From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 029 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: On Atlantic Records, "Jazz", Dr. King, and Segregation, NJC ["Jim L'H] Re: On Atlantic Records, "Jazz", Dr. King, and Segregation, NJC [dsk ] Re: My free music NJC [mags ] Re: i am sorry NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re:segregation NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] segregation, NJC [Emily Kirk Gray ] Clark's album (SJC) [Louis Lynch ] Re: HOSL [mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar] Re: Muslims stick up Washington [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: HOSL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: HOSL [mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar] JoniMitchell.com site down again? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Clark's album (SJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Muslims Sticking Up Washington... ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: HOSL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] My new cat, NJC [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Clark's album (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] converting from tape to CD via PC (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Muslims stick up Washington [Les Irvin ] Joni, Willie and Richard ["J.David Sapp" ] Fw: My free music NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: Posts of the Day (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Good-bye for now [Louis Lynch ] ISO: NY&CH, 2 nights at the Warfield NJC [Mark Domyancich ] The Jungle Line - a different reaction [Merk54@aol.com] martin luther king NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: DO PROTEST SONGS HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE? NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: One Night in Davis / MG, Nikki and the Davis Gang. (md) [MDESTE1@aol.] Re: NJC Re: JMDLr Musician Fred Simon in Chicago Sun Times as Chicago Jazz Great! [FredN] Yo Cover Bob ["Michael Paz" ] Re: JMDLr Musician Fred Simon in Chicago Sun Times as Chicago Jazz Great! [FredNow@aol.c] sorry!! NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: The Jungle Line - a different reaction [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: sorry!! NJC [mags ] Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! [TanyerSCO@aol.com] "Jazz" on Wednesday, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Love Letter to Steve Segal (even Joni content!) [MGVal@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:26:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: On Atlantic Records, "Jazz", Dr. King, and Segregation, NJC I forgot to edit enough. After the last sentence of this excerpt, I should have put in this: The young white man went on to become an attorney and help write the desegregation laws of the early sixties. So Louis Armstrong, because of his amazing gift, inadvertently inspired the reform of laws that shackled him and his contemporaries in the southern states. I said, *** Then, tonight, in the "Jazz" series, they had a segment about a young white man (I don't remember his name) who, at the age of 17 witnessed the most brilliant musician by far in his life.... Louis Armstrong. The young man reflected that he had been raised to think that (paraphrased) 'Negros (his word) were fine in their place. But standing there, witnessing this man, this amazingly gifted trumpeter, this *genius*, made me ask myself, "What exactly is the *place* for a man such as *this*?' Louis Armstrong made him realize that 'allowing a people their place' was a lie, a euphemism for restricting a people who should be free. *** insert new text here Thanks all, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:47:43 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: On Atlantic Records, "Jazz", Dr. King, and Segregation, NJC 1910s??? Is this just a typo, Jim? No, the South was segregated well into the 1960s. That's what all the sit-ins and marches with Dr. King were about. There was even a law in Virginia until recently banning interracial marriages and there's probably still some laws of that type on the books in some of those states, all justified by the claim of "states' rights." Ugly ugly segregation was unbelievably ugly and, no, unfortunately Lincoln didn't make all things right. Debra Shea Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Somehow I was not aware that the segregation in the south (in the USA) was > as recent as the 1910s. I thought that Lincoln made things right and > magically, everything changed overnight. I was so wrong. (I hated history > so I never paid attention. I kept waiting for "the point". The "formula", > the solution that would let me condense the lesson to a one-liner. Hey, > this strategy worked in Science, Math, and grammar.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:42:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content! Yeah. What he said. Especially because the drums are **supposed** to jar the listener. As I implied but didn't state clearly, after the cozy first track, I think she **wants** to jar us with war drums. She's turning a sharp corner right in your face, on purpose. I can identify with this startling realization when I was in my 20s. That not everyone who drives home after a night of partying arrives home safely. And not all that take sleeping pills with alcohol get to wake up. It's an *ugly* reality, it's not a clear soprano chirping "I made my baby cry." It's 'The customers that promise to pay her well will instead rip the waitress to pieces. The Kingpin is going to use her for all she's worth then convert her sweetness into addiction so he can toss her out like a soiled Kleenex.' The Jungle Line is about some of the ugliest, scariest things that humans do to each other. Yeah. What he said. That was cooool. Lama Relayer said, <<------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:31:01 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! I also want to mention that it may be a good thing that you are having a hard time with "The Jungle line".I think that