From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #68 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 068 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- *Pick* the best navel in pop music, NJC, Rated PG (barely) ["Jim L'Hommed] *I had a dream... [RK1THXguy@aol.com] All About Eve njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Sting's kid njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Mikey!!!! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] All About Eve (NJC) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] RE: Joni's music videos ["Deb Messling" ] Re: This JUST in (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's first album ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Sting's kid njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC ["Diane Evans" ] RE: those gosh-darn kids NJC ["Diane Evans" ] RE: those gosh-darn kids NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Sting's kid njc ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Paz (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] R: Fans of Joni ["Domenico Stefanoni" ] R: Joni's music videos ["Domenico Stefanoni" ] Favorites list - NJC [Merk54@aol.com] RE: All About Eve (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Favorites list - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] things-n-stuff [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Favorites list - NJC [Merk54@aol.com] Re: things-n-stuff NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) [mags ] Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: those gosh-darn kids /Sunnytime Soup Debut Show!!!(NJC) ["Victor John] JMDL get-together ["Kakki" ] Al Stewart NJC [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Sting's kid njc [Michael Paz ] Re: *I had a dream... [Michael Paz ] Re: #13` [Michael Paz ] Re: This JUST in (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Sting's kid njc [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL get-together [Michael Paz ] Kids today (long, boring, and NJC for the most part) [Vince Lavieri Subject: *Pick* the best navel in pop music, NJC, Rated PG (barely) Since JMDLers like me are in danger of being left behind, I'm starting a new tradition. To help us old folks keep up with those "wacky, happenin' young people", consider who has the best navel. Who has the best navel in pop music this year? (Note to Muller- it's now 2001, Bob.) Choose only one navel to *pick*. Warning: Don't follow any of these links if you're the sensitive type. There is lots and lots of skin on display so if these photos were rated, they would fall somewhere between PG and R....... Aguilera, Christina (Is it me or does she look like Jody Foster's girl-for-hire character way back in the movie "Taxi"?) http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/bigphoto.asp?gid=252&s=1&e=9&seq=8&cf=834 5 Lopez, Jennifer (Apparently she's now "j-Lo") http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/bigphoto.asp?gid=5343&s=1&e=9&seq=2&cf=82 72 http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/bigphoto.asp?gid=5343&s=1&e=9&seq=4&cf=82 72 Martin, Billy (Can someone provide a link? I'm sure someone will volunteer to look at pictures of Billy for a few minutes.) Britney Spears http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/bigphoto.asp?gid=237&s=1&e=9&seq=6&cf=672 0 http://www.rollingstone.com/photos/bigphoto.asp?gid=5086&s=1&e=9&seq=3&cf=67 20 Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:47:12 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: *I had a dream... ...Joni and Sting co-wrote an hours worth of tunes which they made into an album. Their backing band was all the surviving members of Weather Report and it was co-produces by Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel, with tastefully interspersed muted trumpet solos by Miles that had been sampled from his archives and used posthumously. Am I tripping? Are these the flashbacks they promised me 35 years ago?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:30:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: All About Eve njc Who is the group? A reviewer said I sounded like them but I have never heard or heard of them... Fonimitchell wrote, "All About Eve Touched By Jesus" ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:30:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Sting's kid njc Bob said, "And...get this - Sting's kid just put out a record that blows ALL the Sting stuff outta the water!!" Wow, what is the kid's name? I love Sting's Turtle album too. ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 01:30:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mikey!!!! njc Way to go Mikey!!! What a cool thing to do with your kids!!! Paz said, "We are celebrating that Mikey was accepted into the Jazz Band in 5th-8th grade (one of three trombones). We are hanging in the studio listening to Miles Davis Sketches of Spain record and talking about music." ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:48:14 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: All About Eve (NJC) Hi everyone. Several enquiries about All About Eve (who I'm going to see tonight at Birmingham Symphony Hall with Fairport Convention). Their web site is: www.julianneregan.net Any fan of lady singers should hear Julianne - you're in for a treat! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:08:30 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni's music videos I know of four Joni videos. Three are more or less concert videos. The fourth is a compilation of studio-made videos: "Come in from the Cold," which has videos of Lakota, Beat of Black Wings, Night Ride Home, Come in from the Cold, Nothing Can Be Done, Two Grey Rooms, and a really cute video for Dancin' Clown, with Joni dancing around in her pajamas with her cat. A few other videos are available via the video tree organized by Ashara: How Do You Stop, My Secret Place, Good Friends and a fragment of Shiny Toys. I believe "Come in from the Cold" is out of print. There happens to one for sale on Ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409116533 - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:32:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) << We are celebrating that Mikey was accepted into the Jazz Band in 5th-8th grade (one of three trombones). We are hanging in the studio listening to Miles Davis Sketches of Spain record and talking about music. >> That's great, Michael!! I know you're excited for him (college scholarship) that all of his work (college scholarship) is paying off (college scholarship) and that he shares your love of music (college scholarship). ;~) My nephew plays the trombone as well...last year for Christmas I got him a music book with rock songs in it, one was "Smoke On The Water"...I told him I'd especially want to hear THAT one! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:39:11 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni's first album I've heard that the latest release of Joni's first album on CD has a much better sound than the original release. Did they really clear up the "bell jar" quality? Is it worth replacing my current copy? - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:44:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sting's kid njc << Wow, what is the kid's name? I love Sting's Turtle album too. >> Good question, Kate...all I got was a copy of it with "Santa's Boyfriend" written on it and an e-mail saying it was Sting's son. Well, I didn't need that note because the first nanosecond you hear the vocals you're gonna swear on your great granny's grave that it's the Sting, dispensing with his current trend towards rubbish (albeit million-selling rubbish) and rocking out "Outlando's D'Amor" style. I did a couple of searches on the album title but couldn't turn up anything. Maybe it hasn't been released yet. Maybe the "Santa" who sent me "Santa's Boyfriend" can tell us more! All *I* can tell you is that it hasn't come out of my CD changer in 2 weeks... Bob PS: Congrats on the webcast! I wasn't able to hook up but I was cheering you on! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:24:41 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC Lama, You wrote: >It doesn't even matter if they *like* what you play. They are as sleepers >and you are serenading them with sounds of a larger world. Right, you are! I always tell them (with a wink and a wicked grin) that they may be about to experience a revelation, an epiphany, and a whole new world to explore. I also tell them it's okay if they don't like what they hear, because they will then have an *informed* opinion about the type of music, not just a generational / blind response. Also: >ps. Are they ready for "The Jungle Line"? Cool drums (although not >Japanese). Anti-drug slant..... Just a thought. I usually hit them with this toward the end of the quarter, when they're accustomed to being hit with "weird stuff." :-D Inevitably, some really like it and can't believe Joni does such "cool" stuff. All of them seem to like it a whole lot more than the Tibetan monks chanting, although the chants work well on, shall we say, creative gestation days. LOL Thanks for the support! Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:46:50 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: RE: those gosh-darn kids NJC Bob, Are these *visual* mondegrens?? >Speaking of those gosh darn kids, this week's Newsweek has a photo of >Robert Downey Jr. on the cover with the words "Addiction Problems" (or > >some such). >My son pointed at those words and looked at me saying "Joni Mitchell!!" >I had to laugh! I love watching their brows wrinkle up when I introduce my students to Raphael's madonnas. One student recently asked, "How old _is_ she?" Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:57:21 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: RE: those gosh-darn kids NJC Nikki, Thanks for the vote of support! A lot of my fellow teachers shake their heads, especially at student-choice [of music] day, but I firmly feel it helps kids build an understanding of how to work well with others even if you don't see eye-to-eye. It keeps me versed in their world, too! ;-) I also think it's a natural mirror of visual art. Music makes the students more receptive to the experience of things they don't understand and aren't particularly interested in learning. *My* goal is to get them to like learning, inspite of themselves! BW Diane >Diane, >I just wanted to say that I think this is really great...I guess I may >still >be considered a kid at 21...but I remember in 8th grade I had a teacher who >did this and it was my favorite part of the class. She brought in Paul >Simon, and world music and if my memory wern't so bad I could remember the >others, but it was great exposure to great music. I remember her playing "I >Am A Rock" and being really struck by it because I felt like that so many >times in school since I was listening to Harry Chapin and I think I had >discovered Joni by then but often felt like that song. I was never doing >things people my age were supposed to be doing...lol. I just wanted to say >keep doing this cause I remember how much it meant to me. >Love Nikki _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:26:54 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Sting's kid njc ><< Wow, what is the kid's name? LOL Could it be "Stung?" Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:35:48 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Paz (md) In a message dated 2/9/01 6:42:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: << PLEASE JACK! You don't want me to tell any stories about you mud wrestling those chicks down on Bourbon St. Or any number of OTHER stories I could tell. Love Paz >> If thats all Jack did, then thats commendable. Better that he wrestled Gators'. ?? marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:45:01 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) It occurs to me that before you can get kids to listen to music (any music) it is important to first teach them how to listen and what to listen for. Its like going to an art show. You see all these beautiful paintings. But until the tour guide tells you that the bottle on the table behind the subject is absynth which the artist was addicted to in real life on can not hope to fully appreciate the painting. Just a thought. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:25:06 +0100 From: "Domenico Stefanoni" Subject: R: Fans of Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fans of Joni > In a message dated 2/9/01 1:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, domstef@tin.it > writes: > > << i wish to be fans of joni mitchell but i have to much mailing i wish talk > with fans of joni but no mailing thanks > >> > Welcome! you can talk to me anytime Domenico. Are you from Italy? Sure wish > you would stick around a while though. If you don't want email, then you > should unsubscribe. > Chow, > Rose in NJ > who by the way is Italian too ;~) > third generation > > Rose in NJ > i living in norh italy i am photografers i like joni because she speak about her and she so original i hear your music since 1976 i play joni mitchell song with my guitar my prefer songs are all i wanted amelia refuge of the roads car on hills court and sparks the circle game blue hejra and court and spark are my prefer c.d. i like the original way to play guitar in all i wanted tell me your preferite song and c.d. and why i like u.s.a. thank you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:47:56 +0100 From: "Domenico Stefanoni" Subject: R: Joni's music videos - ----- Original Message ----- From: Janine Sherman To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Joni's music videos > Do unto others as you would like done to you > Janine Sherman@netrax.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janine Sherman > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:40 PM > Subject: Joni's music videos > > > > (2/9/01) > > The Juno Awards will be broadcast across Canada on March 4, with Joni's > Both > > Sides Now up for an award in the "Best Vocal Jazz Album" category. The > Juno > > nominations were announced on January 27. Not long after the CD was > released > > last year, Joni sat down with interviewer Jana Lynne White for an > hour-long > > interview on the popular "Speak Easy" program, broadcast on Canada's Much > > More Music channel. Follow the link below for Andrew Ritchie's complete > > transcription of the interview. > > > > THE "SPEAK EASY" INTERVIEW > > > > I just read this interview on www.jonimitchell.com > > and it has frequent mentions of viewing clips from Joni's music videos. > > Does anyone have copies of these or know how to access them? (esp. Lakota) > > Thanks for any info. on this. If you haven't read the interview, it is > very > > well done. > > Janine Sherman@netrax.net > i am italian boy i hear joni since 1976 i wish talk about joni with you what are your prefer songs about joni a like u.s.a thanks you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:44:33 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Favorites list - NJC Azeem, Interesting list - But how can you mention June Tabor, and not mention Maddy Prior - their Silly Sisters albums are classics! Plus a second reference to Camel! What a diverse group we have here. On the XTC front, I agree that Black Sea is great, and irresistable, but not even an honorable mention for Oranges and Lemons? Okay, here's my take, in no particular order Bruce Cockburn - In the Falling Dark (Humans a close second) Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town (hmmm - 2 Bruce's, both with Dark in the title?!?) Bob Dylan - Time Out of Mind (Imagine Joni writing something with the depth of Hejira, today! - Yikes, I could be in hot water for that comment!) Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (Madman Across the Water when I'm in a more serious mood) Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense (the original release - better version of Psycho Killer!) Beatles - Let It Be (Just kidding, Sgt. Peppers) Joni - Hejira (or Blue, or For the Roses, or DJRD, or HOSL, or MOA, or SAL, or CAS, etc., etc.) Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (Ha! You figure it out!) (Actually, the melted face one) Steeleye Span - Below the Salt (Parcel of Rouges or All Around My Hat a very close 2nd and 3rd) Maddy Prior and June Tabor - Silly Sisters (The first one) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Steve Earle - I Feel Alright (Transcendental Blues minus The Boy Who Never Cried would probably have won) Emmylou Harris - Wrecking Ball Sinead O'Connor - Faith and Courage (Took a while, but this one really gets under the skin) Gentle Giant - In a Glass House (Great Progress Rock - One of my fav's from that era) Strawbs - From the Witchwood (Another Classic from days gone by) Al Stewart - Past, Present and Future (A much overlooked masterpiece) Joan Armatrading - What's Inside (This was really tough - Merchant of Love pushed this one over the top) Roy Harper - Bullinamingvase ("Maybe it's the job of rolling spliffs for Captain Kirk, or giving Miss Lovelace a pubic hairdo" - ah, they just don't write lyrics like that anymore) Tom Waits - Mule Variations (House Where Nobody Lives, Georgia Lee - 'nough said) Beck - Midnite Vultures (Party on, Wayne!) Laurie Anderson - Strange Angels David Bowie - Scary Monsters (Teenage Wildlife is the ultimate Bowie song) World Party - Goodbye Jumbo XTC - Oranges and Lemons (Their White Album - Black Sea a very close second - their Sgt Peppers) This was pretty fun - I now know what I'll be listening to all weekend! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:04:23 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: All About Eve (NJC) > Several enquiries about All About Eve (who I'm going to see tonight at > Birmingham Symphony Hall with Fairport Convention). > Their web site is: > www.julianneregan.net Wow I had no idea they were still going! Basically, for those looking to attach a genre to AAE, I'd put them somewhere in the area of folk, goth & rock. Lots of haunting melodies combined with some rock music, some lovely twiddly acoustic guitar work, some orchestral backing, and so on. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:07:57 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) I must totally disagree with you, Marcel. "Art" must be appreciated on a pre-discussion level, an emotional level, an abstract level, a sensual level---call it what you will. There's gotta be a pleasure, a thrill a recognition, a connection--even if it can not be put into words. "Understanding" as you appear to be using it, cannot substitute for this immediate connection, although it can provide a different kind of (I would say secondary) pleasure. I believe a child, or anyone else, responds when a work fills a need ('though the perceiver probably would not use the word "need" to explain why he/she is turned on). I can't think of a less helpful way of introducing a child to art than one which implicitly tells the child that appreciation is unsatisfactory if the child is unaware of the "facts" surrounding the work. Yours in collegial (but total) disagreement DL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:30:23 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites list - NJC << On the XTC front, I agree that Black Sea is great, and irresistable, but not even an honorable mention for Oranges and Lemons? >> I love it too, Jack...like Joni, I could make a case for ANY of XTC's works. But I DO have to admit that "Here Comes President Kill Again" is a total loser! Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "Didncha Know" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: things-n-stuff Lots of little things to comment on... re: Bob, who also enjoys XTC's discussion list along with our JMDL buddy Tyler! I knew I coulden't be the only person on both lists! Joni actually is mentioned quite a bit on the XTC list. Maybe the connection is an appretiation of well written songs. RE: the Talking Heads debate I listed Remain in Light as their best, but I must admit that Fear of Music is my personal favorite. Why? Don't know. It was the first of their lp's I bought, but it's more than that. It seems a transitional album, musically and chronologically between More Songs about Buildings and Food and Remain in Light. But it's more than that too. Interesting lyrically as well-probably the most paranoid record I've ever heard! The person who mentioned the Robert Rauchenberg package to Speaking in Tongues-I have one of those, too (not autographed), but mine hasn't aged well. The plastic has yellowed and turned a little brittle, and the revolving discs have popped off of the cover. I do think that is one of the best and most original record covers I have ever seen. Probably helps that I love Talking Heads and am a huge fan of Rauchenberg's work. Someone mentioned wanting a Doug Kershaw live lp. Have you tried GEMM? http://www.gemm.com/ It is basically a searchable database of used record stores' inventory. Hundreds of stores, I've found several hard to find things there. Disclosure: I don't work for nor do I have any financial interest in GEMM. Just a satisfied customer. One last thing: Anyone interested in trading crdr's/tapes, check out my tradelist http://www.mindspring.com/~t.hewitt/tradelist.html It's always growing, so check periodically, and let me know if you're intersted in trading. Tyler Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:56:58 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorites list - NJC In a message dated 2/10/01 12:30:23 PM Central Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > But I DO have to admit that "Here Comes President Kill Again" is a total > loser! > > Okay, Bob, I'll grant you it's not one of their best, but later in my post I did compare Oranges and Lemons to the Beatle's White Album, and that has the unlistenable Revolution 9! It's nice to see there is an XTC audience out there. Jack NP - Sgt Rock (Is Going to Help Me) - Taking time out from typing to dance around the room! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:19:38 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: things-n-stuff NJC In a message dated 2/10/01 1:52:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, tahewitt@yahoo.com writes: << The person who mentioned the Robert Rauchenberg package to Speaking in Tongues-I have one of those, too (not autographed), but mine hasn't aged well. I do think that is one of the best and most original record covers I have ever seen. Probably helps that I love Talking Heads and am a huge fan of Rauchenberg's work. >> Hi Tyler, I posted about the limited edition of the "Speaking In Tongues" album, and the cover on mine has yellowed too but it hasn't diminished it's value. The one that I saw auctioned off for $4500 a couple of years was also yellowed. I do like the cover, but I'm not a big fan of his work. Since he is a local celebrity, I have a few pieces of his work but for investment purposes only. I've partied with him a number of times and he still is good friends with David Byrne. I may not understand his work, but he's certainly an interesting man. Jimmy (in Ft. Myers, FL) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:09:06 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > < it is important to first teach them how to listen and what to listen for. Its > like going to an art show. You see all these beautiful paintings. But until > the tour guide tells you that the bottle on