From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #63 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 063 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- riding the train through Saskatoon ["Gregg Cagno" ] Re: Painting with Word misprint? ["hell" ] Re: Eric Johnson Tour (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: The Michaelangelo story ["hell" ] Re: New S.Nicks song NJC ["hell" ] unreleased songs, again ["Deb Messling" ] Re: mathematic circuits [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Jonatha Brooke CD (NJC) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: unreleased songs, again [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Jethro Tull NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Jethro Tull NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: unreleased songs, again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] was The Return of the . . . well, me. now A Case of Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.co] Re: Painting with Word misprint? [Jerry Notaro ] Deb M , Chuck M was a FolkRex ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Tull/Kate's B. day (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] re: Highlights in vocal expression ["c Karma" ] Re: Grace and Joni ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Grace and Joni ["Neil E. Orts" ] Re: Grace and Joni ["Neil E. Orts" ] Kate's rebroadcast Web cast at the top of the hour, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu] Fwd: Jazz Criticism [jan gyn ] Re: favorite Joni images [Jeff Clark ] webcast njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Sweet, sweet, SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: unreleased songs, again [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Femme Fatale re-run ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Helga you go girl! SJC ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [RoseMJoy@aol.com] jobs and fires njc [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: NJC Real Jukebox / audio players [Michael Paz ] Re: Welcome back, Brian! NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Jethro Tull (NJC) [Michael Paz ] DJRD live??? [Merk54@aol.com] Unreleased.... [Julian51469@aol.com] Untreed melodies. [Richard Rice ] Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC ["Diane Evans" ] Re: HOLD THE PRESSES!!! THIS JUST IN!!! NJC ["Diane Evans" Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon Hey folks, I'm jumping on a train out to Vancouver, BC this Friday. Heading out to the National Folk Alliance Conference, (any JMDLer's gonna be there?). I'm riding THE CANADIAN (www.folktrain.com) which I'm excited to say will pass through Joni's hometown, I think we even get a 50 minute stop. Not much time to look around, but time enough to play a song or two. Which we will I'm sure... So I have a question about Joni's old place in Laurel Canyon. I have a CA tour planned after I leave Vancouver which will bring me to the Los Angeles area. I plan on looking for Joni's old neighborhood. I learned from a Henry Diltz photo that the house was on Lookout Mtn. Ave, anyone know the address? On a pilgrimage of sorts, G _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// Gregg Cagno greggno@hotmail.com www.greggcagno.com _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// "I remember that time you told me, you said, 'Love is touching souls.' Surely you touched mine 'Cause part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time." - -Joni _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:59:42 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Painting with Word misprint? lonely painter wrote: > I ordered Joni's Painting with Words and Music some months ago, and saw that > 'Nothing Can be Done' was one of the songs performed. Thinking it was the > 'Nothing Can be Done' from her NRH album, which happens to be one of my > favourites, I soon realised it could not be as it credited Billie Holiday. > When Joni finally came to it, the song was actually 'Comes Love'. Was 'Comes > Love' at any time in its history known as 'Nothing Can be Done' (since the > lyric does go: "Comes Love, nothing can be done")? (Or have I got a kind of > collector's item with this misprint?) > > Anybody else with this typo care to comment and/or explain? I bought my copy in NZ, and it has the "Nothing Can Be Done" typo as well, and I seem to remember a few comments about it on-list around that time, so I'm assuming it was a world-wide problem. Sorry, it looks like you've got the common-or-garden variety like the rest of us! Hell (in NZ, obviously!) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:17:28 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Eric Johnson Tour (NJC) Paz wrote: > Hello Gang- > Music Junkie Central here. My friend Eric Johnson is out on tour with > his new band Alien Love Child supporting their new release. If you are NOT > hip to his stuff, you REALLY ought to check it out. He is one of the MOST > amazing guitar players in the universe and he's writing is excellent. I love > his voice and he is a wonderful person. He is way into Joni Mitchell as > well. With those kinda credentials how can you go wrong??? I have a video of Carole King made in 1982 - a concert she gave that was obviously made for TV (called "One to One" made just after her "One to One" album, also released in 1982), and she had Eric Johnson on lead guitar - sort of a shy looking guy who looks about 18 in the video - he was reluctant to come forward for a bow after an incredible guitar solo! I'm not sure how old he is now, but he was certainly impressive back then. I'm assuming it's the same guy, and if he's improved since then, I would definitely recommend seeing him! Actually this concert is well worth seeing, if you ever come across a copy. The music is interspersed with interviews with King about various songs she's written (with and without Goffin) and traces her history quite well. She mentions the Mud Slide Slim album, which was recorded at the same time as Tapestry, and that it felt like they were making one album, since she plays piano on most of James Taylor's tracks, and he plays guitar some of hers. And of course there's the Mitchell-Taylor Boy-Girl Choir (even though this is NJC, there had to be some Joni content)! Hell NP: The cat, who has pulled all the towels off the towel rail, and is now attempting to prevent me from typing by lying in front of the keyboard. Very helpful. ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:20:25 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The Michaelangelo story Bob wrote: > Well, I've been sitting with this message for about a week, waiting for the > time to transcribe an introduction that Joni gives to the song on her '83 > WTRF tour...there are several, this is the one she told to the crowd at > Clarkston Pine Knob, on the 4th of July 1983: Great story, Bob, and I think it's a great idea to transcribe all Joni's monologues somewhere. If I had the time I'd volunteer, but poor Les is still waiting for the article he sent me about three weeks ago (it's coming, Les, I promise)! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:24:47 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: New S.Nicks song NJC Nikki wrote: > Thanks for the reminder, I have been on no mail on my Stevie lists and > forgot about this...however after hearing some tracks of her new album I > have to say I am not at all impressed with what she is doing these days. I > loved her duets with Chris Issac and Sheryl Crow in Sept. but some old demos > I have heard are finally appearing on this new album, and sound very > different and I am not that fond of them to be honest...I find her writing > to be filled with very clichid images. More so now than ever(aren't I > supposed to be the Stevie fan...oh well...lol). Release date for Trouble In > Shangri-la is April 10th...anyone who wants to hear the clips can go here... Thanks for posting the links to the Stevie clips - unfortunately I agree with you! Her newer stuff doesn't impress me too much either. But being the music-slut that I am, I will no doubt buy the album, and will probably like it enough to keep it! It's kinda funny though. I was at the Cricket Club tonight, straight after reading my email, and the bar manager put a Fleetwood Mac compilation disc on the stereo, so I've been listening to Stevie for the last couple of hours. JMDL synchonicity at work again, even if it is NJC! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 06:18:24 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: unreleased songs, again I noticed the deafening silence about the unreleased songs on jonimitchell.com. I guess my real question is, are recordings of these songs extant? The fact that someone knows the lyrics would imply so. If they are extant, wouldn't it be great to have them treed? I bet I'm not the only jmdler dying to hear them, even if the recordings aren't the best quality. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:09:44 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: mathematic circuits Barbara wrote: > > i see the night view out of an airplane - a city laid out like a circuit > board... > I was thinking about the image of a lit up city too. I love your connection between that and a computer circuit board. What do you think she means ? Despite all it's technology, the city retains some of the innocence and beauty of the jungle. ? Philip NP Bob Lind - Elusive Butterfly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 07:29:34 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke CD (NJC) Hey Lindsay, I ordered "Steady Pull" on the first week of January, and I had to call 1-877-4BadDog in order to do so. The server has been down for that long! Furthermore, and not to dump on BadDog or anything, my disc didn't go out until Monday (Feb. 5th.), so it took a month. I feel as though the "in stores Feb. 13th, at your door before" statement is a little misleading, although they probably needed to be held back a bit in order to have Jonatha autograph them all. I kept waiting and waiting, and then finally, I left a message on the VM that picks up when you call the # above, and someone emailed me to let me know it had just gone out. The good news is that it should be well woth the wait, as I've downloaded the title track off napster, and though it took quite a few listens to get the hang of it, the subtle funkiness of it blossoms into quite a hook. It's kind of a weird tune, though (I felt the same way the first time I heard "Crumbs"...I was like "What on Earth is she doing?!...and then it clicked). The same goes for the single. Enjoy, - -Chris, who is up early due to 20 lbs. of purrin' cat bulldozing him out of bed (now he's gone back to sleep and I'm up...). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:07:40 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again I have an mp3 of Just Couldn't Help Myself, composed by Mitchell, Guerin and Bennett, sung by O.C. Smith. Didn't someone set up a place for us to share mp3s ? I've forgotten how/ where. I'll send it on to Bob so he can examine it and decide if it's a cover or a contribution or not I guess Jim at JM.com may know about the other ones. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:33:23 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jethro Tull NJC In a message dated 2/7/01 1:23:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Rose! Me too! I was there at the Filmore East Tull concert!!! He was great standing on one leg playing the flute! There was one really beautiful song from that era, a ballad, that is haunting me, I can't remember what it was called...Victor do you know? >> Based on the timeline, circa 1969, that Ballad would have to be "Looking into the Sun" from their Stand Up album. They have a sample of it on Amazon. Give it a listen and let me know. That is a beautiful song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:35:40 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Jethro Tull NJC > Rose! Me too! I was there at the Filmore East Tull concert!!! He was great > standing on one leg playing the flute! There was one really beautiful song > from that era, a ballad, that is haunting me, I can't remember what it was > called...Victor do you know? I have always thought of "Reasons for Waiting" from Stand Up as one of the most beautiful, haunting ballads I have ever heard. Of course that didn't come out till 73. I can't think of anything else from that era quite as poignant. THE most beautiful ballad I have ever heard is "Morning Dove" a song written by my friend Mark Richard(HFB) for Dana who died in the Value Jet Miami crash. But getting back to the subject of Tull, I've seen them a total of four times, twice in Richmond, VA at the Civic Center and the Mosque(we drove six hours to get there from Greensboro and drove back the same night and my car died just as we pulled in.) Then I've seen them in Atlanta a couple of times, a few years ago with Procul Harem, and just last year at Chastain. They still sound incredible live! Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:47:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again <> WOW! Thanks Philip...that song had been brought to my attention, so I'm excited to hear it! Do you know if she contributed musically, lyrically, or both? I would say by definition that it's a "C&C", as it's a Joni song (partially, anyway), and is performed by somebody other than Joni. Now, wasn't O.C. Smith the "(Little Green) Apples" guy? Maybe Joni wrote the song for him because she thought he was singing about Kelly Dale? ;~) Bob NP: Cockburn, "Blueberry Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:50:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: was The Return of the . . . well, me. now A Case of Joni I emailed Reprise to ask them if they had any idea as to when this tribute CD will be released. I'll let ya know if I get any response from them. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:54:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Painting with Word misprint? Speaking of PWWAM I was dismayed to read on Amazon the negative comments about the sound and video quality of the DVD. There are too many to ignore. Do you think it is a defect of some kind like the infamous skipping on the BSN cd? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:05:36 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Hissing Demo The Hissing Demo is awesome (thanks Bob) - does anyone know the history of this disc? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 07:42:33 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Deb M , Chuck M was a FolkRex I saw Chuck play several times at the Raven Until i left Detroit in 75 He would really swoon the Ladies with his deep Tenor ala "Robert Goulet ". He also was a good 12 string guitar player. His book was a gallimaufry of folk, Broadway,Jac Brel is alive and well in Paris. I will always remember Him doing "The Circle Game" or "Please show me the way to the Whiskey Bar" as an Encore. He did carry A bitter sweet thing in his heart for Joni, yes he was a gate to provide the American Citizenship She needed to go on to NYC and Hollywood. I think Joni learned from Chuck an elementary lesson in playing the House and developing the basics of the voice and guitar. Later from Leonard Cohen she Learned her skills on writing Songs. Another post from the smoky past. Bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:14:55 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tull/Kate's B. day (NJC) Rose wrote: > I recall having the distinct pleasure of seeing Tull live in concert at >Bill Graham's Filmore East back in the very late 60's. And Kakki wrote: >Finally saw them live in around '73 in college in Arizona and then again in >around '75 at The Forum in L.A. (the acoustics totally there sucked ) Now, if all you music sluts were anally-retentive music sluts like me, you would have written this stuff down. :) The only time I saw Tull: 1 Jethro Tull Convention Center Anaheim 8/9/69 4 Beverly, Mario, Susie C., Dennis, Etc. I gave them a 4 out of 5. And Kate, you share your Feb 26 birthday with Courtney Scott, one of the great loves of my life, whom I met at Sonoma State. She's a professional photographer in Eugene, OR these days. Our first date was to see Van the man: 1 Morrison, Van Keystone Korner San Francisco 4/30/71 5 Courtney See, I write everything down... :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:27:37 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Highlights in vocal expression So true! So many on so many different levels, the question is almost akin to which favorite tone a cello in YoYo Ma's hands delivered, or which lick Lucille screamed for BB King, or even which stroke contributed most to "Irises." But in the interest of breaking down gestalt or finding order in the entropy, I'll also entertain a few that come to mind at this moment. Joni's choices are so powerful and deliberate (perhaps choosing more overtly in editing, than in creation as any great artist/producer would to maintain objective,organic perspective), and often reflect a greater sense of purpose: they sometimes sacrifice technical perfection for emotional potency-- form follows function. "Oh these nights are strong and soft." -- The Tea Leaf Prophecy (A whispered break, private and subversive) "I need your love, I need your love, God speed your love to me." -- Unchained Melody (Cinematic, breaks from flashback to present without missing a beat) "Where the cowgirls fill the room with their big balloons..."