From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #658 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 658 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- letterman [evian ] Re: The new babe on the edge / NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: : Today in Joni History - December 16 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] This Just In! NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: NJC Julia ? Julee ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Dumb de dumb dumb ["william" ] Re: NJC Banks ["Garret" ] Re: Best of 2000 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Press Release re Richard Thompson cd NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] TIME for Joni! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Best of 2000 NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: Letterman tonight [Murphycopy@aol.com] 2000 Top 10 ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Letterman tonight [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Julia Fordham/Kyle Eastwood [jp ] Re: NJC Banks [catman ] Re: Best of 2000 NJC [catman ] Re: Letterman tonight [catman ] Mini joni-fest sjc? ["Russell Bowden" ] Sheriff Shot (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Best of 2000 NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC ["kerry" ] Court's in session... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Court's in session... [catman ] Re: Court's in session... [catman ] Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC [catman ] RE: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC [catman ] [none] ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] Re: Court's in session...NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] SJMC, a sensitive subject/ more river ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Happy Birthday, (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] RE: december 16 at last!!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Press Release re Richard Thompson cd NJC [dsk ] Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 01:58:32 -0600 From: evian Subject: letterman LOL, on Letterman tonight, his favorite Joni Mitchell album was "Blood and Peanut Butter" or vice versa. LOL, he cracks me up. TGIF, Evian np: Ten City -- "that's the way love is" (12" mix) anyone else remember this damn song?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:38:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The new babe on the edge / NJC BRIAN SYMES said, "Victoria Williams gots that nanci g west texas thing" I saw her this past summer at a local festival! I thought she was a 'local' artist. She has this Bernadette Peters thing happening vocally. They were having sound problems and so, she was delayed going on. I was about 8 feet from the backstage area (the side of an historic home.) I overheard her talking the whole time and I remember thinking, "Wow, what a great voice. Her voice almost sounds like it breaking all the time. And what an infectious laugh!" Then the lead guitarist (or was it fiddle?) player walks up to her and goes, "C'mon Vick! There's people waiting out here! (sic)" She appears to be completely unaware that she's onstage, talking to others in mid-song, coming in on the second syllable, trying to change the set list (ON mic) between songs, etc. I don't think it's because of drugs- I think she's just a nut! A talent fer shure. Rilly. Totally. Fun to listen to and a very charismatic stage presence. Just don't let her drive the bus. Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:55:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: : Today in Joni History - December 16 Les, Thanks for posting a link to the New York Times review of DJRD (Don Juan's Reckless Daughter) by John Rockwell. Mister Rockwell "gets it". Here's a excerpt from his last sentence, "... she has found a way to make serious musical art and propagate it through the often maligned "music business." Aside: If anyone missed this article, it's available at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/771216nyt.cfm Lama, Self- appointed Chairman of JMDL's Cincinnati branch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:57:37 +0700 From: "william" Subject: As molten gathers like bolts of ash Good to see you back Les from London and the cyber inkings eloquent. I'm almost there in Alness when you write. Hejira is an album for this time of year. Fuzzy Chants the Blues. Molten and ash? The neighbourhood volcano has decided to blow. As molten gathers like bolts of ash. Drats, I was hoping to get away from the place where the stars pay a light bill to the Michael from mountains for my sweet tumbleweed, where I need more quiet times. Alas, Bali will have to do. Wish me luck with an audition with a local band who want a foreigner. They want new blood in their music. They do an unplugged version of Wait in Vain that would knock your socks off . One of my faves. I'm all a-go-go at the prospect of Joni a la Willy. Hey if I don't scribe before the Yule, have a great one y'all. Yule have a it's-coming-on-Christmas good one he says convolutedly. NP ~ of all old chessssssnuts James Taylor Riding on a Railroad. Willy the Shake "Singing someone else's song" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:32:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: This Just In! NJC I don't generally forward these things...blah, blah, blah... ;-) - -Julius > BREAKING NEWS: GOD OVERRULES SUPREME COURT VERDICT; BUSH TO BE SMITTEN LATER TODAY > > > In a stunning development this morning, God invoked the "one > nation, under God" clause of the Pledge of Allegiance to overrule > the Supreme Court decision that handed the White House to > George Bush. > > "I'm not sure where the Supreme Court gets off," God said this > morning on a rare Today Show appearance, "but I'm sure as hell not > going to lie back and let Bush get away with