From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 050 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work ["Greer, ] Re: NJC 14 reasons to give up alcohol njc [catman ] RE: Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Isaac Guillory (NJC) ["Bill Pearson" ] Aimee Mann alternate "Ghost World" download (NJC) [Jason Long ] favourite images - poignancy; irony ["Brett Code" ] Re: Covers volume 13 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? [DXDABOMB1@aol.co] thought of the day ["Brett Code" ] Re: Favorite Joni lines/images [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: seagull thing njc [Jerry Notaro ] favorite lines/images [Emily Kirk Gray ] NJC Re: Fwd: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? [SCJoniGu] Jobless NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Favorite Joni lines/images [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Covert Complicity, notches [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] Re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] A Case of You [AzeemAK@aol.com] njc Jane Siberry [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] Favorite Lyrics [LeslieMixon@aol.com] Another fave line [LeslieMixon@aol.com] re: Favorite Joni image ["c Karma" ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] re: Favorite Joni image ["c Karma" ] Pontoon Planes (VLJC) [Steve Dulson ] Hinton's Blasphemy ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: A Case of You ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... [Steve Dulson ] Re: Favorite Lyrics [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] Re: A Case of You + Jericho [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:RIP Isaac Guillory (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] Words in Oils ["william" ] Brian update (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Another killer image plucked from a song chock-full of 'em [Don Rowe ] Good bye Al ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: RIP Isaac Guillory (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [jan gyn ] Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:31:22 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work hi "Yesterday, a child came out to wonder" "an angry man is an angry man but an angry woman, bitch!" "a case of you" "it was the hexagram of the heavens, the strings of this guitar" i must add that this thread has been a real revelation to me. viewing the images in isolation gives so much more time & scope to appreciate them, and being posted by differing people somehow lets one look at the image through someone elses eyes, & brings such an appreciation of the beauty & depth of the writing - it really does something for me. how about some kind of a daily lyric posting - like a "thought for the day" joni style? ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:52:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC 14 reasons to give up alcohol njc AlAnon list are out there. Do a search on AlAnon or go to Yahoo Groups(just chnaged from EGroups) and do your search there. I just went and looked for you-there are several at Yahoo Groups. Go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/ register etc and then put Alanon in as your search. Sveral email gruops will come up. good luck Gerald wrote: > Thought this was pretty funny, despite the fact that I live with an alcoholic, > and have witnessed most of the hazards listed. #13 is a regular occurance. > > 13. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may cause an influx in the time-space > continuum, whereby small (and sometimes large) gaps of time may seem to > literally disappear. > > Anyone know of an alanon list? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:46:14 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric HI again, Hope you're all well out there! For me "Hissing" and "Hejira" together make an almighty duality. Inevitably that view is informed by the occasion of their release and my hearing them. I was in my early-mid teens. I have been reading the new articles that Les (Irvin) has been posting on the JMDL and have been staggered by the poor reviews they received and the snide tone taken by the reviewers. I still listen to these albums and they continue to be very fresh to listen to. Sure, they call me back to an earlier time in my life, but not every time I listen to them. They are still, especially Hejira, valid today, with what I experience today. Retaining, after all this time, a currency little of current mucical output can match. My current fav lyric, and one that goes 'round my head a lot these days - can't think why... "During times like these The wise are influential. They can bear the imperfection They can keep the harmony. No doubt about it. No doubt, that's essential. No doubt? That's always been a tricky one for me..." excuse any misuse of punctuation, but that is how I hear it and how it becomes relevant and resonant for me. All the best, babes. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:51:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: thought of the day i like this idea, ron! it's so monastic! let's start today: i propose: ''love's a repetitious danger'' wallyK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. i must add that this thread has been a real revelation to me. viewing the images in isolation gives so much more time & scope to appreciate them, and being posted by differing people somehow lets one look at the image through someone elses eyes, & brings such an appreciation of the beauty & depth of the writing - it really does something for me. how about some kind of a daily lyric posting - like a "thought for the day" joni style? ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:02:28 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric Les said:- >For me "Hissing" and "Hejira" together make an almighty duality. I suspect for me that it's Hejira and DJRD. The lyrics and music blew my mind when I first listened to them. Still do, as a matter of fact. From Jericho:- Anyone will tell you Just how hard it is to make and keep a friend Maybe they'll short sell you Or maybe it's you Judas, in the end When you just can no longer pretend That you're getting what you need Or you're giving out anything for them to grow and feed on This just does it for me so much... it's just so descriptive of that time when close friends might perhaps be turning into more than that: summing up the uncertainty and doubt (and perhaps) pain that can go along with this. This balances out with the previous verse: I'll try to keep myself open up to you And approve your self expression I need that, too I need your confidence, baby And the gift of your extra time In turn I'll give you mine Sweet darling, it's a rich exchange It seems to me It's a warm arrangement! Oh! I need to go listen to this song now. Which is a pity because I'm sitting at the front of a training class, waiting for my students to finish a leb exercise. - --Chris (in Cambridge, misty eyed just from writing this...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:34:47 -0300 From: mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work I love this one: I'm always running behind the time just like this train shaking into town with the brakes complaining ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 09:11:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: montreal njc is there anybody from or knowledgeable about montreal on the list? if so, would you contact me privately. and yes, sorry for the bandwidth. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:55:12 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: Isaac Guillory (NJC) not much use to most of you but... There will be a tribute to and a celebration of the life and music of Isaac Guillory at the Portland Arms, Cambridge (UK) on Friday, Feb 16. The night he was due to play. Bill > I read Azeem's mail with great sorrow. I had no idea Isaac had died. We > supported him (in a previous band) at a gig a few years back. He was a truly > magnificent musician and a very nice man too. Our guitarist, Paul, > particularly admired (envied) his ability on the guitar. As Azeem says, it > was like watching three players at once, and was enough to put off any guitar > hopefuls for life. > He will be missed. > Clive. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:07:02 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Aimee Mann alternate "Ghost World" download (NJC) Hi everyone, Since I know there are a few Aimee Mann fans on the list, I just thought I'd mention that an mp3 of an unreleased acoustic version of "Ghost World" can now be downloaded from her Web site. Just go to [http://www.aimeemann.com/promo/]. On first listen, I do like it, but not nearly as much as the album version - -- it's still interesting to hear an alternate take on the song, though. Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:06:34 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: Favorite Album For me, it depends on what is going on. Just got some bad news a couple weeks ago. The result: Hejira, Ladies of the Canyon, Blue. Last time I had to choose a favourite, it was FTR. This time, Hejira's back on top. Brett, sitting in the dark, by candle light ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:27:21 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: favourite images - poignancy; irony She finds the soft spots, the weaknesses, points them out in poetry and leaves us to reflect and perhaps to act: Six hundred thousand doctors Are putting on Rubber gloves And they're poking at the miseries made of love. Does Jackson Brown really think that song is about him? There is just sooo much more to it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:29:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers volume 13 <> I respect that opinion too, Deb, but like you I'll take my Joni in context, out of context, performed by her or by others, live or in the studio! I admit and revel in my sluthood! :~) Glad you got #13 all right and found it tasty! Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Walking Slow" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:31:54 EST From: DXDABOMB1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? Hi, Please see the following email. Thanks. Jim Return-path: From: DXDABOMB1@aol.com Full-name: DXDABOMB1 Message-ID: <9d.108df109.27a7794f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:56:31 EST Subject: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? To: mailto:joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hi, This is Jim From New Jersey. First time writing into the JMDL. Most admired image of Joni's work? Too many to write, that's for sure. But a few especially meaningful ones follow: "You could have been more Than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air More than a credit card Swimming pool in the backyard" "But you know it's hard to tell When you're in the spell if it's wrong or if it's real But you're bound to lose If you let the blues get you scared to feel" "I remember that time you told me, you said, Love is touching souls Well surely you touched mine" "You're always disappointed Nothing seems to keep you high Drive your bargains Push your papers Win your medals F*ck your strangers Don't it leave you on the empty side" I could go on and on. Thanks for the opportunity to share this with all of you. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:32:32 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: thought of the day Joni's timeless reminder that change is the only constant: We're captive on the carousel of time We can't return we can only look behind From where we came (Can you read those words without singing the rest of the chorus? Does it remind you of a happier time?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:37:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Joni lines/images <<"You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes all across the sky>> Thought about these lines last night, after I talked to Mags about Brian...be strong, my brother! I believe in the power of focused prayer. I would ask any who would participate to lift Brian in your thoughts today around 11:00 East Coast time. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:43:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: seagull thing njc susan+rick wrote: > On 1/29/01 5:58 PM, Kate Bennett wrote > > vince said," I think there was a seagull thing going on back then." > > > there was, seagulls for some reason were romanticized. barbara hershy (sp?) > > changed her name to barbara seagull... > > Barbara Hershey became Barbara Hershey Seagull (legally, I believe) because > she accidentally hit and killed a seagull with her car. I seem to remember > her saying that she felt the soul of the bird enter her body. Indeed, there > were a lot of "things" going on back then! Yes. She was living with Keith Carridine and there were a lot of drugs being consumed in that relationship. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:44:41 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: favorite lines/images one of them: "but even on the scuffle the cleaner's press was in my jeans and any eye for detail caught a little lace along the seams" so much wistfulness and pride in just those four lines! i love it. - -- emily, who has also been, at one time or another, "a hopeful in rooms like this, when i was working cheap" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:50:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Fwd: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? <> Hiya Jim...Bob in South Carolina here. Welcome to the JMDL, thanks for sharing your fave lines, I think a lot of folks would agree with you on those! Looking forward to hearing mre from you... Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Song For Adam" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:55:50 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Jobless NJC Well, guys I'm a free woman now. I'm thinking seriously about going back to school to pursue a new career. Do you think it's too late? I've already contacted my old Art Professor. He's still there! He's done a wonderful job with the expansion of the art department. A little grayer though. I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. lol Something in the visual art field. Hey Lama, any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Good luck Alison with your new yob. Rose in NJ Feeling unfettered and alive! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:02:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Joni lines/images In a message dated 1/30/01 8:45:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I believe in the power of focused prayer. I would ask any who would participate to lift Brian in your thoughts today around 11:00 East Coast time. >> I believe too. I just know that Brian is going to be fine. God Bless Brian and Mags and the surgeons who will be performing his surgery today. I thank God for their skills. Rose in NJ lighting a candle in front of the Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:07:26 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches In a message dated 1/30/01 1:38:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, p.a.oconnor@worldnet.att.net writes: > I don't know who the arsonist was > Which incendiary soul > But all I ever wanted... > I always took this to mean that she doesn't know if he (the person whose leg is leaning into to hers) or she is the arsonist (the one who got things started). Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:10:04 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches Mark, I'm with you on the dropped apostrophe for smile('s). Either way, the line simply says, "Can I trust you, or are you playing me?" Still not sure about "notches liberation doll" but the more I think about it the more I connect it with Rolling Stone's salacious publication of the flow chart of Joni's love life, starting the feud. The line following it, "and he pins me with that serpent to that Ethiopian wall" possibly describing her feeling diminished, isolated and removed by means of pigeon holing (you know how Joni LOVES a label) on the basis of sexual politics, in respect to her artistic status. This is all speculation and conjecture, of course. It will likely remain for the individual to apply what association, if any he or she will and as I've said before, I'm just fine with that. CC "Who you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free?"