From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #657 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 657 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: the lot/thought divide NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: irregardless/regardless NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Robbed (NJC) [catman ] Today in Joni History - December 16 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria ["Elizabeth Udall" ] best of the year: one more title ["Patrick Willoughby" ] NJC Julia ? Julee [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Best of 2000 NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Press Release re Richard Thompson cd [dsk ] Re: Juliana Hatfield, Aimee Mann (NJC) [Jason Long ] Re: dio njc [Vince Lavieri ] Letterman tonight [Vince Lavieri ] The new babe on the edge / NJC ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria (NJC) ["Marian" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:16:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: the lot/thought divide NJC cath, your questions are so relevant! the survey is based mainly on what the native speakers ''hear'' themselves say rather than on what I might hear. what you think rhymes, goes. i don't want to give any specific examples now because i'm afraid it might jeopardize the objectiveness of the questionnaire's results. however, i'd love to discus a couple of points you've raised [the ''abewt/ewt'' issue is one of my favorite phonetic phenomena in the world!] after the survey. and i'm so glad you want to participate. i need a lot of canadians from every possible region. canadian english is appallingly misrepresented in most surveys. this project will be a dream come true. you might think i need to get a life, but the thought/lot question has been on my mind ever since i was 13!!!!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Enviado el: Viernes, 15 de Diciembre de 2000 05:19 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; catman; Lori R. Fye Asunto: Re: the lot/thought divide NJC So yeah, I'm curious to know how you can do a test like that without hearing people speak. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:20:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: irregardless/regardless NJC xena catherine writes: My husband uses that expression all the time and it drives me mad: "Stop aggravating me". To which I *would* reply, but for the fact that he *just wouldn't get it*: "You couldn't possibly get any worse." and i say: positively rolling on the floor!!!!! can i adopt it? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:39:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Banks Catherine McKay wrote: > --- catman wrote: > > > > I wouldn't be young again for anything. It is > > overated. > > Speak for yourself (and you surely did!) I would! and > I wouldn't make the same mistakes (yeah, right.) well if we could be young and still the same as now...I guess I wouldn't mind having the body i once had! Come to think of it, John could with the body he once had too! > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:42:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Robbed (NJC) > I don't get the nerve of some people thinking they > have the right to take things that belong to other > people or just waltz into their house and make a mess > of their stuff. I don't even like having to go into > another person's office when they're away just to look > for a document that we need in a hurry. we were burgled twice in Londond. The first time was in 84 a few days after a Lhasa Apso wond BIS at Cruft's. They stole a litter of my Lhasa's. they were still on mum and not weaned. Stupid wicked bastards. The second time they took my hi fi separtaes-in 98. I didn't care-I was just so relieved they left PC alone! But we moved! > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:23:54 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 16 1974: Today's issue of Time Magazine features a long article on Joni. An excerpt: "The new rock heroes of the '70s have turned out to be glittery imitations of talent. Most sixties' superstars survive in repackaged groups with discounted reputations. But Joni's writing and singing continue to renew themselves. Her roots in rebellion have flourished as stubborn, invincible candor. "The most important thing is to write in your own blood," she says. "I bare intimate feelings because people should know how other people feel." Joni's confidences, delivered in poetic portraits, produce in her huge and varied audience a spirit of communion that separates the poet from the diarist." Read the article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/741216time.cfm Also, in the same issue, a side article details "An evening spent at Joni's house", saying, "The kitchen is dominated by a huge freestanding chopping block and a massive old icebox. "I thought I'd make that into a storage cabinet. Do you like Yorkshire pudding?" she asks expectantly as she mixes the batter." