopher J. Treacy" wrote: > Fred, do you happen yo know if Ingrid will be with > Jonatha for the > eventual Steady Pull tour dates? I honestly cannot picture > seeing Jonatha without > sound like shit without Ingrid...) Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:43:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC I saw her last year live for $12 in Clearwater Florida. What a deal! She rocked. But I do think her music is an acquired taste, much like Lucinda Williams. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:46:15 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC Yes the live shows are always a showcase of talent, or at least all have been that I've seen up to this point. I didn't mean to imply that she's not capable without Ingrid, the solo performances I've seen have been superior...just that it limits the repetoire a wee bit without the backup, mainly becuase Ingrid has an uncanny ability to sound off Jennifer Kimball's portion of harmony, enabling them to do a few Story tunes as well. To whomever said they thought they may have seen Jonatha, the acapella song would be "In The Gloaming," one of the handful of resurrected tunes from the Story that Jonatha and Ing do/did so well together. I think Ashara and I may meet up @ Border's tomorrow! -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:59:19 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: HAPPY B-DAY NIKKI! njc hey, happy birthday girlie! i hope you are having a good one. sorry to send this to the list, i can't find your personal email addy! duh! take care, and have one o' them weird ass drinks you like for me! coke and framboise, or grand marnier or something??? alison e. - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > "Oh Nikki you're so fine > you're so fine > you blow my mine > Hey Nikki, hey Nikki" > > Okay, not exactly the right song but the deputy > birthday fairy wants to > everyone to wish Nikki Johnson a H A P P Y B I R T > H D A Y! > To one of our youngest and talented members of the > list, Happy f**king > Birthday Nikki. You're one of my favorite dance > partners!!!! > > Jimmy "Dept. Fife" Stewart Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:17:36 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: absinthe and kids - njc i've really been thinking about this thread. marcel said something to the affect that parents need to be able to show their children not only the beautiful work of art, but also point out the bottle of absinthe sitting on the table in the picture. my 11 year old son went to atlanta last year to see the starry night. i've still not seen it in person but i have prints of it everywhere. so when he came home he was really excited and he said, ..dad, it doesn't look like those prints you have. he said the trees on the left side are really more green, not brown. and there are all these colors mixed inside out, so what looks green may have orange streaked through it and it's really neat. then he said, but dad, i don't get the suicide. what was that all about. and i started to explain slowly...like a little last year, and little this year and more next year and so on, about how hard solitude can be. and how we can get lost in a funnel of depression. and about mental illness that can deceive us. and then there's the absinthe. last year i read some articles in the nyt about absinthe and how now many scholors believe that vincent's depression was at least exaggerated, if not even induced by the drinking of poisonous absinthe. so there you go son,...maybe the grain alchohol was bad. like some bad drugs. it may have fried his brain. the absinthe on the table is important in helping our children to understand life's complexities. we see posts, one even recently, about how hard it is for us to like some artist after we find out something really ugly about them (sammy davis jr.) i think it's even harder for children to understand that. so we have to help them. and to do that, they need to see the details. even if they're not pretty. or if they seem insignificant. or even if some might think we are giving them too much "detail" so as to limit their own individuality. they need to know the depth of what they are seeing. otherwise, they are living in a compromised reality. and that compromised reality can go two ways. one could say...oh i love vincent van gogh and he's so beautiful....but never talk about the shot gun and the wheat field. or one could go the opposite way like i heard someone say recently ...why do you like him,,,nasty depressed creepy guy who blew himself away. i don't think either of those two statements show the complete reality of vincent. i want my son to see vincent's beauty, which he does. and i want him to see his suffering and his loss. becuase they are surely as interwoven and laced and 'streaked' together as his blue and grey and green and orange paints were. like joni said, turbulent indigos. that's probably one of the reasons i like joni so much. i think she's very honest about reality. more than honest, i think she passionately pursues an honest reality. and when i hear her talk now, as a mature woman, i really think that more and more. like on ttt...she said..kiss my ass. but she also said...this is his town and i'm going down. she understands her choices and their consequences. she'd make a hell of a grandmother. patrick np. emmylou and dave matthews- my antonia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:28:12 