From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #34 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 034 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- january20!!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: song for Joni ["Diane Evans" ] 'Blue' HDCD? [Jason Long ] Re: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 'Blue' HDCD? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] joni on vhi.com ["Garret" ] marriage NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] getting together [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: january20!!!!!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: getting together [Jerry Notaro ] Misses? ["william" ] Re: Misses? [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Misses? [mags ] Mr E Mrs ["william" ] They seem so much confetti ["william" ] Re: Misses? ["william" ] really? NJC [catman ] Re: Cat help wanted (NJC) [Seanapper@aol.com] RE: Misses? ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: getting together [Heather ] Re: marriage NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Kid Rock does The Mac [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Audiophile's Corner, NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: 'Blue' HDCD? [Randy Remote ] Re: 'Blue' HDCD?NJC [catman ] amazing NJC [catman ] Re: 'Blue' HDCD?NJC [Jason Maloney ] JMDL -amazing 2 NJC [catman ] RE: really? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: DRJD, song by song ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: DRJD, song by song ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: DRJD, song by song ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: DRJD, song by song [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: DRJD, song by song [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: DRJD, song by song [catman ] ItA Girl Thing ["Lori R. Fye" ] It's A Girl Thing ["Lori R. Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 07:05:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: january20!!!!!!! njc oh baby! oh baby! this is a hot one!!!!! now listen up and hear me through! the naughtiest girl in the universe is having a birthday...and on a saturday too!!! who can doubt that she'll be celebrating in the wickedest of fashions. she left utah and funeral potatoes for new york city, her charm to strut she's one big, wacky tomato she even grabbed bob muller's butt!!!! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y C R A Z Y A L I S O N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND MANY WACKY RETURNS. i love your eyes. can i have one? respectfully, the new millennium birthday fairy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:15:09 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) Darice arrived at my place from Northern Cal this evening for our 3-day roaming jmdler party. We were in frequent cell communication with the contingent down in Anaheim (Paz, Nikki, Alison & Julius) who were mixing Cosmopolitans, singing Joni and Stevie (Nicks) and otherwise having a great time celebrating Alison's birthday. Darice and I headed over to Laurel Canyon for dinner at the charming Pace restaurant. We stopped into the famous Canyon General Store and were peering at the vintage photos in there of the Doors and others from the old neighborhood when the owner told us to check out Jim Morrison's old house directly behind the store - he said to look for the big wood house with the totem pole running through it.. Darice instantly turned into a 13 year old again as we gingerly eased my car onto the 4 foot wide street going the wrong way. There it was - the original Morrison Hotel - a kind of all unfinished redwood three story with a 35 foot high carved white stone totem pole running through it. We noticed a couple "For Sale" signs on the place and Darice took down the realtor info and started calculating how to finance the buy. We got back on Hollywood and stopped into Les Deux Cafes for a nightcap. The formerly Parisian style nightclub in the back has been remodeled and transformed into post-millenium Industrial, but that somehow has made the acoustics phenomenal. There was a jazz group that absolutely blew us away. These guys were a fascinating combination of Van Morrison, Miles Davis, Prince, Stevie Wonder and Marlene Dietrich all rolled into one. We were just mesmerized but about fell off our chairs when they went into an extended and wonderful Cyndi Lauper-ish version of "Carey." Darice dropped her jaw and immediately looked to see if "someone" had just entered the room. Well, in spirit only, but oh my my my. The guys said they don't have a group name but suggested they be called the "Les Deux Quartet" and said they regularly play Friday nights. Wow. We were a bit concerned to notice that Joni's TI litho was no longer hanging over the main bar, but the bartender assured us that it was around there somewhere in a new place ;-) We're all meeting up with Paz, et all and joining Kate Bennett and Steve Dulson tomorrow in the Taylor Guitar room at NAMM for many more hours of incredible music starting with Jeff Pevar at Noon at Taylor. Yee hah de dah! More when we resurface - wish you all were here! Kakki NP: Lydia Van Damme Group - All I Want (from the outstanding Covers Vol. 13) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 06:27:46 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Joni painting Lama, Cheeky guy! ;-D Diane > >Maybe she'd take $38,000. :) > >Lama > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 06:50:13 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: song for Joni Victor, I really liked your composition! It conjured images of visits past when it was a joy to travel those winding roads and be steeped in a different inspiration. Thanks for sharing this with us. Diane > >California (c)2000 Victor Johnson > >California, valley of sunshine, >Carry me to your golden shore. >Wind around the starlit highway, >Up above the mountain cliffs. >Sweet lady of the canyon, >Won't you take me for a ride. >Fill me with your perfect vision, >Lead me to this holy land. > >California, coming closer, >Starry skies and sleepless nights. >Early morning, passion thunder, >And the love keeps pouring out. >Walk me through your redwood pastures, >Beneath the trees so high and wide. >Lay me down in fertile valleys, >Morning glory on the vine. > >California, take me home, >Brighten my southern sky. >Sing me an unbroken lullaby, >I'll spread my wings, teach me to fly. > >California, lonely skybird, >Fly over ocean of white clouds. >Gaze down on a deep blue heaven, >Shining in the sunlight sky. >Dream of wooden ships and mermaids, >Dolphins jumping in the sea. >With no particular destination, >California's just around the bend. > > > >Victor Johnson >http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > >"Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, >Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." > Victor Johnson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 08:41:02 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: 'Blue' HDCD? I feel so embarrassed to be asking a question with an answer I should probably already know, but I was wondering whether _Blue_ is one of the Joni albums that has been remastered in the HDCD format. At the time the reissues first became available, I didn't have the money to invest into replacing the standard issue copies I already have, so I didn't follow too closely which ones were released in this format. However, my copy of _Blue_, lent out far too many times, now skips through the first couple of songs and I'm looking to replace it. If there's a HDCD edition of the disc, I want to make sure that that's the one I get, rather than settling for something that's not the best version currently available. I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me out with this. Thanks, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 08:37:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) << More when we resurface - wish you all were here! >> Waaah, me too! Great post, Kakki, as always you put us unfortunate ones right in the middle of the action. Thanks for doing that! Y'all have a rockin' time, lift a King Cobra (in a martini glass) for me! Happy Birthday Alison, you tush-grabbin' fool!! :~) Bob NP: When The Cat's Away, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 08:57:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Blue' HDCD? << If there's a HDCD edition of the disc, I want to make sure that that's the one I get, rather than settling for something that's not the best version currently available. >> Jason, I'll defer to the audiophiles, but I believe the BEST edition of Blue available is the "Gold" edition, about twice the price of even the HDCD version. Bob NP: Joan & Joni, "Dida" (the peppy version) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:28:48 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) Bob wrote: << Y'all have a rockin' time, lift a King Cobra (in a martini glass) for me! Happy Birthday Alison, you tush-grabbin' fool!! :~) >> Yes Kakki dear, lift a bottle of King Cobra for Bob. Just don't drop it on the kitchen floor like he's prone to do :~) ............and Alison have a HAPPY BIRTHDAY and don't let those Californian's corrupt you. (or is it the other way around :~) Thanks for keeping us posted Khaaaaaki, and give Steven Segal a big goose for me! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:31:09 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: joni on vhi.com this has probably been discussed here already, but i thought i'd mention it. there is a "fanclub" section of vh1's site dedicated to JOni. one of the sections is about her influences. i linked through to from jm.com. here is what they had to say: MILES DAVIS A restless experimenter who pushed the boundaries of jazz and never shrunk from the wrath of fans who wished he would stay put, Davis is a Mitchell icon. In fact, in an interview she gave to discuss Both Sides Now, she remarked, "I was born on the day of the discoverer, so I'm doomed to be unique. Miles Davis was like that, Pablo Picasso was like that. Driven to explore. Always chasing something. Never quite getting what you wanted. The stars force me to be a die-hard original." CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG Her relationship with these artists has often been discussed in terms of her romances; David Crosby discovered her, got her a record deal, produced her debut, and, we hear, wooed her as well. But her relationship with Nash was deeper and longer on the personal front and inspired great material from both of them. Ladies of the Canyon documents her Nash period, when Laurel Canyon in the hills above Hollywood was the neighborhood of choice for the hippest of troubadours. "Circle Game" was a retort to Neil Young's "Sugar Mountain"; Young responded with a song called "Sweet Joni": "Sweet Joni from Saskatoon/She shines like the sun but feels like the moon." She gave them one of their biggest hits, "Woodstock," and toured outdoor stadiums with them in the mid-'70s. GEORGIA O'KEEFE One of the few artists who could actually intimidate Mitchell, the reclusive and ornery painter followed her own muse in the isolation of the New Mexican desert. Her austere pictures of a stark landscape are about more than just the land around them; they are sensual explorations of O'Keefe's womanhood. Mitchell felt such a spiritual connection that she undertook an elaborate effort to get to know the painter, who, like Joni, was not someone easily impressed. The long- distance relationship was worth