the table behind the subject is > absynth which the artist was addicted to in real life on can not hope to > fully appreciate the painting. Just a thought. marcel>> what worked for us: When my daughter Mimi was a young girl, I used to take her hiking, to the library, to hear the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, we took in jazz too....we went to see the National Ballet company perform, she saw lots of plays at Stratford, Ontario.... her life was filled naturally with the things I loved to do I suppose..... well lots of cultural things as it were. I didnt tell her how to listen to music or how to see art...or how to interpret things the way I saw it or the way something was 'meant' to be seen. I just let it happen to her. I stood back and watched her. I learned from her as she absorbed it, embraced it, was moved to the core of her sweet little soul by it in whatever way she felt it in that moment of innocence. Telling her what to see just didnt sit well with me... kinda reminds me of the Harry Chapin tune when the kid goes off to kindergarten and wants to paint everything in lots of different colours and the teacher tells him he cant do that...he has to paint flowers in only red and green because thats the way flowers are. my point is that I would never interrupt her process of discovering beauty, be that through music or art. For me, "feeling" music and art is the way inside it. Same goes for standing on Peggy rocks on the south shore of Nova Scotia before a most glorious sunset. I dont want anyone to tell me what I am seeing....I want to figure it out for myself. I want to feel that sunset all the way down inside my soul. as always, in my most humble opinion Mags - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:22:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC Diane, It's teachers like you who will be the most remembered and appreciated by their students. I think those fellow-teachers who shake their head are just disgruntled they didn't think of it first! ;-) > Thanks for the vote of support! A lot of my fellow teachers shake their > heads, especially at student-choice [of music] day, but I firmly feel it > helps kids build an understanding of how to work well with others even if > you don't see eye-to-eye. It keeps me versed in their world, too! ;-) After reading this I immediately had a vision of those kids growing up to respectfully debate the merits of Hejira vs. For The Roses on the JMDL in the year 2025 ;-D > I also think it's a natural mirror of visual art. Music makes the students > more receptive to the experience of things they don't understand and aren't > particularly interested in learning. *My* goal is to get them to like > learning, inspite of themselves! I'm positive that goal is being accomplished for them. Applause, applause to you. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:09:02 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids /Sunnytime Soup Debut Show!!!(NJC) There's gotta be a pleasure, a thrill a > recognition, a connection--even if it can not be put into words. I cannot adequately put into words the thrill I experienced last night as we pulled off an extremely successful cd release party/humane society benefit for Sunnytime Soup, the childrens cd that Holley cowrote and produced. I have never believed more in anything, and I am so thankful to be part of something so magical and amazing and really feel that she is forging ahead with something that will make a big impact on the quality of music for children. After last night I am really starting to believe! We were in this nice cushy auditorium at the Kids R Kids headquarters in Gwinnet County. Just about 7:30 pm, a half hour before showtime people started pouring in. I believe there must have been a turnout of around 125-150 people. I was running sound...the two front rows were filled with kids(all ages 6-12) and I had been spinning some songs by Sting, Peter Gabriel, Indigo Girls, Bob Marley before the show started and one little girl said, " Do you have any cool music? Could you play some Britney Spears?"..."No, sorry...don't have any"...I love playing dj! Anyway, everything went so smoothly. There was an incredible vibe that seemed to permeate throughout the audience and all the performers. Everybody was enjoying themselves. I got to perform my dog song( a song I wrote where you get to pretend you're a dog and say "woof, woof, woof" which has been a big hit so far). The music from the cd, I could really see that it was making a connection with these kids and that they obviously felt a thrill, a pleasure, a connection...the songs promote some good values but they're also killer songs that are fun, and recorded so professionally. We received a really nice writeup from Creative Loafing Atlanta(you can access it at http://www.cln.com ) and so far that we know of we have been reviewed by magazines in Ventura County, Boise, West Palm Beach, and the School Library Journal. I really feel that this is just the start of something that is going to take off. You can check out Sunnytime Soup at http://www.kiddycat.com , it's available at Amazon, or can be ordered by calling 1-877-746-9228. Victor, still on an incredible high Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:54:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: JMDL get-together Clark, Stephen and Rusty from New York and I are getting together for dinner, martinis and other fun at Les Deux Cafes in Hollywood next Saturday night. We'd love to have any local or visiting JMDL'ers join us! Please let me know if you are interested (come out, come out you lurkers and newbies ;-) and I will give you more details. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:20:38 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Al Stewart NJC In a message dated 2/10/01 3:07:37 PM Central Standard Time, m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us writes: > What about Al Stewart's Time Passages? If past, present, and future > is anything close to that then I must have it. Was that released > before or after? > > Mike > > > Mike, Past, Present and Future was released well before Time Passages, and they are pretty different. Time Passages is a slicker, more produced, pop album (and I mean in the best possible sense - as in Court and Spark). PPF is more accoustic - in fact it has some of my favorite accoustic guitar playing - Roads to Moscow, and Nostradamus especially. Stylistically, PPF would be more in the vein of For the Roses or Blue. I'm not trying to compare Al's albums to Joni's - they are extremely different, I'm just trying to explain the style differences between TP and PPF. For my complete Al Stewart recommendation - I would list PPF as first, Modern Times as second, Year of the Cat as third, and Time Passages as fourth. PPF and MT are both very accoustic, while YOTC and TP are more polished - the last two both produced by Alan Parsons. I hope this helps, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Sting's kid njc on 2/10/01 6:26 AM, Diane Evans at diquintevans@hotmail.com wrote: >> << Wow, what is the kid's name? > > LOL Could it be "Stung?" > > Diane > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Joe Mendez ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:26 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: *I had a dream... If not it was one of my wet dreams! Paz(always salacious) on 2/10/01 1:47 AM, RK1THXguy@aol.com at RK1THXguy@aol.com wrote: > ...Joni and Sting co-wrote an hours worth of tunes which they made into an > album. Their backing band was all the surviving members of Weather Report and > it was co-produces by Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel, with tastefully > interspersed muted trumpet solos by Miles that had been sampled from his > archives and used posthumously. Am I tripping? Are these the flashbacks > they promised me 35 years ago?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:29 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: #13` Oh Yeah! While it's a really different feel than the live album, I really liked it. I have listened to it 3 times now and I do love it. I also finished going thru #13 and there are some really cool ones on this volume. I like Buddy Holly and Marfred Mann and Chaka of course is wonderful and Bette are the stand outs for me. Paz NP-Apples and Bananas-Robin E.(ihear this in my sleep now) on 2/9/01 8:34 PM, Phyliss Ward at pward@datacourse.com wrote: > I received Jonatha's new one yesterday and to quote my favorite N'awlin's > guy... > OH MY GAWD!!!! > > Michael Paz wrote: > >> Bob- Thanks so much for #13 which arrived, but Jonatha arrived too and i am >> feeling like being bad tonight and listening to it first. >> >> So much music >> so little time >> >> Cheatin Paz >> >> NP-New Dress-Jonatha with Neil Finn > > -- > Phyliss > mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:16 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: This JUST in (NJC) on 2/10/01 4:32 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << We are celebrating that Mikey was accepted into the Jazz > Band in 5th-8th grade (one of three trombones). We are hanging in the studio > listening to Miles Davis Sketches of Spain record and talking about music. >> > > That's great, Michael!! I know you're excited for him (college scholarship) > that all of his work (college scholarship) is paying off (college > scholarship) and that he shares your love of music (college scholarship). ;~) > > My nephew plays the trombone as well...last year for Christmas I got him a > music book with rock songs in it, one was "Smoke On The Water"...I told him > I'd especially want to hear THAT one! :~) > > Bob > LOL> Oh my Gawd, we had fun last night. Thanks to everyone for all the good wishes. He has a great teacher and they are doing all kinds of music including Another One Bites The Dust. We got pretty crazy with the Miles Davis last night and ended up listening to Bitches Brew and jamming along. Anyways Bob, from your mouth to God's ears (OR the scholarship board). Paz NP-Willoughly-Robin E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Sting's kid njc This ep came from one of my engineers that was out on tour with the Funky Meters and they did a few dates with Santas Boyfriend. I don't know if this is available in the US or not. I also did a search cause I wanted to buy a "real" copy of it. I will let you know when I hear something else regarding this band. Paz NP-Hats For Sale-Robin E. on 2/10/01 4:44 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << Wow, what is the kid's name? I love Sting's Turtle album too. >> > > Good question, Kate...all I got was a copy of it with "Santa's Boyfriend" > written on it and an e-mail saying it was Sting's son. Well, I didn't need > that note because the first nanosecond you hear the vocals you're gonna swear > on your great granny's grave that it's the Sting, dispensing with his current > trend towards rubbish (albeit million-selling rubbish) and rocking out > "Outlando's D'Amor" style. > > I did a couple of searches on the album title but couldn't turn up anything. > Maybe it hasn't been released yet. > > Maybe the "Santa" who sent me "Santa's Boyfriend" can tell us more! All *I* > can tell you is that it hasn't come out of my CD changer in 2 weeks... > > Bob > > PS: Congrats on the webcast! I wasn't able to hook up but I was cheering you > on! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:41:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL get-together on 2/10/01 1:54 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Clark, Stephen and Rusty from New York and I are getting together for > dinner, martinis and other fun at Les Deux Cafes in Hollywood next Saturday > night. We'd love to have any local or visiting JMDL'ers join us! Please > let me know if you are interested (come out, come out you lurkers and > newbies ;-) and I will give you more details. > > Kakki > Do you guys have any frequent flyer miles you can send me so I can come??? Wish I could be there. I'll leave my cell phone on Kakki, in case there is a Joni moment again. You guys have fun! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:57:46 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Kids today (long, boring, and NJC for the most part) What follows is long and boring but has nothing parisan and political to offend anyone. For the thread about young people, "those gosh-darn kids" and the state of music today and such things: I think that the musical question, "What's the matter with kids today" was first asked forty years ago by Dick Van Dyke on Broadway referring to Conrad Birdie, in the play "Bye Bye Birdie." I have to admit that my tastes in music are probably very pedestrian as opposed to most of those in the JMDL. My latest cd purchases include Matchbox 20's newest one and the Baha Men with "Who Let the Dogs Out." There are a lot of discussions in the JMDL about artists who I have never heard of, let alone heard; to this day I have no idea who Jonatha Brooke actually is, just that I've seen her name a lot. However, I can sing all the words to Britney Spears' "Opps I did it again." So my musical opinions are questionable. However: today I got my DVD version, the director's cut, of "Woodstock." The additional footage includes Janis Joplin singing "Work Me Lord" and that alone to me was worth the price of the DVD. My twenty-something neighbors who live above me in this apartment building probably have been bored listening to "Woodstock" through my ceiling/their floor. But who cares... And it has been a wonderful afternoon listening to/watching the DVD. Brings back a lot of memories, not of Woodstock per se for me because at the last minute I decided not to talk my best friend into driving to New York from Chicago because I was 17, the age of majority was 21, and I figured my parents would have called the state police to have my best friend arrested. And I am still sure that they would have. Those were very different days back then. But I do have memories of our tribal, generational; gatherings in the movie theaters to see "Woodstock" the movie, the weekends in Lincoln Park ("Saturdays, in the park, everyday the 4th of July" or however the group 'Chicago' phrased it) with all the street scenes, music in the park, free street theater, Old Town, the counter-culture, all that good stuff. To be young then was almost a political statement. And we were political. Marching against the war and for civil rights, draft resistance, boycotting grapes to support the farm workers, the first Earth Day, whatever it was, there was always a sense that we were a part of something bigger than ourselves. We had a sense of being part of something "half a million strong" and more. I feel sorry that today's young people have nothing like a Woodstock, nothing that can be a single, identifiable event that defines a generation. Our touchstones were many. The Beatles alone gave us that first appearance on Ed Sullivan, the release of Sgt. Pepper's, the release of the White Album... we had Motown, rock opera Tommy, Jesus Christ Superstar, tie-dye, bells (bell bottom jeans, which were cool to wear!), grass, the moon landing, all kinds of things that we all shared. Music was much more exciting then, I think, certainly much less racially inhibited than today. Woodstock the movie, I like to point out, opens with first performer Richie Havens, big middle is Sly and the Family Stone, ends with Jimi Hendrix. Could a Lalapalooza or Lilith Fair - and I think both have died - opened, middled, and closed, with African American artists and still get all the white kids? Other than rap, music today is quite segregated (which may be one reason that I like rap). But is it the music, or is it the culture? I sure would not want to go back to those days, though. The late 60s and early 70s were bad times. For a generation that was impacted by the assassination of JFK, our touchstones the assassinations of Martin Luther King, of Bobby Kennedy, the murder of the civil rights workers in Philadelphia, Mississippi, the shooting of Medger Evers, the blowing up of the five girls in Sunday School in Birmingham, Alabama... the war in Viet Nam, the invasion of Cambodia, the protest of that which resulted in Kent State... 58,000 American dead, 3,000,000 estimated Vietnamese deaths... ours were not the good old days. Not every day was a song and a celebration. That is why we did dream of the bombers riding shotgun in the skies turning into butterflies above our nation. And we did not live in the good old days of music, either. For all the knocking of Britney Spears (Leslie Gore was what exactly, high art?), N'Sync and boy bands (and what, please, were the Monkees if not the first boy band marketed for teen age girls?) ... knocking Ricky Martin (meanwhile, Ricky Nelson was only on tv for high art reasons, not a commercial ploy to get ratings for a situation comedy) ... in our days were songs like "Gimme that ding" which made the top ten in 1970, a major artistic statement as opposed to Top 40 music today. Music in any day always has its mix of good and bad, high and low, art and camp. What exactly is wrong with a Britney Spears who turns out nothing more than good pop? She makes great songs to do aerobics to, that I know. Is she bad compared to Rosemary Clooney, Doris Day, Diana Ross, Dionne Warwick (with and without the "e" at the end of her name), Donna Summers, and any other female pop stars of their days? Are Backstreet Boys somehow worse than Jan and Dean? Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel gave us both "The Boxer" - great art - and "59th Street Bridge Song (Feeling Groovy)" - a nauseating song. How heavy are the Lovin' Spoonful compared to 98 Degrees? Are you one of those people whose taste today is oh so refined and sophisticated while you deny that your first musical fave was Bobby Sherman or David Cassidy? In every generation there is both good and bad, pop and art, at the same time. All the lines that we draw are artificial. It is only a matter of our perspective that blinds us and defines us. I remember watching Joe Cocker when "Woodstock" was first released in 1970 and thinking how old and wasted he looked. Today watching the movie, I look at him and think, hey, I used to be that young! Were any of us ever as young as Arlo Guthrie looks in that movie? (and I thought he was an older, mature role model then!) Stills and Crosby each weighed less than a stage amplifier then! Life has changed. Country Joe doing the "Fish Cheer" (gimme an F! gimme a U! gimme a C! gimme a K!) was the use of an obscene word to describe an obscene war. Abbie Hoffman got beaten and arrested for writing that word on his forehead and it was justified by the Chicago police because, what if our mothers actually saw that word, all that was pure and holy would collapse. It was shockingly freeing to say that word in those contexts. Now the word is everywhere. Which is better? I know that 30 years from now, my DVD will be obsolete technology and if I am not dead - and I for one still hope I die before I get old - my generation will all be in the elderly hostels and will we sky be kissing the sky? The 18 year olds of today will be my age looking back and fondly remembering how much better music was in 2001 than in 2031, how much better it was then than now. And a generation yet to come will be 18 then and look at today's 18 year olds and think how old and passe they have become. I wish that the hopes we had in Woodstock did come true, as much as I wish that the Age of Aquarius had actually dawned when we hair, long beautiful hair. I wish that love and peace and music, and nothing love and peace and music, had come out of our generation. Janis and Jimi were dead within 14 months of Woodstock from drug overdoses, Crosby did time, Joan Baez and David got divorced, Arlo is in a religious community, Country Joe has a website where he talks of his old days with Janis, and I'd sure like to know what happened to all those kids in the documentary. All old like Country Joe and me and talking about old times on the internet? Woodstock the movie brings a reminder of the cycles of life. First there was rock and roll, all hip and cool and rebellious, then there was Sha Na Na, a hip and cool and funny look back at the good old days, and then there was a syndicated tv show and it all became mainstream and meaningless. In a few years some bands will be doing the Sha Na Na thing except it will celebrate Christine Aguilera and boy bands... and a lot of people will think that is fun and enjoy it. And for Eminem, maybe the anger in his songs is something we should try to understand, which frankly I still don't, although I recognize an Amadeus quality there, which is how can someone be so musically gifted and yet be fill his music with such hostility? It is cuter to think of Amadeus as Tom Hulce playing Mozart and making classical music, but the Eminem to Amadeus parallel does apply at some levels, I think. The guy has got pure and intense talent and yet he is personally objectionable. Why did God give musical talent to someone like him and not to a nice guy like me? Eminem's music deserves all those Grammy nominations, although I find his lyrics very disturbing and distasteful. But instead of blanket condemnations, I am trying to figure out what is the cause of all that anger... because to dismiss Eminem as hateful and refuse to listen to what he has to say is wrong. We may not like what he says, but what has our society done to produce lyrics like those? Although maybe his music has no meaning, maybe Eminem has achieved ultimate rock and roll bliss. After all, the primary purpose of rock and roll is to upset your parents. Eminem has upset us, and maybe that is all he is about, which is why he signed a contract to sell his posters at the Wal-Mart with the same company that sells Britney Spears posters. However, when a teen ager tells me that Eminem says it all for him, as I hear frequently, it does raise some very real issues: have we become so self-indulged as a culture that we have neglected our children, instead of teaching our children that their hell will slowly go by? Did we feed them on the wrong dream? Were we too busy doing our own thing and doing our own drugs that we have a generation of Marshall Mathers or Slim Shadys coming along? Can anyone who takes seriously David Crosby singing "It's Been a Long Time Coming" not take the time to listen to listen to what is being said by music whose revolutionary nature disturbs us? I don't know the answers to those questions. But I do know this: every time we condemn the kids and knock the music of today as opposed to the better music of our youth, we are saying the same things that our parents said about us, and it was/is wrong both times. When we think about the kids today, maybe we shouldn't criticize what we don't understand. Maybe we have gotten old and do need a weatherman to tell us which way the wind is blowing. Times, they are a'changin', and if we stopped turning our good old days into what we think are hip memories, but really just our version of Lawrence Welk music to take us into our old age, we might notice that the kids today, the kids are alright. (the Rev) Vince, who is watching Woodstock again, and who always heeded the advice to not do the brown acid but who will never discuss coming into Los Angeles bringing in a couple of keys, don't touch my bags if you please, Mr. Customs man... and who also got today "The Pajama Game" with John Raitt, Bonnie's father, in the lead... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #68 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?