--JM >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:52:03 -0800 > > > "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's >that > > about? read Pat's post... > >Ok, had to look at the lyrics sheet on this one to be sure I was right >about what it says. > >First of all the line reads: "Does your smiles covert complicity >debase as it admires?" I think there should be an apostrophe in >smile's, making it possessive. This makes covert an adjective >describing complicity. In other words does that smile posess a hidden >agenda that you expect me to be your accomplice in achieving? Are you >admiring me, thinking what a beautiful, wonderful person I am or are >you undressing me in your mind & thinking of doing very, very naughty >& nasty things to me? > > > As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. >" > >We've gone over this one before. I still say (and will go to my grave >saying it unless Siquomb herself tells me personally that I am dead >wrong) that the man is referring to the room full of glasses from the >previous line. Those glasses are 'your notches' like a gunfighter's >notches on his gunbelt or notches on a bedpost. He's saying, 'You >made me a drunk with your independent, uppity, competitive >(unfeminine) ways. You can chalk every glass of wine I drank up to >your score. They're your notches, liberation doll.' Liberation doll >is a sneering & derisive name he's throwing at her. Men used to call >women they were attracted to doll at one time. Just watch some of >those old Humphrey Bogart movies. > >That's my story & I'm sticking to it! > >Mark in Seattle > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:09:46 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches Mark, I'm with you on the dropped apostrophe for smile('s). Either way, the line simply says, "Can I trust you, or are you playing me?" Still not sure about "notches liberation doll" but the more I think about it the more I connect it with Rolling Stone's salacious publication of the flow chart of Joni's love life, starting the feud. The line following it, "and he pins me with that serpent to that Ethiopian wall" possibly describing her feeling diminished, isolated and removed by means of pigeon holing (you know how Joni LOVES a label) on the basis of sexual politics, in respect to her artistic status. This is all speculation and conjecture, of course. It will likely remain for the individual to apply what association, if any he or she will and as I've said before, I'm just fine with that. CC "Who you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free?"--JM >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:52:03 -0800 > > > "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's >that > > about? read Pat's post... > >Ok, had to look at the lyrics sheet on this one to be sure I was right >about what it says. > >First of all the line reads: "Does your smiles covert complicity >debase as it admires?" I think there should be an apostrophe in >smile's, making it possessive. This makes covert an adjective >describing complicity. In other words does that smile posess a hidden >agenda that you expect me to be your accomplice in achieving? Are you >admiring me, thinking what a beautiful, wonderful person I am or are >you undressing me in your mind & thinking of doing very, very naughty >& nasty things to me? > > > As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. >" > >We've gone over this one before. I still say (and will go to my grave >saying it unless Siquomb herself tells me personally that I am dead >wrong) that the man is referring to the room full of glasses from the >previous line. Those glasses are 'your notches' like a gunfighter's >notches on his gunbelt or notches on a bedpost. He's saying, 'You >made me a drunk with your independent, uppity, competitive >(unfeminine) ways. You can chalk every glass of wine I drank up to >your score. They're your notches, liberation doll.' Liberation doll >is a sneering & derisive name he's throwing at her. Men used to call >women they were attracted to doll at one time. Just watch some of >those old Humphrey Bogart movies. > >That's my story & I'm sticking to it! > >Mark in Seattle > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:25:59 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: A Case of You I wrote: derision at Brian Hinton's complete inability to grasp them in his much maligned book Kate replied: "Wow, he didn't get Case of You? What's not to get?" I've just looked it up again: there's some speculation as to who the song could be about, with Hinton fingering Leonard Cohen; then he finishes: "Mind you, what exactly is the point of a wine you can drink 12 bottles of, and still remain standing?" Maybe he was just being facetious, but to me it suggests that somehow he's missed the point of the song. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:26:03 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: njc Jane Siberry Kate wrote: "I have discovered "Maria' and 'When I Was a Boy' several years after their original release dates, and I can't freaking stop listening to them." Attagirl Kate! For me, these two are pivotal in her oeuvre, and cement her genius. And Catherine T wrote: << Here's the funny part--I own every thing Sib did up until WIWAB, No Borders through Bound , bought them when they were first released, and loved them. Then for some reason turned away just before WIWAB. My Twilight-Zoneish theory is that WIWAB and "Maria" sat out there and "waited" for me until I was really ready to hear them right.