this nonsense." "I've > watched analysts argue for weeks now that the exact vote count in > Florida 'will never be known.' Well, I'm God and I DO know exactly > who voted for whom. Let's cut to the chase: Gore won Florida by > exactly 20,219 votes." > > Shocking political analysts and pundits, God's unexpected verdict > overrules the official Electoral College tally and awards Florida > to Al Gore, giving him a 289-246 victory. The Bush campaign is > analyzing God's Word for possible grounds for appeal. > > "God's ruling is a classic over-reach," argued Bush campaign > strategist Jim Baker. "Clearly, a divine intervention in a U.S. > Presidential Election is unprecedented, unjust, and goes against > the constitution of the state of Florida." > > "Jim Baker's a jackass," God responded. "He's got some surprises > ahead of him, let me tell you. HOT ones, if you know what I mean." > > God, who provided the exact vote counts for every Florida precinct, > explained that bad balloting machinery and voter confusion were no > grounds to give the White House to "a friggin' idiot." > > "Look, only 612 people in Palm Beach County voted for Buchanan. Get > real! The rest meant to vote for Gore. Don't believe me? I'll name > them: Anderson, Pete; Anderson, Sam, Jr.; Arthur, James; > Barnhardt, Ron..." > > Our Lord then went on to note that he was displeased with George W. > Bush's prideful ways and announced that he would officially smite > him today. In an act of wrath unlike any reported since the Book > of Job, God has taken all of Bush's goats and livestock, stripped > him of his wealth and possessions, sold his family into slavery, > forced the former presidential candidate into hard > labor in a salt mine, and afflicted him with deep boils. > > Dick Cheney will reportedly receive leprosy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:49:41 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Julia ? Julee oh but you're SO right!!!! my apologies, especially to stephen epstein, whom i so wickedly misled! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de MP123A321@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 15 de Diciembre de 2000 09:44 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: NJC Julia ? Julee Wally K., I am/was a big "Twin Peaks" fan, I think you are mistaking Julia Fordham for Julee Cruise, the later sang "Rockin' Back Inside My Heart" included in the TV show, even with an appearance. As I look at this Maxi Single, the close up of Julee shows some resemblance to Julia. ......Maurice << Subject: RE: Julia Fordham/Kyle Eastwood stephen the nose-delicious, do you remember twin peaks? julia fordham sang the theme. of course, she did more than just that in her life but the twin peaks theme was very popular and i thought it might jog your memory.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:27:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria (NJC) marian!!!!! so great to hear from you! i was really getting worried about you... and i so want a vg8 too! jmdlers: e-mail me privately to make your donations, thanks. wallyK, poor as a church mouse this summer -----Mensaje original----- De: Marian [mailto:marian@jmdl.com] Enviado el: Sabado, 16 de Diciembre de 2000 04:58 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org; starflowerchild@hotmail.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar CC: michaelpaz@telocity.com; michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net Asunto: Re: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria (NJC) wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > where the hell is marian by the way?????????!!!!!!!!! > wallyK, concerned I have gotten very behind with JMDL over the last month or so. I got suddenly very busy at work after I made a few posts and then got behind in reading the digests - there are still at least 20 from more than a month ago that I haven't read. I hope I'll have time to go back and read them before the new year. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:07:42 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria well, to be honest i really enjoyed Schlifni's post and thought it was a very well thought out voicing of ones opinion. fair play Schlifni....let's hear more from you GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:51:20 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Dumb de dumb dumb +ACI-Would that it were true, if ....+ACI- The dumbest language I've(Paul) read in a long time. Ho+ACE- Ho+ACE- Ho+ACE- Willy the Shake I met a friend of spirit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:32:25 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: NJC Banks I have to say, what a conincidence just this week i had an arguement of sorts with my boss. i had told him quite a while back that i was planning a trip to Rome. seemingly he forgot to take a record of this. he was speaking with Christiana the other day. she's heading to Spain for three weeks over teh christmas/new year period, and he said to her "it's ok, Garret has no college during that time, so he can work your hours". it didnt even click with me until i went home. i told all this to a man i work with and he told me to remind the boss and ensure that he writes it down. well, i swear, when you actually want to speak to teh man he is impossible to find. it took me two hours to find him, and tehn it was only because i saw an old woman falling down teh stairs (this was a really frighteneing experience. i dont often panic, but i just didnt know what to do....she was unconcious and crying). eventually, i got the chance to say it to him, and he was *not* pleased. who's goign to work your hours while you stroll around ROme?? and make sure you send us a postcard!! among other things! as usual i just took it, and did my quiet little thing. but afterwards, as i thought about it, i realized that this reaction of his really aggravated me (is that the