From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #33 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 033 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni painting [slarty ] Re: Shawn Colvin's New CD NJC [MP123A321@aol.com] january 19!!!!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Cat Help Wanted, NJC ["Deb Messling" ] Re: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc [MGVal@aol.com] Re: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] DJRD [Emily Kirk Gray ] change to colin's list (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Brian Blade in Jazz Times magazine (& a few other goodies) ["ab" ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Cat Help Wanted, NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Bryan Thomas - NJC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: change to colin's list (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [catman ] Re: Cat Help Wanted, NJC [catman ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [catman ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) ["Diane Evans" ] Re: LA Minifest (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Ball tix (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] NJC HB MG [Vince Lavieri ] "Audiophile's Corner", Explaining DVD-Audio...... was Re: Both Sides Now on DVD, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: cats NJC [catman ] Re: change to colin's list (njc) [mags ] getting together [Dflahm@aol.com] so much for "just enforcing the laws"--NJC [Al Date ] Re: The MP3 tribute to Joni continues !!! ["Gerald" ] Joni and David Bowie [Relayer211@aol.com] song for Joni ["Victor Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 03:09:08 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Re: Joni painting If you play the Sims, now you can. I've updated the JoniSims file to include "NightTime At Nucleus" plus a few more. Look here- http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/tiles.cfm Ken Diane Evans wrote: > Penny, > > Wow! I really like this painting. It reminds me of Francis Bacon's work, > in the color and energy. Don't I wish I could afford to buy this??! > > Thanks for the link! > > Diane > > >From: Penny > >Reply-To: Penny > >To: c Karma , joni@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: Joni painting > >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:40:05 -0800 (PST) > > > >Here it is: > > > >http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?cc=dtg&ai=00379' > > > >Don't forget to click on the thumbnail. And isn't it a fabulous painting! > > I think one of my favorites of Joni's I've seen so far! Thanks to > >whoever originally found this url! > > > >Penny > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 03:39:16 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin's New CD NJC According to the Columbia promo cd single, the title of the CD will be: "Bonefields" and " was produced and co-written with Shawn's longtime partner, John Leventhal,..." Maurice << Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:58:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Shawn Colvin's New CD NJC Shawn's new single from her forthcoming (as yet untitled) album, "Whole New You," is being sent to AAA radio stations this week! Shawn's new album WILL be in stores March 27. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:45:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc super mom super friend super loyal to the end in her heart i have a place i adore you M A R Y G R A C E EVERYBODY JOIN ME NOW: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MG!!!!!! mary grace, you have been my friend for the longest time on the jmdl. i have learned so many things from you. thank you for being such a fine a lady and for never holding my silliness against me. i love you, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 06:50:58 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Cat Help Wanted, NJC If you want to keep your cat away from a particular area, arm yourself with a spray bottle or squirt gun and spray her. Of course, this method requires your constant presence for awhile, until she learns to associate the place with bad things. I've heard that some cats actually enjoy being sprayed, and if your cat is one of those, you're out of luck! Don't bother with the word "no" or the phrase "bad kitty." When she is naughty, HISS at her like a nasty cat. She will understand that language immediately. As for us, we just let our cat go where she pleases, because all of our furniture is crappy anyway. > At 01:40 AM 1/18/2001 -0500, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > > >I get my new cat, Joan Roberta, tomorrow so I have some questions for the > >feline experts on the list. Is Janet still lurking? Catgirl? Colin? > > > >I want to discourage her from jumping onto the tops of the > speakers and the > >turntable. > - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:22:04 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc In a message dated 1/19/01 3:56:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY MG!!!!!! > > The birthday fairy says it all! What a great, wonderful, beautiful person you are Mary Grace, and I'm so fortunate to have met you. Have a happy happy birthday. Now why on earth would you wake up at 4:00 a.m on your birthday? Don't you ever sleep in ? :~) Jimmy NP: Patti Lupone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:25:04 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc In a message dated 01/19/2001 4:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, FMY FL writes: << Now why on earth would you wake up at 4:00 a.m on your birthday? Don't you ever sleep in ? :~) >> That WAS sleeping in!!! (:-D I'm simply trying to set a good example for Nikki who would sleep until noon, left to her own devices. Thanks Wally and Jimmy. It was so nice to start my morning reading to find this nestled within all of the AOL Taylor Spam. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:28:50 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: january 19!!!!!!!!! njc Happy F*&%$#@ Birthday MG! Wishing you a lifetime abundance of Taylor Ham ;~) Hi Nikki! Love, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: DJRD bob wrote, "3. Silky Veils of Ardor - Now she withdraws herself from the relationship altogether, but just like in "Amelia", she longs to crash back into the arms of love. She realizes that only in her dreams can she return to the way things used to be, whether it's her life in the country and that attitude, or the romance that once was a flame and is now a cinder. " i loved this post, bob. i remember last year sometime i wrote about struggling with DJRD, how the different themes of individuality and community and history and timelessness tangled up and tripped me up -- especially when i think of this record coming after hejira, which in my mind is a paradigmatic joni album: a masterpiece of unity, or variations on a theme. DJRD after that seems cluttered, broken up into pieces, frustrating -- a joy, certainly, and one hejira is all i will ever need, but a crazy joy. i remember last year many people wrote about their thinking about this album and helped me gather more understanding. so when i read this part about "silky veils" i had to chime in. this is ONE part of DJRD that makes perfect artistic sense to me, and i chimed in with this last year, but here it is again: i find "it's just in dreams we fly / in my dreams we fly" to be one of the most powerful, heartbreaking, beautiful and redeeming couplets in all of JM's work. i hear her first line as addressed to someone, a lover, or me, listening alone: she says, i know the reality -- the hard work that goes into life and love. but THEN, with a small change of language she bursts into a beautiful sound and vision (oh i love her voice here), saying, but wait, but wait, here is the crazy wonderful thing: in my dreams we can fly! meaning: in my art and in my imagination, we can do those things that cannot be done. and what a gift that is! one line answers, completes, refutes the other. and ends with an incredible affirmation of art's power to transform. on a personal note, i have thought about this couplet often when i am sad about not having my beloved grandmother alive any more (she died three years ago.) i dream about her often. and when i am dejected i might think, it's only in dreams that i can see her or talk to her. but sometimes i will then be overwhelmed by happiness, because, of course: what a gift! i sometimes have dreams where i am granted time with her! i try to wake up thankful, not crushed. thanks for reading. - --emily NP: "don't go to strangers" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:33:10 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: change to colin's list (njc) Colin, your changing the list from 'cats' to 'men' was hysterical, although I must make one correction: What is a man? 8. They leave CLOTHES everywhere. (Or is it just me. I have yet to meet a man who could distinguish between the floor and the laundry basket.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:45:23 -0600 From: "ab" Subject: Brian Blade in Jazz Times magazine (& a few other goodies) This is OLD NEWS but don't know if it was mentioned before or not. I just dug this issue out of one of our moving boxes. Back in November 2000 Brian Blade was on the cover of Jazz Times. "Dig the NEW BREED Brian Blade Jim Black Nasheet Waits & Matt Wilson define the new generation of jazz drummers" There is a 6 page interview w/pictures inside and mentions of Joni. First off, on page 10, is the content page with a full pic of Brian Blade and the contents written over it. The very first is the Brian Blade interview by Greg Tate, "From stints with Joni Mitchell to Wayne Shorter, Brian Blade is one of the most versatile drummers on the scene. From his family to his drum gear, he's also a wide ranging conversationalist." The interview titled, "BLADE the Sharpest" starts on page 30. Passages with Joni references: "He has been first-call drummer for leaders as disparate as Harry Connick Jr., Kenny Garrett, Daniel Lanois, Joni Mitchell and, currently, Wayne Shorter; his own passions move freely from Laura Nyro to John Coltrane's A Love Supreme." The interviewer asks him what was on his turntable when he was in high school. "A Love Supreme. Joni Mitchell's Hejira, which a friend gave to me after I'd just started driving. I learned it all. To this day it reveals something new." In 'GEARBOX' he talks about his instrument. "I love what the Zildjian cymbals do and I like dealing with that family of folks. With Joni I chose to play a larger set - bass drum was 24-inch with a 12-inch tom and a 16 inch floor tom - they were these beautifully crafted Ayotte drums. In another box on page 37 titled 'recommended cds featuring brian blade" Kenny Garrett: Pursuance: The Music of John Coltrane Mark Turner: Ballad Session Joni Mitchell: Taming the tiger Elvis Costello & Bill Frisell: The Sweetest Punch: The songs of Costello and Bacharach Brad Mehidau: Introducing Brad Mehidau Joshua Redman: Spirit of the Moment: Live at the Village Vanguard The interview overall is a great read. You can buy this as a back issue by picking up a recent copy and filing out the order blank or purchase online. Go to http://www.merchandise@jazztimes.com/ Then click on BACK ISSUES. Click on 2000. Scroll down to NOVEMBER 2000. You'll see the November cover with Brian on the front. Pictures taken of Brian for this issue can be seen at the photographer's website. http://www.jimmykatz.com/color_frames.html?dtype=2 