it, because Mitchell did get to meet her idol, and O'Keefe remains an influence in Mitchell's paintings, music, and even in the clothes she wears. LAMBERT, HENDRICKS, AND ROSS These rapid-fire scat-singing virtuoso jazz vocalists inspired Mitchell's own note-bending approach. On Court and Spark, she revived one of their signature tunes, "Twisted," which lent an uncharacteristic bit of humor to her usually brooding work. Their influence is even stronger on Mitchell's underrated The Hissing of Summer Lawns, on which she interpolated the group's "Centerpiece" into a suite of songs about suburban isolation. Her interest in the trio helped revive interest in the trio among pop fans, and the two surviving members of the group paid her tribute last year as a surprise encore act at the Hejira tribute at New York's Central Park. WEATHER REPORT The jazz-fusion group, whose artistic roots are in the pioneering work of Miles Davis, attracted adventurous fans of rock and funk. Their influence can be particularly felt on Mitchell's "Paprika Plains," an extended piece from Don Juan's Reckless Daughter that features Weather Report bassist Jaco Pastorius and saxophonist Wayne Shorter. Mitchell and Pastorius enjoyed a remarkable collaboration on that album and Hejira, and he accompanied her on a tour documented on the Shadows and Light live disc and video, as part of an all-star jazz backing group. Their explorations would have undoubtedly continued had the unstable, drug-abusing Pastorius not died so young. Shorter and Mitchell continue to work together, and it's his sax playing that so eloquently accompanies Mitchell on the title track to Both Sides Now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:22:27 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: marriage NJC bob wrote, <<< Let's face it...when you're dating, there's always good times, money, and no chores in sight. Than you decide to marry, BASED ON THAT, and all of a sudden there's laundry, bills, meals to cook, all kinds of crap to clean and wash...no wonder over half of them flop! >>> BOB!!!!! what are you doing?!?!?! is this calculated specifically to freak me out????? :) - --emily, who now FREQUENTLY interrupts shakespeare dissertation research to read books like "bridal bargains" and "weddings for dummies" and who is, apparently, not afraid to admit it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: getting together DAVID! i love it i love it i love it! judy's is a wonderful venue and i'm already compiling a list of joni songs i want people to play for me! (and most of them are YOU playing your wonderful "jazz takes") i'm totally there. and happy to do anything to help organize. my only question: when the heck is memorial day wknd??? - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:39:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: january20!!!!!!! njc In a message dated 1/20/01 5:11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << she left utah and funeral potatoes for new york city, her charm to strut she's one big, wacky tomato she even grabbed bob muller's butt!!!! >> Alison, My traveling companion, Wishing you the happiest of F*&%#@! Birthdays ever! Wish I were there celebrating with you guys. Someone buy her a drink for me. We'll have to have the post Birthday Party when you get back to NYC. Much Love, Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:01:25 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: getting together Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I know there are several proposals on the table for 'fests; I haven't been > keeping track of the details, so please pardon me if am suggesting dates that > have already been suggested. > > As some of you know, my wife Judy and I are partners in a restaurant-cabaret > in Manhattan. On Memorial Day Weekend, things are a little slower than usual > there and my partners have agreed that JMDL and friends could use the place > to hang out, make music eat and drink for a moderate cost. > > Because there are so many things to do in NYC, I tentatively thought we could > break > it up into three parts: Sat. afternoon, Sat. night and Sun. afternoon. There > would be a $10 admission charge for each time slot. I will post the menu in a > couple of weeks if there seems to be interest. > > We have a good grand piano on a modest-sized stage in the cabaret, seating at > tables and banquettes for about 50 and an atmosphere and kitchen which almost > everyone who's been there seems to admire very much. Some JMDL posts have > spoken kindly of the club. > > I await comments and suggestions, DAVID LAHM Well, let me be the first. As usual, David is being way too modest. Judy's Chelsea is a first class place, with a first class kitchen. There are 2 areas to perform, One high tech yet intimate, the other more open and informal. It would be a perfect place for a Memorial Day get together, especially since Pazfest II doesn't seem to be forthcoming ;) We should jump at David's generous offer and start planning now. And best of all, my favorite B&B, The Chelsea Pines, is just around the corner. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:49:17 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Misses? Just put on Misses. Track three - A Case of You. I mean A Case of You, a Miss - amiss? Eh, no. What's the thinking behind that? If it's tongue in cheek, it annoys me. NP - The Beat of Black Wings, another miss. Willy misses the point? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:24:09 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Misses? I think her title (MISSES) meant, in her mind, "Unjustifiably Undervalued." LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:49:37 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Misses? Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > < Undervalued.">> > > > I agree.... that was the message.... as in "missed" the point. But then > again, we are used to that aren't we? some people just don't get Joni at all. Mags np: thanks to Mimi...star spangled banner...jimi hendrix ... whew! - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:43:13 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Mr E Mrs Yes well, I've just finished listening to Misses. A Case of You, Magdelene, Impossible, Harry's and Hejira. Sure everyone a miss. What the #@*k was the thinking behind the strange juxtapositioning of ACOY between Nothing Can Be Got out of this song and TBOBW? They don't exactly sit well together. A very odd release IMHO. WTShake ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:08:57 +0700 From: "william" Subject: They seem so much confetti Forgive me for ranting away here. My third post of the soir. Someone on the Line cites, to have a great poet or performer or something like that one needs a great audience. Just tonight I got up on stage before the punters arrived and did a set - two sets actually. Paul, mon ami, says, play something they know. We're talking local Indonesians here. So I did the usual Hey Jude and Wait in Vain. To rrrrrrrrrapturous applause, mm. I thought fuck it I'm gonna do some Joni. I felt unfettered and alive. Free Man, Woodstock and Coyote. Paul loved it. By this time the slotted band were due to perform. Talk about rubbish! The most inane uninteresteing drivel. They were given the clap they so richly deserved. Great audiences. WTShake ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:47:27 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Re: Misses? How on Earth would Joni ever think that ACOY, Magdelene, Harry's, HEJIRA+ACEAIQAhACEAIQ- were ever unjustifiably undervalued? Therefore worthy of inclusion on Misses for that same reason. Hope you're having a great weekend. WTShake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:08:10 +0000 From: catman Subject: really? NJC A lady at my local church(middle aged-widowed) was telling us excitedly about her new man friend. She was telling us what a gentlemen he was and how posh he spoke. She also added'he is so clean you could eat of his arse.' It is rare for a person to make me blush but she managed! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:28:04 EST From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Re: Cat help wanted (NJC) Jim, the watergun trick worked great for my cat, Jude (may she rest in peace). I got her when she was 5 or 6 months old and quickly became dismayed at the damage she caused when burning off her youthful energy. So I placed a watergun in every room within easy reach of where I'd likely be (reading chair, nightstand, kitchen counter, etc.). Whenever she'd jump up on anything that was "off limits" or scratch something, I'd snap my fingers and say a harsh "no!" while giving her a squirt with the water pistol. Within a month or two, I put the waterguns away. Later on, an occasional snap of the fingers was all it took to remind her of her manners. As a result, she'd stay off of the kitchen counters (at least when I was around), and she never scratched furniture or walls--she'd wait until I let her outside, then she'd run and scratch the nearest tree. She was a great cat and roommate; she respected my limits and I respected hers (don't mess with her tail, and don't ever touch her belly). She died a few years back, and I haven't gotten another cat because Jude spoiled me with her good behavior and affection; I have a feeling not all cats train as well and easily as Jude did. Good luck with Joan Roberta! Neil in Seattle At 01:40 AM 1/18/2001 -0500, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >First I apologize for breaking a JMDL rule about posting "from within the >ballpark." > >I get my new cat, Joan Roberta, tomorrow so I have some questions for the >feline experts on the list. Is Janet still lurking? Catgirl? Colin? > >I want to discourage her from jumping onto the tops of the speakers and the >turntable. (I don't want the tonearm to go skipping because of cat impacts >on the cover.) Can I just cover the tops with sandpaper or plastic wrap or >steel? Is there a texture that will lose interest? Is this a case of >"Nothing Can Be Done?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 14:44:43 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Misses? It was my understanding that +ACI-misses+ACI- was an album of songs that Joni thought would surely be big hits-- but once released didn't cause more than a commercial murmur. Correct me if I'm wrong-- but wasn't there originally supposed to be a third album as well? eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox+AEA-students.wisc.edu +ACI-It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.+ACI- -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni+AEA-jmdl.com +AFs-mailto:owner-joni+AEA-jmdl.com+AF0-On Behalf Of william Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 1:47 PM To: Dflahm+AEA-aol.com+ADs- joni+AEA-smoe.org Subject: Re: Misses? How on Earth would Joni ever think that ACOY, Magdelene, Harry's, HEJIRA+ACEAIQAhACEAIQ- were ever unjustifiably undervalued? Therefore worthy of inclusion on Misses for that same reason. Hope you're having a great weekend. WTShake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:02:45 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: getting together I would certainly like to attend. I think it is a good idea to break up the weekend the way you suggest, David. I am not a performer but enjoy being in the audience! :-) Heather At 07:15 PM 1/19/01 -0500, Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >I know there are several proposals on the table for 'fests; I haven't been >keeping track of the details, so please pardon