right word Catherine:-). well, the next day he had a few mroe comments to make. it really takes a lot ot annoy me, if i do say so myself, but once i cross that line i have to get it out. now, iwasnt screaming and shouting; i was, as ever, calm and reserved. so i told him that i'm young and have every right to have fun. i told him that at 19 (yes, i still have one more day of teenage-ism) i don't have any huge amount of responsibility. i informed him that i wasn't working for him out of some misplaced sense of loyalty or sense of pride in his hotel. while i do have these feelings as regards teh job, they don't dictate my life. at nineteen eyars of age i have just teh right amounts of immaturity, irresponsibility, and pretentiousness to feell this way. i'll go to Rome (ok, so at this point it's Amsterdam) and i'll come back and i wont regret it. i told my boss that if has a problem with me or my attitude i could easily get a job elsewhere. a job, particularly a part-time-putting-me-through-college type of job, is about getting paid. i've worked in that hotel for almost three years and it has taken me a long time to realize this. i'm not usually that brave! and i didnt really fear saying the wrong thing. i dont know why, i suppose being young gives you the right to make mistakes. perhaps this is just a self fulfilling prophecy or something like that. GARRET NP, Joni, Same Situation - ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine McKay > > --- catman wrote: > > > > I wouldn't be young again for anything. It is > > overated. > > Speak for yourself (and you surely did!) I would! and > I wouldn't make the same mistakes (yeah, right.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:07:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of 2000 NJC << I don't know if I actually bought 10 *new* releases all year. I don't know if that just means I'm way behind the times or if it's just plain pathetic. >> Mark, I'll certainly not address the latter statement (;~D), but I will say that it is difficult and time-consuming to chase down good new music. Here in SC it's damn near impossible to hear any good new tunes on the radio, although thanks to the NPR station I DID pick up on Ani! So what do I do? Well, I read a lot of reviews, I listen to what my Joni-pals are saying, and sometimes I flat out take a chance when I walk into the record store. I do feel a sense of obligation to pursue new music. Most from my generation do not, and that's why artists like Joni become forgotten commodities. From what I see, the majority of boomers are just re-stocking their collections with 20 & 30 year old music. Waiting for the Eagles boxset or something. But the good news is, even people of our generation can buy "new" music from old favorites! Joni, Patti Smith, Neil Young, Joe Jackson (the live in NY one, not the putrid "Night & Day II) and many more all had releases out this year. And the even better news is that each year there are debuts by artists who will have their kind of staying power. Perhaps the most difficult thing is to let go of the belief that the music of "our generation" was the best ever and can never be duplicated. I think every generation falls into this trap. Matter of fact, I read in the paper this morning that the burgeoning radio format is a "retro-80's" format, now that the folks who grew up with Madonna & Boy George and Wham are at the age where they want to recapture those years. Don't fall into the trap, Evian!! You have a responsibility to your unborn child to keep moving forward! :~) Bob, who remember when his GRANDMOTHER said that The Beatles "Because" was the prettiest song she ever heard! NP: Radiohead, "Lucky", live 9/16/00 (A million thank-you's for this one to my bestest pal!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:12:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Press Release re Richard Thompson cd NJC << Thompson has been cited as an influence by many of today's top artists >> Thanks for the heads-up on this one, Debra, but now I've gotta wait til the end of March??!! You're killing me! :~) And speaking of Thompson and other artists, The "Beat The Retreat" tribute from a couple of years ago is one of the most cohesive and inspired Tributes I've ever heard. A wonderful marriage of artist and song. Since I had a hard time warming to Thompson's voice, to hear his songs presented by voices more palatable to me was pure joy. Bob NP: Radiohead, "Dollars & Cents" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:24:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: TIME for Joni! I went to JM.com and confirmed that it was indeed the 12/16/74 issue of Time that featured her on the cover. It was a drawing as opposed to a photo, but still is pretty cool! For anyone who wants to have a gander, it's in the bio section "Fametime"... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:02:36 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Best of 2000 NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Mark, I'll certainly not address the latter statement (;~D), but I > will say that it is difficult and time-consuming to chase down good > new music. Here in SC it's damn near impossible to hear any good new > tunes on the radio, although thanks to the NPR station I DID pick up > on Ani! For me, 2000 marked the year when I became truly dislocated from mainstream UK chart music. The good stuff is still around, but can't usually be found by listening to national radio stations or watching terrestrial music TV. The chasm between what's relentlessly promoted as being popular, and what I consider quality pop, has grown almost too wide to satisfyingly come to terms with. > So what do I do? Well, I read a lot of reviews, I listen to what my > Joni-pals are saying, and sometimes I flat out take a chance when I > walk into the record store. I do feel a sense of obligation to pursue > new music. Same here, Bob. I think