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/741216timex.cfm 1977: Today's New York Times publishes a review of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. An excerpt: "Perhaps extensive critical acclaim and chart-topping sales will result from all of this, but what makes it interesting and honorable is that that doesn't really matter. Miss Mitchell has so much force of artistic personality that she brings her musical collaborators into her own style of what might be called folk-jazz. Read the full review at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/771216nyt.cfm 1985: Today's issue of People Magazine features a long article on Joni. An excerpt: "A committed painter for decades, Mitchell used to draw simple colored portraits, but her work evolved into bold abstract acrylic paintings. She refuses to sell her works and rarely exhibits them because she says most of the profits would just go to agents and taxes. In this dog-eat-dog world, she gives her paintings away to friends." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851216p.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:21:31 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Udall" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria >Sorry to have to say this, but this really is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time, as if each nation or culture has or could expect to have a Joni Mitchell. > Would that it were true, but if it were then Joni would be just an Average Joe. > >Paul I >Victor wrote...There was nothing dumb at all about this post and that reply is illspirited and unnecessary. A big AMEN!!! Elizabeth NP: NPR's All Things Considered _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:19:04 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni at Columbia House! Hey JMDLers. Columbia House has 13 of Joni's 21 albums! They only have one on sale though- a cassette version of Hissing for.... (wait for it.....) 99 cents (plus shipping and handling which is outrageous high.) If you don't have any Dylan, you might want to snap up this bargain: Bob Dylan Biograph (New Package 3 Cd Set)  COLUMBIA/LEGACY  1997 CD Regular Price: $39.98 Sale Price $19.98 Long time Dylan fans take note of this though: Bob Dylan The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-3  COLUMBIA/LEGACY  1997 CD Regular Price: $39.98 Sale Price $19.98 (Wow! I jumped on this one!) Bobby's a pretty good lyricist. He's no Joni though. :) He's sort of an American version.... a male version...... sort of a Joni-wannabe. Relishing the twisted idea of damning his Bobness with faint praise, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:54:23 -0800 From: "Patrick Willoughby" Subject: best of the year: one more title For those who may not know her, singer/songwriter Patty Larkin's latest "Regrooving the Dream"is, IMHO, a brilliant piece of work. She'll never be a best seller, but I saw her live, "way up here" a few months ago, and she is way good. A stocking stuffer suggestion. Cheers, Patrick in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:16:48 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Chocolat NJC This is NJC but Joni would love this movie. It opened today in NYC and since Johnny Depp is in it I went so I could gaze upon him again (he's the only actor that can get me into a movie on opening day). And in this one he even had an Irish accent, which combined with his looks is just way too much appeal for one man to have. It's dangerously heart-stopping (to me, anyway, and to all the women around me sighing in the audience :-). To the movie.... it's a beautiful looking "I laughed, I cried, I fell in love" movie about giving and healing and accepting each other and, instead of following the rules, following the heart. It's magical (overused word but it really is magical!). I expect to see it again, and probably again. So everyone, see this as soon as you can. Everything about it is wonderful. Debra Shea, truly not a Miramax shill, just a happy moviegoer today NPIMH: Django Reinhardt music that was in the movie; I want to hear more of that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:43:53 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: NJC Julia ? Julee Wally K., I am/was a big "Twin Peaks" fan, I think you are mistaking Julia Fordham for Julee Cruise, the later sang "Rockin' Back Inside My Heart" included in the TV show, even with an appearance. As I look at this Maxi Single, the close up of Julee shows some resemblance to Julia. ......Maurice << Subject: RE: Julia Fordham/Kyle Eastwood stephen the nose-delicious, do you remember twin peaks? julia fordham sang the theme. of course, she did more than just that in her life but the twin peaks theme was very popular and i thought it might jog your memory.