From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #654 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 654 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: rejoice in the lahm!!! NJC [Alison E ] here's hoping (NJC) [jan gyn ] Re: CD Burner Question (NJC) [catman ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC [catman ] Re: here's hoping (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC ["Garret" ] Re: CD Burner Question (NJC) [Scott Price ] Re: full moon and wolves ["Garret" ] RE:NJC Banks ["Garret" ] Re: shit! NJC [jan gyn ] RE: CD Burner Question (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Newbie Begging ["michael heile" ] hello earthlings and fellow joni fans [FromThePlanet Geeeek ] Re: Best of 2000 VLJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Fw: regardless/irregardless (NJC) ["Megan" ] Re: NJC Banks [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Banks [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Saving jm.com ["Megan" ] Re: Newbie Begging [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: regardless/irregardless (NJC) ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC [catman ] Re: shit! NJC [catman ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC [catman ] Re: NJC Banks [catman ] Re: LJC -- Story of a Randaholic--LONG (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Digital Camera (NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE: shit! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC [dsk ] Re: here's hoping (NJC) ["C.A. Starkey" ] RE: here's hoping (NJC) ["Eric Wilcox" ] Robbed (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Snow gathers like bolts of lace ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: here's hoping (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: here's hoping (NJC) ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Saving jm.com [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: sonicnet (very NJC) ["Hell" ] Re: Today in Joni History - December 13 ["Hell" ] Re: irregardless/regardless NJC ["Hell" ] dio njc [evian ] RE: irregardless/regardless NJC ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: rejoice in the lahm!!! NJC several days late, as usual, but i just wanted to wish the lovely and talented mr. david lahm a very happy birthday. i hope it was a good one. take care, alison e. in nyc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > oh come all ye faithful! the lahm is having a > birthday!!!!!!!!! > > mr. lahm: you're my favorite yet-to-be-met saint. > will we EVER meet? or will disease, bad weather or > plain silliness FOREVER > prevent me from finding my way through chelsea??? > > in any case, have a grand, EXPLOSIVELY MUSICAL, > happy birthday!!!!! > > i'll be seeing you. > > nina, from argentina. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:03:10 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: here's hoping (NJC) >If the superstitious Zero Factor prevails, Dubya will either die or be >assassinated in office: > >1840: William Henry Harrison. Dies in office of pneumonia. >1860: Abraham Lincoln. Assassinated. >1880: James Garfield. Assassinated. >1900: William McKinley. Assassinated. >1920: Warren G. Harding. Dies of a stroke in office. >1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt. Dies of cerebral hemorrhage. >1960: John F. Kennedy. Assassinated. >1980: Ronald Reagan. Assassination attempt. (the only one to survive the >curse) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:15:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: CD Burner Question (NJC) > " > > This sounds most like the explanation - I will reload and reburn at a > slower speed and see if that doesn't reduce the 'noise'. Cheers! -Chris I used to be on cd burner list. This was the advice I was given and it worked for me. I now only burn at 2x and use 2x discs. I also found 80min cd's were a problem. How about this-my expemnsive car cd chnager(3yrs old) wouldn't play them without skipping. My cheap but new bedroom mini system plays anything! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:16:33 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > > Bu I have never heard an American use a short o! It > > always sounds like loori not lorry. > > Well, perhaps the correct phonetic presentation is: > Lor-ee. But it still sounds like the British word for > truck. yes it does. a virginian I know here says both with a long o! Never mind, i always think of you as Lori and not as a truck! > > > Lori > in DC > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:18:56 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: here's hoping (NJC) I'm not sure how humorous this was intended to be, but as a dedicated opponent of Bush the Younger I must say that I certainly don't wish death on him. Even joking about it is taking partisanship a bit too far for my tastes. - --Michael NP: My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult - --------------------------------------------------------------- "I can't believe life's so complex When I just wanna sit here and watch you undress" - --PJ Harvey, "This Is Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:32:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: shit! NJC I was robbed this evening. My wallet with all my cards, my driving licence and about #70 in cash. The cash is not a problem. Spending ages on the phone cancelling those I can remember i have was a major pain. As is the fact i am unlikely to have my new cards this side of Xmas due to post being held up by this truly crap weather.