>> Just when you thought it couldn't get any better, you bought these two, and lo and behold! - it got better! << I've been to her website and ordered her New York trilogy and her recently Juno-nominated album "Hush," interpretations of Celtic and American spirituals. Waiting impatianetly for them to arrive. Boy, are you in for a treat; they form a unique project, touched with magic all the way through, and with some colossal songs and spoken word pieces. Hush I'm not quite so wil about. The songs are individually beautiful, though I could have used a little variety. The song I can't get out of my head is "In my Dream", which she has sung live, and hasn't arrived on a record yet - it's exquisite. Azeem in London NP: Blue, on vinyl, from the original gatefold, textured sleeve - hooray! Easy to forget how great this record is when ya don't listen to it for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:45:14 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches Pat, Grammar's never been my strong point either so I won't be too tough on Joni. Mark suggests a fix that could easily be explained by an omission in typesetting, an instant cure! "Come In From The Cold" is full of images of rebirth and the confusing thrills of adolescent novelty. Appearing on NRH, time and time again referred to as the album on which she "returned to form" and released just previous to her bust up with Klein, it seems consistent that images of reawakening are present. Arson is a crime, and though perhaps the victim here (metaphorically), she may be resigning herself that the forced change is truly what she wanted all along. The fire is fueled within herself. "I feel renewed, I feel disabled, By these bonfires in my spine." "Is this just vulgar electricity (are you sparking me?) Is this the edifying fire (or are you saving me?)" CC "It seemed like he read my mind, he saw me mistrusting him and still acting kind." -- JM >From: "Patricia O'Connor" >Reply-To: "Patricia O'Connor" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:24:10 -0500 > >---- Original Message ----- >From: c Karma > > > > "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's that > > about? read Pat's post... > >My problem with this is not the meaning but the grammar, it's like Jim >Morrison saying: > >If they say I never loved you >You know they are a liar > >It hits me as a mistake, it's a glaring stand out every time I hear it > which in the case of the Doors song happens to be more often than I'd >like >to hear it.). > >She also says in "Come In From the Cold", which BTW is a song that I love: >I feel your legs under the table >Leaning into mine >I feel renewed >I feel disabled >By these bonfires in my spine >I don't know who the arsonist was >Which incendiary soul >But all I ever wanted... > >I used to try to make this conform to some idea of sexual awakening, but >the >problem was, wouldn't she know who the "arsonist" was if that was the >meaning? So I think that she means bon-fires as back-pain, post-polio >syndrome, the arsonist being the "incendiary soul" from whom she contracted >polio. I t makes sense to me, but ...what is it doing in this song, in >this >verse? > >Patricia O'Connor >p.a.oconnor@att.net > >private to CJ: NP Slip Sliding in my head > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:54:03 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: Favorite Lyrics My favorite Joni lyrics change depending on where I am in my life at that moment. I've always loved "Jericho" - "I'll try and keep myself open up to you, it gets easier and easier to do." "Anyone will tell you just how hard it is to make and keep a friend." "Let all these dogs go running free, the wild and the gentle dogs, kennelled in me." Another favorite is the "Crazy Cries of Love" - "In a back booth in an all night cafe, two dripping raincoats are hanging..." This line reminds me of a time Wally Breese and I went out to lunch on a rainy day. We were in a back booth that had coat hooks and our coats were dripping rain. It's hard to believe that February 3rd marks the one year anniversary of his passing. "...so fast, like the turn of a page..." Leslie Mixon Surrounded by unopened boxes, we've recently purchased our first home in California's Central Valley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:57:02 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: Another fave line I have to add another favorite line of Joni's poetry: "And the moon swept down black water like an empty spotlight..." Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:14:46 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Favorite Joni image Two images come to mind for me. #1 will always be, #2 is vivid for me personally, today: 1. On the back of a cartoon coaster In the blue TV screen light I drew a map of Canada. Oh, Canada. With your face sketched on it twice. 2. A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc On a yellow skateboard in mid-day sidewalk traffic. CC (Tiger Bones) -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD This harkens back to some advice from the thrilling days of yesteryear that I'd like to resurrect for Joni on this one: JUST SAY "NO!" Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:17:54 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Favorite Joni image Two images come to mind for me. #1 will always be, #2 is vivid for me personally, today: 1. On the back of a cartoon coaster In the blue TV screen light I drew a map of Canada. Oh, Canada. With your face sketched on it twice. 2. A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc On a yellow skateboard in mid-day sidewalk traffic. CC (Tiger Bones) -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:39 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Pontoon Planes (VLJC) BarBearUh wrote: >lately one of my favorites has been popping into my head often, as i'm >working on a video for a national park with a beautiful shot of a plane >shadow traversing a glacier with sapphire blue pools... When I first read this I thought you were planning the video, and wanted to recommend that the plane shadow be a floatplane (Joni calls them pontoon planes) like a De Havilland Canada Twin Otter or Beaver. Which reminds me....on one of the old tape trees, doesn't Joni introduce "Carnival in Kenora" with a story about Kenora being an Indian word meaning "Lake of the Pontoon Planes"? Am I making this up? The current issue of Aeroplane Monthly has an article on a big outfit that maintains floatplanes near Kenora. Looking forward to the floatplane flight from Victoria to Vancouver in 2 weeks! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:24:17 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Hinton's Blasphemy Azeem wrote : "Maybe he was just being facetious, but to me it suggests that somehow he's missed the point of the song." No big surprise - he kinda' missed the whole point of Joni's career! Np: Edie Carey - The Falling Places ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:33:05 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: A Case of You > I've just looked it up again: there's some speculation as to who the song > could be about, with Hinton fingering Leonard Cohen; then he finishes: "Mind > you, what exactly is the point of a wine you can drink 12 bottles of, and > still remain standing?" Maybe he was just being facetious, but to me it > suggests that somehow he's missed the point of the song. Once in college we had a cheap wine party. I bought a small bottle of Wild Irish Rose, drank maybe three quarters of it and within the hour was passed out asleep on the couch. I'd much rather drink a case of wine that will leave me standing. I can think of different relationships I've been in that would fit this analogy on both ends. Then on the other hand, you have the Golden Paliminos "Drunk With Passion". But I think when people take songs so literally, they are completely missing the point or maybe they're just fixated on instant gratification along with so much of the world. And also, where does it say that she drank the whole case in one evening, or even drank a case at all because she says, " I could....drink a case of you..." I've been thinking alot lately about the power of love, and what it means to truly love someone, to be swept away, and to still have both feet on the ground at the same time. That doesn't happen very often. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:01:45 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... Kakki wrote: >Geesch - too bad we weren't a team back then! ;-) We woulda been unbeatable! >Well, yes, it was worth the wait and nothing can ever compare to that night. >Never in our wildest dreams and forever pinching ourselves, eh? ;-) Total magic. I *still* get high just thinking about those two nights of PWWAM magic. If anybody had any doubts about the power of the Joni community, and what Les and Wally B wrought.... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:16:56 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics In a message dated 1/30/01 11:18:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, LeslieMixon@aol.com writes: << Surrounded by unopened boxes, we've recently purchased our first home in California's Central Valley >> I love the way she sings those raincoats lyrics too. Congrats & Best of Luck with that new home Leslie & Steve! Is it big enough for a JoniFest? lol PS: When the JoniFest CD's are released, would you bring them over to Jim for a listen? Ta Ta, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:20:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD <> But isn't there just a wee bit of whiny white kid/girly guile justice in the fact that Joni will get some royalty pennies for every teenybopper who picks up the CD? Bob NP: J. Browne, "The Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > But isn't there just a wee bit of whiny white > kid/girly guile justice in the fact that Joni will > get some royalty pennies for every teenybopper who > picks up the CD? Not if, as the notice indicated, proceeds from the sale will go to fund the Grammy's "Music In School" promotion ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:33:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of You + Jericho <> And the REALITIES of those relationships are what makes Joni's love songs so damn good! Several folks have referenced "Jericho", which I think is just one of the best written love songs ever, because it's so honest. It deals less with the googly-eyed hand-holding component and more with the responsibility and the potential pitfalls of a love relationship. While she sings of what she wants from love, she states what she is willing to do, indeed what she HAS to do. I'm not sure