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:12:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Best of 2000 NJC > LOL! Well, Mike, you're just gonna have to buy more new music!! :~D > I tell you, it was tough paring down the list this year, there was some other > really fine records like John Hiatt, Peter Case, Michael Holland, that I > liked but not as much as the ones that made it to my list. > > Being a slut has its downsides! I don't know if I actually bought 10 *new* releases all year. I don't know if that just means I'm way behind the times or if it's just plain pathetic. I will say that 'Red Dirt Girl' is currently getting a lot of play in my car tape deck. Emmylou is really at the top of her game right now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:20:56 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Press Release re Richard Thompson cd HOLLYWOOD--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Dec. 13, 2000 -- 19-Track Compilation Contains Studio Recordings Plus 3 Bonus Tracks from Critically Acclaimed Troubadour's Capitol Releases "Action Packed -- The Best of the Capitol Years," the first ever "best of" compilation highlighting Richard Thompson's years on the label, will be released March 27, 2001. The collection features songs from his distinguished catalog of Capitol recordings, including the Grammy Award nominees, "Rumor & Sigh" and "You? Me? Us?." Other highlights include three bonus tracks: a live version of "Persuasion," with an appearance by his son, Virgin recording artist Teddy Thompson, plus two previously unreleased on CD, "Mr. Rebound" and "Fully Qualified Man." Hailed as a great folk-rock romanticist for his dark wit and sardonic lyrics and admired for his biting guitar playing, Thompson has been cited as an influence by many of today's top artists including R.E.M., Bruce Springsteen, Beck, Bonnie Raitt, Los Lobos, Linda Ronstadt, David Byrne and Nanci Griffith, to name a few. His songs have been recorded by a wide spectrum of artists including Raitt, Ronstadt, Griffith, Elvis Costello, Shawn Colvin, The Pointer Sisters, Evan Dando, Bob Mould and Patty Loveless. Richard Thompson has been a critics' favorite for more than 30 years starting with his days in the pioneering British folk/rock group Fairport Convention. Critical acclaim followed Thompson through the 70s and 80s with many successful solo recordings on various labels. His solo career continued with his first Capitol recording, 1988's "Amnesia." Songs such as "Turning Of The Tide" and "Waltzing's For Dreamers" showed Thompson writing with fresh energy and strength after a period where his music had been influenced by the break-up of his marriage to his longtime musical partner, Linda Thompson. Three years later, he enjoyed one of his biggest successes to date with "Rumor & Sigh." Found on Capitol's new "best of" are four tracks from the critically acclaimed "Rumor & Sigh" album, "1952 Vincent Black Lightning," "I Misunderstood," "Keep Your Distance," and the animated video-driven "I Feel So Good". "Mirror Blue," the 1994 follow-up to "Rumor & Sigh" is highlighted on "Action Packed -- The Best of the Capitol Years" by, "I Can't Wake Up to Save My Life," "King Of Bohemia," and the beautiful acoustic ballad "Beeswing." Thompson's 1996 double CD, "You? Me? Us?" contained a blend of electric material ("Voltage Enhanced") and acoustic ("Nude"). "Action Packed -- The Best Of The Capitol Years" contains the "Voltage Enhanced" version of "Razor Dance," which, according to Rolling Stone, is better than the "Nude" version: "Of the two versions, the hot splatter of blood and tears on the electric take better suits the song's deceptively exuberant chorus and sense of mounting crisis," stated the magazine in a review which described the album as "full of disturbing and wondrous moments" and praised the performances for being "uniformly marvelous." Other tracks from "You? Me? Us?" include "Cold Kisses," which deals with jealousy over a previous lover, and "The Ghost Of You Walks." "Bathsheba Smiles" is among the four songs taken from "Mock Tudor," the 1999 album Thompson recorded with Beck and Elliot Smith producers Tom Rothrock and Rob Schnapf. From that album also comes the opening track, a tale of a club owner's transformation from gangster to hippie called "Cooksferry Queen," "Uninhabited Man," and "Walking The Long Miles Home." Track Listing: 1. Turning Of The Tide 2. Waltzing's For Dreamers 3. 