From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 054 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni moment #4,602 [Michael Paz ] Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good [Michael Paz ] HBNJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Attn All E-Bay'ers [Scott and Jody ] Re: Superbowl (wasJaco Who Loves You?) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Full Deck (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Attn All E-Bay'ers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Attn All E-Bay'ers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: meet the beatles!!!!! sjc (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Thinking too much about the Grammy Awards, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Covert complicity;notches ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] beatles' day night (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Jaco who Loves you ["Jack Neilson" ] various things NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Lake of Pontoon Planes [Lindsay Moon ] Ken Burns "Jazz" njc [Randy Remote ] Re: mp3's - NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: meet the beatles!!!!!njc(md) [Randy Remote ] Re: Mingus Documentary [Randy Remote ] Re: Jaco who Loves you [Michael Paz ] Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good, NJC [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni moment #4,602 Way tooo cool Les. Great painting too. Paz on 1/31/01 11:21 PM, Les Irvin at les@jmdl.com wrote: > Joniphiles - > I'm out in LA on business for a couple of days (hi Kakki!) and had an > interesting Joni moment. A group of people who work with me were taken > out to dinner this evening by the locals - to a place in Venice called > "Hal's". As we were being seated, I noticed a lot of artwork hanging on > the walls. I began looking around at the paintings and turned to see the > one right behind my chair on the wall. > > It was an original Joni Mitchell painting! > > Even more bizarre was that fact that it was one of only about two pieces of > her artwork that I have displayed on the JMDL site - seen here > http://www.jmdl.com/credits.cfm > > Go figure.... > Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:12:45 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good on 2/1/01 8:12 AM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > > --- Michael Paz wrote: >> Hello All- >> I was reading the paper today and they had a >> lengthy article about >> Daniel Lanois's studio closing up for good here. The >> building is on the >> market now for $1.5 mil if anyone is interested. > > I wish I had that kind of $$$. This sounds like an > amazing evening - must admit the part I most enjoyed, > in a sick kind of way is this: > >> I sat in one of >> the big rooms during the evening and played Chinese >> Cafe on the Grand Piano. >> Some girl came up to me and asked me if I had >> written the tune and I told no >> that Joni Mitchell had written it. "Oh!", she said, >> "who's that?" I don't >> think she really wanted to know, it was probably >> more of a "are you famous?" >> type of thing. > > How do these people get invited to these things, anyway? They are called hangers on. And they get there by hook or crook. They are always there. IN spanish we call them paracaidistas. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:16:00 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: HBNJC Happy Birthday Jack- My goal is too get your print framed SOON. That's what I wanted for Christmas but I didn't get it. Hope you have a Happy Day. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:09:41 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Attn All E-Bay'ers Hi Bob! I've got a bid in for the Phyllis Newman. We've got 4 days to go. One of us will be there for the final min. :~) jody ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 20:58:53 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Superbowl (wasJaco Who Loves You?) I wasn't gonna bore you guys with this coincidental minutia, but this segue is just too tempting. Re: this year's Super Bowl, I got grins from the fact that the man who plays center on the Baltimore Ravens, the winning team, is named "J. Mitchell." It's emblazoned on the back of his uniform shirt. Many millions saw "J. Mitchell" every time the Ravens had the ball, which was alot. I wonder how many others across the globe made the association. (For the uninitiated, the center is the guy sho "snaps" the football to the quarterback to begin every play from scrimmage. The quarterback is the guy who...aw, skip it.) :-) - -Julius <> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:05:04 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Full Deck (NJC) Richard in San Francisco wrote: > playing with a full deck now (turned 52 last > week - so it's all jokers and wild cards from here on in!) *GREAT* line - I will remember that next birthday! :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:22:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attn All E-Bay'ers << Ok, Boberino, Ian McShane it is. now none of yas be trying to outbid me on this. >> If it gets too pricy, Rosalita, just let it go...after all, shit, it's only a record! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:29:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attn All E-Bay'ers << I've already got a bid in on Brad Swanson. I'll be watching it. >> Thanks for stepping up Pearl...and how would this be for a pick-up line: "Hi baby, I'm Brad Swanson, and this is my whispering organ" LOL! Bob NP: Wife rooting for Tarheels vs. Dookies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:38:40 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: meet the beatles!!!!! sjc (md) Interesting question Wally. I can say by virtue of parental experience that kids today are if anything totally unaffected by any of the music of the 60's or Jonis generation. but it depends which group of kids. Theres a small miniscule minority that appreciates music and its history and evolution of which there are some. But only a few. Or the great majority of kids to whom music is only acceptable as an aural vibrator simply stimulating the reptilian part of the brain. Kids today completely dismiss things that require a million hours of practice and or a million tons of tallent is exchange they go wild over simple anarchy. Produciton values regardless of their absolute creative genius arent even achieved awareness of the listener. Someone throwing up on stage on purpose is valid, someone sounding like they are producing an orchestra from their fingertips is ignored or mocked and dismissed. I dont relish saying this but its true. Theres an interesting commericial on TV that shows a guy using a CD Burner to make a custon tape for his dinner date. Shes a beauty naturally and as they sit down to dinner he puts on the CD called "love music" and out comes something that can best be described as Freddy from the Nightmare Dream movies verbalizing the most banal lyrics "Duh I luv U". Needless to say the kids totally dig this "music" and they dance at their dinner table. Really enjoying this unbelieveably bad music. Thats classic here and now. Then again this "music" is to actual music what totally radical modern art is to real art. Hey a nail in a can alone on a stark white piece of aluminum....wow man its endless suffering....cool. How much did Monet affect Dada. Now how does Jonis music relate to this trash music-less music? I cant see any way she or any other great song crafter in history would be responsible for any of its missing qualities., We are going through a real nihilist, Dada esque period in music. We'll get through it eventualy and after we do I would look for Joni to begin to affect writers and artists more 50 years from now than now. In fact Im waiting for the next ultra phenomenon as I write this. Not necessarily in Rock or Pop but in classical. Im waiting for the Tiger Woods of Violin Soloists. Someone so incredible no one can believe it. Someone who makes the Zuchermans and the Yo Yo Mas go "woah". Absolutely bound to happen. It could but probably wont in rock music because music is so much part of youth that it caters to the needs and desires of the young. Thats another thing that makes Joni so special to me. Shes still evolving, still growing, still advancing, still vital. Still every bit as competitive as she ever was. Thats no small task after youve done your 23rd album. Thas why I think music industry sucks today. they have abandoned art for the pavlovian. The WCW Smakdown is needed just to get the audiences attention. Dont even show up if you wont be rude, crude or lewd Dude. The appreciation for subtle nuances as a factor in art is totally missing. Sure some could say the same thing about Hendrix and the Stones back then but Hendrix could actually play amazing creative things. Elvis could really sing. Towenshend, Beck, and Gilmore actually invented things. None of that is happening today. So it means that it may be that way BECAUSE Joni isnt effecting the modern artist. Brittany Spears or Eminem ever paint? Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:59:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Thinking too much about the Grammy Awards, NJC Me too! I thought his work was outstanding in Rain Man! In contrast, Mr. Hoffman was sort of one-dimensional. Cruise's character grew, and changed flawlessly as the story developed. Have you seen Chocolat? I really liked it. Hell said, For example (and don't flame me for this one) I thought Tom Cruise's performance in Rain Man was as equally deserving of an Oscar as Dustin Hoffman's. It was the one movie that convinced me that he could actually act. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:08:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: meet the beatles!!!!! i am tempted to agree with you, marcel. causality seems to have ceased to exist as an existential phenomenon! i am so amazed at the lack of repercussion, of effect, of echo. it is almost as if we lived in a medium that is an environment no more: it lacks the properties that define an environment: elasticity, plasticity, the ability to reverberate, to reflect, to deflect. matter is not impenetrable anymore and solids don't project a shadow. mind you, i am not discussing things postmodern but simply vacuum here. i kept thinking about my own question today: a world with a past that does not include the beatles, for instance. i realized that all my conclusions after this exercise in virtual history were tinged with the assumptions arising from my nature as a inherently CAUSAL-thinking person. somewhere along the development?/devolution?/stasis? of culture the cause/effect relationship was lost and, what's more surprising, ''history'' seems to be doing quite handsomely without it! wallyK p.s.: dadaism and other movements were reactions so they were part of causal history. i'm not about to buy the 7 or 8 or 10 monochromatic canvasses exhibited at the metropolitan museum in new york, but i can live with the fact that they're hung there. they came after, and because of, something. now the dinner ''love'' music example...well, give me 50 years to think about it. - -----Mensaje original----- De: MDESTE1@aol.com [mailto:MDESTE1@aol.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 01 de Febrero de 2001 11:39 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: meet the beatles!!!!! sjc (md) Interesting question Wally. I can say by virtue of parental experience that kids today are if anything totally unaffected by any of the music of the 60's or Jonis generation. but it depends which group of kids. Theres a small miniscule minority that appreciates music and its history and evolution of which there are some. