From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 016 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's Presidential Performance ? ["Paul Headon" ] Re: Joni's Presidential Performance ? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Politics and religion (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: John McVie (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: John McVie (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] mother's day thread [evian ] Re: Joni's Presidential Performance ? ["Victor Johnson" ] Stood up at the Fez/Mingus band (vljc) [dsk ] Volume 13; European orders welcome ["John van Tiel" Subject: Joni's Presidential Performance ? Hi Has Joni ever been asked to sing for any US President at the White House and did she in fact go and sing ? Best Wishes Paul Headon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:52:26 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Video Tree 1 & 2 Available If you're one of my tardy leaves, you can still send in your VHS blanks. If you're new to the list and think you missed out, send me an email. If you have no idea what a tree is read www.jmdl.com/trading then write me an email if you live in the US. Also available, the TNT Tribute to Joni Mitchell in stereo from a digital cable connection. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:07:34 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Presidential Performance ? In a message dated 1/11/01 9:44:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, paul.headon@ntlworld.com writes: << Has Joni ever been asked to sing for any US President at the White House and did she in fact go and sing ? Best Wishes Paul Headon >> Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask whether she has ever been invited to sing before Canada's prime minister? She is a Canadian, after all. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:17:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Politics and religion (NJC) Randy and Clark, Where do you come up with this stuff?? I've seriously never heard anything remotely like this. > Funny, I was just thinking about that this morning. Reagan believed > he was going to be presiding over the apocalypse, which would be > global nuclear war. James Watt was convinced of the same. > Religious fanaticism combined with the awesome powers of > the upper government is a wee bit dangerous. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:32:13 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: John McVie (NJC) Kakki wrote: > I was just kidding around yesterday with regard to people throwing out their > albums because of a musician's political beliefs (although some people do > feel strongly about doing this - I've heard there are some on the Van list > that are ready to denounce him because he is performing for Bush). It don't > matter to me - music is my ultimate "political belief" ;-) I never thought for a second you were seriously suggesting anyone throw away music because of the artist's political beliefs! The exception for me though, is when it spills over into the lyrics, and you get bombarded with "propaganda" (for want of a better word). Interestingly, on the news here last night was an item about MTV and their "hate-crime" project, ie. publishing the names of victims of hate-crimes instead of playing music. They also mentioned Eminem as an example of an artist who's lyrics can be construed as "hateful". I can't say I disagree with that statement. I know people on this list like his album, but the messages he's sending prevent me from ever listening to his music (I actually leave the room if it's played) and I encourage others to boycott it as well. I know we've done this subject to death in the past, but despite protestations of "oh, it's only song lyrics" is DOES have an effect on some people - Richard Ramirez for one (LA's Night-Stalker), who was a big fan of AC/DC's "satanic" lyrics. Hell - opening up that big can of worms again, then going on holiday for 5 days and missing all the retaliation! HA! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:46:42 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: John McVie (NJC) It don't > matter to me - music is my ultimate "political belief" ;-) > > Kakki Amen! "Leave me alone, Don't want your promises no more. Cause rock 'n roll is my religion and my law. Won't ever change, may think it's strange, You can't kill rock 'n roll, it's here to stay" Ozzy Osbourne Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:45:05 -0600 From: evian Subject: mother's day thread Hey Listas, I was poking around on the JMDL site today at work and noticed the "Mother's Day" thread -- can someone refresh my memory as to when this thread occurred? Was it before I joined (sometime in Feb. 98 or something) or was it during one of my "I have too many digests and must delete all 40 of them?" It seems sort of familiar, but reading it now, it's all new to me, and very interesting at that... LOL, if I stumble upon a post of mine in there, I will know I really need to get more sleep.... Also, please tell me that Kilauren wasn't named Kelly Dale... I knew it was Kelly, but Dale?? I have this weird feeling we are having a girl, and the only name we both like is Kelly, and then my brother in law is named Dale, and he's one of my best friends, so I thought "hmmm, Dale would be nice for a middle name" but now that I read that Kilauren was Kelly Dale, that idea goes out the window, because otherwise it just seems too icky and creepy.... sigh...... TGIF, TGIF, TGIF, Evian np: the sounds of what must be boulders, or bowling balls, or at least loose change in the dryer.... Oh God, where's the cat....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 00:50:06 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni's Presidential Performance ? > Wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask whether she has ever been invited to > sing before Canada's prime minister? She is a Canadian, after all. > > Paul I Has Joni ever been asked to sing for Kermit the Frog? She is a muppet isn't she? Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:29:35 -0800 From: "Patrick Willoughby" Subject: ghostly gardens Well, everyone has said it so well, but I may as well put my two cents worth in too. I agree that the "ghostly gardens" in Nathan LaFraneer refer to the urban decay of NYC that Joni, or the character singing in the song, is abandoning in the song. The album, like BSN, and, to some extent, HOSL, is a song cycle..."Out of the city and down to the seaside". The young woman narrating has packed up her life, and is fleeing the artificial garden for the beauty of Sisotowbell Lane. The song has some biblical resonance for me, hands full of silver, dreams betrayed, what have you... At the moment, my copy of the CD, and of LOTC, are being held hostage by my 19 year old nephew. So heartening to pass the music down to the next generation, although eventually I would like them back! Maybe I'll replace them with HDCD copies. Sometimes I wish Joni would authorize a boxed set if just for uniform sound quality. I can't count how many copies I have bought over the years.... Cheers, Patrick Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:15:47 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Stood up at the Fez/Mingus band (vljc) RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/11/01 2:28:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > > << I second Alison's invite. > >> > Oh I wish I could have had more advance notice. I would have loved to have > joined you guys! Nikki who usually joins me in these outings is on her way to > sunny California right now. Hi Rose, I would have loved for you to be there too since I ended up there by myself, in the center booth, best seat in the house, waiting, waiting, drinking a beer, waiting, listening to the music over the sound system. The NYC Joni contingent apparently needs to be contacted at the very last moment to see if plans are still on. Jeez, I didn't know, so I left home today at 4:15 to meet a friend to see a movie (Chocolat again for me, aahhhh!) and after the movie and a chat she went off to her play rehearsal and I went downtown, getting to the Fez a little early, standing in line, paying my hard cold cash, and doing that waiting thing, just hanging out with independent me. No word on my cell phone; no word at the Fez, which would have gotten to me if they'd been called since it's such a small place, and with a "Leader" reservation for 6 it looked like all was ok to me. Two evening messages from concerned Alison were on my home answering machine and I heard them when I got home at midnight; it didn't cross my mind to check my answering machine before going into the Fez. Hmmm. I don't know why everyone cancelled at the last minute and I hope all's ok with everyone; but along with that I've gotta say I've never been treated so rudely. So, live and learn is what I say at such times. The Mingus Big Band, though, was great. I only know Mingus from Joni's album, so had no idea he wrote such quirky stuff, with some intricate passages, lots of humor, and always tough (nothing sentimental). Seemed intellectual rather than emotional. Listening to jazz recordings can make me kinda nuts, but hearing and also seeing the musicians' interaction makes it quite enjoyable. I like how they trade off the spotlight (so to speak) and how they listen so intently to each other's playing. It all seems so personal and intertwined I'm drawn in. So the evening was very pleasant despite my stood-up status. I ended up sharing "my" prized booth with four strangers who spoke a Slavic language (I think), listening to the music and eating hummus for dinner (that stuff is so yummy) and, since the Fez is downstairs, feeling the subway trains (especially the 4 and 5 express trains) when they zip by underneath; it vibrates the seats and gives everyone a fanny massage every few minutes, which is soooo New York I love it. I also spent some of my evening imagining Joni there on stage. That must have been such a wonderful experience for the lucky few that knew about it in time to get in. Her performance there wasn't that long ago, but I think of it as the start of her reemergence and blossoming, and the Fez (in my mind anyway) is a special place because of that. It's also very relaxed and the people that work there are friendly, it's not too expensive (for NYC anyway), and they have all types of performances (saw Susan McKeown, a fantastic Irish singer, last week). The cafe upstairs is middle eastern decor with couches and candles and small tables... very cozy. Anyone that visits NYC, check it out... just don't expect me to be waitin' on ya. Debra Shea NP: Susan McKeown's Bones, "Ce Leis e?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:35:49 +0100 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Volume 13; European orders welcome I could not agree more, Jimmy. Volume 13 really stands out. Any Old Worlder who would like to have a copy of this highlight of Bob's ongoing project, just let me know. I am more than happy to burn you one for blanks and postage (or copies of any of the other volumes). Europeans who missed out on any of last year's CD trees can also contact me. I still have a few copies lying around. John Jimmy (Hi Jim!) wrote: >> Just got my Covers Vol. #13 in the mail today, and have been listening to it all afternoon. Bob, no wonder you were so excited about this one. I think it's the best compilation of all the covers so far, and there's no cheese to be found!!! I already had Shawn Colvin's "River" and Bette Midler's "Twisted" which are wonderful. As for the rest of the CD, all of the songs are great especially since there's no Dave Van Ronk (sorry Bob Murphy :~) ) My other favorites were Chaka Khan's "Man from Mars" and the 3 songs performed by Lydia Van Dam. (Muller, I can see why you'd want to marry Lydia.) Wow, what a voice this lady has. As for David Hay's "Chinese Cafe", I could picture Michael Bolton singing this song now, and I'm NOT a Bolton fan at all. So folks, if you don't have any of the Cover's CD's at least frickin get this one. Thank you so much Bob, and thanks to all of the JMDL contributors. << ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #16 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?