all music sluts behave and feel this way :-) Keeping up with new stuff really is time-consuming, as I constantly discover. The means by which I come across it now focuses heavily on the Internet. Word-of-mouth, recommendations from fellow listers on the various e-mail groups I belong to, and internet stores like amazon.co.uk who stock a lot of US releases. Some of the albums I've discovered via these routes include Goldfrapp, David Gray (pre-breakthrough), Dido, Dusted, Lene Marlin (before she had a hit single), the Magnolia soundtrack, and Delerium. These are what I mainly listen to nowadays, in place of the same-old-same-old conveyorbelt pop. > Most from my generation do not, and that's why artists like > Joni become forgotten commodities. From what I see, the majority of > boomers are just re-stocking their collections with 20 & 30 year old > music. Waiting for the Eagles boxset or something. I went through that phase of replacing my favourite classic music with CD copies, and simultaneously inverstigating some of the greats who were around bfeore I really got into music as a teenager. Now, I'm more or less done with that....all the 60s, 70s and 80s music I want is in my collection. > But the good news is, even people of our generation can buy "new" > music from old favorites! Joni, Patti Smith, Neil Young, Joe Jackson > (the live in NY one, not the putrid "Night & Day II) and many more all > had releases out this year. Indeed. Personally, BSN just wasn't for me but Don Henley certainly came up trumps with Inside Job. I also just got Randy Newman's Bad Love from amazon, an album which I somehow overlooked last year (probably because most UK stores don't stock much Randy Newman). I'm looking forward to playing that one. > And the even better news is that each year there are debuts by artists > who will have their kind of staying power. Hear hear! Always tricky to tell exactly which new acts are gonna stick around, but we've had some good-to-great debuts this year from Dido, Toploader, Kelis, Coldplay, Goldfrapp, Badly Drawn Boy and Jill Scott. > Perhaps the most difficult thing is to let go of the belief that the > music of "our generation" was the best ever and can never be > duplicated. I think every generation falls into this trap. Matter of > fact, I read in the paper this morning that the burgeoning radio > format is a "retro-80's" format, now that the folks who grew up with > Madonna & Boy George and Wham are at the age where they want to > recapture those years. I agree. I've also been making some 80s compilations recently, and what strikes me is not that the music itself was better then, but that more good stuff actually made the Top 40 charts compared to now. The nature of mainstream songwriting appears to have altered as well. The sounds of the 80s had a very distinctive formula, a neatly-structured song format that barely exists today. A succession of left-field, inventive and challenging artists have moved the goalposts...sometimes for the better, sometimes not. I love my 80s music, and some of the 90s stuff wasn't so bad, but there's nothing like hearing a brand new track that really excites and gives you a buzz which only something fresh and unheard can. If anyone is interested, there is a chance to vote for my website's music awards for the year 2000. Details can be found on the "What's New" section, or else you can simply e-mail me off-list and request a voting form. A one-of-a-kind CD compilation is also up for grabs, to the person who most closely mirrors the site owner's choices :-) Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:51:16 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Letterman tonight In a message dated 12/16/00 12:11:09 AM, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << Dave said, "Blood and peanut butter, my favorite Joni Mitchell album." It makes no sense - the humor is in the absurdity and the droll way Letterman drops in the non sequitur (spelling?)... but that is his second Joni reference in recent time and it certainly tells us that Dave has Joni on his mind; he must be a fan! >> Hi, Vince: I posted to the list a few weeks ago when Letterman said, "Liver in a blender, isn't that an old Joni Mitchell song?" But last night's "blood and peanut butter" reference to Joni was at least his THIRD recently. About a week or ten days ago, I had his show on while I was puttering around and I heard him say something else about a Joni song or album followed by audience laughter, but I didn't catch what he said. I thought someone else on the JMDL might have heard it, but it was never posted to the list. In any case, I think Letterman has been funnier than ever lately. And with regard to him having "Joni on his mind," if you caught Joni's last appearance on the show -- it's on the video tree tapes -- he seems to treat her with a kind of awe and reverence he rarely shows his guests, IMO. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:49:22 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: 2000 Top 10 Here it goes: 1. Rickie Lee Jones - "It's Like This" 2. Cocteau Twins "Stars And Topsoil" (compilation) 3. XTC - "Wasp Star" 4. Joan Osbourne "Righteous Love" 5. Erykah Badu - "Mama's Gun" (Lovin' it!) 6. Kirsty Maccoll - "Tropical Brainstorm" 7. Lazy Dog - Deep House Music spun by Ben Watt & Jay Hannan 8. Steely Dan - "Two Against Nature" 9. Paul Simon - "You're The One" 10.Barbara Kessler - Self Titled - -Chris NP:"Wall Of Death" - Shawn Colvin & Lucy Kaplansky, Live In Philly, 1990. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:18:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Letterman tonight << But last night's "blood and peanut butter" reference to Joni was at least his THIRD recently. >> Do you think he's picking up on Joni's themes of duality here? Blood & Peanut Butter probably falls into the "Court & Spark" category as opposed to the "Shadows & Light" category...that is, they are not opposites, but rather 2 words that seemingly don't have any relationship normally but are brought together because of a specific circumstance. Hope that makes a little sense...