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Fred Neil/Joni Mitchell I don't know for sure if this is how they met but I suspect it has something to do with them both playing at "The Gaslight" in Coconut Grove, Florida. Fred used to play there a lot and that is where Joni was "discovered" by Crosby. My husband used to go there a lot before we met (and when I was too young) He says he might have even seen Joni there but doesn't remember...so who could not remember Joni??? Aaah, the days of drugs and roses... Phyliss np: Jonatha Brooke, Steady Pull!!!!! henry llach wrote: > > I was wondering if anyoneout there knows about fred neil/joni mitchell relationship ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:35:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC <> Wow! That's gonna rock, Alison! I'm excited for ya'! Does Ani have a new one coming out too? She's overdue! Bob NP: Sam Cooke, "Unchained Melody" (The DEFINITIVE version!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:10:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: ever wrong before? njc Hell said, "I think this might be a big talent appearing - but then I've been wrong before..... ;o)" Boy have I been wrong before! When Madona first appeared I predicted she was a flash in the pan & would disapper forever in a few months. What do I know? ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:10:00 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Re: "More Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell", NJC, Long Thanks Jim. I sent out a post to Ross Porter of the CBC's jazz show "After Hours". He says he will be playing it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Hell, the American charts didn't even begin until > after I was born, but The > U.K. number 1 was Don't Let The Stars Get In Your > Eyes by > Perry Como > Me neither! You know you're old when... what? no hit parade before '56? The No 1 in the UK when I was born was "She Wears Red Feathers" by Guy Mitchell. Never heard of it, nor him - wonder if he's related to Chuck? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:10:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC In a message dated 2/12/01 1:47:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Me neither! You know you're old when... what? no hit parade before '56? The No 1 in the UK when I was born was "She Wears Red Feathers" by Guy Mitchell. Never heard of it, nor him - wonder if he's related to Chuck? >> LOL, and they call us the baby boomers. The nerve of them! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:14:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC <> Guy Mitchell's version of "Singin' The Blues" is a bonafide classic and was a huge hit! One of my favorite songs of all time and one that's always in the back of my head somewhere... "I never felt more like singin' the blues, 'cause I never thought that I'd ever lose your love, baby, Why'd you do me this way?" Bob, slut NP: Cornershop, "We're In Yr Corner" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:55:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC Ah geez, it was "Song From Moulin Rouge" by Mantovani (U.K.) the day/year I was born. In '67 it was "Light My Fire" by the Doors, and last year it was "It's Gonna Be Me" by N Sync. Oh how the years evolve ;-) Kakki > http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/cont/choose.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:11:03 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha njc In a message dated 2/12/01 3:40:48 AM, kate@katebennett.com writes: >I wonder if that is the singer she had with her when I saw her, about 3 >years ago I think. The singer had a really beautiful voice, I remember >being struck by that. I think I remember they sang something acapella & she also >played keyboard? Yes, that would be Ingrid Graudins with the beautiful voice. I introduced her to Jonatha, little matchmaker that I am. >PS I totally agree with you re: Jonatha & Shawn being "of the very few best >singer/songwriters working today " Yeah, and after Jonatha's new one, STEADY PULL, is out tomorrow, Shawn follows with her first new one since the masterpiece A FEW SMALL REPAIRS. It's titled WHOLE NEW YOU and due 3/27. I'm salivating for both. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:32:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Love Me Do NJC Makin' me do my homework, Kakki! Ringo's version was the original 45 on the UK rel. Oct 5, 1962 on Parlophone, however sometime in '63 they switched to the Andy White version, which was the one most people heard in Britain.. In the US, Ringo's version went unreleased until 1980's "Rarities" LP. It is also the one used on the current singles collection CD "Past Masters Vol. 1". The Andy White version is the one on the "Please Please Me" CD, also on the new "1" CD, and the long lost Pete Best one is on "Anthology 1". BTW, the best way to tell them apart is to listen for tambourine; it is only on the Andy White version, played by Ringo. Got that? RR np: Ex-Girlfriend- No Doubt =-we have 2 feet of snow here in the Mendocino Co, N. Cal.~!! Kakki wrote: > Randy, > > I have "Love Me Do" on the Tollie 45. Which album or 45 is Ringo's version > on? > > Thanks, > Kakki > > > Pete Best was the Beatles' drummer when they auditioned for > > Parlophone in 1962. Love Me Do was one of the 4 songs > > recorded for the audition, after which Best was sacked. > > Ringo played on the version that became their first hit in > > the UK, however, the version with studio drummer Andy > > White was the one that went to No. 1 in the states on Tollie > > records. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:08:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Love Me Do NJC Thanks Randy! I had no idea about all these different versions! I certainly don't have the Parlophone 45, but maybe it would be worth looking for out there. I never heard of Andy White, either. Still feel kind of bad for Pete Best. Ringo is really great live - saw him with Billy Preston and the All-Star Band here in around '89 - the highlight for me was Ringo on "Honey Don't". > =-we have 2 feet of snow here in the Mendocino Co, N. Cal.~!! And we have 3 feet of rain here in L.A. ;-( Kakki, moldering ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:42:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC Mine wasn't too shabby...on 09/23/57...a tie between: "That'll Be The Day", by Buddy Holly & The Crickets "Honeycomb", by Jimmie Rodgers Cool! btw, Kakki, have a great trip to the islands! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for a Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar version of a Hejira tune, but will settle for Don Ho singing BSN! :~D Bob NP: Julian Coryell, "Darkman" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:56:11 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: joniart I'm already getting lots of hits though I'm not sure why but I just finished posting all the Joni artwork jpegs I have here in thumnail: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1502641&a=11490692 if you know of any URL's where there is more I don't have here, or have scans you could send me as an attachments, pls write me offlist. ty, pat Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:51:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC > btw, Kakki, have a great trip to the islands! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for a Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar version of a >Hejira tune, but will settle for Don Ho singing BSN! :~D Ha!! Oh no, I have a feeling a Don Ho BSN would be all too easy to find. Hey, we could put it on the "Cheez with Spam" volume ;-) Actually, given the locals love for Joni over there, there just may be a few gems to uncover. Please let me know if you have any Hawaiian artists on the "to find" list. Seems to me Country Comfort did one or two. A huka huka ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:37:00 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #71 "Christopher J. Treacy" wrote: >Fred wrote : "(Disclosure: a friend and musical colleague of mine, Ingrid >Graudins, sang >with her for a few years on record and gigs.)" > > >Fred, do you happen yo know if Ingrid will be with Jonatha for the >eventual Steady Pull tour dates? (not the Border's gigs, which I >understand to be solo.). I honestly cannot picture seeing Jonatha without >her extremely talented sidekick. Don't know. But as great as Ingrid is, as much as she adds to Jonatha's music, Jonatha is spectacular alone ... the music really doesn't suffer at all. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: what's in a name? (NJC) Diane wrote: > I come across some very unusual names in my work, > and I often wonder if it would be justifiable > homicide if a kid took his parents out for horrid > monikers! My last name is Fye, and I've often quipped that -- if not for the "Electra complex" and Cathy-the-comic-strip-character's dog -- I would name my daughter (had I one) Electra Fye. ; ) I told this to a friend's kids, aged 8, 10, and 12 at the time, and they just had a ball with all the variations! It got to the point where we would be driving along, kids in the back seat of my car, and seemingly out of nowhere one of them would blurt out something like ... "Recti! BAHahahahahaha!" Glori Morti Noti Edi Quali Speci(-fye) The list goes on and on (and on)! Feel free to make your own suggestions! Lori in DC Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:32:59 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Kids today (long, boring, and NJC for the most part) Paz, One of the reasons I love this list is the way people express such different perspectives on the same subject! >As far as the kids today "I look like >my mother did, whe i was those kids age". Some days this is my anthem.:-\ >on the urban music issue. I live in the burbs, actually in the swamp, >yet >my kids just tonight, digging in my collection of music, came up >with two >cd's they wanted to listen to. TRU (a Master P project) and >Fiend (another >New orleans rapper). The onlyest (a island word) thing >I DON'T understand >is how these kids identify with the lyrics of this >urban craze. The answer >and the only one that makes sense is the vibe >or the feel. I, too, get the feeling that much of that music is pure libido or rage expressed in a semblance of civility. >Thinking back I don't remember connecting with the lyrics so much I *do!