Color Gallery see page Two Black & White Gallery see page Two Win a trip to: The 20th Annual Mt. Hood Jazz Festival August 3-5, 2001 "Looming grandly over nearby Portland, Mt. Hood is one of the countrys most spectacular sites for a jazz festival. And, your beautiful view will include plenty of great music-the Mt. Hood Jazz Festival features the best in international jazz talent every year. The winning JazzTimes Sound$weeps package includes: round-trip airfare for two; 4 days, 3 nights accommodations; reserved seats and backstage passes for the entire festival. " Go to: http://www.merchandise@jazztimes.com/ Scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on WIN A FREE VACATION. (winner gets to take me along!! ha! ha!) ATTN: South California JMDLrs. Get a dozen FREE Krispy Kreme Donuts. I have yet to try these. Heard they are wonderful. They just opened a place here but it's about an hour away (like that ever stopped me before!! tee-hee!). http://www.exposegeorge.com/donut_login.html Looking to buy a guitar? Start the kiddies strumming? http://www.guitartrader.com is having a huge after Christmas sale! Some stuff is 50% off. They have FREE SHIPPING on all orders over $100, and a great return policy. Music gear specials going on here too. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/ds/home (jewel cases are marked down) Call 1-877-428-7948 for a free sample of Bounty napkins and a napkin holder. It is automated. Just leave your name and address, and your samples should arrive in a few weeks. One per household. Travel lite to the Joni Fests with these samples in your luggage: Mentadent Toothpaste: http://www.mentadent.com/dmail/sampling/ Olay Body Wash: http://www.olay.com/bodycare/sample.htm King of Shaves Lotion: http://www.shave.com/store/store_html_docs/free_stuff.epl (the shave samples really do arrive!!) Toothpick http://www.sanex.com/ (just don't be doing this at the table!) Alpen Gel http://www.coolrelief.com/try.html (for the over 40 JMDLrs) Olay Moisturizer: http://www.women.com/beautifulyou/totaleffects/introduction.html Dog Treats: http://www.lovesnax.com/lovesnax/samples.html (Surprize Ashara's pooch and bring these along!) Win a 10 minute phonecard: http://www.attsweeps.com/ (call a JMDLr) Shampoo: http://www.vssassoon.com (go into US and request free sample link) Pantene full size sample: http://www.getprofiled.com (fill out survey) Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:00:36 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: squirt gunning NJC Wally, O, yeah! It works well on my students, too!;-D Rascals need to be reminded now and again of who's [barely] in charge! Diane, with a squirrely 7th grader in my sights. >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Reply-To: "Wally Kairuz" >To: "Diane Evans" , >Subject: squirt gunning NJC >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:42:52 -0300 > >oh diane!!!! i'm rolling! that is such a great strategy for life in >general. >there are quite a few neighbors and clients i'll start aiming my squirt gun >on at once!!!!! >loved the idea!!! >wallyK > > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Diane >Evans >Enviado el: Jueves, 18 de Enero de 2001 10:09 p.m. >Para: joni@smoe.org >Asunto: Re: cats NJC > > >Lama, > >It works, but *you* have to decide if it's not very nice. A 50 cent squirt >gun, filled with just water, will deter a cat from lots of things. >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:10:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) <> Wrong! You've met me...not only do I put my clothes ONLY into the laundry basket/hamper, but I do the laundry for my family and have for 17 years now... Bob NP: The Band, "Tears of Rage" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:21:02 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Cat Help Wanted, NJC Colin wrote: > Ashara-I changed your list. I am sure you will agree it works just as > well...... > OK, OK, here's the whole joke: (God/dess, I don't usually do this!!) What is a Cat? 1. Cats do what they want. 2. They rarely listen to you. 3. They're totally unpredictable. 4. When you want to play, they want to be alone. 5. When you want to be alone, they want to play. 6. They expect you to cater to their every whim. 7. They're moody. 8. They leave hair everywhere. Conclusion: They're tiny women in little fur coats. What is a Dog? 1. Dogs spend all day sprawled on the most comfortable piece of furniture in the house. 2. They can hear a package of food opening half a block away, but they don't hear you when you're in the same room. 3. They can look dumb and lovable all at the same time. 4. They growl when they are not happy. 5. When you want to play, they want to play. 6. When you want to be alone, they want to play. 7. They leave their toys everywhere. 8. They do disgusting things with their mouths and then try to give you a kiss. 9. They go right for your crotch as soon as they meet you. Conclusion: They're tiny men in little fur coats. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Bryan Thomas - NJC For those of you in the Tampa Bay area I just found out JMDLer Bryan Thomas will be performing in Tampa this Sunday at 5. I had tickets for Tom Rush, but will gladly pass that over to see the wonderful Bryan. If you would like to see Bryan let me know and we can get a group together. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:52:26 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) Bob wrote: << <> Wrong! You've met me...not only do I put my clothes ONLY into the laundry basket/hamper, but I do the laundry for my family and have for 17 years now.. >> Bob, you know that you and your family only wear Issey Miyake and that's dry clean only :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:57:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) <> I make sure the Miyake I get is machine-washable...delicate cycle, cold water, of course, hang to dry. The *BITCH* is trying to iron the WRINKLES out! :~D Bob NP: Theme From The Last Waltz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:01:51 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: change to colin's list (njc) Perhaps it's not genetic, as I expected. Or maybe it's a trait I'm inadvertently drawn to. Anyway, it's a lot better than the inability to distinguish between a car horn and a doorbell :-) Anne NP: Love Song by The Story > -----Original Message----- > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:10 AM > To: asandstrom@allaire.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) > > > < the floor and the laundry basket.>> > > Wrong! > > You've met me...not only do I put my clothes ONLY into the > laundry basket/hamper, but I do the laundry for my family and > have for 17 years now... > > Bob > > NP: The Band, "Tears of Rage" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:12:16 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) You have obivoulsy visted this house in your sleep. I take mine off whereever I happen to be! Laundry basket? What's that? My clothes are in the hall, the lounge, the bedroom. Unless we have vistirs-then they get chucked in the bedroom with door closed! Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Colin, your changing the list from 'cats' to 'men' was hysterical, although > I must make one correction: > > What is a man? > > 8. They leave CLOTHES everywhere. > > (Or is it just me. I have yet to meet a man who could distinguish between > the floor and the laundry basket.) - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:15:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Cat Help Wanted, NJC > What is a Dog? > > 1. Dogs spend all day sprawled on the most comfortable piece of furniture in > the house. > 2. They can hear a package of food opening half a block away, but they don't > hear you when you're in the same room. > 3. They can look dumb and lovable all at the same time. > 4. They growl when they are not happy. > 5. When you want to play, they want to play. > 6. When you want to be alone, they want to play. > 7. They leave their toys everywhere. > 8. They do disgusting things with their mouths and then try to give you a > kiss. > 9. They go right for your crotch as soon as they meet you. > > Conclusion: They're tiny men in little fur coats. it should be: they're tiny str8 men in fur coats! poor women! > > > Hugs, > Ashara - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:46:48 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) >I make sure the Miyake I get is machine-washable...delicate cycle, cold water, of course, hang to dry. >The *BITCH* is trying to iron the WRINKLES out! :~D >Bob >NP: Theme From The Last Waltz Re: Miyake pleats and crinkles. Do not dry clean- even if it says so on the label; the fluid takes the crispness out. - -jan NP: some guy outside yelling ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:29:07 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) Issey Miyake didn't know made clothes. have some IM smellies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:42:53 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) Bob In regards to this: >...not only do I put my clothes ONLY into the laundry basket/hamper, but I >do the laundry for my family and have for 17 years now... You are truly a rare gem! Do you do housecalls? How about seminars for reluctant spouses? Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:58:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) <> It's really wacky...the supposed prototype/preparation for marriage is DATING! Which is exactly the opposite of marriage! Let's face it...when you're dating, there's always good times, money, and no chores in sight. Than you decide to marry, BASED ON THAT, and all of a sudden there's laundry, bills, meals to cook, all kinds of crap to clean and wash...no wonder over half of them flop! Getting married is WAY too easy. I think there should be much more pre-marital counseling so couples know what to expect. Anyway, I don't know if I'm any kind of rare gem, I just prefer to get my clean clothes from a drawer or from my closet as opposed to searching through the dryer for underwear! Bob, I am man hear me roar! :~) NP: The Band, "Ophelia" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:51:20 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) Bob "the gem" Muller wrote: << Getting married is WAY too easy. I think there should be much more pre-marital counseling so couples know what to expect. >> That's exactly what my therapist told me. She said by the time a couple comes to her for counseling, it's usually too late! And with his permission, I want to share something that my buddy Marcel wrote me regarding my recent separation with my partner of 23 years. I wasn't going to openly post this to the list, but it was so funny and it just made my day! Marcel wrote (although I changed a couple of things) : "Ah yes the old love tri-angle debacle shuffle. Well we both know theres no cure for that except I provide my top 10 "get over it" cures. 10) Say "f*ck that... (provide your proclivity label here)[[marcel recommends]] c*nt (for straight men) motherf*cker (for straight women) c*cksucker (for gay men) bitch c*nt (for lesbians) 100 times. Do this and TELL me you dont feel better. 9) Listen to blues music for 12 hours then play the song "You aint seen nothing yet" by the Bachman Turner Overdrive for one hour at 10 on your stereo. 8) Joni Mitchells "A Case of You" 100 times in a row. 7) Take up sewing and make a voodoo doll of you know who. Apply pins frequently. 