*I* know what I mean, anyway! :~) Bob NP: May Chapin-Carpenter, "Come On, Come On" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:52:23 +0200 From: jp Subject: RE: Julia Fordham/Kyle Eastwood > stephen the nose-delicious, > do you remember twin peaks? julia fordham sang the theme. of course, she did > more than just that in her life but the twin peaks theme was very popular > and i thought it might jog your memory. > wallyK, np: laura nyro, walk the dog oh no - she certainly did not. that was julee cruise. ms. fordham is one of my favourites. good introduction would be "the collection" from 1998 on virgin. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:48:51 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Banks Garret-good for you! It takes a lot of guts to be honest like you were. People twice/thrice your age would have difficulty with doing what you did. Enjoy your trip, wherever you decide to go. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:50:39 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Best of 2000 NJC I bought 2 new relases: Carly Simon-The Bedroom Tapes Dar Williams- The Green World almost bought Ricky Martin (i like latin type stuff and have none) and toying with getting the new Enya ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:57:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Letterman tonight SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << But last night's "blood and > peanut butter" reference to Joni was at least his THIRD recently. >> > > Do you think he's picking up on Joni's themes of duality here? Blood & Peanut > Butter probably falls into the "Court & Spark" I have always assumed that c&s was so called because of the 'spark' there is in 'courting'. I didn't think of these words as being unrelated- at least not to me. like sex/food. cold/cosy. hot/fat.loud/scared.puppy/shit.alchohol/violence. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:04:11 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Mini joni-fest sjc? Gang, Due to an underwhelming response, the proposed mini-JONI-fest will NOT be happening in San Francisco next month. I do have access to a great facility, though, and future possible date suggestions are welcome. Perhaps the timing was a little off for this one, coming so closely after the holidays. Love, Russ np: Lookin' for a party, lookin' to raise Gee-zuss up from the dead. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:11:46 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Sheriff Shot (NJC) I just found out the sheriff elect for Atlanta was gunned down in front of his home the other night. He was to be sworn in Monday morning. It's happenings like this that make me really wonder what goes on in the minds of these killers, how they can so thoughtlessly take the life of another human being. Which ventures dangerously close to the age-old question of whether people are basically good or evil to which there could be an endless debate. But it makes me wonder... Frank Zappa had it right I think: "Questions, questions, questions, flooding into the mind of the concerned young person today. Ah, but it's a great time to be alive, Ladies and Gentleman, and that's the theme of our program for tonight. It's so fucking great to be alive is what the theme of our show is tonight, boys and girls. And I want to tell you, if there's anybody here who doesn't believe that it is fucking great to be alive, I wish they would go now cause this show will bring them down so much." Frank Zappa, Just Another Band... Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 NJC Mark in Seattle wrote: > I don't know if I actually bought 10 *new* releases > all year. I don't know if that just means I'm way > behind the times or if it's just plain pathetic. Same here. I've noticed that the older I become, the less new music I buy. Rather, I buy CD versions of old, well-loved albums. Although I must have bought some CDs in 2000, I can't recall what they were ... I did receive at least 4 CDs as gifts this year, and 3 of them represent my entire "Best of 2000" list: 1) BSN* 2) Red Dirt Girl 3) It's Like This** > I will say that 'Red Dirt Girl' is currently getting > a lot of play in my car tape deck. Emmylou is > really at the top of her game right now. I agree! In fact, it's "Red Dirt Girl" that has actually turned me on to Emmylou after all these years! (Do I ever have a lot of catching up to do!) *JP (just played on my Sonicnet station -- coincidence or synchronicity?): Stormy Weather from BSN **NP: "Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys" by Steve Winwood, from the album Finer Things (just to remind me that Steve does it as well as Rickie Lee) ===== Lori in DC http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=lrfye http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=jmdlnet http://www.art101.com/flame/taxfree.htm (not my own, but very cool) Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:03:17 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC Lori wrote: >>More confusion: if you're from the U.S. state of Wisconsin you might pronounce "sorry" to rhyme with "gory," as a friend of mine from Ripon, WI, does.