* That's why Joni appealed so much to me 'way back in 68! I've been hooked on her music ever since! >I don't fight it and I don't make a >big deal about it, but it sure makes me crazy when one minute I am >connecting with my brood on a Miles level and then trying to run some >kind >of interference on a Rappers foul langauge cd. As I've heard my parents say in the past, "Damn! These kids don't come with instruction manuals!" As long as we do keep connecting, they will come back to a more calming way of living. >P.S. Maybe you SHOULD have tried the brown acid, hell I did! LOL Don't tell your kids that! from the perpetually confused parental solidarity front, Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:41:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC <> Kakki, I just tapped into a cool database that lists lots of stuff from 'round the world. Check out this CD from Del Beazley called "World's Got To Choose"... The Power is in the Pahu Keawa`ula Bay World's Got to Choose Akebono, Waimanalo Warrior Nane Coconut Funk Wahine Poupou Salomila Kai Hawanawana Big Yellow Taxi*** Kelo! `O Likelike Loose Ends Looks like a Hawaiian artist to me! You have your assignment! ;~) Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Damnation's Cellar" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:46:36 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Top 5 Joni Facts To help "spread the word" to our audiences here in the UK, can I invite you all to share some Joni trivia with us? It can be basic stuff, funny, off the wall or whatever. Kind regards, Clive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:11:53 +0000 From: "dave foers" Subject: Vote for Joni - top vocalist of 20th C. BBC radio in the UK are currently accepting nominations for the Top One Hundred Vocalists of the 20th Century, with a view to producing a count down broadcast in the near future. I thought it would be great if people could vote for her. If interested - you can vote for your personal top three vocalists on the BBC web site at: www.bbc.co.uk - just follow the links to Radio Two which has a further link for votes. Best Wishes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:16:10 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: All this talk about Jonatha now NJC just received this form the Jonatha Brooke mailing list... ************* Hi Everyone: Please join Jonatha as she conducts a LIVE CHAT on amuZnet.com, tomorrow night, Tues., Feb. 13th at 8:00pm EST. For details, go to http://www.amuznet.com/spotlight_chats.asp Also, you can see Jonatha in the following cities where she'll be performing solo acoustic and signing autographs. February 13 - Boston - 12:30 pm Borders Books & Music 10 - 24 School Street Boston, MA 02108 14 - New York - 12:30pm Borders Books & Music 5 World Trade Center Church and Vesey Sts New York, NY 10048 15 - Philadelphia - 7 pm Borders Books & Music Rosemont Shopping Center 1149 Lancaster Ave Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 16 - Washington DC - 8 pm Borders Books & Music 5333 Wisconsin Avenue NW Washington, DC 20015 17 - Ann Arbor - 2 pm Borders Books & Music 612 E. Liberty Ann Arbor, MI 48104 18 - Chicago - 3 pm Borders Books & Music 830 N. Michigan Chicago, IL 60611 20 - San Francisco - 6pm Borders Books and Music 400 Post Street San Francisco, CA 94102 21 - Portland, OR - 5pm Musice Millennium 801 NW 23rd St. at Johnson Portland, OR 22 - Seattle - 1pm Borders Books & Music 1501 Fourth Avenue Seattle, WA 98101 25 - Los Angeles - 1 pm Borders Books & Music 1415 Third Street Promenade Santa Monica, CA 90401 March 4 - Atlanta - 3 pm Borders Books & Music 4745 Ashford-Dunwoody Rd. Dunwoody, GA 30338 5 - Dallas - 7 pm Borders Books & Music 10720 Preston Road Suite 1018 Dallas, TX 7523 - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:31:50 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: HAPPY B-DAY NIKKI! njc I believe she drinks Amaretto and Coke with a Tequila chaser. Tee hee! Paz NP-Here and Gone-Kate Bennett on 2/12/01 8:59 AM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > hey, happy birthday girlie! > i hope you are having a good one. sorry to send this > to the list, i can't find your personal email addy! > duh! > take care, and have one o' them weird ass drinks you > like for me! coke and framboise, or grand marnier or > something??? > alison e. > > --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >> "Oh Nikki you're so fine >> you're so fine >> you blow my mine >> Hey Nikki, hey Nikki" >> >> Okay, not exactly the right song but the deputy >> birthday fairy wants to >> everyone to wish Nikki Johnson a H A P P Y B I R T >> H D A Y! >> To one of our youngest and talented members of the >> list, Happy f**king >> Birthday Nikki. You're one of my favorite dance >> partners!!!! >> >> Jimmy "Dept. Fife" Stewart > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Love Nikki np:Wilco~ She's A Jar "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Paz > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:32 PM > To: Alison E; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: HAPPY B-DAY NIKKI! njc > > > I believe she drinks Amaretto and Coke with a Tequila chaser. Tee hee! > > Paz > > NP-Here and Gone-Kate Bennett > > on 2/12/01 8:59 AM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > > > hey, happy birthday girlie! > > i hope you are having a good one. sorry to send this > > to the list, i can't find your personal email addy! > > duh! > > take care, and have one o' them weird ass drinks you > > like for me! coke and framboise, or grand marnier or > > something??? > > alison e. > > > > --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > >> "Oh Nikki you're so fine > >> you're so fine > >> you blow my mine > >> Hey Nikki, hey Nikki" > >> > >> Okay, not exactly the right song but the deputy > >> birthday fairy wants to > >> everyone to wish Nikki Johnson a H A P P Y B I R T > >> H D A Y! > >> To one of our youngest and talented members of the > >> list, Happy f**king > >> Birthday Nikki. You're one of my favorite dance > >> partners!!!! > >> > >> Jimmy "Dept. Fife" Stewart > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:36:29 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Love Me Do NJC So the Rolling Stone comes today with the Beatles on the cover and stories about all the number one hits on the album, including the story of Love Me Do, which says everything that Randy said so Randy gave us the advance scoop! Great collection of Beatles stories, the whole issue. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:42:20 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Detroit Free Press In today's Detroit Free Press, there is a story on all the corporate names going on to concert venues. At the end of the story, it says that thankfully this trend didn't start many years ago because "by the time we got to Phillip Morris-Woodstock we were half a million strong" would be an atrocity. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:12:45 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC I have never seen Jonatha live before but will get the chance this Thr. night coming up. I am excited and can't wait! I first heard her this summer when I visited Bob (hi Bob!) and finally got one of her CD's last night. I got Angel In The House just randomly cause I figure I will get them all eventually. I don't love every song on it, but I really love most of it. I heard a new song on the radio today too! Live performances for me usually top anything on record anyways so can't wait to see her. Ashara has to go tomorrow too! :-) hehe Love Nikki np:Beck~Tropicalia "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Christopher J. Treacy > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:46 AM > To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu > Cc: alisone4@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Jonatha/Ingrid NJC > > > Yes the live shows are always a showcase of talent, or at least all have > been that I've seen up to this point. I didn't mean to imply that she's > not capable without Ingrid, the solo performances I've seen have been > superior...just that it limits the repetoire a wee bit without the > backup, mainly becuase Ingrid has an uncanny ability to sound off > Jennifer Kimball's portion of harmony, enabling them to do a few Story > tunes as well. To whomever said they thought they may have seen Jonatha, > the acapella song would be "In The Gloaming," one of the handful of > resurrected tunes from the Story that Jonatha and Ing do/did so well > together. I think Ashara and I may meet up @ Border's tomorrow! -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:26:49 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Detroit Free Press - ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince Lavieri > thankfully this trend didn't start many years ago because "by the time > we got to Phillip Morris-Woodstock we were half a million strong" would > be an atrocity. Good one Rev! Although for Joni it would be fitting (and for me as well.) Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:31:20 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: The Michaelangelo story Hey Mr. Bob, Thanks so much for transcribing this Joni story!! (I'm obviously way behind in reading messages.) So Joni herself connected the images on the Sistine Chapel with Michelangelo's clouds, as always with her own personal twist to the connection. Great story, and I'm glad to know I wasn't completely off the mark all these years in connecting those paintings to Joni's lyrics, although even if I had been, well, it wouldn't matter. I would have continued to see those paintings in the lyrics along with hearing Joni's appreciation of the healing and spiritual possibilities of art... where's her outright story about that I wonder. Joni also told a story at the BSN concert in New York City last May about seeing Mr. Magoo in the clouds, uh, pleasing himself. She apparently loves clouds and the pictures she sees in them. Her description of Mr. Magoo's activity was completely crude, which was a very funny surprise from public Joni. I've always been curious... did Joni tell that story at any of her other concerts, or only here in big bad NYC? Debra Shea NP: Kirsty MacColl, _Bad_ with lyrics that make me smile: "Look out world I'm about to be bad." Sounds good to me... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << These are the clouds of Michelangelo > Muscular with gods and sungold > Shine on your witness in the refuge of the roads. >> > > Well, I've been sitting with this message for about a week, waiting for the > time to transcribe an introduction that Joni gives to the song on her '83 > WTRF tour...there are several, this is the one she told to the crowd at > Clarkston Pine Knob, on the 4th of July 1983: > > "A few years ago I was driving along the Gulf of Mexico, and I was coming up > on the Mississippi Delta when I saw a strange cloud formation, and it > reminded me of Michaelangelo...you know the story of Michaelangelo, right? > Well, Michaelangelo, was uh...well, his record company was pretty rough, you > see, he liked to work in white marble, that's what he felt he did best, but > they insisted that he had to do the Sistine Chapel roof. .... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:42:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Michaelangelo story << I've always been curious... did Joni tell that story at any of her other concerts, or only here in big bad NYC? >> Well, I've got all the shows except for one of the MSG's, FL, Atlanta, & Detroit. I was AT the Atlanta show and she didn't tell the Magoo version there. It is also not on the other shows that I have, so it must have been something in the air that night! Bob NP: Ani, "Swing" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:07:37 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: what's in a name? (NJC) My husband's name is Ron Hertz. His mom wanted to name him Richard, but his Dad said, "No son of mine is going to be called Dick Hertz!" Get it? > My last name is Fye, and I've often quipped that -- if > not for the "Electra complex" and > Cathy-the-comic-strip-character's dog -- I would name > my daughter (had I one) Electra Fye. ; ) - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:36:54 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: The Michaelangelo story It's not even on the May 22nd MSG concert tape you have? So the only time she told that sexy story was on the 23rd in New York? Must have been the hot, steamy crowd that rainy night. And since it was a second show in the same place, maybe she felt comfortably at home. It was a good story. Until then I had no idea how much she enjoyed, hmmm, clouds. Debra Shea P.S.: Is there a recording available of the May 23rd concert? Anybody know? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << I've always > been curious... did Joni tell that story at any of her other concerts, or > only here in big bad NYC? >> > > Well, I've got all the shows except for one of the MSG's, FL, Atlanta, & > Detroit. I was AT the Atlanta show and she didn't tell the Magoo version > there. > > It is also not on the other shows that I have, so it must have been something > in the air that night! > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Swing" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:36:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell Bonjour Andri, Oui, I can make a copy of the TNT All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell for you. I will extend this offer to all Canucks under this condition: If you send a blank VHS tape and a return mailing label, I will make a copy of the special for you. When I mail it back, I'll enclose a note, requesting a check, in USA dollars, for the return postage. Just write me off list for details. Jim L'Hommedieu (an American with a French name, no?) - ------------------------------ Andri said, > The All-star tribute to Joni Mitchell wasn't broadcast here ( Montrial, Quibec, Canada) but I found most of the songs on Napsters I'd like to know if someone has taped it on video and if it's possible for me to have a copy ( naturally, I'll pay for the expenses).< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:45:37 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Art- heart or head?,was: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) Well, I agree with everyone on this one. First, the subjectivists. Recently, I was blessed witht the sight of both of my 2 year-old nieces dancing to "moogee" (music). They seemed to understand rhythmn and doo wop perfectly well without instruction. :) On the other hand, I left the Monkees far behind when I took instruction from lit classes, downbeat, and Rolling Stone when I was in high school. Some artists' creations are best appreciated at the cusp between these two extremes. I'm certianly a bigger jazz fan for listening to the critics, seeing the faces of the early players, and hearing their stories while listening to the music. Viva the synergy! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:51:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: what's in a name? (NJC) > My husband's name is Ron Hertz. His mom wanted to name him Richard, but his > Dad said, "No son of mine is going to be called Dick Hertz!" Get it? > > Ok, since Deb has posted that, I will post mine. Probably no-one will believe this but I swear it's true. There was a girl at the University of Northern Iowa in the 70s named Fonda Dicks. I never met this person but I distinctly remember seeing her name in the university directory and also knew a girl who played basketball against Fonda's team in high school. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:53:31 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: joniart > I'm already getting lots of hits though I'm not sure why but I just finished posting all the Joni artwork jpegs I have here in thumnail: > Ok, Pat, how'd that elephant painting make it in there?? LOL Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: No.1 on your birthday - NJC - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Fun site Hell! On the day I was born, the number #1 > song in the U.S. was > Cyndi Lauper's "True Colors" :~ uh, jimmers, your "born-again" birthday doesn't count... how lucky is this...no. 1 on my birthday was: american pie by don mclean. yeah, that explains a lot about me. shut up, paz. alison e. in a rare moment of home computer time. Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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