From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #28 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 028 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My free music (md) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Charity / Cherokee [Michael Paz ] Re: january 13!!!!!! NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: january 13!!!!!! NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: DO PROTEST SONGS HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE? NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Happy Birthday Dr. King [Michael Paz ] Re: politics and our rigidity [dsk ] Re: My free music NJC [dsk ] i am sorry NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Muslims stick up Washington [Les Irvin ] Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! [dsk ] Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! [Relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:39:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: My free music (md) Marcel is not a negative person. Consider this: It's just his literary style. He's paying Carlton a very great compliment here but it *sounds* like he's correcting him. Telling him he's wrong. Carlton said, <<< and my gay bros and/or fellow Brian Wilson freaks will like my homage to the Beach Boys called "Boys on the Sand." >>> to which Marcel said, - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:22:08 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: My free music (md) Sorry Carlton but this song isnt just for your gay brothers this ones for any and everyone. Its a classic. Marcel - ------------------------------ Okay, now Marcel!! You're not the hard ass you appear to be! You're not arrogant. You are a softie too....... Some times..... Once in a while..... Okay, well, *once*! :) Now Carlton, don't you think it's time to *sell* your disc? I mean, now that you have all of this praise from discerning listeners, maybe it's time to let cdbaby have a shot at selling it..... Lama BTW, Marcel, you misspelled "isn't", and "It's". :) These are indisputable facts, straight from a moderate. My source was not the lapdog liberal press. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:39:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Charity / Cherokee Hi Emily- Conceal (sorry i mistakenly typed an ed unintentionally) is from Ludwig's Tune. Magnet and Iron kind of sum up FTR for me (my fave of all time even though I play all most all of Hejira and only a couple from FTR). They are such powerful words. When I played with a rock band in Honduras we thought of both of those words when naming the band. As it turns out we didn;t use either of them and went and entirely different way. Zorzal was the bands name. It is a bird indiginous to Honduras esp. the North Coast and there are beautiful birds that you sometimes even see at night and they tend to dive in front of your car headlights as you drive. I think they tend to nest in underbrush (strangly enough). Conceal-when she sings this I FEEL so much emotion and I can't tell you why. Many of her songs do that to me. Banquet often makes me tear up. In Lesson in Survival I often think of my folks although I never painted my eyelids green or worn a kick pleat skirt (I did wear a flapper dress once but i digress) it brings me inages of my youth and my first guitar and mom and dad... I find the inflections in her voice combined with the tunings and execution of the entire songs are so over the top. This mainly why I choose not to change her stuff too much when I play it and just try to put myself in the song that she wrote and feel from there. Later Michael NP-Message Man-the subdudes on 1/15/01 6:17 AM, Emily Kirk Gray at ekg200@is5.nyu.edu wrote: > hi michael! i don't know if we've ever written directly > to one another before! how fun! > > anyway, you wrote: >>> Another couple of single words > that did it for mer were: > > "magnet and iron" > "concealed"<< > > ok, i recognize "magnet and iron" immediately from > "lesson in survival" (one of my favorites) -- but "concealed" > is on the tip of my brain, and yet...no dice (nice > mixed metaphors, emily!). what song is that? and > also, if i may, why do these specific words/phrases > strike you? what do you hear her voice doing in them? > > i'm so interested. > > --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:53:26 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: january 13!!!!!! NJC and this raving latina has the nerve to say "I'M" salaicious!! UH HUH! You go Wally! BTW does Claudia keep you in touch with your butcher side??? Michael NP-Party-Paul McCartney/Run Devil Run on 1/15/01 12:42 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: the wok will shake and toss and flip ingredients up and over, of course, so not to worry. ;-) wallyK, SEXUALLY RANTING AND PANSEXUAL, ooooo scandal scandal scandal. the babylon whore herself on the jmdl!!!! - -----Mensaje original----- De: claud9ine [mailto:claud9ine@home.com] Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2001 04:41 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org; FMYFL@aol.com; john.van.tiel@wxs.nl; jmichaelpaz@telocity.com Asunto: Re: january 