>> Huh??? I was trying to keep up with this, but now I'm stumped. Here in WisCONsin, Lori, gory, glory and sorry all rhyme! I guess words have to be written phonetically, rather than compared to a rhyming word. Isn't the British lorry pronunciation more like "LAH-ry?" That's how Cat Stevens says it in one of his songs. Still confused, Kerry NP - Neil Young "Sail Away" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:53:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Court's in session... << I have always assumed that c&s was so called because of the 'spark' there is in 'courting'. I didn't think of these words as being unrelated- at least not to me. >> True, Colin...I guess what I was trying to explain was that you while the words DO relate, especially in terms of the song, one wouldn't typically pair those words; they're not generally considered synonyms or antonyms, and certainly would not be closely associated like "shadows" & "light". Also both "court" & "spark" could have a HOST of definitions; they can both be nouns/verbs etc. Do you think that "court" and "spark" mean the same thing in terms of how Joni employs them in the song? Bob PS: I'm certainly glad she chose Court & Spark as the title as opposed to "Puppy & Shit" ! :~D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:17:52 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Court's in session... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << I have always assumed that c&s was so called because of the 'spark' there > is in > 'courting'. I didn't think of these words as being unrelated- at least not > to me. >> > > True, Colin...I guess what I was trying to explain was that you while the > words DO relate, especially in terms of the song, one wouldn't typically pair > those words; they're not generally considered synonyms or antonyms, and > certainly would not be closely associated like "shadows" & "light". yes=I get what you mean and of course you are right. Just that sometimes when I read things my mind just goes off on it's own! > > > Also both "court" & "spark" could have a HOST of definitions; they can both > be nouns/verbs etc. > > Do you think that "court" and "spark" mean the same thing in terms of how > Joni employs them in the song? I don't know. I'd have to listen to the song again. > > > Bob > > PS: I'm certainly glad she chose Court & Spark as the title as opposed to > "Puppy & Shit" ! :~D Oh, i don't know-repeat it several times to yourslef-it has a certain ring... have you ever noticed that when you repeat a word a few times it become silly sounding? Isn't it weird how we just make sounds, which we call words, and those sounds can engender deep feelings, both negative and positive? When you read a novel do the characters each have their own voice or is eveything in your own voice? has it ever occurred to you that people somewhere might be in a cinema and watching YOU on a screen? Your life? Or that all this is just a dream? That none of this is real as we would define that word? Or that we are just somone(something) elses thought? no I haven't been smoking..... - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:17:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Court's in session... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << I have always assumed that c&s was so called because of the 'spark' there > is in > 'courting'. I didn't think of these words as being unrelated- at least not > to me. >> > > True, Colin...I guess what I was trying to explain was that you while the > words DO relate, especially in terms of the song, one wouldn't typically pair > those words; they're not generally considered synonyms or antonyms, and > certainly would not be closely associated like "shadows" & "light". yes=I get what you mean and of course you are right. Just that sometimes when I read things my mind just goes off on it's own! > > > Also both "court" & "spark" could have a HOST of definitions; they can both > be nouns/verbs etc. > > Do you think that "court" and "spark" mean the same thing in terms of how > Joni employs them in the song? I don't know. I'd have to listen to the song again. > > > Bob > > PS: I'm certainly glad she chose Court & Spark as the title as opposed to > "Puppy & Shit" ! :~D Oh, i don't know-repeat it several times to yourslef-it has a certain ring... have you ever noticed that when you repeat a word a few times it become silly sounding? Isn't it weird how we just make sounds, which we call words, and those sounds can engender deep feelings, both negative and positive? When you read a novel do the characters each have their own voice or is eveything in your own voice? has it ever occurred to you that people somewhere might be in a cinema and watching YOU on a screen? Your life? Or that all this is just a dream? That none of this is real as we would define that word? Or that we are just somone(something) elses thought? no I haven't been smoking..... - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:20:39 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC kerry wrote: > Lori wrote: > >>More confusion: if you're from the U.S. state of > Wisconsin you might pronounce "sorry" to rhyme with > "gory," as a friend of mine from Ripon, WI, does.>> > > Huh??? I was trying to keep up with this, but now I'm stumped. Here in > WisCONsin, Lori, gory, glory and sorry all rhyme! I guess words have to be > written phonetically, rather than compared to a rhyming word. Isn't the > British lorry pronunciation more like "LAH-ry?" No way! That is how an American would say it. how on earth gory, glory and sorry can rhyme I have no clue! Sorry has a short o and gory/glory a long. The fist part of sorry does not sound like saw. > That's how Cat Stevens says > it in one of his songs. > > Still confused, > Kerry > > NP - Neil Young "Sail Away" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:20:42 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC kerry wrote: > Lori wrote: > >>More confusion: if you're from the U.S. state of > Wisconsin you might pronounce "sorry" to rhyme with > "gory," as a friend of mine from Ripon, WI, does.