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:09:11 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Covert complicity;notches > Maybe you or someone out there could help me with " Petrified wood > process tall timber down to rock". I've never been really sure what she's getting at here, either, Megan. She refers to Anima as a 'vengeful little goddess' earlier in the song so maybe she's talking about a wooden or stone idol. I don't know, but I've always gotten the sense that the man is somehow saying that her independence & strength do nothing but emasculate him - they change his stature & strength into something broken down & useless - process tall timber down to rock. Just speculating here. Anyone else care to weigh in? I agree that this song is one of her most puzzling. To me this one reads more like a poem than almost any of her other lyrics. I wonder if she would 'smell a rat' if someone else had written it? ;-) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:50:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good, NJC Catherine, Our Mister Paz is being a wee bit coy by pretending that he's NOT famous. He produces a TV show in Nawlins called "Louisiana Jukebox" every week. Plus, he used to play in clubs down there, presents live music on occasion, and knows everybody in the Nawlins music biz, including Aaron Neville. Paz is *the* man. Lama PS- Very interesting post Mister Paz. I think Lanois' old studio would make an *excellent* candidate for the JMDL commune. :) - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:12:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good (edited) How do these people get invited to these things, anyway? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:04:28 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: meet the beatles!!!!! (NJC) In a message dated 2/1/01 9:48:24 PM, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Theres an interesting commericial on TV that shows a guy using a CD Burner to make a custon tape for his dinner date. Shes a beauty naturally and as they sit down to dinner he puts on the CD called "love music" and out comes something that can best be described as Freddy from the Nightmare Dream movies verbalizing the most banal lyrics "Duh I luv U". >> I'm pretty sure that awful "love music" is a disturbing cover of "Let Me Call You Sweetheart," a song that I would guess comes from early in the 20th century. It sounds to me as if the singer is screaming, "Let me call you sweetheart, I'm in love with you." And speaking of "Meet the Beatles," oddly enough, the commercial ends with the company's (Phillips?) latest jingle, which just happens to be a cover of a Beatles tune from about 35 years ago -- "Got to Admit It's Getting Better." WIth its sexy young couple and cool-looking apartment, this ad is much like the current pop music/viideo scene: there's some nice stuff to look at, but listening can be painful. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:36:42 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni's paintings on the net? Hi Richard, Are you thinking of Ken's "Shiny Toys" section of JMDL? There are a ton of jpg files at http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/art/ and a Windows screen saver at http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/icons.cfm Hope this helps. Lama Richard asked: [[I know I asked this before here a few weeks ago, but didn't get any response. I lost a lot of my data in a crash (it happens. Back it up!). And...I remember there was a site (not the 'official' site) but . . . someone's site, that had a lot of her paintings from the Mendell and maybe a few others, on it, that I wanted to use as 'desktop'. ]] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 01:45:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: beatles' day night (NJC) and we've come full circle!!!!! Getting Better is the song i'm listening to now, at the end [?] of my beatles day. Getting Better is such a great song!!! only today did realize that john is singing ''it couldn't get no worse'' all the time!!!! [i'm rather forcing myself to stop this beatles thing. it's been HOURS!!! i'll even watch tv if that helps...] wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 02 de Febrero de 2001 01:04 a.m. Para: MDESTE1@aol.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: meet the beatles!!!!! (NJC) And speaking of "Meet the Beatles," oddly enough, the commercial ends with the company's (Phillips?) latest jingle, which just happens to be a cover of a Beatles tune from about 35 years ago -- "Got to Admit It's Getting Better." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:03:58 -0800 From: "Jack Neilson" Subject: Jaco who Loves you A freak with a Fro I might add.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: various things NJC Hi all Thanks for all the warm welcomes! Been too busy to post, so now I'm playing catchup: Several posts mentioned songs they sung in choir or music class. Here's a couple of mine: My 5th grade music teacher was Miss Light. She was anything but! We sang really gory, macabre songs all the time (I have no idea where she found them). I remember one song that ended with a lyric something like "pity the cowboy all bloody and red His horse jumped on him and mashed in his head". I'd love to hear some of those now. we thought they were way cool back then! I spent 4 years in high school choir. My choir director was notorious for making us sing horrid things (he had a Barry Manilow fetish). We sang, for example, the theme song to the Donny & Marie tv show! One good one, though is a choral arrangement of Neil Young's After the Gold Rush that the women's choir sang. It was the first I'd ever heard that song, and I still like it better than Neil's version. - ------ Rose wrote: > I'm thinking seriously about going back to school to pursue a new career. Do > you think it's too late? NO! DO IT! I did, and it was one of the most fufilling, empowering things I have ever done for myself. Ten years after finishing college, I quit my