From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 048 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work [JRMCo1@aol.com] Favorite Joni image ["Megan" ] Joni's poetic genius [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Brian Blade Interview-SJC [Catherine Udall Turley ] Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work [Don Rowe ] RE: favorite Images ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: My Hejira (NJC) ["Mike Hicks" ] RE: What's your favorite Joni album?NJC ["Peg Eves" ] re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] Bad News (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] NJC 14 reasons to give up alcohol njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Anniversary of Gene Autry show... [Steve Dulson ] Re: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: Toaster?, NJC ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: xena is back! (NJC) + school choirs/Pagliacci/quitting jobs [Catherin] Re: New Web Site With Joni Content/Favorite albums ["Paul Pennington" ] "Jazz" tonight, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchells work [Randy Remote ] Re: New Web Site With Joni Content/Favorite albums [Randy Remote ] The Midnight Cowboy Song [Gary Zack ] Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work [Vince Lavieri ] Isaac Guillory (NJC) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] More News About Brian (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] NJC Musical Mondegreens [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Seagulls and Sex Kills [Vince Lavieri ] Re: More News About Brian (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 03:20:43 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work Sometimes I think I love them all, but these speak to me with profundity lately: "There's a man who's climbed a mountain And he's calling out her name And he hopes her heart can hear three thousand miles He calls again..." "And I dreamed I saw the bombers Riding shotgun in the sky Turning into butterflies Above our nation..." "I met you on a midway at a fair last year And you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear..." "Everything comes and goes Marked by lovers and styles of clothes..." - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:34:59 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Favorite Joni image Here's my favorite "serious" Joni image: >Anima rising > Queen of Queens >Wash my guilt of Eden >Wash and balance me >Anima rising >Uprising in me tonight >She's a vengeful little goddess >With an ancient crown to fight and my favorite "fun" Joni image is: >The Botticelli black boy >With the fuchsias in his hair >Is breathing in women like oxygen >On the Spanish stairs -------Megan :~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:03:11 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Joni's poetic genius Here's a thread I never tire of; the lines that spring to mind first tend to be from Hejira, viz: Pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps In the grey decay They chew the last few dollars off old Beale Street's carcass Carrion and mercy And: In the church they light the candles And the wax rolls down like tears There is the hope and hopelessness I've witnessed thirty years And: A thousand glass eyes were staring In a cellar full of antique dolls And yes, it is my favourite album, to answer the other question. Azeem in London PS I also love those lines from A Case Of You which have been cited on the list, and remember snorting with derision at Brian Hinton's complete inability to grasp them in his much maligned book. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:30:40 -0700 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Re: Brian Blade Interview-SJC Elizabeth Udall wrote: > Don't know if anyone has seen this but there is an interview with Brian > Blade in The Onion. Mentions how Joni was his greatest musical influence. > It's a short article but thought people might be interested. > You can find it at: > > http://avclub.theonion.com/bonusfeature1.html > (Hey Tebber :-) And for all things Brian Blade, might I recommend, Jane Siberry's cd "Maria." His drumming is freaking brilliant on this brilliant album. Apparently she sought him out for a jazz collaboration a little prior to his working with Joan. From Jane's website (www.sheeba.ca) "For Maria, Siberry assembled a band from scratch. At the core is the rhythm section anchored by drummer Brian Blade, best known for his work with jazz wunderkind Joshua Redman and producer/recording artist Daniel Lanois. "I first saw Brian play with Daniel Lanois at a festival. He had on a pair of white pants made out of good quality linen. We understood each other immediately," Siberry recalls. "I knew if I were to do this record on such short notice, I needed a rhythm section that had already worked together, so I asked Brian to choose a bass player." Blade recruited stand-up bass player Christopher Thomas who also works with Redman as well as Betty Carter." I know that there are Sib fans on the list (Hi Azeem!) who have sung her praises here before, but at last, I have discovered "Maria' and 'When I Was a Boy' several years after their original release dates, and I can't freaking stop listening to them. It is Siberry invasion at my house--in the car, in the boombox, in the tapedeck, in the dvd player, in the cd changer, in the mini-disk player, MP3s on the computer. She'd be in my walkman, but it is still packed in a box somewhere (with a Joni tape in it no doubt). Oh, I've said freaking twice in this post. A sure indication that its time to sign off for now-- Catherine T., freaking in the Great Northwest (Third time's a charm . . .) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 08:32:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work I am from the Sunday school I sing soprano in the upstairs choir You are a holy man On the F.M. radio Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:10:01 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: New Web Site With Joni Content/Favorite albums The entire metaphor of a seagull representing freedom is > just too bJohn Livingston Seagullb to really make any sense as anything > other that a tired clichC)." Just for the record, the album "Jonathan Livingston Seagull", recorded by Neil Diamond, was not released until 1973, five years after "Song to a Seagull". They happen to be two of my favorite albums and neither one really rings of a cliche in my opinion-I find them very different in fact. But if any claim is to be made, Joni's album was the first. The only other song I can think of that uses the image of a seagull is a Bad Company song. While we're on the subject of favorite Joni Albums, I find it impossible to pick one favorite. In the past year or so, I've been very drawn to Hejira and HOSL. The very first Joni I ever heard was STAS, and in many ways, it will always be my favorite for it just completely enchanted me and I've never been the same ever since. (I even wrote a song once called "Song for a Seagull" which I hope to record soon.) A casual friend in college (1988) just happened to lend me a copy and up to that point, the only Joni Mitchell I had heard was CSNY covering Woodstock. Interestingly enough, the copy he lent me was on cd. I used to still buy alot of vinyl when I was in college, so I soon went out and picked up several of her records in the used vinyl store. Not long after that, I formed a duo with my friend Nancy and we played originals and Joni songs. Gosh, so many memories start flooding back when I think about those days... I must add in closing, that BSN, the album, also ranks up there as one of my favorite. I wasn't really sold on it until I went to the Chastain show and saw an unbelievable live performance. It really brings home to me, what an impact seeing someone live has. You can't really get the same impression until you actually see someone and listen to them in person. I'll never forget sitting a couple of feet in front of James Taylor and just sinking into my seat. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:37:22 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: New Web Site With Joni Content and a Joni Section In a message dated 1/28/01 6:20:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > (Rolling Stone did NOT call HOSL the > year's worst album, but rather the year's worst album COVER.) > Hi Bob, Rolling Stone called HOSL the worse Album TITLE of the year (not the worst cover or the worst album of the year, as it is often thought). BTW, I recently purchased a book called "The 100 Greatest Album Covers in Rock and Roll" and HOSL is listed (they are not listed in any order). All the best, Stephen (who loves everything about HOSL and never understood why Rolling Stone said this) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:59:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Web Site With Joni Content and a Joni Section <> Thanks for setting me straight, Stephen, I *knew* that but I had so much steam coming outta my ears I couldn't think clearly or see through the smoke! ;~) Bob NP: The Breeders, "Cannonball" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:03:21 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Job Changes NJC I went freelance three years go (egads, *that* long???) and thought I was doing it for the money. I was sadly naive... The money is pretty good, I have to admit, but the sense of absolute control and flexibility that I now have is by far the most valuable aspect of it for me. It took me a while to realise it, but lack of control when working in big companies was really pissing me off! The best manifestation of that? Being able to turn away work that I don't want to do or can't do, and not getting shouted at by the sales director! Other good things? Work when you want, take days off when you feel like it, wear what you want, sing at the top of your voice while working, work with your pets, work in the sunshine in the garden, yada yada yada. Most of the time my work-related stress level is pretty low. Of course, I sometimes end up with enough stress in the rest of my life to make up for it, but hey :) Do bear in mind that cash*flow* can get interesting when freelancing. Not many people got presents from me this Christmas, for example. But if you can live with that risk, and find yourself a supportive bank, then JFDI :-) Oh, but don't *ever* go back to full-time employment. Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work Blue and silver sparkling drums Cheap guitars, eye shades and guns Aimed at the hot blood of being no one Down and out in Memphis Tennessee Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:15:02 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: re: New Web Site With Joni Content and a Joni Section Well, Kurt I've looked at the Joni section of your new site. To be honest (since you asked for opinions) I'd have to give you mixed reviews. (Just so you know, I'm an award winning technical writer, editor, and Web site designer. I'm speaking here as a professional - not so much as someone who likes Joni's music.) The writing: You could use an editor. Although sentences in your style could work fine on a printed page, shorter sentences and paragraphs work well on a Web site. You're also missing a slew of commas - but that's just the editor in me :-) The layout: Good layout and interesting color scheme. You haven't attempted anything too technically tricky, but what you've done works well. I'm from the 'make lots of short pages' school, so