it's possible to be swept away and grounded at the same time; but Joni encourages us to land on our feet instead of other anatomical parts when that infatuation wears off. When my wife and I had our 15th anniversary, I printed out the lyrics to Jericho and inserted it into a card. I'm not sure she understood it, but it meant something to me anyway! :~) "And we got drunk on alcohol And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all" Bob, lovin' all this JC! NP: J. Browne, "Cocaine" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:36:40 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:RIP Isaac Guillory (NJC) Azeem wrote:- And another one bites the dust. As there are so many great musicians on the list, many with encyclopedic knowledge of guitarists, I'm sure people will have heard of Isaac Guillory, who died a couple of days ago. I only saw him play once, and wasn't familiar with the bands he'd played with, the wonderfully named Pacific Eardrum being the main one. I saw Isaac supporting as a soloist John Renbourne about a year or so ago and he was superb. Did you know that it was his daughter who played the lead role in the recent Kingsley Amis adaptation on TV? I read an article about her a few weeks ago in which she said she was so proud of her father who I think she described as a "specialist" guitarist with a niche role or something like that. Any idea what he died of? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:39:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD <> D'oh! Ya' got me!! So how about: a.) The teenyboppers who pick up the CD and it gets them into Joni at some point; or b.) The "Music In Schools" program gets all those schoolkids singing Both Sides Now like me & Mark & Kakki did! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > So how about: > > a.) The teenyboppers who pick up the CD and it gets > them into Joni at some point; or > > b.) The "Music In Schools" program gets all those > schoolkids singing Both Sides Now like me & Mark & > Kakki did! :~) > It would certainly be pretty to think so! ;-) Unfortunately, I guess I'm just having a little trouble seeing through my cynicism on the whole issue at the moment. Oh well, won't be the first time, probably won't be the last ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:33:39 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Words in Oils All this talk about favourite images now. Man! I can't think of one off hand that ain't a favourite image. Might have been an easier poser - is there anything she's painted in her word tapestries that leave you ... well ... well ... blank? Lines she put there that should've been erased. She sings in swirling oils and paints words woven with woe and wonder simultaneously. A lyrical landscape of musical musings. My 2am's worth. BTW - I still reckon the song DJRD is her lyrical peak. Out on the vast and subtle plains of mystery a split tongue spirit talks ....... snakes ... eagles in jet trails ... big bird dragging its tail in the dust .... kite flying on a string. And the rest. As I say, easier (though ironically harder) to choose a line that doesn't have an image to talk about. Therefore, why talk about it? One that hasn't been mentioned so far (oh here I go getting into it) the recent; In the back booth of an all night cafe, Two dripping raincoats are hanging, Outside in the weather, The shade on the streetlight is clanging, And they smile ear to ear eye to eye, Ice cream is melting on a piece of pie, oh oh my my, My my I should get off to bed. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:59:01 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Brian update (NJC) Mags just called. Brian went in at 12:30PM, and the operation should last about 4 hours. Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. I'll write with news as soon as I hear anything. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Another killer image plucked from a song chock-full of 'em "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands Cast iron and frail With her impossibly gentle hands And her blood-red fingernails" My goodness! Elvis Costello was right on the money! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:06:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: "Covers & Contributions, Volume 37" Beck, "Jungleline" Eminem, "Dreamland" Radiohead, "Woodstock" Paul Simon, "Urge For Going" Steely Dan, "Harlem In Havana" Destiny's Child, "All I Want" Macy Gray, "Strange Boy" Madonna, "Magdalene Laundries" U2, "Beat of Black Wings" 'N Sync, "Love" Backstreet Boys, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Barenaked Ladies, "Shiny Toys" The Corrs, "Sisotowbell Lane" Christina Aguilera, "Dancin' Clown" Aimee Mann, "Help Me" Britney Spears, "Big Yellow Taxi" It could happen...as Brian would say, "yeah, right"... Bob, apologizing for all the posts - I'll shut up now NP: J. Browne, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: > Bob ... please put down the 8-foot beer bong ... and back slowly away! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:38:56 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Good bye Al This is my small salute to Al McGuire, whose descriptives commentating college basketball bordered on genius. Terms like "white knuckler" when a game was going to be a hard fought one. If a player missed a shot while trying to impress there was a little too much "french pastry". The "hail mary" pass (long full court pass) started with him. Now that is used by everyone. He will be missed by many. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:25:45 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD In a message dated 1/30/01 1:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > But isn't there just a wee bit of whiny white kid/girly guile justice in the > fact that Joni will get some royalty pennies for every teenybopper who > Perhaps justice isn't always "Just Ice". Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:52:27 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD But Don won't be happy until the 2004 release of "Puppy Eat Puppy," i which a variety of boy bands covers every song on Dog Eat Dog. Paul I In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 2:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: "Covers & Contributions, Volume 37" Beck, "Jungleline" Eminem, "Dreamland" Radiohead, "Woodstock" Paul Simon, "Urge For Going" Steely Dan, "Harlem In Havana" Destiny's Child, "All I Want" Macy Gray, "Strange Boy" Madonna, "Magdalene Laundries" U2, "Beat of Black Wings" 'N Sync, "Love" Backstreet Boys, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Barenaked Ladies, "Shiny Toys" The Corrs, "Sisotowbell Lane" Christina Aguilera, "Dancin' Clown" Aimee Mann, "Help Me" Britney Spears, "Big Yellow Taxi" It could happen...as Brian would say, "yeah, right"... Bob, apologizing for all the posts - I'll shut up now NP: J. Browne, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:52:29 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD But Don won't be happy until the 2004 release of "Puppy Eat Puppy," i which a variety of boy bands covers every song on Dog Eat Dog. Paul I In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 2:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: "Covers & Contributions, Volume 37" Beck, "Jungleline" Eminem, "Dreamland" Radiohead, "Woodstock" Paul Simon, "Urge For Going" Steely Dan, "Harlem In Havana" Destiny's Child, "All I Want" Macy Gray, "Strange Boy" Madonna, "Magdalene Laundries" U2, "Beat of Black Wings" 'N Sync, "Love" Backstreet Boys, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Barenaked Ladies, "Shiny Toys" The Corrs, "Sisotowbell Lane" Christina Aguilera, "Dancin' Clown" Aimee Mann, "Help Me" Britney Spears, "Big Yellow Taxi" It could happen...as Brian would say, "yeah, right"... Bob, apologizing for all the posts - I'll shut up now NP: J. Browne, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:17:58 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: RIP Isaac Guillory (NJC) Ah, I thought the name was familiar...in fact, I immediately thought "oh, that's the surname of the gorgeous girl who was in Take A Girl Like That recently" - I never forget the name of someone as beautiful as she is. So, they are actually father and daughter... I have never heard of Isaac, which shows just what an uneducated music slut I really am. At least I've belatedly discovered the joys of Buena Vista Social Club, thus broadening my horizons. I saw it last night, and was spellbound. Jason. Gertus@aol.com wrote: > > Did you know that it was his daughter who played the lead role in the recent > Kingsley Amis adaptation on TV? I read an article about her a few weeks ago > in which she said she was so proud of her father who I think she described as > a "specialist" guitarist with a niche role or something like that. > Any idea what he died of? > > Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > But Don won't be happy until the 2004 release of > "Puppy Eat Puppy," I'd never expect that! How in the world would the poor, sweet dears be able to sing all those big words and dance at the same time!?!? Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:24:50 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD >--- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: >> >Bob ... please put down the 8-foot beer bong ... and >back slowly away! ;-) > >Don Rowe That's NOT a bong... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song The weird thing is that, even though Neil wrote "Everybody's talkin'", and Nilsson wrote "I guess the Lord must be...", it was Nilsson who had a hit... singing Neil's song. Hmmm. - --- Stephen Epstein wrote: > Don't have any further info on songs written > specifically for this movie, > but DO know that Everybody's Talkin' was written by > Fred Neil, who also > penned The Dolphins- covered by many! > > Stephen in Vancouver > > > > > "c Karma" on 01/29/2001 > 11:18:08 AM > > Please respond to "c Karma" > > To: joni@smoe.org > cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) > Subject: The Midnight Cowboy Song > > > > > I hope this isn't revisionist history, but I think > it's possible that "The > Midnight Cowboy Song" (see latest post at > jonimitchell.com) was in fact > written for the film. I read an interview with > Harry Nilsson (songwriting > God, IMHO: I hope Joni covers his "Remember > " on her yule > collection) where in regard to "Everybody's Talkin' > At Me" Nilsson said > that > he and several other songwriters had songs solicited > for the film, > including > Joni. I can't remember who the other writers were, > but would love to hear > if anyone else remembers this interview, or similar > and knows if any of the > other submitted songs saw the light of day. > CC > "A celluloid rider comes to town, cinematic lovers > sway." -- JM > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #50 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?