From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #671 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 671 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Late contender for album of the year (VLJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Happy Birthday!! (NJC) ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Xmas GiftsNJC ["Diane Evans" ] Xmas Songs correction NJC [catman ] This novel!NJC [catman ] Merry Christmas ["Vadim Litvin" ] Happy Christmas to All (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Tough Times at Christmas [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Happy Holidays!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] my top for 10 plus 1 for 2000 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) [Penny ] Re: Late contender for album of the year (NJC) [Randy Remote ] RE: december 23!!!!! njc [john low ] Re: Tough Times at Christmas [Michael Paz ] Re: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE:Any new recording activity? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] JMDL TRIVIA QUESTION (NJC) [RAVEN@igc.org] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:29:53 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Late contender for album of the year (VLJC) Bebel Gilberto - Tanto Tempo This is truly beautiful, dreamy stuff from the daughter of Joao Gilberto, a modern take on bossa nova, even a bit trip-hoppy in places. Mmm, nice! Joni content: I finally got to hear Robert Downey's version of River today. The boy can certainly sing, although he didn't sound like I expected - a bit huskier, almost reminiscent, though in a very distant way, of the dreaded Michael B**lton. I prefer James Taylor's version from the tribute gig. At least I don't need to buy the Ally Mcbeal Xmas album now, and put up with all the other stuff (my question remains: Vonda Shepard: why?). On the subject of actors singing, I saw Duets last week, and while it's no masterpiece, it wasn't as bad as I'd been led to expect by the critical kicking meted out to it. And while it seems to be open season on Gwyneth Paltrow here at the moment, for reasons I can't work out, the woman can certainly sing; I think she does a lovely job with Just my Imagination. And Paul Giametti's barnstorming rendition of Hello It's Me was a very enjoyable movie moment this year. That's my lot for now. Season's greetings to one and all, especially those whose sense of kindness and warmth is in need of boosting. May all beings be happy, Azeem in London NP: Bebel Gilberto - Bananeira ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:49:11 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Happy Birthday!! (NJC) Wishing you many happy returns to a joyous day, John and Raffele! Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:51:31 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Xmas GiftsNJC Colin, What a lovely blessing for us! Thank you. A hug in thought, Diane > Dearest Friend, > My wish for you this Christmas is that you find > everything you > want under the tree...and that you find these precious > gifts as > well. > >The gift of Optimism. Some people see hanger behind every opportunity and >catastrophe behind every failure; others see excitement behind every risk >and a chance to grow behind every disappointment. These people are >successful in their work and in their personal lives, and it's their >optimism that makes the difference. > >The gift of Enthusiasm...hard to define, hard to maintain, impossible to >fake for long. Enthusiastic people are the ones who fire us up, energize >us, help us see the positive side in any situation, and remind us that >while temporary setbacks are not a big deal, even small triumphs are. They >look on the bright side, as our grandmothers used to put it. They're >positive, energetic, seldom self-absorbed and almost never gloomy... and >the rest of us feel better just being around them. > >The gift of Laughter. A sense of humor is the single most effective >weapon I know against self-pity, self-absorption and >self-importance. People who can laugh easily and >wholeheartedly...especially at themselves...are blessed indeed. > >The gift of Forgiveness. The resentment we harbor when we judge and >criticize and hold grudges against other people corrodes our spirits, not >theirs, ruins our health, not theirs, wrecks our peace of mind, not >theirs. We must give ourselves the gift of forgiveness as well, because >when we don't forgive ourselves for our mistakes, we allow guilt and >self-loathing to poison our self-respect, self confidence and self-esteem. >I wish for you that from this day forward you will be as forgiving and >understanding of yourself as you are towards those around you. > >The gift of Perspective. Without this gift, most people simply cannot >survive. Perspective is what helps us to set realistic priorities. It >allows us to shrug off the small crises that we encounter at the rate of >about a dozen a day and concentrate instead on what's really important. > >The gift of Wonder. I wish for you that you will never stifle the sense of >wonder that you had as a small child, but instead will