>> > > Huh??? I was trying to keep up with this, but now I'm stumped. Here in > WisCONsin, Lori, gory, glory and sorry all rhyme! I guess words have to be > written phonetically, rather than compared to a rhyming word. Isn't the > British lorry pronunciation more like "LAH-ry?" No way! That is how an American would say it. how on earth gory, glory and sorry can rhyme I have no clue! Sorry has a short o and gory/glory a long. The fist part of sorry does not sound like saw. > That's how Cat Stevens says > it in one of his songs. > > Still confused, > Kerry > > NP - Neil Young "Sail Away" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:23:50 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Court's in session... << PS: I'm certainly glad she chose Court & Spark as the title as opposed to "Puppy & Shit" ! :~D >> I'm just imagining it now!!! "Dancing up a river in a fit Looking for a woman To Puppy and Shit" LOL, I'm glad she chose "Court and Spark" too :~) Jimmy NW (on tv) B oing Bo ing Boi ng (that silly tennis shoe commercial) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:39:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: december 16 at last!!!!! NJC don't ask me why, but i had to go and play my ''sound of music'' soundtrack to make today's birthday announcement. my friend and twin has always delighted me with his wicked humor [as wicked as mine!!!!], his courage, his spiritual gifts, his candor and his taste in men. i know that i am only one of his many fans, but i'm not jealous: people like him always end up having a following! dear colin: i love you very dearly and i wish you the happiest of all possible lives. you've risen from shit and adversity and you have made your life a source of love and care for john and your babies. i bask in the sun of your friendship. H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y SWEETHEART! be well, be naughty, be outrageous, wallyK, fellow fairy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:36:27 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC Hey now... I'm from Wisconsin and I don't allow "gory" and "sorry" to rhyme. But then again-- I'm from southern Wisconsin-- Ripon is a bit north-- nothing like people from Superior/Duluth to have a good laugh. ;) My boyfriend lives there now and everyone has the most horrible accents-- luckily he only sounds like Fargo when he tries. ;) Someone in one of my classes the other day said to me... "God-- I'm so hungry-- I could really go for some *FEUD* (pronounced: fyewd)" It took me a few minuted to realize what he meant was *FOOD*. He's from Illinois. Which Illinois people pronounce "EL-INOIS"-- and that's just wrong. ;) eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of catman Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:21 PM To: kerry Cc: Lori R. Fye; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC kerry wrote: > Lori wrote: > >>More confusion: if you're from the U.S. state of > Wisconsin you might pronounce "sorry" to rhyme with > "gory," as a friend of mine from Ripon, WI, does.>> > > Huh??? I was trying to keep up with this, but now I'm stumped. Here in > WisCONsin, Lori, gory, glory and sorry all rhyme! I guess words have to be > written phonetically, rather than compared to a rhyming word. Isn't the > British lorry pronunciation more like "LAH-ry?" No way! That is how an American would say it. how on earth gory, glory and sorry can rhyme I have no clue! Sorry has a short o and gory/glory a long. The fist part of sorry does not sound like saw. > That's how Cat Stevens says > it in one of his songs. > > Still confused, > Kerry > > NP - Neil Young "Sail Away" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:13:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Court's in session... > "Dancing up a river in a fit > Looking for a woman > To Puppy and Shit" LOL! Tried to sing it tune and the words don't fit. oh shit. > > > LOL, I'm glad she chose "Court and Spark" too :~) > > Jimmy > NW (on tv) B oing Bo ing Boi ng (that silly tennis shoe commercial) - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:15:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC When we bought our house here I thought the estate agent had a speech impediment. Later I realised it was the accent. She said conFOOZED instead of confused. It sounds cute tho. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:18:52 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: december 16 at last!!!!! NJC Dear Fellow Fairy, blush, blush, blush..... thank you. Ihave had great day and a great lay. My foster parents came up for the day from London which was lovely. they adopted me when i was 35. I can hardly believe I am twenty -twenty -two. How did that happen? I never dreamt I'd see the millenium. love to you and y'all too(just for Lori that one) colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:48:20 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: [none] Rev, For some reason I think Letterman was confusing Joni w/ Joan Baez with that joke, don't know why or what JB tune, maybe Diamonds and Rust, some reference comes to mind. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:11:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Court's in session...NJC << Isn't it weird how we just make sounds, which we call words, and those sounds can engender deep feelings, both negative and positive? >> Yes, and sometimes I'll see a simple word in a book, a word I've seen thousands of times before, and all of a sudden it looks strange to me. But like you say, words are powerful things. I think that choosing my words in an e-mail context has made me a more careful conversationalist as well... <> If it's a good book...right now I'm reading Nick Hornby's "About A Boy", and he's SUCH a good writer that it's almost impossible NOT to hear Fiona's, Will's, and Marcus' individual voices. And thanks to all the UK JMDLer's, I even understand most of the British expressions! :~) << has it ever occurred to you that people somewhere might be in a cinema and watching YOU on a screen? Your life?