that's what I'd recommend. However, I do recognize there's equal support for longer and fewer pages. The content: I'm not going to focus on what you say and whether I agree with it. Some I do; some I don't. I was hoping to find something new and different, however. I didn't. From that point of view, I have to wonder what the 'value-added' is. If you want to generate traffic, you have to offer something to make people want to return. The jonimitchell.com site does that quite nicely, with news updated regularly, for example. [Even a site like amazon.com does this with its recommendations.] One of the hard truths of the Web is that people won't keep coming back solely for your opinion. You need something to make it worth their while. One final comment: Get rid of the 'click here to enter' page. It's my personal pet peeve. And in all the Web design classes and usability seminars I've taken it's strongly discouraged. You might want to check out "Don't Make Me Think! A Common Sense Approach to Web Site Usability" by Steve Krug. It's very readable and offers lots of good info about creating usable Web sites. Hope this helps. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:46:18 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: most admired image In a highway service station taken over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth taken coming back from the moon. And you couldn't see a city on that marbeled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway Or me here least of all. You couldn't see these cold water restrooms or this baggage overload Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads. AHHHhhhhh. That felt good. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:24:05 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: favorite Images so so so many, "and there are black babies dancin' tonite" "i remember that time you told me 'love is touching souls' surely you touched mine cause part of yours pours out of me in these lines from time to time" "i went runnin' like a white-assed deer" and finally, the BESt "theres a poppy wreath on a soldier's tomb there's a poppy snake in a dressing room poppy posion--- poppy tourniquet it slitherss away on brass--like mouthpiece spit" blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:51:07 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: My Hejira (NJC) > From: FMYFL@aol.com > Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 11:39:45 EST > Subject: My Hejira (NJC) > To: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: FMYFL@aol.com > Hi good friends! > > I haven't posted much lately, and I'll be leaving Sunday morning for a much > needed vacation. Even though you might not think that "Hejira" would be the > appropriate word for vacation (or holiday for the non US listers), this > really will be a hejira for me. It will be a journey to see "who I really > am", and what my future holds. I plan on taking all my Joni CD's plus all 16 > Joni covers CD's (thanks again Bob). I also plan on taking my JMDL t-shirt > in hopes of striking up a conversation with unkown Joni lovers. > > I'll be unsub.ing late tonight, so don't talk about too many fun things while > I'm gone. I'll miss my Joni family ! > > We're only particles of change I know I know > Orbiting around the sun > But how can I have that point of view > When I'm always bound and tied to someone > > Hugs to you all, and I'll be thinking about you Brian. > > Jimmy Happy motoring! Enjoy the sounds. I never travel without her either. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:03:36 -0500 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: What's your favorite Joni album?NJC Old hippie. > > Call me an old hippie, but for sentimental value and all time favorite, > it's got to be Blue, with Ladies of the Canyon as a close second. > > Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:12:25 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Covert Complicity, notches "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's that about? read Pat's post... I think Joni is asking whether her admirer is true in his/her intent. Does the person really mean what he/she is saying or is he/she just hitting on her to advance their own means? Joni has long been surrounded by "thieves and sycophants" within the record industry. I don't think it's uncommon for persons of celebrity to wake up some days feeling like they don't have a true friend in the world. Such feelings of selflessness are frightening, and Joni is no stranger to writing from that perspective. Kinda like the genesis for Sally Field's surprised, "You like me, you really like me." Going out on a limb again on this one (grammatically), I think some confusion arises from two areas: 1. the use of "covert" as a verb, rather than adjective (very efficient, IMHO, to imply paranoia), and 2. the disconnect in the plural relating the second part of the question back to "smiles." Elements of Style would probably rewrite this as, "Does your smile covert (sic) complicity, debase as it admires? As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" always seemed more of a stream of consciousness poem, so I just roll with it. But stretch with me, won't you...the image it conjures up for me is one of those inflatable party dolls, the "notches" are belt notches (But who's counting? Rolling Stone?), and the word "liberation" could be construed as sneering derision based on gender (it WAS the '70s). Applying this, I'd guess it isn't a very flattering thing to call someone. No wonder Anima's rising! CC "Somehow the slightest touch of a stranger sets up a trembling in my bones." - -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:02:44 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Bad News (NJC) I just got off the phone with Mags. She is at the hospital in New Jersey by Brian's side, and the news is not good. His arteries are 100% blocked, and he is very lucky to even be alive. They have admitted him, and he will have bypass surgery very soon, probably tomorrow. I asked Mags to let me know what time the suregery will be so those who feel drawn to can collectively send some healing thoughts at that time. I'll write in with updates as soon as I receive them. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:13:34 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC 14 reasons to give up alcohol njc Just occasionally, one of these email round-robin jokes makes me laugh out loud. This one did, so in the spirit of laughter being the best medicine, here it is... Due to increasing product liability, alcoholic beverages manufacturers have accepted the Medical Association's suggestion that the following warning labels be placed immediately on all bottles. 1. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may make you think you are whispering when you are not. 2. Warning: Consumption of alcohol is a major factor in dancing like a wanker. 3. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell the same boring story over and over again until your friends want to smash your face in. 4. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe that ex-lovers are really dying for you to telephone them at 4 in the morning. 5. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering what the hell happened to your clothes. 6. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may make you think you can logically converse with other members of the opposite sex without spitting. 7. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may make you think you possess mystical Kung Fu powers. 8. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may cause you to roll over in the morning and see something really scary (whose name, and/or species you can't remember). 9. Warning: Consumption of alcohol is the leading cause of inexplicable rug burns on the forehead. 10. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may lead to traffic signs and cones appearing in your home. 11. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe you are invisible. 12. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe that people are laughing with you. 13. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may cause an influx in the time-space continuum, whereby small (and sometimes large) gaps of time may seem to literally disappear. 14. Warning: Consumption of alcohol may actually cause pregnancy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:34:31 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... Irish Philip wrote: >You're so right Bob. That's my favourite tape ever. Were any list >members lucky enough to be at the show (Kakki, Steve ?) I'd love to hear >about it. No. The then-hip radio station - KSCA? - was giving out tickets via a phone-in Joni trivia contest. I knew all the answers, of course :) but could never get through as caller thirteen or whatever they were looking for. And Hostess Supreme Kakki wrote: >Arrrrrrrrrrrr! It's only a few minutes drive from me, too. Ah well, >live and learn...I would have fainted to have been there. >Now I'll go kick myself again for good measure ;-) But Kakki, three years later we had the PWWAM taping at which so many of our Joni dreams came true... :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:08:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... Also, for those who haven't already seen it, there's a wealth of info about the show (courtesy of Sue Mac!)and 2 great pics of Joni performing at JM.com in the "Bio" section. Even if you HAVE seen it, it's always worth a 2nd look, or a 3rd, or...;~) Bob NP: Jonatha Brooke & The Story, "Nothing Sacred" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:54:55 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:06:47 EST > Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work > To: davidsapp@peoplepc.com, joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > "You brush against a stranger, and you both apologize".... Yes sir ree! That IS good stuff! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:37:48 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchells work I am new to the list and just wanted to add my 2cents: given in the night to dark dreams from the dark things she feels she covers her eyes in the x-rated scenes running from the reels and of course: She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand She says "You can't hold the hand of a Rock'n'Roll man-very long Or count on your plans with a Rock'n'Roll man-very long Compete with the fans for your Rock'n'Roll man-For very long The girls and the bands and the Rock'n'Roll man" Also favorite albums (this is hard but it waivers between these) HOSL FTR MOA Blue C&S _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:46:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Couple of questions Don't know if anyone knows anything about either of these, but thought I'd throw them out anyway: 1. I see where The Last Waltz is going to become a DVD. I couldn't locate any details, I'm just wondering if the 'enhanced' version of this wonderful show is going to include any additional Joni! I hope so, obviously, as she played a great set that night! 