Great Art should not always be pleasent.Sometimes,it is difficult to understand,or ugly,or complex and takes awhile to sink in ...that can make it more valuable.Joni's music is not "easy listening",in the case of that song,literally so...but maybe the effort that you make into appreciating the song will be worth it... - ------------------------------>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:06:18 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Charity / Cherokee Emily wrote: > hi all. i'm listening to TI now, haven't in a while... > it's a gorgeous, moody, troubled album. her voice > is so pained here. > > anyway, just now as i was playing "magdalene laundries" > at the part where she sings "our lady of charity -- > oh, charity" with a planet full of anger, regret, > and sadness all in that last word -- Hi Emily..... I am moved to the core by TI. I find Turbulent Indigo moody, sad, empowering, wonderful, passionate, powerful, and hauntingly close to home. Very stirring. Magdalene laundries is particularly difficult for me to listen to. It is ridden with so much pain and despair. And yes, that story within the Magdalene Laundries is horrifying and unfortunately a lot more common than not. As for Michael's suggestion that Magdalene Laundries may be considered a protest song for the 90's, I agree and I would like to add: the personal IS political. take good care, Mags > > > - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:15:31 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: My free music NJC > our wise and sensitive brother Bob wrote: > > <> to which i quietly add: thank you for sharing this precious gem. words to live by. and as far as Dr. King is concerned, with all love and respect: je me souviens. Mags np: the sound of silence in this moment of insomnia - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:56:03 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: i am sorry NJC In a message dated 1/16/01 1:45:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << for which i again apologize. >> well....it's my fault for taking us into the gutter on the list in the first place. i guess all that talk about religion and politics just got to me to want to be playful and extreme. and i had just finished all the homework for the night which is getting harder and harder and cracked open a beer which i've been really cutting back on lately, and i felt good about life and was waiting on my wife to get home from cooking school with some samples. plus i do like the idea of you as pan. or maybe a muse? cough...ok. no more go there. anyway, none of it looked so bad to me this morning. more like just ....blowing off steam. and really, clark does have a set of bicepts, i don't care if your str8 or gay, it's fact not belief, so that's not saying anything wrong. and as for colin's dog, well we should all be so lucky don't ya think. ok...sorry. how about a new discussion about oh...um....well how about the very serious joni mitchell who never says anything off color or twisted or shocking or edgy. let's start with her poem..penolope and the saltwater licks. have a good day today list. savor life's sweetness. patrick np. clark - saltwater ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:08:24 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re:segregation NJC Yes, infact Delaware did not concede until 1901..about 40 years after the south. blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:21:26 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: segregation, NJC jim wrote, "Here's hoping that we never, ever go the way of segregation again and properly focus on equal opportunity every day of the new millennium." and i am gathering courage to make a (rare!) entry into this political fray on the list, to add: yesterday i thought about king, read about him, and listened to his words on the radio. and i shuddered at the thought of our actually being able to nominate or approve someone like ashcroft to the position of attorney general -- someone who has been proven a SPECIFIC opponent to anti-segregation causes. where are we going with this? we ALL have more reason every day in this new year to fight HARDER to keep dr. king's dream alive...this is a fight that is far from over. - --emily, remembering the NYTIMES editorial about bush's "win" in the election, which pointed out that civil rights could be set back dozens of years because of him. i didn't know what was meant by this at the time, but reading about ashcroft, i think i do now... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:27:54 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Clark's album (SJC) Clark, I visited your CDBaby site and listened to your album samples. Kudos! What a great voice you have! Sexy. I can't wait to get my copy of the album so I can hear the harp parts. (There are harp parts, aren't there? Oh no. Call me.) The members on this list sure do have a lot of talent. When I hear Kate and Clark, I think, "Mmmm, I wish MY albums were that good." Am I competitive? No. Envious? No. Proud to be in such great company? Oh yeah. I always considered Joni one of my greatest musical influences, and I think listening to her music has contributed a lot to my own creativity and adventuresomeness when it comes to performing and composing. I guess she's a bona fide MUSE because her influence seems to work for so many others. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:40:36 -0300 From: mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar Subject: Re: HOSL Rob wrote, >If it were released today, for the first time, it would still be pertinent, compelling, luscious, plaintive, lustful, real, and brilliant (both in its concept and craftsmanship). > Now, this is nice... I bought my copy on Saturday, through a .com, so it won't be arriving until next week... The only song on HOSL that I've heard is "Edith and the kingpin" (from Shadows and Light) and it's probably my favourite Joni song so far (bear in mind that I've heard less than half her records). I really don't want to expect too much from HOSL so that I won't be disappointed, but with descriptions like the one above, it's an impossible task. When I finally listen to it and recover, I will try to defeat my tendency to reticence and share my impressions with you. Mariana - -doing as if working ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:45:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Muslims stick up Washington <> Great articles, Les! Lots of insight to be as short as they are - thanks to whoever stepped up and transcribed them. (No mention of the "you-know-what" on the Hejira cover, though! ;~) And I loved this quote about DJRD: "According to Joni, most reviews of the album missed its point: "Basically it has to do with turning your back on America and heading into the Third World" I'd always considered this to be a subtheme, surely, but wouldn't consider it as the main topic...I'll have to revisit DJRD this week with that in mind. Funny that the record kicks off with Cotton Avenue, which is NOT about heading into the third world but rather going into the lights and noise. Maybe that's where it starts...hmmmm (he thought to himself, while the rusted and semi-stripped gears in his brain began to slowly whirl...) Or maybe the theme started with Jungleline, or maybe with "out of the city and down to the seaside"... Bob NP: Tori, "suede" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:51:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL <> Mariana, Unless you've got some kind of edited version of S&L, you've also heard "In France they Kiss On Main Street", and of course the title track "Shadows & Light", where she adds the Persuasions and the eerie, haunting keyboards to allow the song to scale even greater heights than when it was released from the studio. Bob NP: Tori, "not proof" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:06:17 -0300 From: mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar Subject: Re: HOSL >Unless you've got some kind of edited version of S&L, you've also heard "In France they Kiss On Main Street", and of course the title track "Shadows & Light",> Yours is a good point, Bob. But I got such an edited version of S&L, that it only contained "Edith and the kingpin". ;-) Mariana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:07:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: JoniMitchell.com site down again? Has anyone else had trouble getting onto that site? Keeps saying that site is busy and not accepting requests at this time. I emailed Jim to let him know. Man...Not again.......... _Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:19:48 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Clark's album (SJC) In a message dated 1/16/01 8:41:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << What a great voice you have! Sexy. >> how'd you like the bicepts? patrick np. rayjoheyaad - subterranean homesick alien ( and people think I'm strange ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:12:46 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Muslims Sticking Up Washington... Great thread! This is one of my all time fave JM songs, from my second fave JM album, not to mention one of the most peculiar one liners from the catalogue. It's always had me wondering (and chuckling...). I thought I'd just chime in and say that DJRD may well have served as an essay about turning your back on America and heading into the third world, but I find this to be in stark contrast to HOSL, which I always perceived to be a study between the two worlds, coming to the conclusion that as humans, we all behave animalistically and that there really is no difference between the 2 cultures. Put simply, merely because we drive fancy cars, live in well decorated houses, shop at Bloomindale's, swim in luxurious blue pools, and on and on, that these are just disguises we wear to dilute the fact that we're still very much a part of the jungle line...little progress has been made at the CORE of our mutual being. Maybe then, DJRD offers the conclusion that going back in civilization is what Joni sees as a more honest and real way to live...hmmm. -Chris NP:"At Midnight"-Rufus, live at the Savoy (Go Chaka, Go!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:27:36 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Clark's album (SJC) > how'd you like the bicepts? > patrick I didn't hear any biceps on the recording samples. When Clark puts harp on his next album, maybe he could get himself a good biceps player, too. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:32:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL <> Dang! That's SOME editing! Bad enough that Argentina rips off entire CD's (5 that I've sent never made their destinations), but NOW they're taking tracks off of the ones that DO get through! :~D There's only one reasonable solution, Mariana...come to Jonifest 2001, and smuggle the good stuff back in yourself! ;~) Bob NP: Tori, "Cornflake Girl (Live)" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:45:48 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: My new cat, NJC Congrats on your new feline, Jim. Just a word of caution. Please do not attempt to dry your cat in the clothes dryer :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:56:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Clark's album (NJC) <> Patrick...are you turning into a 'biceptual'? LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:09:39 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: converting from tape to CD via PC (NJC) You'd think that with all my computer experience I'd know more about this... I have a CD burner in my home PC and Adaptec's software to copy from CD to CD. But I don't know how to go from tape to CD. (I assume I need a sound card that supports input from an external device - I'll check on that...) What about software? Any advice, ideas, cautions, etc.? Thanks. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:34:39 -0300 From: mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar Subject: Re: HOSL (NJC) >Bad enough that Argentina rips off entire CD's (5 that I've sent never made their destinations)> Well, that's a record! Maybe the problem is the route... or maybe it's the sender, have you commited any crimes in Argentina? I've received and sent CDs from and to Iceland, Italy, Hungary, Holland... the only problem I ever had was when I sent a perfectly sealed package with two CDs to a friend in Genova and he got a perfectly sealed package with only one CD. It seems the thief didn't think Daniel Melero's music held any sort of interest. He kept Gustavo Cerati's record though. They do ocasionally omit tracks when they edit records locally. They left one song out of Lou Reed's last. Nice practice, isn't it? >There's only one reasonable solution, Mariana...come to Jonifest 2001, and smuggle the good stuff back in yourself! ;~)> OK. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:31:54 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's Life, Loves, Music & gay support? Jerry wrote: >Joni has been maintained a high profile with regards to gay rights in the L.A. area, recently attending a Lambda Awards dinner in support of Lambda's work to support positive gay images in the media. Several have been mentioned in Joni History Today posts.> >Last Gay Pride I posted several messages describing Joni's inclusion in the cd Pride disc, even offering copies to those interested. I think that she was again showing support for the gay community which has been so supportive of her over the years.> Jerry, thanks very much for taking the time to (apparently) repeat this info for my benefit... when I posted I kind of thought that someone might have made this known already and I had just missed it... so waddaya know? I'm learning all the time. :o) >There have been many posts to this list where straight members have discussed their romantic relationships. Very many. It would be nice to hear from you then about their rants and how boring it all is to you.> mostly all I've seen have been really spcifically related to Joni's music... eg: 'my sig. other loves/likes/doesn't like/can't stand Joni's music' or one of Joni's songs/albums in relation to the relationship... guess I missed the others... >> 3) being str8 myself, it just didn't interest me...>> >Maybe this is the real reason for your opinion.> ummm... I think I said it was a reason... and a 'real' one? yes... else why would I say so? so were the others I listed. at the risk of being redundant, "Hey, I'm entitled to my opinion, ain't I? ;o)" thanks again, Jerry. I really do appreciate the info you provided. I guess no one knows anything about that book... :o( cheers, pat NP: Black Crow http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:57:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL (NJC) <> Accusations only - no convictions as yet! ;~) <> Weird! With my luck they'd omit "Beat of Black Wings" and leave "Dancin' Clown" on! :~D And, I'm looking forward to meeting you at the next Jonifest! YAY! Bob NP: Tori, "iieee" (looks like she bought too many vowels!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:30:45 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Clark's album (NJC) In a message dated 1/16/01 9:56:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << Patrick...are you turning into a 'biceptual'? LOL! >> that is a riot. i've actually considered the whole thing since this morning. it's jealousy. i'm seethingly jealous. there is no way i can ever make mine look like that. forever. it's over. i'll never get there. so i'm sad. and see...that's how the whole thing with the kayaks started which pissed me off last night. my wife bought the kayaks for me to get my bicepts going better. now this rag woman won't let me keep them at the dock. so it's a viscious circle. and his bicepts keep accelerating the thing and spinning it around and around and around. patrick np. joan armatrading - love and affection ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:32:15 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: converting from tape to CD via PC (NJC) Record from your line-in to a WAV file or collection of WAV files. Easy CD Creator will just let you burn those as audio tracks. Grab yourself something like CoolEdit to do the sampling with, this will let you tidy up the start and end of each track too. Easy! I've done this to move vinyl recordings to CD. - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Anne > Sandstrom > Sent: 16 January 2001 15:10 > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: converting from tape to CD via PC (NJC) > > > You'd think that with all my computer experience I'd know more about this... > > I have a CD burner in my home PC and Adaptec's software to copy from CD to > CD. But I don't know how to go from tape to CD. (I assume I need a sound > card that supports input from an external device - I'll check on that...) > What about software? Any advice, ideas, cautions, etc.? > > Thanks. > > lots of love > Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:01:04 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Joni paintings (NJC) Hi folks, Mostly a lurker here . . . and had a computer crash and lost a bunch of stuff, including . . . the URL where someone has posted Joni's artwork/paintings. I miss them. Could someone email me the URL/web address again please? Thanks! Richard in San Francisco richard2sf@earthlink.net http://www.home.earthlink.net/~richard2sf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:37:22 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Muslims stick up Washington At 06:45 AM 1/16/2001, Bob M wrote: ><http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8506rp2.cfm>> >Great articles, Les! Lots of insight to be as short as they are - thanks >to whoever stepped up and transcribed them. Marian Russell gets the credit for that! Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:18:44 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Joni, Willie and Richard Richard's Let It Fall CD is beautiful and perfect for all Mitchell fans - say Richard, I've always been curious, how much royalty does Mitchell get from a cover, such as Willie - peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:38:21 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Fw: My free music NJC i like to add, these would be goof words for our jmdl'ers too. hope everyone is having a good year. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mags" To: ; ; "Brian Gross" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: Re: My free music NJC > > our wise and sensitive brother Bob wrote: > > > > > <> > > to which i quietly add: > > thank you for sharing this precious gem. words to live by. > and as far as Dr. King is concerned, with all love and respect: > je me souviens. > > Mags > np: the sound of silence in this moment of insomnia > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ > ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:44:31 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Posts of the Day (NJC) In a message dated 1/13/2001 3:55:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > What great reading today! > > Absolutely the funniest and biggest LOL: > > Kelly for the cat in the dryer. I read this one holding my breath almost to > hyperventilation and am so glad that the cat came out simply extra "fluffy!" > > Absolutely the most beautiful: > > Victor and Kate B. on magic and love and spirituality and more. Thank you - > you said it all for me. > > It was a joy to read you all. > I "know" I'm not supposed to say "me too" but really, as hard as I try, I just can't help myself. I am waaaay behind in reading, per usual, but these same posts touched me in the same way today. Especially Kate's post about religion. I wish I was as eloquent. It was a beautiful piece, and syas exactly what I feel. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:01:07 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Good-bye for now Hi and good-bye all. I've become a by-product of corporate downsizing, and my current e-mail address will be defunct as of today. I want you all to know how nice it's been lurking and delurking over the past two years. Hopefully, I'll be connected to the Internet again sometime soon. But, until then, I have to secure myself off the list. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:22:01 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: ISO: NY&CH, 2 nights at the Warfield NJC Hey everybody, I know this is some serious NJC but I was hoping that somebody has these two shows on CD they would trade or B&P for me. I've got lots to trade, my page is below, and I can send you my list as an attachment. Someone offered them on the Lee Shore but I didn't get to him in time, I guess. Please let me know if you can help me out! NP-New Bohemians, 2/12/90-Love Like We Do - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape/cd trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:23:25 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: HOSL Essay ya Thanks Jim for a the best JMDL message in a long while,it help me thru a long process of ignoring a lot of NJC about Bush league retreads that we will suffer with for the next 4 years. - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:09:54 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: The Jungle Line - a different reaction All of this talk about the Jungle Line has forced me out of lurk mode! Oddly enough, when I first heard HOSL, The Jungle Line was the only song on the album that I even liked - the rest of the album left me cold! In fact, it wasn't until about a year after Hejira came out (which I loved instantly), that my room mate at the time forced me to go back to HOSL. I really resisted this album, even the second time around. Fortunately my room mate was extremely stubborn, and after numerous (forced) listenings, the fog finally lifted, and I saw the light. From what I remember it was like someone through a switch, and all of sudden I got it. Kind of like some weird mathematical theory that you just can't understand, and then bam! it's as clear as day. And once you understand it, you can't quite figure out why you didn't get it the first time. This same sort of thing happens to me with Joni's lyrics quite a bit. I can think of examples where I didn't understand a particular lyric for years, and then all of a sudden it clicks, and then it seems so obvious, that I'm almost embarassed I didn't understand it all along. An example of this would be near the ending of Refuge of the Roads. "In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon" It took me years, and hundreds (if not thousands!) of listenings to realize she was talking about a calendar, and yet now when I read the lyrics, it couldn't be more obvious. Today, I would rank HOSL right up there with the best of Joni's work. And I still love The Jungle Line - those drums are incredible. I make a complete fool of myself everytime that song comes on - it brings out the head banger in me! However, it is also possible to never warm up to a song, and I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that either. For example, I don't care how many times I listen to it, I don't think I will ever enjoy Underneath the Streetlight (or several other songs on WTRF for that matter). I just look at it as part of Joni's diversity, and just because I don't relate to it, doesn't mean there's something wrong with the song or me! Anyway, I'm babbling again. Time to crawl back into lurk mode. Jack Merkel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:36:17 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: martin luther king NJC a question was asked of me and i didn't really know the answer, is there anybody out there who can help me? are there any states in the united states who do not recognize martin luther king's birthday as a holiday? i know the holiday was mandated by the federal gov't but did all the states certify it also. thanks gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:35:31 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: DO PROTEST SONGS HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE? NJC Food for thought, Cassy. There are lots of protest and folksingers in the NW area, esp. between Seattle and SF. I think it's true that there has been a saturation of mindless pop in the past few years, Britney, all the boy bands, etc. The last time the record companies went overboard feeding us the pap of all those dreadful hair bands