me if am suggesting dates that >have already been suggested. > >As some of you know, my wife Judy and I are partners in a restaurant-cabaret >in Manhattan. On Memorial Day Weekend, things are a little slower than usual >there and my partners have agreed that JMDL and friends could use the place >to hang out, make music eat and drink for a moderate cost. > >Because there are so many things to do in NYC, I tentatively thought we could >break >it up into three parts: Sat. afternoon, Sat. night and Sun. afternoon. There >would be a $10 admission charge for each time slot. I will post the menu in a >couple of weeks if there seems to be interest. > >We have a good grand piano on a modest-sized stage in the cabaret, seating at >tables and banquettes for about 50 and an atmosphere and kitchen which almost >everyone who's been there seems to admire very much. Some JMDL posts have >spoken kindly of the club. > >I await comments and suggestions, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:02:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: marriage NJC << BOB!!!!! what are you doing?!?!?! is this calculated specifically to freak me out????? >> LOL! No, no, Emily, I'm sure you'll be fine. Just talk about who's going to be doing what. A lot. Just talk. A lot. Bob NP: Peter Case, "Three Days Straight", which I picked up used for $4! One of my faves upgraded to CD...yippee! And Evian, guess what? I also found a NEW copy of "Celebrity Skin" for only $8 so now you don't have to come down and slap me silly. Although you're always welcome to come on down if get that "Urge For Going"... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:06:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Kid Rock does The Mac Kid Rock opened his US tour this week in Greenville, SC. (I know, I know, we always get the GOOD shows here, y'all eat your hearts out! ;~D) Anyway, I thought I would pass it on that he's doing a cover of Fleetwood Mac's "Second Hand News" in his show. How weird is that? Bob NP: Peter Case, "More Than Curious" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:59:29 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Audiophile's Corner, NJC Way to go, Jimmy! First rule of Audiophilists: Be ever vigilant. Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Tonight I was in a radio station for the first time since 1972. Anyway, I > asked the dj, "Nikki, why do I hear a HUM when you're talking? Only when > you're talking." > > "You mean now?" > > "No, I heard it in the car too," I said. > > "In the *car* too? How long have you heard it?" > > "About a week. Why?" > > "Well", she said, "they just put in this new dimmer." She turned the dimmer > up and the hum went away. "I heard it here (in the air studio) but I didn't > know it was going out." > > "Yeah," I said, "it's going out." > > "Maybe they'll have to replace the dimmer," said Nikki, "I'll tell them > about it." > > ~~ > It's funny what makes an audiophile feel good, isn't it? Randy? Simon? > > Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 16:21:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 'Blue' HDCD? Yes, "Blue" is available in HDCD. At Amazon they say so next to the title. CDNow is not saying but it probably is, too. At the store, make sure the HDCD logo is on the back. It will also be on the disc itself. In Europe they had trouble with CDs that were stickered as HDCDs but had the old stock ones inside. Also, as Bob said, you can get "Blue" on an audiophile gold CD for a bit more than double the cost of the regular issue. Considering that it's one of the best albums of all time, that's a bargain. RR Jason Long wrote: > I feel so embarrassed to be asking a question with an answer I should > probably already know, but I was wondering whether _Blue_ is one of the > Joni albums that has been remastered in the HDCD format. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:44:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: 'Blue' HDCD?NJC > In Europe they had trouble with CDs that were > stickered as HDCDs but had the old stock ones inside. Unfortunately this is still the case. Have tried to buy sevral HDCD's recently. I always ask the staff to show me the disc first. NONE of them had HDCD on them. Whilst on this subject, another pain the arse is trying to buy a dvd. So many shops here only have empty dvd cases on display. they keep the disc in a cardboard sleeve in a drawer. I have not yet bought one because I always ask to see the disc before I buy. Everytime they have been badly scratched and filthy. I have so far only bought still shrinkwrapped dvd's.(isn't shrinkwrap also a pain? Like trying to open a safe sometimes) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:57:27 +0000 From: catman Subject: amazing NJC I bought this amazing program called DesignerKnit 7. It enables me to design my knitwear on the screen. not just the pattern but also the shapes. i.e. I draw a shape(or use a standard). Then i place the patterning on it in any colours I choose or texture. When it is done to my satisfaction, I save it along with the swatch measurements etc and what size garment I want to make. I then download it to one of my 7 machines with a special cable. Whilst i knit, the machine is told which needels to select for the pattern. The shape still has to be done by hand but I now have a lady;'s voice telling me exactly what to do and when. Beats having to read my own written patterns in Word! Mind you, yesterday this woman kept telling me to do something I couldn't. I swore at the silly cow but she insisted on repeating the wrong instruction. So I phoned the company and guess what? I had found an error! I was impressed by how quickly they sent me the update and put it on the web. All done by late last night. Now, it can take many hours(even a day) to design a sweater. A few more to knit it, maybe a lot more, and then a good 2-3 hrs to sew it all up. Then wash it, dry it, and label it and package it. Good job I don't charge by the hour! Many people think that m'knitting is a quick way to h'knit when in reality it is a completly different craft. (actually machineknitting is crochet-but that is too complicated to bother explaining). They also tend to think that you tell a knitting machoine to knit you a sweater and it does! It is physically tiring and quite hefty work for a start. All the shaping has to be done by hand. And like eveyting else, they go wrong! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 00:55:13 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: 'Blue' HDCD?NJC catman wrote: > Whilst on this subject, another pain the arse is trying to buy a dvd. So many shops here > only have empty dvd cases on display. they keep the disc in a cardboard sleeve in a > drawer. I have not yet bought one because I always ask to see the disc before I buy. > Everytime they have been badly scratched and filthy. I have so far only bought still > shrinkwrapped dvd's.(isn't shrinkwrap also a pain? Like trying to open a safe sometimes) I feel your pain :-) Hopefully, this will soon be a thing of the past, although smaller stores may have to keep the old system of empty cases and cardboard sleeves in drawers. HMV, Virgin, Tower and the software chains/supermarkets are almost completely shrinkwrap-only now. Thank goodness, I'm the same with refusing to buy less than immaculate discs. It was the same with CDs...oh, the hassle I had sometimes! Have you considered buying online at one of the major e-retailers? Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:05:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: JMDL -amazing 2 NJC Forgot to say that a very special lady is getting a JMDL cardigan very shortly. It's been ready a while but I just haven't got around to the PO yet. The JMDL is done with embroidery.(am working on a Joni pic for one too but no luck yet) Which leads neatly onto my other toy, an embroidery machine and the designing software for that! YES! Once again, I can design my patterns on the PC with the special program(tho I also use Paint Shop Pro), save them and download them into my em.machine and it sews them out! The sewing doesn't tkae that long(tho a table cloth full of Lhasa's for a friend did take me all day) but once a gain the designing part takes hours and hours. So it seems with all these new toys, the time saved in knitting and sewing, is spent in designing! My day is really too full now, what with the dogs as well and writing mail that will bore most people to death! Still it excittes me( the designing, not writing the boring psots) and I have to share it someplcae so why not this weird family of mine? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:07:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: really? NJC did she say what she ate? wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Enero de 2001 05:08 p.m. Para: joni Asunto: really? NJC A lady at my local church(middle aged-widowed) was telling us excitedly about her new man friend. She was telling us what a gentlemen he was and how posh he spoke. She also added'he is so clean you could eat of his arse.' It is rare for a person to make me blush but she managed! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:13:53 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song After a short sabbatical from email due to a minor surgery that will hopefully open up my sinuses (contrary to any rumors you may have heard, I did *not* have a nose job - my proboscis is still as preposterous as it ever was), I have just today finally caught up with the list. And what a tumultuous 9 or so days you all have had! My, my, my, as Kakki would say. Religion, politics, sex, turds.....you've done it all! Of course I know how much you all missed me! (Mark who? Was he gone? Isn't he that crazy queen who pretends to live in Seattle that raves on about Billie Holiday all the time? Is he a lurker? What exactly *is* his damage anyway?!) Anyway since I missed out on the Jungle Line/HOSL thread I wanted to jump in on this one as it's still fairly untouched. This was a great post Bob! Remember when I was on that bent of trying to figure out thematic threads in Joni's albums? You challenged me to do DJRD. I declined. The record seemed too much all over the place. Yet as time as gone on and after many listenings, it seems to me that it somehow hangs together as a cohesive whole in some kind of way. Part of it seems to tell the story of a relationship. And then there's that Third World interlude. Hmmm..... > Side One: > 1. Cotton Avenue - She starts in the country, but is drawn by the city lights and the excitement, the people. Given the time of this release I always felt that Cotton Avenue was probably a discotheque. But the name and the style of the music, which to me is very jazzy with a hint of blues in it, harks back to the jazz clubs of 1930s Harlem for me, the name referring specifically to the Cotton Club. 