6) Change your political party just for the hell of it. Go to rallies. (Don't know if I can do that one :~) 5) Play the video game Doom and each time you blow away a humanoid scream "Take that_____________" (your ex). 4) Rob a major department store in broad daylight. Its a great distraction from love problems. 3) Drive into the middle of some red neck town (if you're gay) wearing a Issey Miyake dress which will provide you with immediate attention you never believed you'd get as a person. 2)Unload a box of 2500 tasmanian crickets into the apartment of your rival. they are tiny, live for years in the smallest crevice of any abode, have loud mating calls and procreate madly. Good luck finding or exterminating them. 1) Realize that in this world (Temptation Planet)the hardest thing to do is keep any relationship real vibrant lively and fulfilling for a significant period of time and the failure of any relationship is probably more likely than for it to succeed which means that you are still the wonderful person you have always been which means two things. (1)The person who left you for someone else will soon be in your shoes and (2)you will soon be in his. (Bonus alternative) Go to the next jonifest where you will be immersed in love and music and good vibes with a group of people who will appreciate you and have a ball. Hope this helps. Marcel " Thanks Marcel!!! I especially like the Bonus Alternative!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:37:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: marcel's divorce counseling (njc) oh lord i don't have ANY time right now to comment on this [I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUSY!!!!] but as usual marcel has risen to the occasion! i loved it i loved it i loved it!!!!!! and it has helped me too. more later on MY divorce, which will take place THIS weekend. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de FMYFL@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 19 de Enero de 2001 04:51 p.m. Para: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; MDESTE1@aol.com CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: change to colin's list (njc) Bob "the gem" Muller wrote: << Getting married is WAY too easy. I think there should be much more pre-marital counseling so couples know what to expect. >> That's exactly what my therapist told me. She said by the time a couple comes to her for counseling, it's usually too late! And with his permission, I want to share something that my buddy Marcel wrote me regarding my recent separation with my partner of 23 years. I wasn't going to openly post this to the list, but it was so funny and it just made my day! Marcel wrote (although I changed a couple of things) : "Ah yes the old love tri-angle debacle shuffle. Well we both know theres no cure for that except I provide my top 10 "get over it" cures. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:41:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC Oh man...Jesse! I think maybe we (you and I, you and I, oh, you and I) are willing to extend a more gracious attitude towards a man of the cloth than to a ewwww.... politian. So when a pol falls, we go, "I told you so! What do you expect?" When a minister fails, whether it's Falwell or Jackson, we are disappointed rather than vindicated? My two cents, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:39:08 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: LA Minifest (NJC) Jimmy wrote: > And if I hadn't already planned a vacation waaaaayy in advance for next > weekend, I'd be out there too! I've already told Coyote Rick that I plan on > coming to LA in the spring, so hopefully another minifest will be held. I > just can't go until Labor Day to see you wonderful people. Nikki and Alison, > you'll just have to make another trip out to LA again :~) > > Yall have a great time!!! Of course we will have a minifest when you come Jimmy! The martini glasses are always shined and waiting. Actually (sorry Lori! ;-) we have them so regularly here in L.A. we should start calling them a "multi-fest." But you are moving out here permanently, right? And bringing brother Evian and family with you? I've rented our office space on the Universal lot, you know. ;-D Love, Kakki np: vacuum running, pillow fluffing and cat hair removal preparations for this weekend ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Ball tix (NJC) Okay everyone, I'm going out on a limb for a colleague who ended up getting tickets to something better ... this is just in case ANYONE is interested ... - ----------------------------------------- FOR SALE: Two tickets to Saturday night's Metropolitan Inaugural Ball (an unofficial ball) at the Clarendon Ballroom (3185 Wilson Blvd. in Arlington). The tickets are currently selling for $129, but seller is willing to take $99 each (or best offer). You need not be a Bush-supporter--this is one of the many parties planned around town for those who want to have a good time this weekend and aren't going to official Inauguration events. The Clarendon Ballroom has received rave reviews as the DC area's hottest new venue. Call Charles Hokanson at 202-223-5452 before 7 pm today or at 703-351-1091 after 6 pm. E-mail: chokansonjr@aol.com The all-inclusive tickets feature: * Two Enormous & Elegant Floors of Entertainment * Ample Serving stations, Including a 75 foot mega-bar. * Heavy Hors d'oeuvres Buffet & Butler-Passed Cuisine * BS&M is on main stage! (The East Coast's hottest band finally returns to DC area for this INAUGURAL EXTRAVAGANZA!!) * The Walk will play on the second stage ("playing a Jazzy/Reggae/Fusion sounds The Walk packs the house") * Deejay Shock * American Dicor * Midnight American Tribute & Toast * Discounted Coat Check * Discounted Valet Parking * Black-tie Optional - ----------------------------------------- Lori, ducking in DC ~ Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:23:11 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC HB MG MG, In honor of your birthday, I am turning off all my lights to save some electricity for your personal use in California. Happy birthday! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:44:52 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Audiophile's Corner", Explaining DVD-Audio...... was Re: Both Sides Now on DVD, NJC Jamie, Thanks for the news that cdnow is selling "Both Sides Now" as a DVD of some kind. I went to cdnow and tried to duplicate your experience but couldn't. I suspect that BSN may be available (or may soon be available) on a brand new audio format called DVD-Audio. A DVD-Audio disc looks exactly like a CD but it's not. I haven't covered this format in the "Audiophile's Corner" series yet because it's still very much a *collection* of emerging formats. There's a lot yet to be settled about this idea. For example, DVD-Audio discs from some record companies will NOT play on regular CD players. (They are missing a second layer in the Red book format.) Can you imagine spending $24 on a disc that you can't play on your computer, boombox, or in the car?? On the other hand, some companies have decided to manufacture discs with BOTH layers on them so they are compatible with CD players. Some (all?) DVD-Audio discs will play on DVD movie players because they carry music as if it was a movie soundtrack without any video in the 5.1 format. Some audiophiles dislike the "sound" of 5.1 because the processing scheme changes the sound relative to LP sound or straight CD sound. Since there are no specifications on how to develop the 5.1 tracks, you get what ever the re-issue folks feel like doing to it. It's possible that BSN may be formatted with nice ambiance enhancing back channels while C&S may be issued in the 4 channel mix (Quadra-disc?) in which it was released in the 70s. Most of the 4 channel work done in the 70s was ridiculed by the high-end because it's not "musical" to sit in the middle of the orchestra, surrounded by instruments. To the high-end, the best experience is roughly 10 rows back, in the center of the audience where you experience the "hall sound". Anyway, the real drawing card of DVD-Audio is not the fact that it carries a 5.1 soundtrack. The real reason why a few people will spend $25 list (!!) for these discs is because they carry "Enhanced Resolution" tracks. Think of this as a better version of CD. Instead of holding digital sound encoded at 44,100 samples per second, the highest spec is 192,000 samples per second, at two tracks (stereo). In effect, it's four times more data. The theory is that it more accurately describes the best recordings like the Cowboy Junkies' "The Trinity Session", most jazz recordings, and most classical recordings. Those who've heard it (in who's ears I trust) say that it's more realistic. More like the experience of listening to a vinyl LP on a $5,000 turntable with a $2,000 phono cartridge. (This territory is way over my financial head.) But there's more complexity. A record company also has the *option* of using the 'brain space' of the disc to encode 6 channels specified at 96,000 times per second. John Atkinson, the Editor of Stereophile Magazine, recently responded to a question I posed via email with this answer: "DVD is restricted to a maximum data rate of 10Mb/s, hence it can't do 6 channels of 24.96 without using MLP lossless compression...." So, while Stereophile appears to "like" 192 x 2 channels, they haven't really formed an opinion on 6 channels at 96. In the past, any kind of analog compression carries with it audible side effects. Will this *first generation* digital compression (MLP lossless compression) be "transparent"? Most record companies are talking about using this 6 channel 'brain space' as a super version of 5.1. (5.1 is five full-range speakers while the .1 means one subwoofer channel.) At least one has stated that they'll put out 6 full-range channels instead of 5.1. Confused? Join the club! ~~~ To make it worse, Sony has a completely incompatible super digital format called SACD. So far Sony has only sold 2 channel (stereo) players and discs and Stereophile says it's great. They say it's certianly an improvement over CD sound. (Then of course, there are those on the rec.audio.high-end news group who say it sounds the same.) However, the SACD format includes a 6 channel option as well. I think it's unlikely that Sony has created the 6 channel specification without having the ability to manufacture a 6 channel player. In other words, for every 2 channel SACD player they sell, they may be able to sell a 6 channel SACD player in a few years, when they decide it's time to sell another box! There may be combination players which will let you play both DVD-Audio and SACD at some point. ~~~ CD is now sounding better than ever though because the technology of separate and very expensive Digital to Analog converters can often be enhanced with a new technology called "Upsampling". I haven't heard this but apparently you get *some* of the benefits of the high-res formats with every CD already in your library. ~~~ As someone recently pointed out (Jerry Notaro, I think), you can decode HDCD discs (like most of Joni's catalog) with a few DVD (movie) player. See the HDCD site for details. ~~~ Stereophile magazine and its website are excellent resources about the high-end. Consider that most multitrack recordings are already hamstrung in the quality department anyway. If you can hear the higher sound purity of the piano on "For The Roses" as compared to "Court and Spark", then you may be interested in audiophile equipment. If not, don't worry about it. Which brings me back to the reason why I haven't written about DVD-Audio and SACD in the "Audiophile's Corner" series- it's a big damn mess. Ultimately, hardware is just a way to bring us the music. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:53:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: cats NJC From Sneaky Pie's Flea Market on http://www.ritamaebrown.com: "Thought for the Day: Dogs have masters. Cats have staff." That about sums it up. Lori in DC ~ Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:40:31 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: cats NJC just as an aisde, cats alos have fleas! No cats, no fleas on the dogs, very few. With Cats-loads of fleas all over the house and the doags "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > >From Sneaky Pie's Flea Market on > http://www.ritamaebrown.com: > > "Thought for the Day: Dogs have masters. Cats have > staff." > > That about sums it up. > > Lori > in DC > ~ > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:14:48 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: change to colin's list (njc) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Bob "the gem" Muller wrote: > > << Getting married is WAY too easy. I think there should be much more > pre-marital counseling so couples know what to expect. >> > and then Jimmy shared his email from Marcel, part of which said: > > < fulfilling for a significant period of time > (Bonus alternative) Go to the next jonifest where you will be immersed in > love and music and good vibes with a group of people who will appreciate you > and have a ball.>> to which i could not help but respond: thank you Jimmy so very much for opening up to us about the matters of your heart. Oh the bittersweet synchronicity of your post is too much. Know that you are not alone. We continue to hold you close and remind you that we are here for you during difficult days. There is nothing on the face of the earth quite like the love and support found in the arms of our beloved Joni family. Marcel's list certainly gives levity to the heaviness. A therapist once told me it was good for the soul to maintain a sense of humour, somehow. On a more serious note, yes indeed, there is so much work to keeping a relationship "real vibrant lively and fulfilling". My two cents worth on how relationships can work...I am learning from a great teacher that it takes an ability, a willingness to communicate on every level as well as making a committment to respect, value, nurture, nourish and love each other in every way possible. Coming through a very tough day legally speaking due to the horrendous vortex of my past, I truly am blessed to have learned this very tender lesson. Thank you Brian. so much love to you always, magsie ;) xoxox np: our Eva Cassidy collection...thanks Uncle John :-))) > > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:15:18 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: getting together I know there are several proposals on the table for 'fests; I haven't been keeping track of the details, so please pardon me if am suggesting dates that have already been suggested. As some of you know, my wife Judy and I are partners in a restaurant-cabaret in Manhattan. On Memorial Day Weekend, things are a little slower than usual there and my partners have agreed that JMDL and friends could use the place to hang out, make music eat and drink for a moderate cost. Because there are so many things to do in NYC, I tentatively thought we could break it up into three parts: Sat. afternoon, Sat. night and Sun. afternoon. There would be a $10 admission charge for each time slot. I will post the menu in a couple of weeks if there seems to be interest. We have a good grand piano on a modest-sized stage in the cabaret, seating at tables and banquettes for about 50 and an atmosphere and kitchen which almost everyone who's been there seems to admire very much. Some JMDL posts have spoken kindly of the club. I await comments and suggestions, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: Al Date Subject: so much for "just enforcing the laws"--NJC 1. Cops and Robbers: Exposis Find Ashcroft Encouraged Constitutional Violations in Missouri Asset Forfeiture Cases, Police Agencies Kept Funds Intended for Schools An article by investigative journalist Dan Forbes, released yesterday evening by the Progressive Review (http://www.prorev.org), has confirmed something that drug war observers had strongly suspected: John Ashcroft, as Missouri Governor, agreed to "look the other way" while state police federalized asset forfeitures in order to keep money seized in their agencies -- violating a Missouri constitutional requirement that forfeiture funds instead go to the state's school system. If this information receives the attention it merits, it will raise serious questions about the AG nominee's willingness to obey the spirit as well as the letter of the law. Information provided in recent weeks by DRCNet made the case that legislation sponsored by John Ashcroft as Senator showed a disregard for the 1st and 4th amendments to the bill of rights of the US Constitution (http://www.stopjohnashcroft.org). Now, hard evidence exists showing a disregard for the Missouri state constitution as well, in Ashcroft's actual practice as the state's chief executive. Strongly suggestive evidence of the same was also presented, earlier the same day, by syndicated columnist Arianna Huffington. Asset forfeiture reform is an issue that has recently received bipartisan attention. Legislation championed by Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL) to curb some excesses of federal asset forfeiture law was passed by an overwhelming margin in the House of Representatives, and unanimously in the Senate, last year. The issue is