2. Thanks to Gary Z. for those lyrics to "Midnight Cowboy", or "The Midnight Cowboy Song". As that particular 1969 film is still my favorite of all time, I can't help but think that the song is based on the book/movie. I'm familiar with the movie, but I don't know when the book came out. Nor do I know when Joni wrote the song. Perhaps it was solicited for the movie but not used? Harry Nilsson wrote "I Guess The Lord Must Be In New York City" for the film, and it wasn't used. Anyway, Joni wrote lines that parallel almost exactly with the story of would-be gigolo Joe Buck. Hopefully those of you who are familiar with the Jon-Voight/Dustin Hoffman classic and have seen the lyrics will comment. Bob NP: Jonatha Brooke & The Story, "Is This All" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:13:32 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) In a message dated 1/29/01 1:58:39 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Thanks to Gary Z. for those lyrics to "Midnight Cowboy", or "The Midnight Cowboy Song". As that particular 1969 film is still my favorite of all time, I can't help but think that the song is based on the book/movie. I'm familiar with the movie, but I don't know when the book came out. >> Copyright 1965 by James Leo Herlihy Published by Simon and Schuster, Inc. I like the book, but I think this is one of those very rare instances where the movie is actually much better. I had to sneek in to the movie when it was first in theaters because it had an X rating! Now, it's an American classic that has stood the test of time beautifully. It's also one of my all-time favorites, Bob. "When we get to Miami, call me Rico." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:18:08 From: "c Karma" Subject: The Midnight Cowboy Song I hope this isn't revisionist history, but I think it's possible that "The Midnight Cowboy Song" (see latest post at jonimitchell.com) was in fact written for the film. I read an interview with Harry Nilsson (songwriting God, IMHO: I hope Joni covers his "Remember " on her yule collection) where in regard to "Everybody's Talkin' At Me" Nilsson said that he and several other songwriters had songs solicited for the film, including Joni. I can't remember who the other writers were, but would love to hear if anyone else remembers this interview, or similar and knows if any of the other submitted songs saw the light of day. CC "A celluloid rider comes to town, cinematic lovers sway." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:31:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) <> Hard to believe that X rating given today's standards, huh? I didn't see it in the theaters, I saw many chopped-up versions on TV before I saw the complete uncut version many years later on video. But I *did* see the previews at the theater, and it singularly inspired me to get into acting, if only at the community theatre "Waiting For Guffman" level! :~) And that SHOULD have been Dustin's first Oscar, except the Academy gave it to John Wayne for True Grit because he was dying of cancer... JC: Glen Campbell, also in True Grit, turns in a fine rendition of BSN. Hell, Wayne probably did one too, we just don't have it yet! :~D Anyway, thanks for that info. I'm 100% convinced that Joni wrote her song based on the 1965 book. It'll take a good argument to convince me otherwise... Bob, who has an original Midnight Cowboy movie poster framed and hanging on a wall in his home NP: Jonatha, "TenCent Wings" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:46:52 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) In a message dated 1/29/01 2:31:32 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: << And that SHOULD have been Dustin's first Oscar, except the Academy gave it to John Wayne for True Grit because he was dying of cancer... <> Bob, who has an original Midnight Cowboy movie poster framed and hanging on a wall in his home >> Good for you, Bob! And I agree about Hoffman, although I don't think John Wayne was actually dying until a few years later, since I remember seeing him in person at the Harvard Square theater in the early 70's for the premier of one of his last films (McQ?). Anyway, he arrived at the theater waving at the crowd from inside an armored tank and lots of the people along the route (Cambridge, Mass., in its radical heyday) pelted him with snowballs. There was a question and answer period before the film, and I remember one guy in the audience standing up and saying, "Mr. Wayne, many of your female costars have said you are hung like a horse. Could you explain what that means?" The audience roared, of course, but Duke went on to the next question. Bob, who has the original "Midnight Cowboy" hardcover on his desk at the moment. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:54:09 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Toaster?, NJC hahahaha...Paz is gonna go sulk again once he reads this! And hey the bribe worked:-) Whew... And who is Kelly LeBrock? Love Nikki np: Kate bennet ~Indigo Blue "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > MGVal@aol.com > OK, this just happened on Saturday: > > A friend of mine came over with her new baby. She's sitting in my reading > chair, nursing her, and looking at the photo in a stained glass > frame that > Nikki brought me as a bribe to not wake her up too early. Laura > looks at the > photo and says: > > "Jesus Christ! Don't tell me that Steve Seagal is a member of > that Joni List." > > I said sure: "Can't you tell that's me and Kelly LeBrock?" > > MG > > np: hacking, coughing, wheezing from the House of Contagion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:52:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Midnight Cowboy (NJC) <> Correct...but at the time they THOUGHT he was going to assume room temp. at any time, hence the award. His final film was "The Shootist", which was actually (sorry Lori) a real good movie, and I don't even like westerns... Bob "John Wayne was bald, and he had a woman's name" - Stan Ridgway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: xena is back! (NJC) + school choirs/Pagliacci/quitting jobs I never really went away. I'm just so swamped with work, which keeps interfering with my *life*! I've been deleting a lot of stuff without reading it so I hope I didn't miss anything good! I keep coming back to over 100 e-mails. I've been reading the e-mails from people who quit their jobs to do what they *really want to do*. Let me tell you, I'm jealous. My job is driving me crazy, but I'm the only wage-earner in the family so I can't just quit Omigod, I'm a prisoner - I'd slash my wrists if I thought it would do any good. Are there communes anymore? I'd go live on one, but I don't like people that much, and I don't like sharing, so that's really not an option, is it? Damn. Noted the stuff about school choirs and what they're singing these days. The stuff my kids' school choir does is pretty darn sophisticated compared to what any of their other schools used to do, but I think they're blessed with a really good vocal teacher. I'm amazed he can get this stuff out of even the youngest kids - their Christmas concert is always a big hit and I never come away from one without tears in my eyes (the good kind, not the "God, what awful singing" kind). As to the Pagliacci summer frocks, I figure it just refers to fluffy frilly ones - the kind of thing you see around the clown's neck in the typical Pagliacci picture. Maybe I'm just too superficial - I don't know much about opera. I wonder if it's even the opera Joni's referring to? - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > catherine!!!!!!!! you're resurfaced!!! glad to hear > from you! > wallyK Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:39:03 -0500 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Re: New Web Site With Joni Content/Favorite albums Hey Victor; Had to chime in to add that Jonathan Livingston Seagull is one of my favorites too. Unlike you, I bought this album soon after it came out. I had almost forgotten about it -- I'll have to pick up a CD. Like you, I'm very fond of Joni's first album. Another "seagull" song with a Joni connection is on Judy Collins' album "Wildflowers". This of course is the 1967 album with her cover of Both Sides Now, but it also contains "Albatross", by Judy herself, which actually mentions seagulls instead in the lyrics. The lovely flute accompaniment also suggests seagulls swooping about, to me at least. Maybe you could play flute AND sing this one at an upcoming gig :-) The new web site mentions that the master tapes for the STAS sessions were damaged. I had forgotten about this, but Brian Hinton mentions it in his book on page 87: "Apparently the master tapes were accidentally damaged, and when they were restored the high notes had lost their clarity: Joni later said it sounded 'like we recorded it under a bell jar.' ... My own vinyl copy shares this airless sound, but the remastered CD is clear as a bell". So, I guess the folks who have only owned the CD will be puzzled by this item on the web site, which is now only of historical interest. The BSN concert in Atlanta was indeed a pleasant evening in Chastain Park, surpassed only by your gracious hospitality at the pre-concert get-together. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia NP: Judy Collins, "Sky Fell" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:48:23 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Napster to charge membership fees (NJC) Here's an article about Napster's plan to begin charging membership fees, from which royalties will be paid. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1142000/1142663.stm --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:09:29 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: "O Brother Where Art Thou" NJC Funny you should mention this movie, Bob. Alison and I went to see it just before we flew our separate ways out of SoCal after the L.A. minifest. I got a major kick out of it, just as I do from all the Coen Brothers' films. So original and surrealistic. I hope Alison posts about the music, 'cause she seems to be an expert on the bluegrass genre and was explaining the origin of alot of the music to me afterwards...very interesting. For my part, I couldn't help blurting out "Ayyyyyyyy am a man of constant sorrooooow!!!!" while convulsively rolling on the floor laughing for the rest of that evening. We even went to the Virgin megastore in the Ontario Mills mega outlet mall to check out the soundtrack. Although I wound up ordering it from Amazon, I did pick up the latest Tracy Chapman there. Joe Bob says check "O! Brother" out! - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wuxtry njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > "And how will you be spending Wuxtry?" > > lol, sounds like a pagan holiday.... > Definitely pagan - when I said Christmas, I was thinking more of Yuletide, or midwinter or something like that. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:54:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Jazz" tonight, NJC Tonight's episode covers the period from 1956-1960 and is subtitled "The Adventure". It's episode 9 of 10. Don't miss it music fans. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:53:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchells work Great choices! Welcome to the list. blonde in the bleachers wrote: > I am new to the list and just wanted to add my 2cents: > > given in the night to dark dreams > from the dark things she feels > she covers her eyes in the x-rated scenes > running from the reels > > and of course: > > She tapes her regrets to the microphone stand > She says "You can't hold the hand of a Rock'n'Roll man-very long > Or count on your plans with a Rock'n'Roll man-very long > Compete with the fans for your Rock'n'Roll man-For very long > The girls and the bands and the Rock'n'Roll man" > > Also favorite albums (this is hard but it waivers between these) > > HOSL > FTR > MOA > Blue > C&S > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:56:03 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song Don't have any further info on songs written specifically for this movie, but DO know that Everybody's Talkin' was written by Fred Neil, who also penned The Dolphins- covered by many! Stephen in Vancouver "c Karma" on 01/29/2001 11:18:08 AM Please respond to "c Karma" To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: The Midnight Cowboy Song I hope this isn't revisionist history, but I think it's possible that "The Midnight Cowboy Song" (see latest post at jonimitchell.com) was in fact written for the film. I read an interview with Harry Nilsson (songwriting God, IMHO: I hope Joni covers his "Remember " on her yule collection) where in regard to "Everybody's Talkin' At Me" Nilsson said that he and several other songwriters had songs solicited for the film, including Joni. I can't remember who the other writers were, but would love to hear if anyone else remembers this interview, or similar and knows if any of the other submitted songs saw the light of day. CC "A celluloid rider comes to town, cinematic lovers sway." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:07:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: New Web Site With Joni Content/Favorite albums Victor Johnson wrote: > The entire metaphor of a seagull representing freedom is > > just too bJohn Livingston Seagullb to really make any sense as anything > > other that a tired clichC)." > > Just for the record, the album "Jonathan Livingston Seagull", recorded by > Neil Diamond, was not released until 1973, five years after "Song to a > Seagull". Richard Bach's book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" was first published in 1970. There was also an album narrated by Richard Harris. I thought it was strange when Diamond's work came out because the whole phenomenon had come and gone. > The only other song I can think of that uses the image of a seagull is a Bad > Company song. There must be lots. I can think of two by David Crosby; "Guinnevere" and "The Lee Shore" and another by Mark-Almond (title? "Home?") In fact most songs written by bouys are about gulls.... .....sorry...... RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:43:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Job Changes some JC Chris said, "Other good things? Work when you want, take days off when you feel like it, wear what you want, sing at the top of your voice while working, work with your pets, work in the sunshine in the garden, yada yada yada. LOL. Last weekend, Phyliss told my husband & I her story of meeting joni who was having lunch at 4 pm cuz she's a nightowl. Which has given me a great rationalization for the weird hours I have been keeping since I quit my day job. Just this morning (barely), I stumbled out of bed after working til about 3am, wearing my favorite outfit-- my pink joni t courtesy of russ, some old sweats, & my faux leopard slippers..., poured some coffee, which my husband made (usually I do) so he could have some while it was still morning he said...to which I replied, well I'm a friend of joni... (kinda like people in recovery referring to themselves as friends of bill w.) ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:31:00 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: The Midnight Cowboy Song Hi there all, Bob M. made me think a bit about the Midnight Cowboy Song (by the way, on the album by Donal Leace it is just titled "Midnight Cowboy") but I realize that the web site has it as "The Midnight Cowboy Song" which may well be true, as I discovered in the past that Joni had once or twice changed the name of a song. Marcie, for instance I believe was first called "Portrait In Red And Green" according to the copyright office. I am guessing it's the same song since there are obvious red/green references in Marcie. And it's just like Joni to mix art and music, as in "Portrait....In Red And Green." Just another thing I love about her imagery. I'm not sure there is necessarily a deep, dark, story in "Cowboy" though there might be. Still there are just lines that I love about it, especially the Joniesque, "You were walking kind of faded, from the Netherlands Hotel..." and "There's a soldier in the depot, he's a fighting nightingale..." but regardless, one can get whatever one might identify with from the song. Interestingly, "There's a soldier, in the the depot", fits perfectly as a line for "Cactus Tree." I think that's why I love Joni' music so much. Some of you know that I will be moving back to Los Angeles soon, (from Detroit). Even with a song of Joni's written around 1972 or so, that I hear the first time in the year 2001, and sung by someone else, I find I can still identify with some of the lyrics and they pierce me at the right time. I could always relate personally to every new work she put out. This one, rather ironic, I identified with as I listened, at that moment. "Hey Joe, why don't you go back home? Really hate to see you falling down, get out of town." I need a change in my life right now. I identifed. That's what I think many of us love about Joni's music. We can identify so personally with so many things she says, and it seems she finds us with these songs at the right time in our lives. Any-who, this is hardly a plumb the depths kind of examination of "Cowboy" obviously. But I thought I'd take a plunge, and share something for a change, for what it's worth. Best to you all, Gary P.S. I am forwarding the song on to Bob M., so you can all have a listen on a future covers CD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:48:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work Julius aka JRMCo1@aol.com included as among his admnired lyric: > "And I dreamed I saw the bombers > Riding shotgun in the sky > Turning into butterflies > Above our nation..." And I say yes to that one. And I would also add "All I really really want our love to do is to bring out the best in me and in you too." Peace, and love, just about covers it all. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Job Changes NJC speaking of job changes i am leaving pbs. (for those of you who care!) i start my new job with Ross & Lawrence Public Relations on thursday. after being at the same job for 7 and a half years, i am now just jumping all over the place. this is a truly excellent career opportunity, so let's all hope i don't screw it up! i may have to go to digest! take care all, and all my best of the best energy to you, brian and mags. love, alison e. in nyc Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:48:44 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Isaac Guillory (NJC) I read Azeem's mail with great sorrow. I had no idea Isaac had died. We supported him (in a previous band) at a gig a few years back. He was a truly magnificent musician and a very nice man too. Our guitarist, Paul, particularly admired (envied) his ability on the guitar. As Azeem says, it was like watching three players at once, and was enough to put off any guitar hopefuls for life. He will be missed. Clive. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:53:21 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: More News About Brian (NJC) Brian is the 2nd one scheduled for surgery tomorrow, which means he will probably go in around 11 or 12. Both he and Mags are understandably scared, and trying to hang in there. I know your good thoughts make a difference. I will send word as soon as I hear exactly when he will be operated on. If anyone is on digest and would like a direct e-mail, please let me know. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:51:06 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Musical Mondegreens Out from deepest lurkerdom to report a couple of musical Mondegreens that I ran into in Smithsonian Magazine, and which had me laughing most all day long: a reported reference to some jazz music by 'the loneliest monk' an English Composition professor reported a student essay containing a reference to a 'rather uppity, self-impressed young woman' as a 'pre-Madonna'. (both good, but not to challenge 'the gay pair of guys who put in a parking lot'!) Chucke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:25:45 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Seagulls and Sex Kills Welcome to the JMDL, blonde in the bleachers! As a vivid image in Joni's lyrics, I would differ from I think all of the other posts on this one and say that I think "Sex Kills" is right up there. I am very wary of saying this because I am clergy and this is *not* some moralistic rant - you should know me better than that by now - - but sex does indeed sometimes kill. Back in 1996 while working with a bunch of college kids during STD Awareness Week (something we never had when I was that age) which was just about the time - but still before - I got Turbulaent Indigo, I was discussing the whole STD thing with some of my co-workers and one of them looked at me and said, "The difference between your generation and mine is that when you discovered sex, you worried about disease; we worry about death." Take this to Africa now: the debate about whether American pharmacutical companies should market AIDS meds in Africa, or distribute at a reduced price than is done in the US... as South Africa questions whether AIDS is indeed sexually transmitted in the midst of the skyrocketing numbers of AIDS cases in Africa, suspecting that AIDS is a form of biological warfare directed against Africans by whites (which sounds fantatsic to us, but given the history of apartheid, and current bio-chemical warfare trials in SA, a legit question there) ... these are justice issues, and Joni alone shows us that there is another dimension to sex in today's world, it is a justice issue and sex can indeed, in some defined circumstances, kill. The fact that the image, "sex kills", is jarring to so many is because we needed Joni to lift that that dimension of the reality to make us think. It bothers us... it should... Joni disturbs our complacency, and right on to her for that. As well, sex is sometimes used a weapon in personal relationships... and can be a killer that way too. And as far as Jonathan Livingston Seagull... didn't the book by Richard Bach get published around 1969 or 1970, several years before the Neil Diamond album? I recall reading it towards the end of 1969 but I could be off a year or so. I think Joni's Song to a Seagull still predates the book, I think there was a seagull thing going on back then. If Otis Redding in 1967 told us we should be sittin' by the dock of the bay, hey, what are you going to see? Seagulls! So no wonder a few years later seagulls started showing up in words and music. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:32:09 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: More News About Brian (NJC) Ashara: Please pass on to Brian and Mags that I will be have them in my thoughts tomorrow, and assure them that I will be praying fervently for Brian's successful surgery and swift recovery. With much love, Julius << Brian is the 2nd one scheduled for surgery tomorrow, which means he will probably go in around 11 or 12. Both he and Mags are understandably scared, and trying to hang in there. I know your good thoughts make a difference. I will send word as soon as I hear exactly when he will be operated on. If anyone is on digest and would like a direct e-mail, please let me know. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #48 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?