foster and nurture >it. It's the childlike quality that allows us to be curious, creative, >trusting and spontaneous. > >The gift of Self-acceptance. Let's stop wasting any of our precious time >and energy second guessing and judging and criticizing the very person we >should trust and support without question...ourselves. Let's start giving >ourselves the benefit of the doubt, instead, start trusting our own >motives and decisions and choices, needs and desires, goals and methods. > >The gift of Self-love. With this gift, you and I will finally know and >believe that there's nothing inherently wrong with us. > >We aren't too smart or too dumb, too skinny or fat, too flighty or too >responsible, too serious or too frivolous, too career minded or too >domestic, too sexy or too frigid, too tall or too short, too dependent or >too independent, too complacent or too ambitious...too anything. We're >just right and while from time to time we may want to change some of the >things we do, there isn't a single thing that we need to change about who >we are. > >May your holiday season be filled with joy and hope, peace and love, sweet >nostalgia and warm memories. And if you already have some of these gifts >that I've wished for you this Christmas, just pass them along > > >This was sent to me and I pass it on here. if only we all had these gifts. >-- >bw >colin > >colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk >http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:59:35 +0000 From: catman Subject: Xmas Songs correction NJC I boobed. the song I called So This Is Xmas by ELP was in fact Happy Xmas(War Is Over) by John and Yoko. That was the song playing in my head and 'so this is Xmas' is a line from that. The one by Greg Lake is 'I Believe In Father Xmas' which I also like. The one by Wizard is 'I Wish It Could Be Xmas Everyday' and the one by Slade is 'Merry Xmas Everybody'. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:01:17 +0000 From: catman Subject: This novel!NJC Surprise!! Surprise!! We have rain for Xmas. How novel. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:13:22 +0200 From: "Vadim Litvin" Subject: Merry Christmas I wish each and everyone of you out there a wonderful and peaceful Christmas and a happy and successful New Year!! God Bless all of you! Vad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:32:16 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) Good Morning Everyone- May you all have a Blessed Christmas and much joy and happiness. May the spirit of Christmas fill you and comfort you. Happy Birthday Jesus! I am off to watch NFC West Champs, the New Orleans Saints. Whoo hoo! I will raise my glass tonight and toast you all and dream of being at Atty Mays on the 31st. Love and Peace, Michael NP-Giant Steps-Pat Metheny Trio Live ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:43:08 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Tough Times at Christmas Hi, I am going thru a major life change in my life. I am trying to cope and need my friends. This list has helped me thru tough times befor and now I need you all more then ever. Joni is helping and I am listening to Lesson in Survival.... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:09:37 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Happy Holidays!! The very happiest of Holidays to my JMDL family. May you all be blessed with peace, joy and harmony throughout the Holidays and the coming year. Much love and many hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:25:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: my top for 10 plus 1 for 2000 Disclaimer: Some may not have been new in 2000 but were new to me and are thus included. Rickie Lee Jones - Live in Portland The Beatles - 1 Melanie - Recorded Live@Borders Jeff Buckley - Mystery White Boy Macy Gray - On How Life Is I Am Shelby Lynne Dar Williams - The Green World Charlie Mingus - Mingus Ah Um Barbra Streisand - Timeless Laura Nyro - Time and Love: The Essential Masters Happy Holidays, JMDL. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:43:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! NJC << (ok, please tell me that Stevie Wonder *is/was* motown after me saying that, because i dont know why i think he is) >> Yes Garrett, Stevie is/was Motown...and out of the songs you mentioned, the only one that grated on *MY* nerves was "I just called..." Yuck! Bob NP: Charles Brown, "A Song For Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:41:36 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: til tuesday njc Evian! AS far as I know Stevie has never recorded this song...of all the Stevie demo CD's that I have (about 50 of them) and are available I have never seen this on any of them! She has however sang Heart's "What About Love" live with them in 1985 or 86 I forget which year. I'll ask my list but I doubt anyone will know anything more. Where'd you read this? Nikki np: Oh Well ~ Fleetwood Mac Tusk Rehersal "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of evian > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:50 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: til tuesday njc > > > Wally, I LOVE "What About Love!" I've heard some Aimee fans say that > 'Til Tuesday is an embarrassment to her, but damn, that was such a good > song... and the first TT album was/is great -- "Love in a Vacuum" and > "Looking over my Shoulder" are irresistible. I read somewhere that > Stevie Nicks recorded a demo of "What About Love", but when I asked some > people from my old FM list about it, they kept thinking I was talking > about Heart's "What About Love" so I just gave up -- Nikki, get on this > one for us ;) > Happy Xmas y'all! > Evian > NP -- Hole still..... Oh God, I must seek treatment for this Courtney > Love obsession... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) >Happy Birthday Jesus! Yes! And the very happiest of holidays to everyone on the JMDL! >I am off to watch NFC West Champs, the New Orleans Saints. Whoo hoo! I think I can speak for fellow Ram fan, Don Rowe, when I say "enjoyed the game much, Michael." ;-) And another bigtime thanks to all our Chicago Bear supporters on the list - Jody?, Vince?, Laura?, John? WHOO Phew Penny Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:43:03 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Late contender for album of the year (NJC) I agree this is a very nice album. Best wishes to all. RR AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > Bebel Gilberto - Tanto Tempo > > This is truly beautiful, dreamy stuff from the daughter of Joao Gilberto, a > modern take on bossa nova, even a bit trip-hoppy in places. Mmm, nice! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:04:49 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Hands alike, magnet and iron... the souls..... Dear Loving Friends, Walter, and I also, feel that he did his family an injustice by leaving suddenly the way he did. So he has moved out Monday to try to get it right in his heart. The only thing I can do at this point is to let him go and allow him to mend his heart and do it the right way. We love each other very much but we will never have the relationship we dreamed of having done things the way we did. We are soulmates, but in order to right the wrong, Walter is extending an invitation to his family to be healthy if that is possible and if it isn't it can always be said that we came down on the side of right. I will miss him terribly!!! Catgirl NP- A Case Of You ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 02:01:43 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC This is a response to a private mail. So why post it here? I know some of you will cringe with embarassment, others will see it as further proof of my badness and sit back in smug judgement, others will see it as the ramblings of a fool, some will use it against me, still others will scratch their heads in bewilderment, and probably most will not even read it. BUT one or two will will be helped along their by these words. That is the only repsonse that interests me: it is late here and I have read your mail twice and still don't know how to respond. I am sure though that the changes within you have happened because of you and not because of me. It is, by the way, almost 20 years now for John and I. Such a long time yet it seems such a short time too. Some times have been very difficult. Sometimes I see a really horny looking bloke and I want the freedom to go shag to my hearts content. Trouble is I know I won't find contentment that way! Besides, the love and acceptance I have is just all there is to want and I have it. We fit really well. Did I ever tell you that we have been together since the first minute we met? I was about the bar and I looked up and John was standing in the doorway, just enetering. Our eyes met and he came over and bought me a drink. I went home with him and that was that. July 7th 1981. I know without him to show me what love and acceptance was, to have given me the room and leeway to find myself, to love myself, to grieve, I would not be alive today. Or if I was alive, I'd be insane and in just as much pain as I was back then. Quite how he has managed to cope with me I don't know. i have been very mean to him. All that rage at the people who abused me was let loose on him. I didn't even know that was what i was doing. God has had to intervene too because there have been times John was nearly very seriously hurt. John said the reason he coped and didn't hold it against me was because he knew I didn't hate him and didn't want to hurt him. He knew I was lashing out at others. I can't imagine being able to love like that. I know I couldn't have coped with me. I was just barely able to live in me as it was. I have been very lucky in my life. i have no idea why. I know people with my background who have died, are locked up in prison or mental hospitals, are on the streets. I know when I see those mad people on the streets that i am looking at myself if I hadn't had the luck I had. Some people say it was God who kept me going and gave me the life I have now. I don't accept that. Not because I think I don't deserve it or that God doesn't love me but because I don't accept He didn't love those that didn't get what i have, or that