drawing increased scrutiny in state governments as well; for example, forfeiture was a major topic at a recent conference of southern state legislators, with action promised by some attendees (http://www.drcnet.org/wol/161.html#southernforfeiture). Some states have specifically addressed the issue of forfeiture federalizations. A ballot initiative passed by Utah voters this November diverts asset forfeiture proceeds into education, a similar initiative in Oregon into drug treatment. The Missouri Constitution requires that asset forfeiture funds be transferred to the school system. In Utah and Oregon, a court hearing would be required before any funds are transferred to the federal government, and would mandate that any funds returned would be used as specified in the initiatives. More than spending choices lies at the heart of such requirements. One of the harms of asset forfeiture is the distortion of law enforcement priorities and standards -- police agencies will sometimes choose cases that promise a lucrative forfeiture take over other cases with greater bearing on public safety -- and the lure of forfeited drug money provides an incentive to take shortcuts with suspects' Constitutional rights. Requiring that forfeited funds go to budgetary areas other than law enforcement is intended to reduce those risks. In order to circumvent state laws imposing such requirements, however, police agencies will often turn forfeiture cases over to the federal government, which in turn will return most of the money back to the state or local police, rather than to the places the state legislatures intended. This is what happened in Missouri - -- where a provision of the state's Constitution, affirmed by the courts and the legislature, directs that forfeiture proceeds go to the schools instead. The aiding and abetting, by a top state official and the US Department of Justice, of a constitutional violation by that state's police agencies to keep money that lawfully should have gone to the state's schools, could well be seen as having bearing on that official's suitability to head the Department of Justice. Read Dan Forbes' detailed expose at http://www.prorev.com/ashcroft.htm -- and Arianna Huffington's column at http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/011801.html - -- and decide for yourself. - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:38:08 -0600 From: "Gerald" Subject: Re: The MP3 tribute to Joni continues !!! Frederick! I'm totally flattered! Downloaded it, and have played it a few times over. It's waaaaaay more interesting now! Tons o' fun! Some of my fave bits: the congas, the guitar solos, Joni introductions, and Patsy saying; "Right... Cheers! Thanks a lot!" LOVE the conga bits!!!!!! At 1:40 of playback, they're a perfect fit. Gave me goose bumps. You did what I had wanted to do, but had only made a failed, fleeting attempt at doing (creating and inserting samples). What software did you use? Funny thing; this internet. You toss something into it much like the proverbial message in a bottle thrown into the ocean. Someone grabs it, plays with it, tosses it back, and it's completely new and wonderful. THAT'S inspiring! "Right... Cheers! Thanks a lot!" Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 20:50:34 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Portraits...NJC Hi Don, Sorry to take so long to get back to you with my brother's opine on "Portraits", but it's been crazy around here since the holidays.Steve really liked this and thanked me for it;he especially loved your Yamaha DS540, and how the 'piano' sounds on "The Good King's Trio" (no, he doesn't think your playing is so bad!)He also liked your arrangement of "Silent Night", with the' violins' created by the Yamaha.He said he would have loved to have gotten his hands on your DS540, if only they had it 30 yrs. ago--what a blast he would've had! Thanks again----- BW, Megan :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:22:38 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni and David Bowie Did they ever record together, or sing together in public? That would be a very interesting collaboration, Imo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 23:27:51 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: song for Joni I haven't previously posted this to the list but I wrote a song about Joni Mitchell that I hope to include on my next cd. The song is entitled "California" and was written not long after jonifest last fall. I was just going to wait till next fall to share this but I thought I would go ahead and post the lyrics as I was thinking about how glad I am to be a part of this community and this song is somewhat about that. It is the first song I have ever written in a completely open tuning. DAEF#AD California (c)2000 Victor Johnson California, valley of sunshine, Carry me to your golden shore. Wind around the starlit highway, Up above the mountain cliffs. Sweet lady of the canyon, Won't you take me for a ride. Fill me with your perfect vision, Lead me to this holy land. California, coming closer, Starry skies and sleepless nights. Early morning, passion thunder, And the love keeps pouring out. Walk me through your redwood pastures, Beneath the trees so high and wide. Lay me down in fertile valleys, Morning glory on the vine. California, take me home, Brighten my southern sky. Sing me an unbroken lullaby, I'll spread my wings, teach me to fly. California, lonely skybird, Fly over ocean of white clouds. Gaze down on a deep blue heaven, Shining in the sunlight sky. Dream of wooden ships and mermaids, Dolphins jumping in the sea. With no particular destination, California's just around the bend. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #33 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?