-- The Dry Cleaner From DesMoines (Rakish, syncopated rest pauses to take note as surroundings change, a steadicam shot: hang on!) "Surely to God you'd think some bells should ring." -- The Magdalene Laundries (Live, Madison Square Garden Nov. 1, 1998, YOU HAD TO BE THERE.) "I could drink a case of you, darling." -- Blue, second refrain (She steps to the stars, the moment I realized she was completely opened, and I fell in love. You could have pushed me over with a feather.) "Every mean-streets kick-ass." -- Borderline (Tough as nails. Felt the punch. Didn't see it coming. And I'm from New York City!) CC "Come to the dinner gong, the table is laden high." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:04:03 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Grace and Joni > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:10:46 -0500 > Reply-to: Stephen Schoener > From: Stephen Schoener > Subject: Re: Grace and Joni > X-To: David Rahall > To: 2400FULTON@NETSPACE.ORG > I just bought "Court and Spark", and I think it's really good. But I > still have to say I like "Hejira" much more. I think the choice of > instrumentation and arrangement better and more refined, the production is > better, and the songs are more stylistically and lyrically compelling on > average. And, especially with Jaco, the musicianship is a cut above. But > both records are terrific. I agree with you totally. Every Jone release is special, but Hejira is a unique gem. It's way above the rest and above most everyone's rest. It's definitely one for our time. Can anyone think of another album by another group that you think is their all-time best? It's tough when you think of the Beatles, Pink Floyd , Jethro Tull, Stones, Yes and many others. Styles change so much(such as the Beatles). Out of that group there I would have to say: Beatles-Abbey Road. Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon.(Animals however gets more of my air (time) J. Tull-(This is a tough one)I'll have to go with Benefit. R. Stones-Sticky Fingers(Your Satanic Majesties Request gets more time) Yes-Close to the Edge(nudges out the Yes Album) Got off on a tangent here. But, oh well.....sweet release. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:04:30 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: Re: Grace and Joni At 12:04 PM -0500 2/7/01, Mike Hicks wrote: >I agree with you totally. Every Jone release is special, but Hejira >is a unique gem. For me, Hejira was a hard album to get into. Back in my earlier JMDL days, I stated openly that i didn't get. It's grown on me a lot, so my opinion had turned on it. There is an hypnotic quality to it that I had to sit through a few times to appreciate. The darker sounds of Jaco's bass is bothpart of the hypnosis and what took me a long time to get used to. I'm not sure I'm completely sold on Jaco's contribution, but then I'm a tasteless philistine worthy of little more than being stoned. :) But, yes, it's a set of great songs. I guess it's still growing on me. - -Neil can't really pick a favorite Joni album ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil E. Orts * Director/Student Services * Okay, you're a visionary. I'm a visionary. Office of Graduate Studies * Everyone here is a visionary. But what do University of Texas Austin * you do for a living? Main 101 -- 512/232-3626 * neo@mail.utexas.edu * from a cartoon by Eli Stein fax: 512/475-8851 * in the Chronicle for Higher Education ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:09:55 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: Re: Grace and Joni Has anyone been turned on to Joseph Arthur yet? I recently bought his Come to Where I'm From and like a lot of it. (Some is too dark for me, but it may still grow on me.) On his website (www.josepharthur.com), I saw him quoted in response to a grammy nomination for his album's graphics or design or something. He's a visual artist, too, like Joni, although very different in styles. What was interesting to me was that he felt a little odd about his recognition for his visual work when he felt that aspect was sort of his hobby, making music was his love and vocation. I found it an ironic contrast to Joni's repeated assertion that she's really a painter who has more success with her music. - -Neil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil E. Orts * Director/Student Services * Okay, you're a visionary. I'm a visionary. Office of Graduate Studies * Everyone here is a visionary. But what do University of Texas Austin * you do for a living? Main 101 -- 512/232-3626 * neo@mail.utexas.edu * from a cartoon by Eli Stein fax: 512/475-8851 * in the Chronicle for Higher Education ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:40:23 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Kate's rebroadcast Web cast at the top of the hour, NJC In 20 minutes, Kate's rebroadcast is scheduled to be on: http://femmefatale.nu/femmefatale.htm If you snooze you lose, although there's one more chance coming up on Thursday. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:41:28 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Jazz Criticism >> Presenting Ken Burns' 144-hour Extremely Important Documentary, Jazz. >> >> Fade up on a grainy old photograph of a man in a three-piece suit, >> holding a cornet. Or a bicycle horn, it's hard to tell. >> >> Narrator: Skunkbucket LeFunke was born in 1876 and died in 1901. No >> one who heard him is alive today. The grandchildren of the people who >> heard him are not alive today. The great-grandchildren of the people >> who heard him are not alive today. He was never recorded. >> >> Wynton Marsalis: I'll tell you what Skunkbucket LeFunke sounded like. >> He had this big rippling sound, and he always phrased off the beat, >> and he slurred his notes. And when the Creole bands were still playing >> De-bah-de-bah-ta-da-tah, he was already playing >> Bo-dap-da-lete-do-do-do-bah! He was just like gumbo, ahead of his >> time. >> >> Announcer: LeFunke was a cornet player, gambler, card shark, pool >> hustler, pimp, male prostitute, Kelly Girl, computer programmer, brain >> surgeon, and he invented the Internet. >> >> Stanley Crouch: When people listened to Skunkbucket LeFunke, they >> heard Do-do-dee-bwap-da-dee-dee-de-da-da-doop-doop-dap. And they knew >> even then how deeply profound that was. >> >> Announcer: It didn't take LeFunke long to advance the art of jazz past >> its humble beginnings in New Orleans whoredom with the addition of a >> bold and sassy beat. >> >> Wynton: Let me tell you about the Big Four. Before the Big Four, jazz >> drumming sounded like BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick. But now they >> had the Big Four, which was so powerful some said it felt like a Six. >> A few visiting musicians even swore they were in an Eight. >> >> Stanley: It was smooth and responsive, and there was no knocking and >> pinging, even on 87 octane. >> >> Wynton: Even on gumbo. >> >> Announcer: When any musician in the world heard Louis Armstrong for >> the first time, they gnawed their arm off with envy, then said the >> angels probably wanted to sound like Louis. When you consider a bunch >> of angels talking in gruff voices and singing "Hello Dolly," you >> realize what a stupid aspiration that is. >> >> Gary Giddy: Louis changed jazz because he was the only cat going >> Do-da-dep-do-wah-be-be, while everyone else was doing >> Do-de-dap-dit-dit-dee. >> >> Stanley: And that was very profound. >> >> Marsalis: Like gumbo. >> >> Stanley: Uh-huh. >> >> Matt Glaser: I always have this fantasy that when Louis performed in >> Belgium, Heisenberg was in the audience and he was blown away and >> that's where he got the idea for his Uncertainty Principle. >> >> Marsalis: Because the Uncertainty Principle, applied to jazz, means >> you never know if a cat is going to go Dap-da-de-do-ba-ta-bah or >> Dap-da-de-do-bip-de-beep. >> >> Wynton: Louis was the first one to realize that. >> >> Stanley: And that can be very profound. >> >> Stanley: I thought it was a box of chocolates... >> >> Announcer: The Savoy Ballroom brought people of all races colors and >> political persuasions together to get sweaty as Europe moved closer >> and closer to the brink of World War II. >> >> Savoy Dancer: We didn't care what color you were at the Savoy. We only >> cared if you were wearing deodorant. >> >> Stanley: Wynton always wears deodorant. >> >> Glaser: I'll bet Arthur Murray was on the dance floor and he was >> thinking about Louis and that's where he got the idea to open a bunch >> of dance schools. >> >> Stanley: And that was very profound. >> >> Giddy: Let's talk about Louis some more. We've wasted three minutes of >> this 57-part documentary not talking about Louis. >> >> Wynton: He was an angel, a genius, much better than Cats. >> >> Stanley: He invented the word "Cats." >> >> Wynton: He invented swing, he invented jazz, he invented the >> telephone, the automobile, and the polio vaccine. >> >> Stanley: And the Internet. >> >> Wynton: Very profound. >> >> Announcer: Louis Armstrong turned commercial in the 1930s and didn't >> make any more breakthrough contributions to jazz. But it's not PC to >> point that out, so we'll be showing him in every segment of this >> series to come, even if he's just doing the same things as the last >> time you saw him. >> >> Glaser: I'll bet Chuck Yeager was in the audience when Louis was >> hitting those high Cs at the Earle Theater in Philadelphia, and that's >> what made him decide to break the sound barrier. >> >> Stanley: And from there go to Pluto. >> >> Wynton: I'm going to make some gumbo. >> >> Stanley: BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick... >> >> Giddy: Do-yap-do-wee-bah-scoot-scoot-dap-dap.... That's what all the >> cats were saying back then. >> >> Announcer: In 1964, John Coltrane was at his peak, Eric Dolphy was in >> Europe, where he would eventually die, the Modern Jazz Quartet was >> making breakthrough recordings in the field of Third Stream Music, >> Miles Davis was breaking new barrier with his second great quintet, >> and Charlie Mingus was extending jazz composition to new levels of >> complexity. But we're going to talk about Louis singing "Hello Dolly" >> instead. >> >> Stanley: Louis went, >> Ba-ba-yaba-do-do-dee-da-bebin-doo-wap-deet-deet-do-da-da. >> >> Wynton: Sweets went, >> Scoop-doop-shalaba-yaba-mokey-hokey-bwap-bwap-tee-tee-dee. >> >> Giddy: I go, Da-da-shoobie-doobie-det-det-det-bap-bap-baaaaa... >> >> Announcer: The rest of the history of jazz will be shown in fast >> forward and will occupy exactly seven seconds.... There, that was it. >> Now here are some scenes from Ken Burns' next documentary, a 97-part >> epic about the Empire State Building, titled The Empire State Building. >> "It is tall and majestic. It is America's building. It is the Empire >> State Building. Dozens of workers gave their lives in the construction >> of this building." >> >> Matt Glaser: I'll bet that they were thinking of Louis as they were >> falling to their deaths. I have this fantasy that his high notes >> inspired the immenseness of the Empire State Building. >> >> Wynton Marsalis: I'll bet most people who'd fall off the Empire State >> Building would go "Aaaaaahhhh!" But these cats went >> "Dee-dee-daba-da-da-bop-bop-de-dop-shewap-splat!" >> >> Announcer: That's next time on PBS. Sponsored by Viewers Like You. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 01 13:10:44 EST From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: favorite Joni images Hi All! Some of my favorite Joni images (of the thousands) are; "Daylight falls upon the path, the forest falls behind. Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty" - --Joni the astute psychological perceiver "..And you want to get moving and you want to stay still. But lost in the moment some longing gets filled, and you even forget to ask "Hey, where's Barangrill" Joni the philosopher (sums up quite a few New Age books just in that one line). "Climb down, climb down, he says to me, from the middle of unrest, they think his light is squandered, but he sees a stray in the wilderness, and I see how far I've wandered" - -- the enigmatic Joni "He danced with a lady with a hole in his stocking, didn't it feel good?" - --the Romantic Joni Best, Jeff-nyc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:49:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: webcast njc okay, the time i gave you was wrong, the webcast rebroadcast today starts at 11 pst or 2 est (i go a little over an hour into the show...12 pst or 3 est) ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:22:53 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run It starts at 11:00AM PST, was just there. Click on the schedule. 11:00 AM to 3:00PM, that would begin 2:00PM EST Amelia playing now, yuk!!! How far into the program do you go on Kate? Rose in NJ The Sleuth, per Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:31:37 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Sweet, sweet, SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I received a "live" tape of Fonimitchell, and I am on my second listen. WOW!!!!!!!!!! These guys are good!! I love their interpretations, harmonies, and instrumental mixes. THANK YOU, Clive! Anyone wanting a copy of this, please send a blank cassette tape with a self- addressed, STAMPED return envelope, and I will be happy to make you a copy. Please send a note in it stating what you want, along with your e-mail address. Overseas listers can probably get it from Clive directly? Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Hugs, Ashara {*REALLY* enjoying this!} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:27:04 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again - ----- Original Message ----- From: > WOW! Thanks Philip...that song had been brought to my attention, so I'm excited to hear it! Do you know if she contributed musically, lyrically, or both? > I don't know Bob. John Guerin produced the album and LA Express guys played on it. > > Now, wasn't O.C. Smith the "(Little Green) Apples" guy? Maybe Joni wrote the song for him because she thought he was singing about Kelly Dale? ;~) > He's a regular on oldies stations over here by virtue of a big hit in the 60's with Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp. Never heard him in connection with Little Green Apples. Roger Miller had the hit with that one on this side of the water. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:59:57 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run I'm tuned in too and waiting. I think Kate originally said she would start about 20 minutes in to the hour but I don't know if that is how it ended up.... RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > It starts at 11:00AM PST, was just there. Click on the schedule. 11:00 AM to > 3:00PM, that would begin 2:00PM EST Amelia playing now, yuk!!! > How far into the program do you go on Kate? - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:06:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Femme Fatale re-run we go on about an 70 minutes into the show, after the performer named Pi who is on right now... ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Phyliss Ward [mailto:pward@datacourse.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:00 AM To: RoseMJoy@aol.com Cc: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run I'm tuned in too and waiting. I think Kate originally said she would start about 20 minutes in to the hour but I don't know if that is how it ended up.... RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > It starts at 11:00AM PST, was just there. Click on the schedule. 11:00 AM to > 3:00PM, that would begin 2:00PM EST Amelia playing now, yuk!!! > How far into the program do you go on Kate? - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:07:30 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run (NJC) In a message dated 2/7/2001 2:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > we go on about an 70 minutes into the show, after the performer named Pi > who is on right now... > DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!!!!!!!!!!! I missed the original broadcast, and now, I have to leave "right now" to watch 2 of my kids ski in a ski race for their school. I am crossing my fingers for tomorrow. Everyone, PLEASE inundate me with e-mails to remind me tomorrow at noon! (EST) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:24:59 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Helga you go girl! SJC Ok so at 13 i reading thru Herr Herman Hesse started with Siddarthta, Steppenwolf,Travels to the East,The Glass Bead Game( read that over and over trying to invent the game itself!). Then my Aunt the English teacher who i have said in an previous post was trying not to allow me to turn into an Auto technocrat like both sides of my family in MOTOWN. Took me over to the CheckMate Lounge on Livermois and Six mile Road. To see her favorite folk Hunk Chuck M after he played his set, Joni came on and all it took was one simple folk song and i was a changed book nerd. I think i have declared in the Past posts that JM is a genius in composing the words and music in her songs and also has displayed this talent over the last 35 years