1952 Vincent Black Lightning 4. I Misunderstood 5. I Feel So Good 6. Keep Your Distance 7. King Of Bohemia 8. I Can't Wake Up To Save My Live 9. Beeswing 10. The Ghost Of You Walks 11. Razor Dance ("Voltage Enhanced" version) 12. Cold Kisses 13. Bathsheba Smiles 14. Cooksferry Queen 15. Uninhabited Man 16. Walking The Long Miles Home 17. Persuasion (LIVE version with Teddy Thompson) 18. Mr. Rebound (previously unavailable on CD) 19. Fully Qualified Man (previously unavailable on CD) BEST OF RICHARD THOMPSON: THE CAPITOL YEARS 1988-2000 Street Date: March 27, 2001 Label: Capitol Records ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:09:07 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Juliana Hatfield, Aimee Mann (NJC) Emily wrote: >1) juliana hatfield, "beautiful creature" -- >this one has slowly and steadily grown on me. the first >listen i was sort of, ehhh, nothing special here. but >i was wrong: i was duped by the simplicity of the lyrics, >i think. and i was turned off by "cool rock boy," which >i still sort of think is a rather unoriginal song, >lyric-wise that is. BUT i love, love, love "daniel" and >especially the line "this is the sound of NO MONEY" which >this broke grad student likes to sing at the top of >her lungs. and the music, the guitar -- wonderful, >eerie, moving song. a perfect first song for the album. >i also really like "choose drugs" which my boyfriend thinks >is really lame, very obvious with its chorus "i say it's >me or drugs you choose drugs" and i know what he means >but when she lilts her voice high, high and soaring high >to sing "druuuuugs" at the end, i just love it. it's >so silly that it is also perfect. and i like the one >about sitting on a plane on a runway, cheap red-eye it's >one-way -- the metaphor works (oh man, does it work -- >speaking as someone who met her significant other ON >A PLANE). and i like the "screw you, ex, somebody is >waiting for me" one (can you tell i'm doing this without the >CD in front of me?). >anyway, THANK you whoever recommended this to me -- it's >truly a find. I think I might have been the one who had recommended Juliana, when I sent that sprawling post about Liz Phair and Jen Trynin. I'm really glad to hear you're enjoying the album -- I had much the same reaction when I first heard it, but warmed up to it quickly. I had already been burned once before, having bought Juliana's _Become What You Are_ out of curiosity and the recommendations of a few friends, which I traded back in less than a week. I thought the lyrics were almost embarrassingly simple at times and the few times I played it, I could recall neither any of her melodies or hooks afterwards. There's a lot of Hatfield fans on the Liz Phair list, however, and I respect their opinions and share many of their favorites, so after a lot of prodding earlier this year, I finally broke down and bought _Beautiful Creature_. I was still a little skeptical initially, but in the end, the album really won me over and has become one of my favorites of the year. I love her voice -- it's so expressive and even manages to save her occasional lyrical stumbles. I really do agree with many of your assessments -- "Daniel" is a moving opener, "Choose Drugs" should have been silly, but ended up sublime, and "Somebody is Waiting for Me" is a great kiss-off (not to mention probably the most compulsively sing-along-able song on the album). I'm just now starting to explore the rest of her catalog -- _Total System Failure_ is more of a full-on, rock album that doesn't really play on most of Juliana's strengths, but _Only Everything_ is almost as winning and charming as _Beautiful Creature_ ended up being for me, with only occasional missteps. Bob wrote: ><< Aimee Mann - Bachelor #2.>> >Funny how people have mentioned this one in lieu of the Magnolia soundtrack, >which I liked a lot more. Both were 2000 releases. Not that B#2 isn't good, >just that it's not as memorable as Magnolia imo...(except for those >Supertramp songs...I guess they fit in the film but they seem out of place >here). Actually, _Magnolia_ was technically a 1999 release, although so late in the year that the quibble is only a minor one. You can include me in the camp who prefer _Bachelor No. 2_ to the _Magnolia_ soundtrack. For me, _Bachelor_ feels much more like an album and has the flow of a really great one. _Magnolia_ feels too disjointed to me, but perhaps that's because a few of the songs ("Wise Up," "One," and "Momentum") had already appeared on other releases, so I was already familiar with them and they seemed less revelatory as a result. Plus, by the time you strip away the other artists' contributions (all of which I'm not fond of), you're left with little more than an EP, although a really great one, of Aimee's songs. _Bachelor_, meanwhile, contains all of the greats from _Magnolia_ that I hadn't already been familiar with, with the exception of "Save Me," but it's also a lot more varied in tone and tempo, while still sounding like a cohesive record. Part of what I missed with _Magnolia_, although they would have been inappropriate in that context, were her killer uptempo, extremely catchy songs like "That's Just What You Are" and "Long Shot" from _I'm With Stupid_. With _Bachelor_, I got those in the form of songs