'To hear the shiny, shiny music/see all the shiny people dancing to it.' You bring jazz into the mix and you also bring, as Ken Burns is teaching us so eloquently, Africa and the Carribean into it. Maybe a stretch but it may point to Joni's assertion about the Third World theme of DJRD. > > 2. Talk To Me - Is this addressed to someone she just has met on Cotton Ave, or to an established relationship? It's always seemed to me to be about the latter. In either regard, from this conflict comes... I go back & forth on this. To me it sounds like she's trying to draw somebody out that she's just met. > > 3. Jericho - The end of the first side and the resolution of the first "movement" as she declares her honest sense of love and all it entails with the person in "Talk to Me" Jericho is another reason why I think she's just met this person. She's contemplating a new love and trying to fix the right path in her mind to making it a meaningful and positive relationship. She is at the beginning of this romance & is promising to 'keep myself open up to you.' That's what I think, anyway. > > Side 2: > Paprika Plains - She begins, possibly back in the Cotton Avenue location, some public place to be sure, steps outside to 'get some air', and begins to reflect on the country, open plains of her homeland, and the North American Indians. She segues into a flashback/fantasy/dream sequence, and then returns to her companion in the club with the 'mirrored ball'. > This is the song that Joni uses to introduce her ultimate theme as she expresses it above. I think Paprika Plains eventually ties in with the title track. She's talking about the indigenous people of North & South America. I've never read the Casteneda books about Don Juan the shaman but I believe they deal with the religious & spiritual beliefs of one or some of those cultures. > > Side 3. > 1. Otis & Marlena - Perhaps she is totally OUT of this portrait, or perhaps she is superimposing the relationship she's been discussing with this couple who escape & observe the superficial decadence of this hotel setting. This is where she shifts out of the story she began on side one and I've never been able to pin down the transition. However, I think Otis & Marlena is her departure point for the rest of this side. If she's travelling to the Carribean or South America, chances are she'd be going through Miami. Her observations are of a decayed, decadent, consumer driven, yet complacent place that is oblivious to what is going on elsewhere in the world or in the country for that matter. The Third World may be banging at the doors of Washington and physically not that far from Miami, but Otis is watching cartoons & reruns while Marlena suns herself on the balcony. > > 2. Tenth World - a segue from the "dream on" chant of O&M, and a segue from that very consumable commercial world to the African 'Dreamland'. From the tenth world to the third world... > > 3. Dreamland - "It's a long long way from Canada"...is Good Time Mary & The Fortune Hunter the alterego or the antithesis of Otis & Marlena? The song is loaded with contrasts and is clearly the heart of Joni's theme of entering the third world and turning your back on the kind of world she descibes in O&M. Completes the song cycle of side 3. Ah the South Seas, the South Seas! Where I found peace, contentment and many tropical fruits I had not known before! But I digress. She's stepped into the Third World here but her observations of it in this song seem to deal mostly with its corruption and exploitation by European & American imperialism and consumerism. It seems to have followed her, in spite of her attempt to escape from it. I think Good Time Mary & the Fortune Hunter are thoughtless tourists, out pursuing their own agendas, pleasure for the one, gain through snagging a rich man for the other. (You're acting like a bunch of tourists, man!) > > Side 4. > 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - This song is a continuance of Joni's dealing with her "country" side and her "city" side...missing her fresh white linen...the battle between the eagle (the standard that others (Myrtle?) hold her to) and the serpent (the temptations and muses she is drawn to). "Restless for streets & honky tonks, restless for home & routine". > > 2. Off Night Backstreet - The flipside of Jericho, she introduces the song by wondering if she hasn't been kidding herself, and the confidence & extra time she's asked of her partner have NOT been exchanged. She realizes that she's relegated to the role of the woman who is there when she's needed and that's it. > > 3. Silky Veils of Ardor - Now she withdraws herself from the relationship altogether, but just like in "Amelia", she longs to crash back into the arms of love. She realizes that only in her dreams can she return to the way things used to be, whether it's her life in the country and that attitude, or the romance that once was a flame and is now a cinder. > > I don't really see her returning to her theme on the final side, perhaps she centers it to represent it as the "core" of the record, and "frames" it with a love story. I believe the title track draws its imagery of the eagle & the serpent from Native American culture (somebody correct me if I'm wrong, I really don't know much of anything about this aside from what other people have posted on the subject in the past) so that would still be in keeping with her theme. The song is so dense, lyrically. It kind of sprawls all over from male/female relationships to society in general. It's probably the most extensive exploration of her recurrent theme of duality that she's ever done. Streets & honkytonks/home & routine, the eyes of clarity/the beads of guile, some wisdom & a lot of jive, home of the brave & the free/hoplessly opressed cowards, scales to feathers, man to woman, eagles in the sky/snakes in the grass, crawling/flying, oh-oh you & I, you & I, you & I..... As a side note & to get in one remark about the Jungle Line/HOSL thread, I've always thought the snake on the cover represented a lot of things. Danger, drugs (there's a poppy snake in the dressing room), a shaking off of inhibitions and abandonment to primitive urges. Or maybe by taking up that serpent the people on the cover are merely looking very deeply into themselves at the deepest, darkest part of their souls. A risky proposition to be sure but possibly rewarding as well. As Joni later said in DJRD 'there is danger and education in living out such a reckless lifestyle.' I believe the snake is used as a symbol in