of the '80's, the grunge movement erupted. My prediction is that the combination of so much meaningless music and the repressive policies that will be instituted by George II will result in a similar backlash. The little boppers that grew up on pap will want something a little more real. I've been reading an interesting book by Alex Constantine called "The Covert War Against Rock", which tries, at times successfully, to link the deaths of rock stars to government conspiracies; cointelpro, etc. It's not that farfetched; they killed MLK, and there have been millions of pages liberated by the FOIA that prove that the FBI kept files on the spokespeople of the '60's generation. Joan Baez was boycotted from radio and TV. When she advocated resisting Vietnam on her appearance on the Smothers Brothers Show it was edited out before broadcast, and the Bros show was itself cancelled soon after for being too edgy. Trying to sell bubblegum to the masses is nothing new. The Partridge Family, Monkees, etc were successful attempts to gut rock of it's meaning and sell it to kids. One hopeful sign is that easily accessable professional recording tools, coupled with internet distribution will dilute the monopoly that the majors have had on the music biz. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:51:51 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLr Musician Fred Simon in Chicago Sun Times as Chicago Jazz "ab" wrote: >Great! Check THIS out. Our Fred Simon has been voted one of the "10 best of the >year: Chicago's jazz greats" in the Showcase section of today's Chicago Sun Times. Truer words were never spoken. Thanks so much, Laura, for posting this info ... very gratifying. (By the way, that Top 10 list also includes Patricia Barber, who some of you may know.) Awhile back, someone on the list wrote that they had trouble finding my album DREAMHOUSE (from the Top 10 list). Some stores carry it, some don't. And unfortunately, the label, Naim-Audio, has a somewhat provincial mindset and won't sell to online stores other than their own. You can try one of these links: http://216.149.62.210/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=naimestore&P roduct_Code=naimcd044&Category_Code=CD_contemp http://naim-audio.com/html/start.html If all else fails, please e-mail me directly and I'll hook you up. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:52:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: martin luther king NJC Gene, I think they are just about all in now. I've heard that Arizona was one of the last and also heard the other night that Hawaii took a long time with it, too. Kakki > a question was asked of me and i didn't really know the answer, is there > anybody out there who can help me? are there any states in the united states > who do not recognize martin luther king's birthday as a holiday? i know the > holiday was mandated by the federal gov't but did all the states certify it > also. thanks gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:57:13 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: One Night in Davis / MG, Nikki and the Davis Gang. (md) Well we had the Pia Zadora of Joni fests. Small but beautiful. With the addition of a few of MGs neighbors who came over to be indoctrinated into the church of Joni it was a warm and friendly gathering that had its moments. Unfortunately the Mixons had something prevent their visit which meant that my fingers alone had to be sacrificed to the ginzu knives called my guitar strings. But it was for a good cause. As in all of these events people I had communicated with but never met turned out to be really neet. But before I describe the fest itself I feel obligated to talk a little about the pre-fest journey to Davis. I wanted to provide a small but special token of my appreciation to the Hostest with the Mostest so I started out early in search of the Taylor Ham. I really wanted to suprise her with that food object that finds its way into most of her communications. Went to safeway and literally had three employees valiantly searching through all their inventory including the back rooms on behalf of my pleadings to find the Sasquatch of food objects the Taylor Ham and it ended up 30 minutes later with all of us looking at the master inventory list only to discover they dont exist at Safeway. Then I tried a specialty store that has gourmey everything. No luck. So I brought home a case of beer to bring and inadvertently left that on the front porch when I left. It was a bozo and road construction day on the road so it took me forever to get out of San Francisco I finally made it over to Oakland area and discovered that they had removed the sign announcing the offramp to Alameda where Russel lives so I ended up getting to his house to pick him up about 45 minutes late. We then proceeded to Davis and lucked out when the 10 mile long traffic jam due to an accident began just 100 feet AFTER the turnoff we needed. Cool. Only to be done in by our directions and in honor of the modern world were literally "talked in" by cell phone. We were there, finally. The evening went by quickly and it was finally capped off with calls from Wally Kairez in Argentina (Investment tip: avoid Argentina telephone company stocks for now) and the inimitable Michael Paz who now that I look at his picture does in fact resemble Stephen Segal (from the neck up anyway) just as the ladies claimed. Maybe we could have a poll. In any event the police were summoned to chase away the crowd of adoring nubile fans who had heard that Michael Paz would be attending the fest, had their money refunded by my attorney and were given a rain check for next year. Ill do anything to get a crowd to a jonifest. In any event..... I had been struck for the two weeks prior to the fest with a cold but fortunately it cleared up and it felt good to do Jonis songs (mostly old ones-Marci, Rainy Night House and a slow version of Carey among them) except for Come in From the Cold (which i did in honor of my colds). I also tried to incorporate a little suspense into my set by accidentally bringing with me my old reading glasses (to read the lyrics), because they have