>> Like "The Truman Show"...excellent flick! If you haven't seen it and you're interested in that sort of concept, I sure recommend it. Unfortunately, my like is so dull that if people were watching me on a screen, they would have walked out of the theatre YEARS ago! :~) And, by the way, a Happy Birthday to you Colin! Bob NP: Tony Joe White, "Polk Salad Annie" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:30:17 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: SJMC, a sensitive subject/ more river Well i did want to raise the level of intellectual input to JMDL but i forgot what a big rock does when thrown in to a still pond. Hit on the head,thats how i felt as my printer put out 14 pages of violence. Thanks Catman ,Mags for response Holly Cole does a good "RIVER" on a cd that L klien produced but i like her earlier (trio/Jazz) cd,s NP Lets eat home: Dave Frishberg im lucky to have heard Dave playing the keys at the fancy hotel piano bar Downtown. - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:13:46 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Video Tree Thanks to Jerry I received the latest video tree yesterday and stayed up half the night to watch all 4 hours. As others here have raved, it is really fantastic. Thanks so much to Ashara, simon, Coyote Rick, Linda, Les, the branches and everyone else who contributed to this set. It is quite a treasure. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:04:06 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday, (NJC) He may be Wallyk's twin, but he is my soul brother, my soul mate. I've loved him since he joined the list and for all of his mischievous spirit, he is a person that I can go to for solid, compassionate and sane advice. No matter what, he's always stuck by my side. Why we live so far apart is beyond me. Maybe in the next life. Happy Birthday to my dear, dear, dear friend, Colin. Love forever, MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:46:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: december 16 at last!!!!! NJC i know what you mean, colin. i can't believe i'll be 40 in 11 f_ing days. i never thought i'd live that long, what with one being so reckless and then all the epidemics, drugs, all that stuff. i'm so glad we've survived and that we're still kicking major ass! have another great lay for me, baby. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de catman Enviado el: Sabado, 16 de Diciembre de 2000 06:19 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: december 16 at last!!!!! NJC Dear Fellow Fairy, blush, blush, blush..... thank you. Ihave had great day and a great lay. My foster parents came up for the day from London which was lovely. they adopted me when i was 35. I can hardly believe I am twenty -twenty -two. How did that happen? I never dreamt I'd see the millenium. love to you and y'all too(just for Lori that one) colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:52:11 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Staples ad (NJC) Does anyone else laugh every time you see the latest Staples ad on tv? I must have seen it a 100 times already and I still laugh every time. It's the one with a robot claiming to love the copier/fax/printer machine and fighting with someone who wants to buy it...."no, you can't have her, I love her" said in a male computer voice and then saying "weeping, weeping" when it's finally yanked out of his hands. And what makes me laugh even more is when he's shown a power strip and he instantly falls in love with that. LOL! or at least a smile if it's an unusually tough day. Debra Shea NP: tv newscast; the cold rainy weather here doesn't seem so bad after looking at the temperatures elsewhere.... MINUS 50 degrees .... just thinking about that makes me shiver. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:23:52 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Press Release re Richard Thompson cd NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > ....Since I had a hard > time warming to Thompson's voice, Again, it's interesting how differently people react to the same thing. I loved Richard Thompson's voice instantly, imperfect though it is. To my ears, it comes right from his heart and is emotionally genuine and very rich sounding (compared to Don Henley or Paul Simon, for example, who IMO are lightweights voice-wise, with the sound coming right from their throats). I find it a such a pleasure and comfort to hear his voice, and then there's his guitar playing too, and those challenging sassy lyrics.... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:21:17 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: 2000 Top 10 Christopher J. Treacy wrote: > > Here it goes: > 2. Cocteau Twins "Stars And Topsoil" (compilation) > 7. Lazy Dog - Deep House Music spun by Ben Watt & Jay Hannan I'm especially pleased to see these two albums make somebody's Top 10. Chris, how did you hear of the Lazy Dog CD? Have you been to the club? Are you an EBTG fan? I don't normally care for mix albums, but this one is rather special. Oh, and the Cocteau CD is simply sublime...every home should have one. I'd also highly recommend the David Sylvian retrospective-that-isn't-really-a-retrospective, Everything & Nothing. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Tomato, Tomahto controversy NJC kerry wrote: > Huh??? I was trying to keep up with this, but now > I'm stumped. Here in WisCONsin, Lori, gory, glory > and sorry all rhyme! I always thought it was Wi-SCON-sin! : ) As for the pronunciation of "sorry," just about everywhere in the U.S. -- EXCEPT for Wisconsin -- it's pronounced SAR-re, where the first syllable rhymes with car and the second syllable has what sounds like a long "e." Colin wrote: > No way! That is how an American would say it. how on > earth gory, glory and sorry can rhyme I have no > clue! Sorry has a short o and gory/glory a long. And I would still pronounce "lorry" as I do my first name, which rhymes with glory. Lori in DC, wondering where Wally's questionnaire is??? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #658 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?