they didn't deserve it. I have no explanation for why I have been so loved. I have done some terrible things in my life, and regardless of my past, in which lie the roots of all that, those things I did were still wrong. The hardest thing to accept was that I have the capability of harming as much as I was harmed. However, with that acceptance comes the ability not to do such harm. Some things will never change. I still have nightmares. Still see the images of childhood terror when i am making love. not always but enough to prevent forgetting. Although the desire to forget is unrealistic for without the remebering, I wouldn't be me. Without remembering, I wouldn't be able to suppport when called upon. I recall being asked at school what i wanted to be when i grew up. My reply was 'someone else'. If I was asked the same question now, my answer would be 'myself'. I know you think i am not so angry now. Wish that were true! have just finally understood what 'do not cast your pearls before swine' means! There is nothing I can do about closed minds. There is nothing I can do about the evil of child abuse. I have given up the idea that i can stop it! How arrogant to even think i could. However, I know there is much I can do by sharing with others my own experience and being there with an open mind and heart when others share with me. Fear does terrible things to people. It is somthing we are all aquainted with tho we do not all accept that. Fear is the root of all our suffering and pain. We cannot love those we fear. We cannot fear those we love. It is fear that drives us to attack. That closes our minds. The Bible speaks of an unforgivable sin, the sin against the Holy Spirit. i was taught, by those whose root was in fear, that this sin was to reject the truth of the Bible.(when really they were sayin that the sin was to reject their judgement as being Truth but that is another issue!). I have come to think of the unforgivaeable sin as being the closed kind. If we decide that we know the Truth and are not wrong, then we close our minds and therefore we close our selves to any action by the Holy Spirit. A closed mind cannot be put right. I am sure you have come across people who are suffering but reject all attempts to help them. Thye have close dtheir minds to the possibility of being helped OR want to be helped in the way they want. when we are ready to be helped, without attaching condsitons on our acceptance of that help, we will be released. Because then our minds will open and our hearts will be set free. I know this is more than anticipated in the way of an answer. But you know me. once I get on a roll it is difficult to shut me up! love always colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:12 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: december 23!!!!! njc Hi jmdlers, Well, it takes the amazing jmdl birthday wizard to draw me out of my lurkdom! There are some really great and friendly people on this list and Wally K. is certainly one of them. Its a time consuming responsibility he has taken on and, while I know he enjoys it, I hope he realises how much pleasure his beautiful, personalized little birthday greetings bring to those who receive them. Thanks heaps, Wally, your one of the best! I had a beaut birthday, though when you get to my age you start to wish they wouldnt come around so quickly. Nevertheless, I always seem to enjoy them. So, thanks to all my jmdl friends who sent me birthday wishes. They were an important part of my day and I appreciated them enormously. I must just say to the SC Joni Guy that I never realised that I had played a part (even an indirect one) in what has turned out to be such a major jmdl project. Bob, that was a great birthday surprise! Do others single out favourite songs to listen to on special occasions like birthdays? I do and the Joni song I chose to listen to and reflect upon this birthday was "Chinese Cafi"  one of my favourite post-1980 songs, the sentiments of which become more meaningful as the years roll by. And, as often happens, her beautiful, sad lines: "We look like our mothers did now/ Nothing lasts for long" remind me of another favourite song to which I listen often, the Deads "Franklins Tower": "In another times forgotten space / your eyes looked through your mothers face". Sad and beautiful, indeed, but also strangely joyful. Plenty to reflect upon as another year of my life begins! And, because its hard to tell when Ill be at my computer over the next few days: To my friend and brother WallyK  I want to get in early and return your greetings by wishing you a big HAPPY BIRTHDAY for the 27th!!! Though not as beautifully expressed as yours, Wally, the greetings are sincere. I hope you have a wonderful day. Turning 40 is not so bad - believe me you are still a youngster! And, anyway, its whats on the inside that really counts. I hope you all have a peaceful and meaningful Christmas. And, Raffaelle, I hope you had a great birthday too! Cheers from a hot Australia, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:39:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Tough Times at Christmas on 12/24/00 8:43 