(last night it was as bad as couple of weeks ago-90mph winds). I do all my bacnking and spending wtih plastic. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:49:48 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC the one that really bugs me for whatever unfathomable reason is when people say faetal instead of faecal. a slight difference to be sure. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:37:08 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: CD Burner Question (NJC) At 03:38 PM 12/13/00 -0500, Christopher J. Treacy wrote: >This sounds most like the explanation - I will reload and reburn at a >slower speed and see if that doesn't reduce the 'noise'. Cheers! -Chris The "noise" you refer to is likely due to errors, "dropouts" if you will, where the .wav files became garbled, resulting in a small sampling of "bad" data which to the ear sounds like a pop, a click, or some other grating type noise. Most all CD burning software applications are not capable of true bit-to-bit duplication. The speed and the large volume of data (650 MB or more) on a CD-R makes it difficult to make an *exact* copy...most programs allow for a few errors to happen, usually not noticeable to all but the most demanding audiophiles. There is one program, (freeware, even!) that will make perfect copies. Check out Exact Audio Copy if you are interested in a ripping application that will make true bit-for-bit copies. Using cheap media will only exacerbate the problem. There is a huge difference in performance, and perhaps the archival qualities, depending on which brand of blank you use. The better ones are manufactured with better materials and to higher specifications. For example, my "regular" CD player seems to be able to play anything. But my DVD player, while able to read Mitsui, Sony, or TDK discs, cannot play generic-type discs. As well, the CD-ROM in my computer has never had a problem reading these name brand discs but I have had difficulty ripping from some of the generics. Please do yourself a huge favor and never use crappy blanks. Yes, I know that thousands of users swear by them, but my experience has been that you get what you pay for. The speed at which you burn may or may not be an issue. Certain burners have proven to make better copies at their rated maximum speeds of 4X, 8X, or 12X than they do at 1X or 2X. It wouldn't hurt to try burning at a slower speed, but I'd try other methods first, like using different media, or a different program, to see if that doesn't help. Goldenhawk's CDR-WIN is highly rated and their website allows you to try a demo version, limited to 1X only, to see if their software will work for you. Other popular programs are Nero and Feurio. Adaptec's EZ CD Creator comes bundled with a lot of burners but *in my opinion* there are much better programs out there. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:11:27 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: full moon and wolves - ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine McKay >. When all is said and done, do what you > love - if you go into something strictly for the job > opps and the $, you'll never be happy, but if you go > for what you love to do, the jobs opps will present themselves. > that definitely is something i too believe Catherine. i'm not very driven by money, and i have always tried to tell people that the choice of a university course should not be too heavily influenced by the #### at the end of it all. i watched my best friend struggle with a course that she undoubtedly had the academic prowess to do well in last year, and she failed. (i dont think that was a sentence!) she hated science, and one too many chemistry lectures left her apathetic towards the whole college experience. had she chose something like history i'm sure she would have fared much better. GARRET np- Radiohead, lovesick punchdrunk singalong (well, i think that's what it is called,:-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:02:01 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:NJC Banks >Anybody have any >bank-changing experiences they want to share to either reassure me that >it's no big deal or scare the hell outta me? oh give me room for a bitch session Bob.... the bank i joined as a kid changed hands not so long ago. one day i went in to withdraw cash (so i could pay for a certain holiday to USA) and the lady ever so cheerfully told me i'd need my mother to sign for me to withdraw> you can imagine my horror. as usual i had left things until the last minute and needed the money there and then. i was shocked. so i ranted- i'm usually quiet and timid but i was stressed. i informed her that i'm not some child off the street, that i am legally old enough to drive, vote, drink, have sex, and