many different cultures and has many meanings. I agree that the final two songs of the album don't seem to have much to do with turning to the Third World (didn't Sting say 'One world is enough for all of us?' The term Third World actually kind of bothers me if the truth be known. It seems kind of vague and implies an 'othering' concept to me.) Just one more thing in reply to the other post about The Silky Veils of Ardor. (I'm sorry, I don't remember for sure who posted it.) To me the last verse is about how difficult the reality of relationships is and how it is only in fantasy & dreams that they are easy. Unfortunately, it's only in our dreams that we can fly above the adversities of everyday life & relating. The reality is that we are constantly down in the turbulent water in our tiny boats, constantly rowing against the current of that raging river and if we want things to work out, we sometimes have to row a little harder. And of all the songs on this record, this one probably has the least to do with the so-called Third World as much of it is borrowed & woven from bits of traditional British/American folk songs. > I don't know...I'm just thinking out loud here. Whatever, DJRD is a VERY dense work, musically but especially lyrically. > > I'd be anxious to hear what you guys think...and perhaps in the midst of some general thoughts, we can address some specific questions as well. Probably more than you bargained for, eh Bob? He's ba-ack! Thanks for the great post! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:27:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: DRJD, song by song what a terrific post, mark!!!! and yes! you're always missed either when you're not posting or when you're coming to a fest. and don't you ever dare change your nose! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or Travis Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Enero de 2001 10:14 p.m. Para: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: DRJD, song by song After a short sabbatical from email due to a minor surgery that will hopefully open up my sinuses (contrary to any rumors you may have heard, I did *not* have a nose job - my proboscis is still as preposterous as it ever was), I have just today finally caught up with the list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:36:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: DRJD, song by song oops i meant you're missed when you're NOT coming to a fest, mark. sorry! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Wally Kairuz Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Enero de 2001 10:28 p.m. Para: Mark or Travis; joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: DRJD, song by song what a terrific post, mark!!!! and yes! you're always missed either when you're not posting or when you're coming to a fest. and don't you ever dare change your nose! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:46:47 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song Wow Mark, Great Post! I'm impressed. I wish I were as articulate. Welcome back. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:33:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song << Probably more than you bargained for, eh Bob? He's ba-ack! Thanks for the great post! >> No, no, PRECISELY what I was bargaining for! :~) Glad you're back...I'll dig in with your post and get back to you, Mark...thanks for taking the time to respond! Bob NP: Buddy Holly, "Oh Boy" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 22:05:08 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alison's birthday, Jim Morrison, and more (NJC) In a message dated 1/20/01 5:35:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << There it was - the original Morrison Hotel - a kind of all unfinished redwood three story with a 35 foot high carved white stone totem pole running through it. We noticed a couple "For Sale" signs on the place and Darice took down the realtor info and started calculating how to finance the buy. >> Now there's a piece of Rock & Roll Memorabilia for ya. Welcome to the Hotel California :~) Can hardly wait till you guys start resurfacing. Wish I were there too. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 03:21:06 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song Mark or Travis wrote: > After a short sabbatical from email due to a minor surgery that will > hopefully open up my sinuses well now you should be able to blow...... you mentioned 3 of my fave Joni's, Talk to Me, Dreamland and The Tenth World. Talk to Me makes me laugh, tho there is a strong undercurrent of desperation in that. Like living on the outside, trying to get in, trying to connect but your brain is somewhere others daren't go. 'shut me up and talk to me' like prattling on when you are uptight, knowing you are prattling on and uptight which makes one feel worse and so one just prattles on.....really quite a sad little song that one can't help laughing at...the sort of laugh of recognitoon rather than laughing at her. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:18:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: ItA Girl Thing Oh ... my ... god ... Why Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:21:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: It's A Girl Thing I was afraid that would happen ... please ignore my just-sent post! I realize this is probably old news, but I just finished watching "It's A Girl Thing" on Showtime ... why didn't anyone tell me (or did you???) that Elle MacPherson and Kate Capshaw make love to the BSN version of "A Case Of You?" I said it before, I'll say it again ... oh ... my ... god ... VERY HOT! Lori, still swooning near DC ~ Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #34 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?