AM, CaTGirl627@aol.com at CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I am going thru a major life change in my life. I am trying to cope and need > my friends. This list has helped me thru tough times befor and now I need > you all more then ever. > Joni is helping and I am listening to Lesson in Survival.... > Catgirl > Oh oh sounds like trouble. Have no fear girl, your old pals are still here with plenty of mini-fests in the planning. Let me know if there is anything I can do. I hear there is a New Years Party at Atty Mays with a certain jmdler headlining the stage. That would make you feel alot better. Have a very Blessed Christmas and it is good to see you back around the list. Love Paz NP-Let It Snow-Digital Radio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:41:00 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) on 12/24/00 1:20 PM, Penny at zapuppy@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Happy Birthday Jesus! > > Yes! And the very happiest of holidays to everyone on the JMDL! > >> I am off to watch NFC West Champs, the New Orleans Saints. Whoo hoo! > > I think I can speak for fellow Ram fan, Don Rowe, when I say "enjoyed the > game much, Michael." ;-) And another bigtime thanks to all our Chicago > Bear supporters on the list - Jody?, Vince?, Laura?, John? > > WHOO Phew > Penny ARGH! Rams! Oh well we are still NFC West Champs. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:07:27 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE:Any new recording activity? Hello Bryan, No, as far as Joni's official/unofficial web site (www.jonimitchell.com) has it, I haven't heard of a return to the studio. As I recall though, we didn't hear about the original BSN session in England until it was already done. (Is that right, anyone?) As in, "BTW, there's new stuff in the can." Has she recorded everything that Mendoza arranged for her, (incl the Hejira, Judgement of the Moon and Stars) or just the BSN stuff? > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 17:39:44 EST > From: BRYAN8847@aol.com > Subject: Any new recording activity? > > Speaking of upcoming/possible Joni releases, does anyone know if she went > back in the studio with Mendoza to make the record she mentioned > during the > BSN tour (older Mitchell compositions re-recorded with > orchestra)? Sorry if > this has been discussed recently; I don't get the chance to read every > message this group produces. > Bryan > > ------------------------------ All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:43:02 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Happy Christmas to All (NJC) > > I think I can speak for fellow Ram fan, Don Rowe, when I say "enjoyed the > > game much, Michael." ;-) And another bigtime thanks to all our Chicago > > Bear supporters on the list - Jody?, Vince?, Laura?, John? > > > > WHOO Phew > > Penny > Go Buccaneers!!! I watched the whole game last Monday night against the Rams and it was truly the best football game I have ever seen. Who knows...we may end up meeting those Rams again.:>) Any other Bucs fans out there? Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson > on 12/24/00 1:20 PM, Penny at zapuppy@yahoo.com wrote: > > > ARGH! Rams! Oh well we are still NFC West Champs. > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:11:53 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Little Stevie/Joni Connection How Remote is it that in 66 or so that Joni left her gig at the chessmate and cruised across town in her rusted chariot with her king to catch Little Stevie to preform at the Apollo. Well any way Stevie Wonder did do back up harmonica with JM on Herbie Hancocks version of Summertime. I am Anxiously awaiting the moment i can slip this JM tribute cd in my system. The Quality without a name The search which we make for this quality, in our own lives,is the central search of any person, the crux of any individual person's story. It is the search for those moments and situations when we are most alive. Christopher Alexander "The Timeless Way of Building" JMDL TRIVIA QUESTION Wasn't The first time i ever did saw your face Written by Ewan Mac Coll The first time i heard this seductive song was on a Gordon Lightfoot album i think it was the one with a picture of him leaning back in a directors chair with a hole in his boots showing. I think a most prolific and interesting JMDL listing for 2000 should go to WALLY K kbennet and DfLahm should get VIPJMDL awards love to all jmdlpersons brian NP Murray Perahia Goldberg Variations BACH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:28:15 -0800 From: RAVEN@igc.org Subject: JMDL TRIVIA QUESTION (NJC) At 21:11 12/24/2000, in a post entitled "Little Stevie/Joni Connection", BRIAN SYMES asked: >JMDL TRIVIA QUESTION >Wasn't The first time i ever did saw your face Written by Ewan Mac Coll Absolutely correct! He wrote it to Peggy Seeger. I saw it published in Sing Out magazine (late 61/early 62?), and added it to my repertoire (when I was doing open mics in Greenwich Village). - -- RAVEN ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #671 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?