no ability to stay on when I look down so it was a heart stopping moment for all to see whether I could finish a song and still keep my glasses perched perilously on the end of my schnozz. After about three songs my voice arrived and it was a priviledge to do some old chestnuts for the assembled tude (multi being more than 10). Then Nikki played some and I loved her version of a Black Crowe song the name of which escapes me. Shes going to be very good and suprised me by telling me shes only been playing for two years. I had very much looked forward to playing with Steve Mixon and hearing Leslie sing but it just wasnt to be. After the music we sat down for a wonderful cheezecake and coffee prior to Russ and I leaving and unfortunately missing the call from one of my favorite listers (Marian) who I love everything she has done at the fests in the past. It was my distinct privilege to ride to the fest with Russ Bowden. He made some really cool Sweatshirts and T-shirts with the album cover of Hejira on them as a gift for everyone. How classy is that. The man is so deep and has a positively encyclopedic knowledge of so many things, Opera for one, it was a ghreat pleasure just to converse with him during the rides. His family music background is amazingly rich in its history including his own stint with the SF Gay Mens Chorus one of the best choral groups in the SF Bay Area. Hes way too modest. I look forward to seeing him again. If we can ever get Wally the K to the WEST coast someday since hes assiduously avoided the south and west coasts and there is no north coast I just know a dinner with these guys would be a conversation for the ages. Thats one of the very best aspects of the list get togethers. Meeting the listers in person enabels you to know people in depth as opoposed to their posts alone. I hope Mary Grace decides to hold another of these next year. We need to have one on the west coast for sure. So a big thanks to Mary Grace for stepping up. Hopefully next year we can get alot more people. Maybe if we keep her well stocked in Taylor Hams. By the way they are only sold in New Jersey I came to be informed at the fest. Of course Im hoping to actually get to the one in Toppsfield next year and finally get to meet Ashara whos video we watched early in the evening. She did an amazing job on capturing the opening. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:10:06 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: JMDLr Musician Fred Simon in Chicago Sun Times as Chicago Jazz Great! In a message dated 1/6/01 11:16:19 AM, SCJoniGuy writes: >Here's the blurb about the very talented Mr. Simon... > >"9. Fred Simon, "Dreamhouse" (Naim): A CD that creates its own dream environment, >this trio outing by pianist Simon boasts lovely, restfully unfolding melodies >that draw liberally from folk and classical forms. Featuring bassist Kelly >Sill and drummer Sarah Allen (Simon's wife), the music is carried by a >decisive rhythmic pulse even as it strives after poetry." You know, that is so true ... >Congrats to you Fred! Hmmm...music combined with poetry...WHERE did you >ever come up with THAT idea?! ;~D Thanks, Bob. I really appreciate all the kind thoughts and good wishes. I think the reviewer, Lloyd Sachs (clearly a very wise man), was referring more to musical "poetry," although one of the tunes on DREAMHOUSE, entitled "Love Comes Quietly," is an instrumental version of my literal setting of a poem by Robert Creeley of the same title. (In fact, a funny-but-not-so-funny story is that I had wanted to title the whole album LOVE COMES QUIETLY but the record label, based in England, nixed it because they were afraid it would taken as double entendre, actually citing "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me" as precedent. And I thought it was Americans who were sex-crazed yet uptight.) Anyway, I hope to record the vocal version of it one day as part of my ongoing "pop art-songs" project, which thus far includes settings of poems by Theodore Roethke, Rainer Maria Rilke, Dylan Thomas, Robert Creeley, and even a few of my own. For those not familiar with Robert Creeley, here is the poem, offered to entice you all to buy the album, of course: Love Comes Quietly Love comes quietly, finallyRobert Creeley OK, that's about all the self-serving promotion I can muster today. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:21:05 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Yo Cover Bob Yo Bob- (Like you need it). I have a copy of Judy Collins Live at Wolf Trap with (guess WHAT) yet ANOTHER version of Both Sides Now. Do you have/need this? I can send it off to you post haste. Let me know. Best Paz NP-Say Good-Bye-Dave and Tim Live at Luther College ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:01:51 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLr Musician Fred Simon in Chicago Sun Times as Chicago Jazz Great! Michael Paz wrote: >Geaux Fred! Congrats! Bring your jazz band to New Orleans sometime. Be >glad to help you out if I can. Thanks, Michael, for your kind words and generous offer. I still wish I could have made it for PazFest last year. As I've often said: "If they build the gig, I will come." I don't have an agent, per se, so I have to do all my own procrastination ... not an easy task. Anything at all you can do along these lines would be greatly appreciated. By the way, a fantastic saxophonist/composer friend of mine named Ed Petersen lives and teaches down by you ... hear of him? He's really brilliant; we used to play together in Chicago. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:06:57 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: sorry!! NJC > i like to add, these would be goof words for our jmdl'ers too. hope > everyone is having a good year. later gene > please excuse my spelling, i meant "good words" and not "goof words." i try to watch my spelling more closely in the future. heck! i was just one key off. sorry gene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:16:04 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Jungle Line - a different reaction In a message dated 1/16/01 4:35:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Merk54@aol.com writes: << An example of this would be near the ending of Refuge of the Roads. "In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon" It took me years, and hundreds (if not thousands!) of listenings to realize she was talking about a calendar, and yet now when I read the lyrics, it couldn't be more obvious. >> That's OK, it took me a while too. Glad to see you crawled out of lurk mode. By the way, thanks for donating those Joni prints. I was one of the lucky ones at JoniFest to receive one. I had mine framed. Thanks again, I'll treasure it always. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:41:43 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: sorry!! NJC gene mock wrote: > > i like to add, these would be goof words for our jmdl'ers too. hope > > everyone is having a good year. later gene > > > please excuse my spelling, i meant "good words" and not "goof words." i try > to watch my spelling more closely in the future. heck! i was just one key > off. sorry gene and mags sings: s'okay.....beautiful thoughts are never meant to be spell checked. np: Mimis beauteous voice whilst dejunking her bedroom.... hoooooyea. - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:24:04 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! In a message dated 1/16/01 1:59:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << Tanya, In addition to the discussion Kakki mentioned, there was a thread about a year and a half ago about the Jungle Line. In case you don't know about it yet, it's here: http://www.jmdl.com/th-jungleline.cfm You'll see that it's a little rough for many people, along with lots of other reactions and thoughts about it. Debra Shea >> Debra! Thanks so much! This is exactly what I've been looking for. Maybe we should have a separate list for Politics & Religion. Just kidding! Glad to see JMDLers having good exchanges about which they feel passionate. Here till Monday, Tanya in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:27:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Jazz" on Wednesday, NJC On Wednesday, January 17, 2001 PBS will air "Swing: Pure Pleasure", covering 1935-1937. This is the 5th of 10 episodes concentrating on the history of early Jazz in America. I was going to quote a Tom Petty song that I believe is called "Swingin'", (where he mentions Sonny Liston and Benny Goodman as "swingers") but the official Petty site was down and a second site didn't offer a lyric search engine. Of course, I was free to examine each of his albums *individually*, hoping that the song I was thinking of was even released on an album. I passed. Things are nicer here at home. :) Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:29:31 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Love Letter to Steve Segal (even Joni content!) I knew that things were off to a great start when Marcel showed up wearing a g-string and pasties and .... Wait! Wrong party! I knew that things were off to a great start when it was announced that Russ was bringing presents! What could be better? His Heirja shirts were a gazillion times better than anything I've seen in a store. It's probably been mentioned enough times to make them feel bad, so I won't say that the Mixons had to cancel. I brought in two non-list people to help spread the Joni word and at least one of them intends to augment his music collection with a lot more Joni. Everything went over so well and that was due 98% to Nikki. She was fun, gracious and always willing to abate my fear of boredom anxieties. The only snag was when my boyfriend Jeff arrived to pick up my little kids for the night. He mistakenly thought that Nikki was my 11 year old's friend and put her in the truck. There was a tousle and much examination of her identification before I was able to convince Jeff that Nikki was old enough to stay for the festivities. Couple of observations: If anyone gets a chance to meet Marcel, please do so! His right wing, mischievous behavior on the list masks a simply delightful man. He had me in stitches with his Garrett Morris "hearing impaired" translations of dinner table conversations. His playing was wow! I know that Paz and others have gone on before about Marcel's talents, but seeing is believing. Or hearing in this case. Or both. Marcel transformed my humble living room into a very groovy cafe. If auditory memory serves me right, he played great renditions of "Rainy Night House," "Carey," (in a slow Cyndi Lauper way, I sure wish that he did the Cyndi Lauper dance; maybe next time with the pasties and g-string), "Come In From the Cold, (my favorite!), and more. Unfortunately, I missed most of Nikki's playing while I was showing Russ other JoniFest photos on the jmdl site. Russ! Speaking of! What a dude! Why is it that so many really groovy guys are on the "other team?" What's with that? Not only was Russ extraordinarily generous with his very sharp tee's and sweat shirts, he was someone with whom I clicked right off the bat. Funny, sincere, helpful and kind, well, I'm not sure why he's not bottled and sold for mass consumption. Phone central kicked in with WallyK calling from Argentina. Although I tried to stay away from the phone, (it's very hard for me to hear on it), I answered his call. If that wasn't enough, we got phone calls from Steve Segal's stand-in and the always gracious Marian. Non list members were surprised at the far flung camaraderie of the JMDL and the better parts of list harmony were out in full force. Lastly the gig shut down about 11:30. I went to bed. Nikki put away the leftovers. At 1AM I was woken up by rattling doors to find a gaggle of teenyboppers who were here on the tip that Paz was hiding in my living room practicing his karate moves. I reminded them of the Davis Anti Smoking Curfew and sent them home to bed. I'm game for expanding and working this into an annual thing. Now that I'm a veteran of 3 major Fests and numerous small get togethers, I can say with authority: "Get yourself together!" It's worth it. Best, MG ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #29 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?