like "Ghost World" and "Susan." Plus, "Red Vines" has to be my pick for the perfect pop single of the year and "How Am I Different" is an astoundingly cathartic album opener (I love the way it just builds and builds and builds). Of course, the ideal would be to just pick up the version of the album that's being released in the UK early next year, which is going to also include "Save Me" and a new song that's either entitled "Backflip" or "Backfire" (I can't remember which). ;) Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:37:57 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: dio njc Is Dio still around? I saw him in concert in 1985 in Detroit... was actually quite impressed. I have a lot of his cassettes; never did understand the album cover with the monster whipping the guy (a rather dorky looking person) in the clerical collar as the clergy person was drowning. I do remember being the only one over 30 at the Dio concert whose brains weren't fried... And I have a wonderful Dio tshirt that I never wore but have kept in its pristine state; where does one where such a thing, and why? But it is cool to look at... Thanks for the Dio flash back! (the Rev) Vince evian wrote: > > I actually thought about going tonight to see Ronnie James Dio > > > LOL, I forgot about Dio! God, "The Last in Line".... how could it have > slipped my mind? Another "guilty head-banging pleasure" from those days > for me is the Scorpions -- I have GOT to get myself Love at First Bite > on cd. > How I wish this week was over, > Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:16:00 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Letterman tonight On Letterman tonight they had a sketch where a stagehand ate various peanut butters to test for which was most crunchy and one was so crunchy it "caused" a "blood vessel" to burst and fake blood gushed all over the stage; Dave said, "Blood and peanut butter, my favorite Joni Mitchell album." It makes no sense - the humor is in the absurdity and the droll way Letterman drops in the non sequitur (spelling?)... but that is his second Joni reference in recent time and it certainly tells us that Dave has Joni on his mind; he must be a fan! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:44:01 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: The new babe on the edge / NJC The first Seductive Female that touch my heart I think it was Snow White singing to me in the red velvet seats in the fox theatre Later at as a teenage nerd it was JM at the chessmate the most current Chantueses Suzanna Hoffs got a good throat with soul down to the toes Dayna Manning sweet as wild berry skittles Wild Strawberries a good lead singer complex sounds Victoria Williams gots that nanci g west texas thing Lucinda Williams Right in time on cwoagr is damn naughty Alison Krauss forget about it no way she really delivers in this cd E L Harris Si Si Senora Emily ,Cow Girls Prayer, Spy Boy ,and Red Dirt ,Best Better and Better ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:57:49 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell LIVE in Austria (NJC) wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > where the hell is marian by the way?????????!!!!!!!!! > wallyK, concerned I have gotten very behind with JMDL over the last month or so. I got suddenly very busy at work after I made a few posts and then got behind in reading the digests - there are still at least 20 from more than a month ago that I haven't read. I hope I'll have time to go back and read them before the new year. Joni's songs have been in my heart, though, and thanks to the trust, generosity, and kindness of a great man on this list, I am now the proud owner of an electric guitar, Gk-2A pickup and Roland VG-8! I feel like I have died and gone to Joni music heaven!!! No more broken strings!!! I can switch between The Gallery and Black Crow in the blink of an eye. This is just the best thing anyone has ever done for me in my whole entire life and I will be forever grateful!!! On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:28:58 -0000 "Schlifni Manhard" wrote: > Yesterday, I was in a concert from Ramona > (age 27), she is - according to my subjective > perception of reality - the Austrian version > of Joni Mitchell. I am very curious about Ramona. I would like to hear her sometime. The fact that there are other excellent female musicians out there in addition to Joni - - Jonatha Brooke, Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, Jennifer Kimball, Tina Arena, Jan Arden, to name a few - makes me feel ever hopeful of finding yet more beautiful music. Manhard, please let me know when and where Ramona will be performing again. I live near Vienna, so could easily attend one of her shows. Regards to all, Marian Vienna ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #657 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?