certainly old enough to work bloody hard and lodge my damn wages in this bank! yes, i was frustrated. i mean, she thought i was like 14 or something. i do look young, but i dont think i look like a minor. Chris Marshall....chime in here!?!:-) one other time the manager of a local (goevernment run) bank shouted at me when i tried to cash a check. told me to bring my father with me. oh, the youth of today have so much to put up with:-D GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:56:01 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: shit! NJC >I was robbed this evening. My wallet with all my cards, my driving licence and about #70 >in cash. The cash is not a problem. Spending ages on the phone cancelling those I can >remember i have was a major pain. As is the fact i am unlikely to have my new cards this >side of Xmas due to post being held up by this truly crap weather.(last night it was as >bad as couple of weeks ago-90mph winds). I do all my bacnking and spending wtih plastic. >bw >colin Man does it suck or what? I've been unwalleted 3X- 1st time by knifepoint, 2nd by pickpocket (who shot out of the bus and disappeared) and 3rd from my work cubicle (which I left unattended like 10 minutes). So I guess I'm getting robbed in a progressively kinder manner, which I guess means the world's improving. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:03:09 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: CD Burner Question (NJC) Jumping into the thread late... I've heard of people sometimes having better results with the blue or clear recordable CDs when compared to the "old" green ones. (I'm taking about the colour of the see-thru bit, not the metal in the CD itself.) Certainly I don't have any problems in anything I've tried, except for a very old 80's CD player. I can even write blue (no! not *that* sort of blue) video CDs and play them in my DVD player. I should add that I always record audio/video stuff at 1x though, which may also help. My $0.02... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:18:24 -0500 From: "michael heile" Subject: Newbie Begging Hello to all. I just recently discovered this list via member of the Van Morrison Discussion List (Vanlist). As a novice in the world of webcrawling, cd burning etc. I was wondering if anyone would provide me with information on how to obtain the Joni Mitchell 4 disc tree listed on the website. I have some Van Morrison material to trade or perhaps I can persuade someone to do a B&P. In any event looking over the postings today it looks like a lively and fun group. Thanks for your time and I really appreciate your help in this.-- Regards, Michael H. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: FromThePlanet Geeeek Subject: hello earthlings and fellow joni fans hello earthlings (i think) and fellow joni mitchell fans (i am sure), we here on the (invisible to earthlings) planet geeeek, 186,000 gazillion persnips (approximately 962.8 light-minutes) from your planet have been fans of our native-born goddess ever since we sent her to your planet as an adult in a human child's body more than fifty of your years ago. it certainly looks like she has done us proud, eh? this interplanetary internet connection is fragile, so i must go now. before i depart, i must wish everyone a wonderful holiday season (whichever one or ones you celebrate) and share with you all that in all my interstellar travels, i have never come across a group of beings (human, i think) that i felt more connected to. i love being here, even if only by a stream of photons across the vacuum of space the list member from the farthest away, geekazoid2001 (just call me geek, all my friends do) Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:45:01 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC What happened to CONtroversy? That's the way I'd say that word. And Lori is definitely a LOWree, truck or not. But, then, maybe I talk funny. :-) Debra Shea NP: Richard Thompson, "Night Comes In" live performance catman wrote: > Actually, the word that gets to me most (at this time) is controversy. Many pronounce it > contraVERSY wheras I am more used to conTROVersy. I think it can be said either way. > Either in this case said ITHER!! Not EETHER! > > As for your name, I guess Americans would say Loori whearas we say LORRY as in big truck. > I prefer your way. > bw > colin(not Colon) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:46:21 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of 2000 VLJC I'm just going with music and my top 5 Joni's "Both Sides Now" Paul Simon "You're the One" Madonna "Music" Emmy Lou Harris "Red Dirt Girl" Steely Dan "Two Against Nature" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:50:46 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Fw: regardless/irregardless (NJC) Mary, I think the word you are looking for is:tubercular( too-bur-que-ler) refers to a person who is in the active stages of tuberculosis(contagious), or the tubercular lesion itself present in the lung tissue. BW, Megan(R.N.