in her life. I do agree with your feelings about joni, sometimes i trip over my genes in an unthinking way. I got the urge for going now with the geesein chevron flight bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:01:42 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run Wow Kate! I really enjoyed hearing you live again! Congrats on a great show! - -- Phyliss, who must go get something done now away from her computer... np:the indiegrrls show! mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:08:16 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run Kate my dear, it was just beautiful! I started to ball my eyes out during your last number, Irene. Made me think of my Mom. I was at the mercy of my telephone modem connection. It kept rebuffing. Damn!!! Much Love, Rose in your hometown state ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:33:29 EST From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: jobs and fires njc I went out for a walk on Monday night. I went around to the water front and went out on the dock and once out there I looked back at the shore line and I saw fire. So on my way back in I stopped off at my neighbor's house where the fire was. This neighbor is a home builder. He built my home and lived in it with his family for a few years and then sold it to me at a discount because he liked my children and he knew our kids would play together and I'm always appreciative of that. I went back into his yard which overlooks the marsh and I saw the fire. It was underbrush which he had gathered from his property and it was burning in a fire that was easily about ten feet square. So I said, jesus Stephen, that's a big fire for a Monday night. He said, yea...i was pissed off today so I came home early and cleaned up the brush and now I'm burning it. He said he got his financials in from his accountant and they were so bad that he couldn't even show them to his bank for fear they'd call in his loans. He said, are you feeling the pressure now? I said hell yes. Interest rates are so high, my lenders won't give me money for even rock solid deals cause they can return better in more secure markets. I lost three major deals late last year because of it. But the rates are lowering some. Stephen said, yea and I could feel it immediately. He said, I'm going to tell my kids to get a job in a company when they grow up so the get these paid vacations and these 401ks and things. This self employment is a bitch. I said, you're right. It's a bitch. You always have time but you can never rest. I said to him that I've been reading some email from some music friends wanting to go the other way, to get out of their jobs. He said, they should see it from this side for a while. So he said, you want a beer? I said, no. I've got to go. It's after 9 and I'd like to tuck the kids in and Cheryl will think I fell off the dock. He said, come on, have a beer. I said, Stephen, I can't. I need to go. He said, I know. It's late. But if you change your mind, come back, the size of that fire means I'll be here for a few hours. And when I got around the corner I could tell it was really cold away from the fire and when I put my hands in my pockets I could still feel the warmth in my clothes from where I was facing the heat. And I thought, I never sat down and I never took off my coat. But!!! I did stop by to warm myself, even if it was just for 15 minutes. So ....that's better than nothing. "I'm a burning hearth," he said "People see the smoke But no-one comes to warm themselves Sloughing off a coat patrick np. dmb-what would you say ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:00:20 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Real Jukebox / audio players Gee... rollingonthefloorlaughinghystericallyandfoamingatthemouth Paz NP-mp3 of Bob Muller crooning Furry Sings The Blues on 2/4/01 10:32 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@home.com wrote: > Hey Gerald, > Before the Mac users all chime in with "My **Mac** doesn't do that!" I want > to give ya my two cents. From what I've read, the reason mp3 players break > up is because they need to have sole access to the hard drive. In other > words, think of your computer as a $1,000 mp3 player. Don't open any > windows or save anything. Dunno if more RAM would help. > Lama > > > Gerald said, > I've been using Real Jukebox to record CDs onto my hard drive, and use it > for playback. I like a lot of the features of Real Jukebox, but it seems to > pause, or break up, a lot. (more frequently lately) > > Anyone know of a better program (that's free to d/l) that is better than > Real Jukebox - one with similar features? My processor is 300 Mhz with 64 M > RAM. Do I need more RAM for this thing to play smoothly? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:13:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Trails Dale Evans (NJC) So sad to lose one of the true hollywierd greats. I loved Roy Rogers and Dale Evans and alot of the old TV stuff. Ever try turning your kids on to the oldies from TV??? Mine were NOT impressed. They are of the Rugrat/New Disney generation. At least they like Beatles, Joni Mitchell, and Dave Matthews. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:14:45 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Welcome back, Brian! NJC :-D on 2/5/01 11:46 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/01 10:06:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, > asandstrom@allaire.com writes: > > << Wow! It's SO wonderful to hear from you! Welcome back indeed! >>> > > Hi wonderful people! I just got back from my little Hejira, and just > rejoined the list. This email from Anne was the first JMDL mail I've > received. I thought about Brian the whole time I was gone. I assume the > procedure was sucessful and Brian is doing quite well. If anyone could > please send me the email Brian wrote, it would be much appreciated. > > I've missed everyone! If any other news happened while I was away, please > someone fill me in off list. > > As for my small Hejira, I'm learning to love myself again (no wise cracks > Paz), and that's a big step for me. > > love and hugs > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:14:42 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jethro Tull (NJC) I have heard it more than once that it was his wife behind all the Aqualung Thick As a Brick stuff, but an interview I read not too long ago said nothing of the sort. I love Jethro Tull especially the early years thru TAAB. Paz(not really being helpful at all) on 2/5/01 3:49 PM, Chris Marshall at chris@secure-si.co.uk wrote: > Hey gang, > > Are there any Tull fans out there? > > I just started listening to an old album of theirs, > "Broadsword and the Beast", and am realising what > a talanted lyricist Ian Anderson is (at least I > think he wrote their lyrics...) > > Broadsword... is full of nautical references, but > also lots of the usual imagery to do with love and > relationships, something I'm only just seeing this > time around. "Flying Colours" describes two people > trying to disguise a relationship break up, and > "Slow Marching Band" says a lot about parting and > loss, at least to me. > > To the nub of it then: I have "Broadsword..." and > "Rock Island" (on a 12" picture disc, no less) and > am looking for recommendations for what album(s) > to hunt out next, given that I like these two. > > Any takers? > > --Chris (Cambridge, UK) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:45:36 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: DJRD live??? From what I remember reading about the song lists from Joni's '98 tour, there was 1 or 2 nights where she included DJRD. I happened to see her 4 times during that tour, but never managed to hear that song. I was just wondering if anyone had a recording from one of those nights that included this live version of DJRD. This is one of my fav's and would have loved to have heard it. Thanks, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:44:19 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Unreleased.... Hello Deb M. and Company, I'm workin' on the first installment....but yes there are all of those songs that don't seem to on an accessible recording. There are also those tunes that are written down...but noones heard her playing them...what would happen if I scanned the sheet music and sent it to those who can read music who would be willing to record their findings and let us all know what we've been missing all this time...? Any thouhgts? Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:43:19 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Untreed melodies. I'm not sure how the website got their lyric sheets. I have an old Joni songbook that has several of them included. (Without the proper chords... alas.) If anyone would like photocopies of these melodies put to standard tunings, I'd be happy to photocopy them for you. John. ( a tad fearful of that trip down into the basement...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:03:47 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: those gosh-darn kids NJC Kate, Forgive me for my lateness in replying: I'm way behind in catching up! I teach middle school (jr. high school) in a fairly rural area of Indiana and allow my students to bring their music in one day a week. The only condition I put on their choices regards language and violent content. I see that most of them listen to what ever is played on MTV. A few are involved in band or orchestra and will sometimes bring in classical. Even though I know some of them listen to country, few will bring it in, fearing ridicule from the more aggressive hiphop, rap, or alternative crowd. The flip side of this is that I play a diverse range of music for them on other days of the week. Their responses are always interesting. When I play Joni I hear from quite a few that their moms listen to "that CD." (A reluctant acceptance?) The music they tend to respond best to are Lorena McKennett, Beatles, world music compilations, and Japanese Kodo drummers. They can never decide if they actually like Sonny Landreth and Keb Mo or if this music is too old-fashioned or country for them! I guess I agree with you, in a sense. I think they have varied tastes, given the exposure. Just my take, Diane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:20:02 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: HOLD THE PRESSES!!! THIS JUST IN!!! NJC Paz, I am SO excited about the lineup for the second weekend of the NOJH fest! I also heard that Bob Dylan is going to be there that weekend, but who knows how reliable that source is? I am checking the grids daily and having trouble deciding who I want to see more. I'm sorry I'll miss Anders Osborne and Doug Kershaw (as well as the other host of talent), but I can't take that much time off work. How many other listers are planning to attend the festival? Can we get together at some point? I'll be there Thursday, the 3rd, and will be forced to leave on Sunday afternoon. Have to get back to the kiddies, don't you know! Gettin' "keyed up" Diane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:25:20 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni and Severe depression I was told a while ago that Joni was hospitalized many times for severe depression.She definatly has been open about her depression in her interviews.Does anyone know if this is true?Like many people,I have experianced fairly severe depression myself.(though I don't like to label myself too much these days.) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #63 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?