13!!!!!! NJC Yep, you would be a perfect wok ... well seasoned! ;-)))) And... who's going to stir?????? ;-)))) or better..when and where ... hint hint hint ;-))) claud9 (missing you all) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:15:55 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: january 13!!!!!! NJC on 1/15/01 5:41 PM, catman at colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk wrote: > Especially as he humps them evry chance he gets Sounds like Clark to me. Paz NP-Do it Again-Steely Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:25:40 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: DO PROTEST SONGS HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE? NJC on 1/15/01 7:14 PM, cassy at cassysweet@msn.com wrote: > > 1990s > > ? How about the Magdeline Laundries??? Paz Np-Shapes of Things-The Yardbirds ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:25:41 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Lyrics Section of JMDL, NJC Kudos to Les. I'm not sure if the Lyrics Section is a new section or not. Les isn't one to trumpet new sections of the JMDL. He's more of a church mouse where "promotion" is concerned. So I'm here today ladies and gentlemen, to brag on a section of the JMDL site at: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/index.cfm On this collection of pages, you can, with lightening speed, answer questions like "On what albums does "Impossible Dreamer" appear"? or "Where is a list of Joni's song titles, arranged alphabetically?" or "In which songs does she use the word "grass"? So, thank you Les for this wonderful research tool. BTW, you also made it easy for me to look up the "My Top 12" info from this weekend's "The Jungle Line" post on the www.jmdl.com/trading page. Thanks bud. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Dr. King on 1/15/01 8:20 PM, simon@icu.com at simon@icu.com wrote: > others may have forgotten, but not i ... in the late 70's the effort to > establish a national holiday in honor of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King > was stalled and passage seemed hopeless. > > (in large messure) due to the tireless efforts of Stevie Wonder, > Right! eventually won out over ignorance. and we now honor this > man who many reviled while he lived. thankx man. Simon Regretfully the fight is still NOT over. Thanks for the post and the reminder. Michael NP-Boogie with Stu-Led Zep ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:48:42 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: politics and our rigidity MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > So you tell me who wins that argument. This is the crux of the problem in communicating with you, Marcel. You're the only one on the list who thinks there's any winning or losing going on here. Everyone else is involved in conversations, not death matches where information is used as weaponry. What's the point of that? Where's any enjoyment in that? You're the only one playing a wargame so for you to scold anyone about not responding to your weapons is meaningless. Especially in political discussions, most of your information comes from right-wing propaganda websites without you recognizing or admitting to their one-sidedness. There's no evidence from you of thinking or discovering or questioning or willingness to genuinely consider another person's viewpoint and thereby have an actual give and take conversation; you just repeat huge amounts of information like a robot and when you don't automatically "win" your argument by doing that, your next weapons are outright snideness, hatefulness and meanspiritedness. So, once a person has had one such experience, why would anyone bother responding to you again? Knowing your attitude, I don't even bother reading most of what you write, and never read the unwanted private messages I receive from you; they go right into the trash since you continue to send them even after my requests that you respond publicly to a public post. So you're in the war all by yourself and thinking you're winning. That's very sad. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 01:24:33 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: My free music NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > I'll get over there and do it, Clark! Yes, me too. I finally got the copy you sent me and spent much of one work day listening to it. Very enjoyable and so personal it felt like you were about 3 feet away. My favorite is the song to your friend that you didn't think you'd said goodbye to properly. You certainly did it here. I'll give it a listen again soon and send in a more detailed reaction. It's great that it's on cdbaby. Congrats on that!!! Debra Shea P.S. I agree with Bob about the Matthew Shepard song. It's beautiful. > Your tribute to Matthew Shepard alone is worth the purchase price. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:33:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: i am sorry NJC i am sorry for having inadvertently sent two of my private posts to the list in general. i am usually very careful when i label my posts, let alone when i choose my readers. i will not comment on the opinions i expressed in my posts, but i would like the list to rest assured that said opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my correspondents at hand. in addition, i will take the liberty of reminding sickened paul iv of the fate of those who throw stones and live in the proverbial glass house. someone that evinced such finesse and gentility as to suggest that another list member ''eat shit and die'' is hardly to be taken seriously when he is sickened by personal attacks. of course, the consideration above does not detract from the crassness of my posting error, for which i again apologize. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:51:37 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Muslims stick up Washington Joniphiles - There's been a flurry of activity in the articles database lately, as a number of people have responded to my plea for help with typing. Two particularly interesting ones have recently been put on the site: The Making of the 'Hejira' Cover: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8506rp1.cfm The Making of the 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter' Cover http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8506rp2.cfm Does Joni finally resolve the "Muslims stick up Washington" dilemma?? Still more typing to do if anyone is interested... Les, posting twice in one month... he must be stopped! NP - Pierre Bensusan, "L'Alchimiste" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:04:40 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! Tanya, In addition to the discussion Kakki mentioned, there was a thread about a year and a half ago about the Jungle Line. In case you don't know about it yet, it's here: http://www.jmdl.com/th-jungleline.cfm You'll see that it's a little rough for many people, along with lots of other reactions and thoughts about it. Debra Shea TanyerSCO@aol.com wrote: > I've been listening to the album as a whole and loving it, but Jungle Line is > still a little rough. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:02:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: On Atlantic Records, "Jazz", Dr. King, and Segregation, NJC Somehow I was not aware that the segregation in the south (in the USA) was as recent as the 1910s. I thought that Lincoln made things right and magically, everything changed overnight. I was so wrong. (I hated history so I never paid attention. I kept waiting for "the point". The "formula", the solution that would let me condense the lesson to a one-liner. Hey, this strategy worked in Science, Math, and grammar.) Anyway, today I heard record exec Ahmet Geuren (sp) of Atlantic Records talk about signing the legendary Duke Ellington to his label in our nation's capital, Washington D.C.. Mr. Geuren (sp) said that he wanted to have a nice long fine dining type of dinner with this musical genius, this hero, this national treasure. He realized that with Washington's "Jim Crow" laws, there was NO RESTAURANT IN THE CITY WHERE THEY COULD BE SERVED TOGETHER!! In Mister Ellington's home town! So these two wealthy men ate in the only place where they could be seen together- a diner in a transportation terminal. I forget if it was at a railroad or a bus terminal. That is disgusting. *** Then, tonight, in the "Jazz" series, they had a segment about a young white man (I don't remember his name) who, at the age of 17 witnessed the most brilliant musician by far in his life.... Louis Armstrong. The young man reflected that he had been raised to think that (paraphrased) 'Negros (his word) were fine in their place. But standing there, witnessing this man, this amazingly gifted trumpeter, this *genius*, made me ask myself, "What exactly is the *place* for a man such as *this*?' Louis Armstrong made him realize that 'allowing a people their place' was a lie, a euphemism for restricting a people who should be free. Here's hoping that we never, ever go the way of segregation again and properly focus on equal opportunity every day of the new millennium. Lama If I could get paid for writing editorials I would have made a lot of money this weekend..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:08:02 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "I Have A Dream", NJC Besides having the right idea, Dr. King also had a way with words. It's hard to sustain a metaphor like this without sounding fake: "In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now." I offer the following words of Neil Young: "Long may you run Long may you run Although these changes have come." Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:31:01 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! I also want to mention that it may be a good thing that you are having a hard time with "The Jungle line".I think that Great Art should not always be pleasent.Sometimes,it is difficult to understand,or ugly,or complex and takes awhile to sink in ...that can make it more valuable.Joni's music is not "easy listening",in the case of that song,literally so...but maybe the effort that you make into appreciating the song will be worth it... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #28 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?