job, and went to graduate school in a completely differnt area from my bachelor's degree. I now have an MFA and am devoting all the time I can to making art. and I love it! As cliche as it sounds, I took inspiration for taking the plunge in part from an Ann Landers column. Someone wrote in wanting to follow his dream and go to medical school at age 45. He was asking if he should go ahead, as he would be in his early 50's when he finished 7 years of school and residencies. Ann's reply: "How old will you be in 7 years if you don't go to school?" __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:25:55 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Lake of Pontoon Planes Steve, you wrote: No, you're not. I'm currently trying to transcribe the audio interviews for Les's site and am working on the WMMR interviews with Gene Shay, Part 1. She says that she made up that story I think just to see if people would believe it. Here's the excerpt: "And I use to give all this folklore on stage, and it used to be all completely inaccurate because I really didn't know anything about the town. All I ever saw of it was from a train window, and I happened to be looking out of the side of the train that the town wasn't actually on, so all I saw was a sign that said "Kenora" and a big lake and big rocks and big trees and the lake was covered with pontoon planes. So I thought that was all that was there, you know. And I also thought that Kenora was an Indian word, and I used to tell people that it meant 'land of many pontoon planes.' (Laughs) That wasn't true either." I'm glad you spelled Kenora for me. I think I was about to spell it "Canora" (but I probably would have double-checked around Les's site before finalizing it ; ) Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:33:48 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Ken Burns "Jazz" njc It has been a wonderful series, and a joyous education as well. I have a new appreciation for Wynton Marsalis, too, his musicianship, his encyclopedic knowledge of jazz, his obvious love of the music, and his eloquence and insight. I thought there were a few gaping holes, though. Apparently, if you are not American, you are not jazz. How else to explain the omission of Django Reinhardt, considered by many to be the greatest jazz guitarist of them all, and amongst the titans of the genre ( I missed parts of a couple of the segments-correct me if I'm wrong). In fact, guitarists in general got short shrift in the horn-centric presentation. Charlie Christian was the only one mentioned. No Joe Pass, Barney Kessel, Herb Ellis,,etc, etc. Also missing in action: Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, Jean Luc- Ponty, John McLaughlin, Jaco Pastorius....... Phenomenal organist Jimmy Smith was only mentioned in passing. And what about Stephane Grappelli, certainly one of the all time luminaries of jazz, and one of the finest musicians to stomp this green sphere, who toured and played brilliantly for 60 years! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:34:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: mp3's - NJC Do a search on Metacrawler or another search engine, "MP3 to CD" and you will find several sources of free downloadable software that will convert MP3's to wav files. I had to try several of them before I got one that worked. Don't know the name as my computer has been reconfigured. RR Jerry Notaro wrote: > For you techno's: > > What kind of files to I need to convert to from MP3's in order to burn > them into a cd? Bob? Lama? Mark? Anyone? > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:35:41 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: meet the beatles!!!!!njc(md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Im waiting for the Tiger > Woods of Violin Soloists. Someone so incredible no one can believe it. Her name is Regina Carter. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:35:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Mingus Documentary cassy wrote: > Interestingly enough, a while back the Bravo "Mingus" documentary > aired. > They aired a short > portion of one of these tapes and there was Charles, voice reed thin, > obviously not in the prime of health singing the music to "Chair in > The Sky." The title at the bottom of the screen showed "'Chair in > The Sky,' originally recorded by Joni Mitchell." It was the only > reference to her during the whole show. > > I just thought you might find this interesting. I find it insulting! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:44:12 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jaco who Loves you on 2/1/01 11:03 PM, Jack Neilson at decaffno@earthlink.net wrote: > A freak with a Fro I might add.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > Carefull I could tell a tale or two about s certain neebie round here. Paz (off to bed late) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:44:14 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good, NJC COY? Moi? (hysterical laughter from all over the world) on 2/1/01 7:50 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu at jlamadoo@home.com wrote: > Catherine, > Our Mister Paz is being a wee bit coy by pretending that he's NOT famous. > He produces a TV show in Nawlins called "Louisiana Jukebox" every week. > Plus, he used to play in clubs down there, presents live music on occasion, > and knows everybody in the Nawlins music biz, including Aaron Neville. Paz > is *the* man. > > Lama > > PS- Very interesting post Mister Paz. I think Lanois' old studio would make > an *excellent* candidate for the JMDL commune. :) > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:12:02 -0500 (EST) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Lanois Studio Gone For Good > (edited) > How do these people get invited to these things, anyway? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #54 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?