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:02:34 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Banks << "One Flew o'er the Cuckoo's nest"? >> This would be the closest, Catherine, but more like Flew-er, and it's one syllable. Bob NP: Guess Who, "No Time" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:07:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Banks << oh, the youth of today have so much to put up with:-D >> True, but you get to be young! That makes up for a lot of crap. ;~) Bob NP: Less Than Jake, "Al's War" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:28:29 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Re:Saving jm.com Hi Ashara, I just accessed the fundraising site and ordered 2 of the prints-"Shadows" & "Light"- I can't imagine how gorgeous they'll be in person. Thanks! Megan :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:12:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie Begging << I was wondering if anyone would provide me with information on how to obtain the Joni Mitchell 4 disc tree listed on the website. >> Hiya Michael & welcome to the JMDL! I'll be happy to set you up with that 4-CD tree. It's some pretty cool stuff. As for Van, my main man "Boston Jim" has pretty much set me up with all the Van I need! Anyway, contact me privately and we'll get going on the tree. That also goes for anybody who's interested in CD Tree #1 or any other Joni audio. No need to beg...we're a very sharing group! Again, welcome...look forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP: Hendrix, "Crosstown Traffic" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:34:17 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: regardless/irregardless (NJC) Megan, R.N., wrote: "Mary, I think the word you are looking for is:tubercular( too-bur-que-ler) refers to a person who is in the active stages of tuberculosis(contagious), or the tubercular lesion itself present in the lung tissue." Yes, that's the word! But interestingly, I've never heard in mangled in quite the way I suggest, although that would be perfectly logical if we are going to have "nucular" power plants. I guess there's always hope! ;-). Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:03:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC Garret wrote: > the one that really bugs me for whatever unfathomable reason is when people > say faetal instead of faecal. not that surprising-babies and shit tend to come together...... > > a slight difference to be sure. > GARRET - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:06:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: shit! NJC jan gyn wrote: > >I was robbed this evening. My wallet with all my cards, my driving licence > and about #70 > >in cash. The cash is not a problem. Spending ages on the phone cancelling > those I can > >remember i have was a major pain. As is the fact i am unlikely to have my > new cards this > >side of Xmas due to post being held up by this truly crap weather.(last > night it was as > >bad as couple of weeks ago-90mph winds). I do all my bacnking and spending > wtih plastic. > >bw > >colin > > Man does it suck or what? I've been unwalleted 3X- 1st time by knifepoint, > 2nd by pickpocket (who shot out of the bus and disappeared) and 3rd from my > work cubicle (which I left unattended like 10 minutes). So I guess I'm > getting robbed in a progressively kinder manner, which I guess means the > world's improving. Thank goodness nothing like that has happened. I am certain i was robbed today tho. I couldn't have dropped it without noticing. It is possible that I left it the checkout but the customer services say no. Perhaps the checkout operator is dishonest but I doubt it. I reckon it was lifted as I went to my car. > > -jan - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:13:40 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC dsk wrote: > What happened to CONtroversy? > That's the way I'd say that word. Huh? the con part can't be said any other way. Can it? the obnly two ways I know are contra-versy or con-trov-ersy. > > > And Lori is definitely a LOWree, truck or not. > But, then, maybe I talk funny. :-) now that is confusing! Do you mean LOWree as in HIGHree? Sounds like someone trying to be posh! You know the Irish say feck instead of fuck. Doesn't sound at all rude.. > > > Debra Shea > > NP: Richard Thompson, "Night Comes In" live performance > > catman wrote: > > > Actually, the word that gets to me most (at this time) is controversy. Many pronounce it > > contraVERSY wheras I am more used to conTROVersy. I think it can be said either way. > > Either in this case said ITHER!! Not EETHER! > > > > As for your name, I guess Americans would say Loori whearas we say LORRY as in big truck. > > I prefer your way. > > bw > > colin(not Colon) - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 02:15:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Banks SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << oh, the > youth of today have so much to put up with:-D >> > > True, but you get to be young! That makes up for a lot of crap. ;~) I wouldn't be young again for anything. It is overated. > > > Bob > > NP: Less Than Jake, "Al's War" - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:34:13 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: LJC -- Story of a Randaholic--LONG (NJC) on 12/12/00 11:35 PM, Al Date at al_date@email.com wrote: > my ethics strongly implies that there is a parental obligation to children. Hi Al- Man it's been SO long since we have heard from you. Hope you have been doing well. Be forewarned there are jmdlers gathering in your area next month. EGADS THE JONI PEOPLE!!!!! Thanks for the post on Rand. As usual you have tons of contributions for us. The one that strikes closet to home (no pun) for me is the one above. >But all the while, I loved music passionately, from an even earlier age, and >so I finally fell off the Objectivist Fence, and fell into indulging myself >in a non-stop emotional orgy of "love," marijuana, guitar-playing and >song-writing--and tried to forget philosophy entirely. I actually got >decent at guitar, but my vocal range was limited. I found that it was more >prudent to play songs like "Blackbird" and "Here Comes the Sun" publicly. >My career peaked with a solo rendition of "Matty Groves" down at a local >coffee shop in Burlingame CA (1972). I also "feel ya" in this arena (although my forte was voice more than guitar/piano), but no matter how good/bad we are as interpreters of music, it matters most how it makes YOU feel (and the people around you). And I can say for me personally, there is NOTHING like playing music, not even the renowned SEX (or drugs for that matter) for me it's always been rock and roll. Nothing fills me up like sitting around someones back porch with a couple of flat tops trading songs (well known and not so) and I have certainly got my "ya yas" out with quite a few of you (some more than others) on this list. Peace Bro, Michael NP-I Get Up I Get Down-Yes/Masterworks Tour ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:41:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: sonicnet (very NJC) Less coffee ya wanker! on 12/13/00 7:09 AM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > hey guys, > sorry to take up bandwidth, but whenever i try to play > the station i created in sonicnet (or any one else's > station, for that matter) it sounds as though the > chipmunks are doing renditions of all the songs. does > anyone know what might make this extra-speedy tempo > situation happen? i am on a computer at work. any > advice would be helpful. > thanks, > alison e. > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:48:28 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Digital Camera (NJC) on 12/13/00 7:35 AM, Happy The Man at cjenkins@austin.rr.com wrote: > Okay any of you photography people (Leslie, Michael, etc.) I budgeted a > digital camera for 2001 and of course I can put it on the company credit > card after today and it will show up on January's bill so. What would you > recommend I have $900 to work with. > > Peace, Craig Hi Craig- The one that I use is a Kodak DC-280. I like it as far what is capable of as far as resolution. My biggest issue with it is, its consumption of batteries. It eats em like crazy. When i bought mine it was about $700. I know they have come WAY down ($280 at Mac Mall right now). UI wish you luck in making a selection and then I wish you patience and unbderstanding when you see your investment reduce by 2/3's in no time at all. With that in mind you will have toms of fun taking pics with your new toy, that will last forever. Paz NP-Starship Trooper-Yes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:59:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: shit! NJC first colin >As is the fact i am unlikely to have my new cards this >side of Xmas >colin and then jan: I guess I'm getting robbed in a progressively kinder manner, which I guess means the world's improving. - -jan colin! how awful! though now you have a good excuse not to do any xmas shopping. jan! i see a pattern there: next time you'll be mugged by the little match girl. wallyK, mugged oh so many many many times by almost everyone in town ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:17:18 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC catman wrote: > dsk wrote: > > > What happened to CONtroversy? > > That's the way I'd say that word. > > Huh? the con part can't be said any other way. Can it? the obnly two ways I know are > contra-versy or con-trov-ersy. Well, let me look at this again. Perhaps I not only talk funny, but I read funny too.... The capital letters in your message [contraVERSY, conTROVersy] made it look like that's the part of the word that is stressed, and my point was only that I stress the first syllable. But everyone does? Even English people??? Phew, I'm so glad to find that out. :-) > > And Lori is definitely a LOWree, truck or not. > > But, then, maybe I talk funny. :-) > > now that is confusing! Do you mean LOWree as in HIGHree? Sounds like someone trying to be posh! Does it? I wasn't trying. It just came naturally. I was trying to describe more of a long o sound rather than an ooh sound, like in blue. I think I'll just say it the way Lori herself does (or at least try to) and what was that... > You know the Irish say feck instead of fuck. Doesn't sound at all rude.. I didn't know that. I would miss the satisfaction of saying that full uuuckkkkk sound. And would also miss shocking the people around me who know that I rarely speak that way (it means I'm really really mad :-). Debra Shea NP: President-elect Dubya on TV speaking and trying to be gracious and express genuine feelings. It's hard for me to pay attention. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:45:17 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: here's hoping (NJC) I don't think we should hope for anybody to get murdered. That's in bad taste. I don't agree with George W. but I don't think he or anybody else should be killed. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:43:41 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: here's hoping (NJC) These people weren't assassinated in these years-- merely those decades. Kennedy was shot in 1963. Reagan wasn't even a president until January of 1981. If that's some sort of omen-- its quite inconsistent. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of jan gyn Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:03 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: here's hoping (NJC) >If the superstitious Zero Factor prevails, Dubya will either die or be >assassinated in office: > >1840: William Henry Harrison. Dies in office of pneumonia. >1860: Abraham Lincoln. Assassinated. >1880: James Garfield. Assassinated. >1900: William McKinley. Assassinated. >1920: Warren G. Harding. Dies of a stroke in office. >1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt. Dies of cerebral hemorrhage. >1960: John F. Kennedy. Assassinated. >1980: Ronald Reagan. Assassination attempt. (the only one to survive the >curse) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:48:49 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Robbed (NJC) Colin- Very sorry to hear about your misfortune. As far as I am concerned, they can have the money (even though its "too tight to mention"), but the damned drivers licence and credit card hassles are too much to bare. Hoping you heal quickly. Michael NP-Chelsea Morning-Joni on my Sonicnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:52:28 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Snow gathers like bolts of lace Some of you in the midwest may not be so appreciative of this post but here goes. It was snowing in downtown Seattle when I was out & about this afternoon. Not enough to accumulate and the wind wasn't blowing much - just enough to look pretty coming down. 'Winter Wonderland' had floated through my head at one point but just as I was heading back to work, I started singing 'Hejira.' Has anyone else ever sung this song while walking through a snowfall? It was divine. What a wonderful, wonderful song to sing on a moody-sky-snow-gathering-like-bolts-of-lace kind of day. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:54:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: here's hoping (NJC) > These people weren't assassinated in these years-- merely those decades. > Kennedy was shot in 1963. Reagan wasn't even a president until January of > 1981. > > If that's some sort of omen-- its quite inconsistent. > > eric I believe she was referring to the years these presidents were elected, not when they took office or met their demise. Mark in Seattle (or should that be demises, all of you Grammar Police out there?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:04:15 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: here's hoping (NJC) That makes much more sense... hehehe.... eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:54 PM To: Eric Wilcox; jan gyn Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: here's hoping (NJC) > These people weren't assassinated in these years-- merely those decades. > Kennedy was shot in 1963. Reagan wasn't even a president until January of > 1981. > > If that's some sort of omen-- its quite inconsistent. > > eric I believe she was referring to the years these presidents were elected, not when they took office or met their demise. Mark in Seattle (or should that be demises, all of you Grammar Police out there?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:18:41 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Saving jm.com I posted this much earlier in the day, but it never showed up. So, here it is again. Apologies if this goes through twice. Megan wrote: << We should all show our gratitude & support in > what ever way we can.This goes for Les too, who also does an unbelievable > job. >> It is expensive and time-consuming to keep these websites going, which is why I continue to fundraise for both these sites. A reminder that there is a fundraiser going on right now. Please take a moment to go to this webpage and check it out: or: The fact is, I have a lot of money tied up in this particular fundraiser, and I need to recoup my money before the proceeds are split between the two sites. If you are interested in one or more of these incredible prints, please order them ASAP! They are really wonderful. If you would like to receive your print before the Holidays, I would need to have your check and order form by Tuesday, December 19th. Thanks! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:59:17 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: sonicnet (very NJC) Alison wrote: > sorry to take up bandwidth, but whenever i try to play > the station i created in sonicnet (or any one else's > station, for that matter) it sounds as though the > chipmunks are doing renditions of all the songs. does > anyone know what might make this extra-speedy tempo > situation happen? i am on a computer at work. any > advice would be helpful. I found a similar site at www.launch.com, which I found a little easier to navigate, to be honest. The sound quality is good, and so far (after 1 1/2 days) I've had five Joni, 2 Buffalo Springfield, 3 CSN, 4 Neil Young, 5 Indigo Girls plus lots of other "similar" artists, ie. artists they consider to be similar. I'm not sure I'd have chosen Abba or The Fugees as similar to any of my choices, but you can rate the artist (eg. zero) and never hear them again! They also have music videos which you can play. Only one Joni (How Do You Stop) but several CSN, Bonnie Raitt, etc. including a few I hadn't seen before. Be warned - video watching is very addictive! Hell P.S. They've even got NZ's own Shona Laing on the site, but no music available yet. You can be sure it was the first thing I put on my "wish-list"! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:00:19 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - December 13 > 1969: Today's issue of Rolling Stone announces that Joni is hanging it up. > An excerpt: > > "Joni Mitchell has announced her public retirement, claiming her > performance schedule has made it impossible to continue a song writing > career and develop her interest in painting. "She hasn't been able to write > since trying to become a super star," [Elliot] Roberts said. "Next fall, > after she gets some more material together, she may want to do some > isolated concerts again, but I doubt it. Performing just isn't what she > wants these days." Thank God she changed her mind, or we wouldn't have MOA or S&L! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:02:35 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC Debra wrote: > What happened to CONtroversy? > That's the way I'd say that word. > > And Lori is definitely a LOWree, truck or not. > But, then, maybe I talk funny. :-) All Americans talk funny - just ask the Kiwis and Aussies on the list! And for the record, I would probably pronounce Lori as Law-ree! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:23:13 -0600 From: evian Subject: dio njc > I actually thought about going tonight to see Ronnie James Dio > LOL, I forgot about Dio! God, "The Last in Line".... how could it have slipped my mind? Another "guilty head-banging pleasure" from those days for me is the Scorpions -- I have GOT to get myself Love at First Bite on cd. How I wish this week was over, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 04:41:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: irregardless/regardless NJC lori, wordy english and diction problems are ACTUALLY a blessing in disguise for non-native speakers. one of my jobs is to teach the TOEFL, test of english as a foreign language. one of its sections includes sentences with four parts underlined. one of the parts contains or is a mistake that students are to identify. now the ETS, the agency that makes the test [and consequently millions of dollars a day all over the world -- the test fee is $ 200!!!] are so unfathomably stupid that they suppose that non-native speakers make the same mistakes as do native speakers [real vs. really, altogether vs. all together, soaring prices have risen, etc.] so they load the sentences with these very obvious mistakes. the test is a joke that takes 20 minutes to learn and master [and i make a lot of money thanks to the ETS]. if i were to create a real test for non-native speakers...well, i'm not about to reveal what it should really test because i want to protect my clients. diction is a piece of cake for non-native speakers. the real problem is idiomatic expressions!!! by the way, for the sake of fun, you committed a diction mistake in your post. can you spot it? wallyK, non-native - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Lori R. Fye Enviado el: Miircoles, 13 de Diciembre de 2000 12:29 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Asunto: Re: irregardless/regardless NJC Jerry wrote: > Newest redundancy making the current rounds: > > Because of the fact that.... I occasionally wonder if people who speak languages other than English find themselves aggravated with their fellow citizens over these same issues. Then I wonder what our butchered English sounds like to visiting foreigners who are trying to understand what the hell we're talking about. What would our crappy diction and redundant speech sound like if translated into another tongue? ===== Lori in DC http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=jmdlnet http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=lrfye http://www.art101.com/flame/taxfree.htm (not my own, but very cool) Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. 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